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clamz
Nov 12, 2011, 9:00:17 AM11/12/11
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Perhaps as a bad habit left from bidding a short club opening, playing
social contract bridge in past years, my partner and I (novice players -
about a year into duplicate) still use a one diamond response over a one
club opening as a holding bid - no indication of point nor suit count.
Having been slaughtered when stuck in a one club contract with a shortage of
clubs, we find it better / preferable to play 1 NT vs 1C even when the
partner has as low as no points. If the responder has clubs and/or diamonds
with a 6+ point count, we play a response can be made at 2C / 2D following
the opener's 1NT reply depending on the hand. We've only gotten into trouble
once using this technique where my partner had a balanced 18 HC point hand
and jump shifted from my 1D bust hand into 2NT. More commonly, we've
succeeded at 1NT vs. a 1C contract.
Since I'm not finding any reference to this approach, I'm now wondering if
bidding one diamond under these circumstances needs to be an alertable bid.
And if so, is there a name for such a bid and should the alert be that the 1
club is forcing even though we do abide by a minimum 3-club holding (no
longer play short club) or is the alert provided following the 1D (holding)
response? It's essentially a response to a one club forcing bid, but there
seems to be much more to a traditional 1C forcing convention.
social contract bridge in past years, my partner and I (novice players -
about a year into duplicate) still use a one diamond response over a one
club opening as a holding bid - no indication of point nor suit count.
Having been slaughtered when stuck in a one club contract with a shortage of
clubs, we find it better / preferable to play 1 NT vs 1C even when the
partner has as low as no points. If the responder has clubs and/or diamonds
with a 6+ point count, we play a response can be made at 2C / 2D following
the opener's 1NT reply depending on the hand. We've only gotten into trouble
once using this technique where my partner had a balanced 18 HC point hand
and jump shifted from my 1D bust hand into 2NT. More commonly, we've
succeeded at 1NT vs. a 1C contract.
Since I'm not finding any reference to this approach, I'm now wondering if
bidding one diamond under these circumstances needs to be an alertable bid.
And if so, is there a name for such a bid and should the alert be that the 1
club is forcing even though we do abide by a minimum 3-club holding (no
longer play short club) or is the alert provided following the 1D (holding)
response? It's essentially a response to a one club forcing bid, but there
seems to be much more to a traditional 1C forcing convention.
Andrew
Nov 12, 2011, 11:51:25 AM11/12/11
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can explain 1D is usually natural, but can have less than 4 diamonds
or as little as zero points.
Co Wiersma
Nov 12, 2011, 12:33:41 PM11/12/11
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Op 12-11-2011 15:00, clamz schreef:
Several Dutch top players do use a system called "Dutch Dubbelton" in
where 1C-1D-1NT promise 18-19 points or so
Obvious this is a very complicated system
For mere mortals its imho much simpler to play "better minor" or
"convenient minor"
where 1C-1D-1NT promise 18-19 points or so
Obvious this is a very complicated system
For mere mortals its imho much simpler to play "better minor" or
"convenient minor"
Bertel Lund Hansen
Nov 12, 2011, 12:58:49 PM11/12/11
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clamz skrev:
> Perhaps as a bad habit left from bidding a short club opening, playing
> social contract bridge in past years, my partner and I (novice players -
> about a year into duplicate) still use a one diamond response over a one
> club opening as a holding bid - no indication of point nor suit count.
Then 1D must be alerted.
> Since I'm not finding any reference to this approach, I'm now wondering if
> bidding one diamond under these circumstances needs to be an alertable bid.
Yes.
> And if so, is there a name for such a bid and should the alert be that the 1
> club is forcing even though we do abide by a minimum 3-club holding (no
> longer play short club)
I don't understand this entirely. If you promise at least three
clubs and opening strength with a 1C opening, then it is
considered natural and need not be alerted - under European
rules.
--
Bertel, Denmark
http://bridge.lundhansen.dk/
> Perhaps as a bad habit left from bidding a short club opening, playing
> social contract bridge in past years, my partner and I (novice players -
> about a year into duplicate) still use a one diamond response over a one
> club opening as a holding bid - no indication of point nor suit count.
> Since I'm not finding any reference to this approach, I'm now wondering if
> bidding one diamond under these circumstances needs to be an alertable bid.
> And if so, is there a name for such a bid and should the alert be that the 1
> club is forcing even though we do abide by a minimum 3-club holding (no
> longer play short club)
clubs and opening strength with a 1C opening, then it is
considered natural and need not be alerted - under European
rules.
--
Bertel, Denmark
http://bridge.lundhansen.dk/
Co Wiersma
Nov 12, 2011, 1:27:18 PM11/12/11
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Op 12-11-2011 18:58, Bertel Lund Hansen schreef:
oops, I missed that part
seems to me it dont make sense to still play 1C as forcing, does it?
seems to me it dont make sense to still play 1C as forcing, does it?
David Goldfarb
Nov 12, 2011, 6:57:17 PM11/12/11
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In article <j9lu5i$gno$1...@dont-email.me>, clamz <cl...@drunkinclam.com> wrote:
>Perhaps as a bad habit left from bidding a short club opening, playing
>social contract bridge in past years, my partner and I (novice players -
>about a year into duplicate) still use a one diamond response over a one
>club opening as a holding bid - no indication of point nor suit count.
Make your 1C opening forcing, and give it some strong options, and
>Perhaps as a bad habit left from bidding a short club opening, playing
>social contract bridge in past years, my partner and I (novice players -
>about a year into duplicate) still use a one diamond response over a one
>club opening as a holding bid - no indication of point nor suit count.
suddenly you're playing Polish Club.
--
David Goldfarb |"Backward, turn backward, O time in your flight!
goldf...@gmail.com | I've thought of a comeback I needed last night."
gold...@ocf.berkeley.edu | -- Dorothy Parker
dak...@aol.com
Nov 13, 2011, 2:47:39 PM11/13/11
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Play 1C forcing only its 1C natural. What a concept.
Eric Leong
Nov 13, 2011, 3:16:33 PM11/13/11
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On Nov 12, 6:00 am, "clamz" <cl...@drunkinclam.com> wrote:
is just a matter of good sportsmanship to alert the opponents if they
just might misunderstand the 1D response and do something silly.
Eric Leong
Andrew
Nov 13, 2011, 5:15:06 PM11/13/11
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On Nov 12, 6:00 am, "clamz" <cl...@drunkinclam.com> wrote:
review the alert regulations.
http://www.acbl.org/play/alert.html
A.
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