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Douglas Newlands

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Mar 30, 2012, 9:28:17 PM3/30/12
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Since Andrew's note commenting on the decline of r.g.b, there seems
to be no traffic. Have we all gone to BBO or what?

doug

Travis Crump

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Mar 30, 2012, 9:50:56 PM3/30/12
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I think it is some sort of problem with eternal-september's servers.
Google groups is showing new posts for rgb. I was going to give it
another couple of days before I really started worrying. Didn't want to
say anything because a) wouldn't be able to see replies without using
google which I don't find usable and b) didn't want to listen to the
snark about why everyone should use google.

I suppose its also possible that the problem is on google's end not
propagating posts to usenet proper, but Occam's razor suggests it is on
eternal-september's end.

Travis

Travis Crump

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Mar 30, 2012, 9:54:15 PM3/30/12
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FWIW, both these posts have shown up on google groups. Apologies to
everyone else. :)

Travis

Wes Powers

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Mar 30, 2012, 10:31:05 PM3/30/12
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They've both shown up on eternal-september, too. :-)

Will in New Haven

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Mar 30, 2012, 10:44:07 PM3/30/12
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Have they? I have both and I haven't seen them.

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Will in New Haven

Barry Margolin

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Mar 30, 2012, 11:49:34 PM3/30/12
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In article <jl5nu3$96c$1...@dont-email.me>,
Travis Crump <pret...@techhouse.org> wrote:

> I suppose its also possible that the problem is on google's end not
> propagating posts to usenet proper, but Occam's razor suggests it is on
> eternal-september's end.

Someone was complaining in another group I read that posts haven't been
propagating from GG.

And since GG has had many problems with Usenet over the years, I think
Occam's Razor suggests exactly the opposite conclusion.

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Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

Eric Leong

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Mar 31, 2012, 12:19:53 AM3/31/12
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On Mar 30, 6:28 pm, Douglas Newlands <douglas.newla...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Since Andrew's note commenting on the decline of r.g.b, there seems
> to be no traffic. Have we all gone to BBO or what?
>
> doug

No it is the end of the beginning.

Eric Leong

Travis Crump

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Mar 31, 2012, 12:20:26 AM3/31/12
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Well, we just need someone who uses neither GG nor eternal-september to
speak up and we'll know who is at fault. There do seem to be a few
regular posters that fall in this category.

Jürgen R.

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Mar 31, 2012, 3:23:00 AM3/31/12
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"Travis Crump" <pret...@techhouse.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:jl60mb$dqe$1...@dont-email.me...
Neither google groups nor eternal-september is the sole culprit.

The service I use is Arcor and I have noticed that both messages sent and
messages received are incomplete.

There is a propagation glitch somewhere.

John Hall

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Mar 31, 2012, 6:19:34 AM3/31/12
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In article <jl60mb$dqe$1...@dont-email.me>,
Travis Crump <pret...@techhouse.org> writes:
>Well, we just need someone who uses neither GG nor eternal-september to
>speak up and we'll know who is at fault. There do seem to be a few
>regular posters that fall in this category.

That would be me. I too am seeing a big reduction in traffic, so it
looks like it's a Google problem.
--
John Hall
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw

HoneyMonster

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Mar 31, 2012, 2:21:14 PM3/31/12
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On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 00:20:26 -0400, Travis Crump wrote:

> Well, we just need someone who uses neither GG nor eternal-september to
> speak up and we'll know who is at fault. There do seem to be a few
> regular posters that fall in this category.

I am one.

Thomas Dehn

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Mar 31, 2012, 2:31:10 PM3/31/12
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In another newsgroup, the postings my wife makes (via Google groups)
are no longer getting through to my news server. Last one that made it
out of there is from early March 26.


Thomas

Herb

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Mar 31, 2012, 3:11:35 PM3/31/12
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I use only Easynews. This thread ("is this the end") is the only one
appearing since 7:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time on Thursday.

- Herb

Peter Smulders

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Apr 1, 2012, 4:33:32 AM4/1/12
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On 31-3-2012 9:23, Jürgen R. wrote:
>
> Neither google groups nor eternal-september is the sole culprit.
>
> The service I use is Arcor and I have noticed that both messages sent and
> messages received are incomplete.
>
> There is a propagation glitch somewhere.

