Unusual 3NT
Frisbieinstein
having 3NT forcing partner to cue bid. Needless to say this would
discourage preempts. It would be useful for those big hands that
need little or no trump support, only specific controls, and can go to
the five level opposite almost nothing.
To be more specific, I'd have responder bid his cheapest first-round
control, 4NT with none. Opener then relays for more first-round
controls, bids 4NT for 2nd round, or bids anything else to play.
This can be used opposite the big hands posted to the group recently.
First is a Charles Goren 6S opener.
62
AK743
53
A952
KQJ10975
-
AKQJ64
-
3N 4C
4D 4H
4S 4NT
6S
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A two-suiter that partner was dealt recently.
AKQJT3
AQJ975
-
K
3NT 4NT
5H
What churl would not raise with the heart king?
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From a club game.
6
86
KQJ73
AK432
AQJ10875
AKQ4
7
C
South deals
Might be better to open 1S, because with 3NT we cannot stop short of
5S.
1S 2D
3NT 4C
4D 4NT
?
Partner would have bid 5D with the diamond ace so we have first-round
clubs but not diamonds.
5S, hoping for a raise with the king.
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Australian National Teams Event
East deals.
xxxxx
x
KQxxxx
x
x K10
Jx Kx
10xx AJxx
AKJ10xxx Qxxxx
AQJ9x
AQ10xxxxx
-
-
1C(1) 3NT 5C P
P 5H
Partner raises with the king. Not bad.
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An 8-5 I was dealt recently.
643
Q8
A73
AQT96
2 5
J964 AKT7532
K86 T9
J8543 K72
AKQJT987
-
QJ542
-
North deals.
1C 2H 3NT 4H
5C 5H ?
Hmm. We are still guessing and not much better off, but no worse.
1C 2H 2S 4H
P P 5D P
6D P 6S
Natural wins this time.
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it seems like a useful tool in the right situation. I think it would
win over Gambling 3NT.
PriorKnowledge
I use 3N = 4m preemptive hand which frees up 4m opening for Namyats
(as part of transfer preempts).
Dave Flower
I think that there is a problem here - if responder shows a first
round control in opener's prospective trump suit, it matters to opener
whether it is the ace or a void. Responder's void is likely to lie
opposite declarer's long suit.
K Q J 10 x x x x
A K Q J
A
void
3NT pass 4S pass
?
Dave Flower
John Hall
<43356bef-9e5a-41c7...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Frisbieinstein <patmp...@gmail.com> writes:
>The Gambling 3NT opener has never been a big winner for me. How about
>having 3NT forcing partner to cue bid. Needless to say this would
>discourage preempts. It would be useful for those big hands that
>need little or no trump support, only specific controls, and can go to
>the five level opposite almost nothing.
>
>To be more specific, I'd have responder bid his cheapest first-round
>control, 4NT with none. Opener then relays for more first-round
>controls, bids 4NT for 2nd round, or bids anything else to play.
You can do this with traditional methods. After 2C, if opener then makes
a jump rebid in a suit it sets that suit as trumps and asks responder to
cue-bid. It works well if the bidding proceeds such that opener's rebid
is at the three level, but is less economical than your suggestion idf
the rebid has to be at the four level.
If all you need to know is if partner has one specific Ace, then you can
open 4NT. Then a response of 5C denies an Ace, any other suit response
shows the Ace of that suit, and 5NT shows two Aces.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"
Lorne
news:43356bef-9e5a-41c7...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> The Gambling 3NT opener has never been a big winner for me. How about
> having 3NT forcing partner to cue bid. Needless to say this would
> discourage preempts. It would be useful for those big hands that
> need little or no trump support, only specific controls, and can go to
> the five level opposite almost nothing.
>
> To be more specific, I'd have responder bid his cheapest first-round
> control, 4NT with none. Opener then relays for more first-round
> controls, bids 4NT for 2nd round, or bids anything else to play.
>
> This can be used opposite the big hands posted to the group recently.
> First is a Charles Goren 6S opener.
>
> 62
> AK743
> 53
> A952
>
> KQJ10975
> -
> AKQJ64
> -
>
> 3N 4C
> 4D 4H
> 4S 4NT
> 6S
>
Why waste 3N on something that will come up once every 5 years and can
usually be dealt with by opening 4N.
If you do not think a gambling 3N is value for money then use 3N as a 4
level minor pre-empt and release 4C/D to show a solid suit 4H/S opening or a
1 loser suit with an outside ace. That releases 4H/S for weaker openings
and reduces the chance that partner will make a slam try at the wrong
moment.
Fred.
I think there are two reasonable uses for 3NT that will come up more
often than this. One, used by Kaplan, is the HCP for 2NT, but with a
solid minor as a source of added tricks, and the other, used by
Schenken, is a solid minor with an A, K, or Q in each of the side
suits. Both approaches deal with problem hands where 3NT has a
reasonable prospect, and are sufficiently well defined that continuing
to slam is a possibility.
Fred.
Will in New Haven
Howard Schenken created an elegant 2D opener that handled the rare
hands you are discussing perfectly. I don't remember what they were
but he included methods for handling competition. I remember going
five years, back when I was playing a lot more, looking for hands
where I would have liked to use that convention. None ever came up. We
weren't playing that convention but it was clear that doing so would
have meant never opening 2D for five years. Even the solution where
there isn't a problem, Flannery 2D, comes up more often than that.
Even the specific 4522 with no interference and partner rsponds 1NT
hand, where one would have to lie about a rebid, comes up more often
than that. So giving up some other use for 2D and using the Schenken
version would not seem to be worthwhile.
Using the 3NT opening seems less wasteful but it runs into the problem
that you will be bidding a very good hand at a very high level. It is
possible you will run out of room. Opening 2C and jumping in your long
suit, which is a fairly standard way of setting the trump suit and
demanding cue-bids, would seem to be just as good or better.
However, your methods just about assure that neither partner will
_ever_ open 3NT. That seems a worthy goal.
--
Will in New Haven
LowerLine
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It is better to switch those. Keep 4m as a natural preempt and use 3NT
to show a Namyats.
Steven