Agreed. I was also out of r.g.b. news for a few days and I use
news.ziggo.nl, my provider, who as far as I am aware is not associated
with Goofle.

John Crinnion

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Apr 1, 2012, 9:52:30 AM4/1/12
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On Mar 31, 2:50 am, Travis Crump <pretz...@techhouse.org> wrote:
> On 03/30/2012 09:28 PM, Douglas Newlands wrote:
>
> > Since Andrew's note commenting on the decline of r.g.b, there seems
> > to be no traffic. Have we all gone to BBO or what?
>
> > doug
>
> I think it is some sort of problem with eternal-september's servers.
> Google groups is showing new posts for rgb.  I was going to give it
> another couple of days before I really started worrying.  Didn't want to
> say anything because a) wouldn't be able to see replies without using
> google which I don't find usable and b) didn't want to listen to the
> snark about why everyone should use google.

Over 10 years ago, Google bought up Usenet. NGs as such are a
throwback to the days when one could account for every byte on one's
hard disk. They are so out of style they are coming full circle as
retro, like that very early game of video 'tennis' which could be
plugged into an ordinary TV set.

ttw...@att.net

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Apr 1, 2012, 3:57:37 PM4/1/12
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Everything has an end except a sausage, which has two.

David Stevenson

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Apr 1, 2012, 7:28:57 PM4/1/12
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Travis Crump wrote
I certainly don't use Google <spit> Groups and I have never heard of
interminable Octember, so there!

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HoneyMonster

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Apr 1, 2012, 9:01:01 PM4/1/12
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On Mon, 02 Apr 2012 00:28:57 +0100, David Stevenson wrote:

> Travis Crump wrote
>>On 03/30/2012 11:49 PM, Barry Margolin wrote:
>>> In article <jl5nu3$96c$1...@dont-email.me>,
>>> Travis Crump <pret...@techhouse.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suppose its also possible that the problem is on google's end not
>>>> propagating posts to usenet proper, but Occam's razor suggests it is
>>>> on eternal-september's end.
>>>
>>> Someone was complaining in another group I read that posts haven't
>>> been propagating from GG.
>>>
>>> And since GG has had many problems with Usenet over the years, I think
>>> Occam's Razor suggests exactly the opposite conclusion.
>>>
>>>
>>Well, we just need someone who uses neither GG nor eternal-september to
>>speak up and we'll know who is at fault. There do seem to be a few
>>regular posters that fall in this category.
>
> I certainly don't use Google <spit> Groups and I have never heard of
> interminable Octember, so there!

+1

John Hall

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Apr 2, 2012, 4:53:35 PM4/2/12
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In article <KWkzzaD2otdPFw$s...@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>,
John Hall <nospam...@jhall.co.uk> writes:
>In article <jl60mb$dqe$1...@dont-email.me>,
> Travis Crump <pret...@techhouse.org> writes:
>>Well, we just need someone who uses neither GG nor eternal-september to
>>speak up and we'll know who is at fault. There do seem to be a few
>>regular posters that fall in this category.
>
>That would be me. I too am seeing a big reduction in traffic, so it
>looks like it's a Google problem.

It seems that the plug has now been pulled, and the backlog of the last
five days or so of posts made via Google have escaped to the outside
world.

HoneyMonster

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Apr 2, 2012, 8:06:36 PM4/2/12
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On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 06:52:30 -0700, John Crinnion wrote:

> Over 10 years ago, Google bought up Usenet.

Nonsense. They bought Deja News, which is not the same thing at all.

Barry Margolin

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Apr 2, 2012, 10:23:27 PM4/2/12
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In article <jldeuc$gng$2...@news.albasani.net>,
Right. No one can "buy Usenet", any more than someone could buy the
Internet. Usenet is just a bunch of independent service providers all
informally agreeing to distribute these messages to each other.

Deja News was a Usenet archive and search engine, and for a while that's
all that Google Groups was. Then they added the ability to post from
the web interface.
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