how do you pronounce Jacoby?
Cheryl Merck
game, and I am also trying to learn backgammon. I noticed that Oswald
Jacoby is an important figure in both games (Jacoby transfers and the Jacoby
rule in backgammon). Will someone please tell me the correct pronunciation
of his name so that I don't look like a total idiot when talking to other
bridge or backgammon players? Is it juh-KOH-bee, or JACK-uh-bee, or
JAKE-uh-bee? I know of three different people with the name Jacoby, who
each use a different one of these pronunciations.
Thanks,
Jackson Merck
ewleo...@hotmail.com
How about JA - KO - BEE?
Eric Leong
Cheryl Merck
<ewleo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Whew, what a relief. I was worried that by posting this question I might be
wasting readers' time, but since you took the extra time to respond to me,
my post is validated. Thank you for the clarification.
anon
It is, using your phonetics, juh-KOH-bee.
Lorne
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JACKO-BEE
John Crinnion
> Sorry if this is a stupid question,
Cheryl, your question is by no means stupid.
> but I am an absolute beginner at this
> game, and I am also trying to learn backgammon. I noticed that Oswald
> Jacoby is an important figure in both games (Jacoby transfers and the Jacoby
> rule in backgammon).
Yes, and he is/was also an important figure in poker theory. I think
Oswald Jacoby was the first to make a serious, large-scale, tabulated
study of poker odds as determined by probability theory.
Bridge, poker, backgammon - all games of risk management, all based on
- but of course more than - the scientific study (or intuitive
awarenesss) of percentages.
Not simply risk management decisions: risk management decisions that
mainly have to be taken *on the fly*. Especially so in bridge, what
with the requrement to bid and play in tempo.
> Will someone please tell me the correct pronunciation
> of his name so that I don't look like a total idiot when talking to other
> bridge or backgammon players? Is it juh-KOH-bee,
> or JACK-uh-bee,
JACK-uh-bee is correct. You can defend this pronunciation against
anyone by insisting that this is how the man himself pronounced it.
juh-KOH-bee is plain wrong. It is the sound of a mid-westerner taking
a stab at it. Or someone who should know better going along with it.
or
> JAKE-uh-bee?
Another wrong guess, though it might gain half a point for recognising
the allusion to Jacob.
> I know of three different people with the name Jacoby, who
> each use a different one of these pronunciations.
Back in the old country, their ancestors would all have said: YAH-kuh-
bee
> Thanks,
> Jackson Merck
David Stevenson
I pronounce it JAH - coh - bee. But I am not American, and Jacoby is.
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N. Silver
> Is it juh-KOH-bee,...
Yes, it is. Like you were
talking to a Lakers player
and asking: Did "ja Kobe"?
John Crinnion
> Jackson Merck wrote:
> > Is it juh-KOH-bee,...
> Yes, it is.
No, and always correct anyone you hear using that redneck
pronunciation.
Especially if he is the kind of person who would eventhink of talking
to a Lakers player.
ted
Since it is their family name they get to choose how to pronounce it
and to call it wrong is simply wrong-headed. BTW they were from Texas
and they did pronounce it juh-KO-bee ;-p
ted
> On 29 Jul, 13:43, "N. Silver" <math...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > Jackson Merck wrote:
> > > Is it juh-KOH-bee,...
> > Yes, it is.
>
> No, and always correct anyone you hear using that redneck
> pronunciation.
I missed the announcement. Who made you God of the English language?
By the way I need to see your license ;-p
Kenny McCormack
ted <morr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
...
>Since it is their family name they get to choose how to pronounce it
>and to call it wrong is simply wrong-headed. BTW they were from Texas
>and they did pronounce it juh-KO-bee ;-p
FWIW, Wikipedia says he was born in Brooklyn.
(Feel free to engage in the usual Usenet bash about how unreliable
Wikipedia is, blah, blah, blah)
Actually, it makes for an interesting discussion to ask whether how the
"originator" of something (note choice of word) pronounces (or pronounced)
something is always the final word. Counterexamples exist.
ted
wrote:
> In article <1185724525.390014.219...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,ted <morris...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >Since it is their family name they get to choose how to pronounce it
> >and to call it wrong is simply wrong-headed. BTW they were from Texas
> >and they did pronounce it juh-KO-bee ;-p
>
> FWIW, Wikipedia says he was born in Brooklyn.
> (Feel free to engage in the usual Usenet bash about how unreliable
> Wikipedia is, blah, blah, blah)
>
> Actually, it makes for an interesting discussion to ask whether how the
> "originator" of something (note choice of word) pronounces (or pronounced)
> something is always the final word. Counterexamples exist.
So it is okay to call you k'NEE mack OR mack? BTW I'm sure Oswald no
longer cares how you pronounce it but his descendants might ;-)
Kenny McCormack
Whatever.
But answer this: How do you pronounce the name of the French president
Charles de Gaulle?
Charles Brenner
> JACK-uh-bee is correct. You can defend this pronunciation against
> anyone by insisting that this is how the man himself pronounced it.
One can insist anything. I met Oswald Jacoby a couple of times, but
admit I don't recall him pronouncing his own name. However, I'm sure
I've heard several of the other Aces who knew and played with the son
Jim Jacoby pronounce it, and they always said juh-KOH-bee. This is the
pronunciation I've heard for Oswald's name 100 to 0 among American
bridge players. It's remarkable if you have a significantly different
experience.
JACK-uh-bee sounds French. Was there some Jacobian political movement?
Then there was the mathematician Jacobi but he was German.
Charles
Derek Broughton
The were Jacobins (French) and Jacobites/Jacobeans (Scottish). Both
pronounced with the emphasis on Jack.
--
derek
ted
wrote:
> In article <1185726241.643987.207...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
SHArl de GALL (lots and lots of Gall ;-) )
John Crinnion
wrote:
> In article <1185726241.643987.207...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
You changed the subject line to "the final word on
pronOUnciation"???!!!
N. Silver
Hospital (in the Bronx) and Jacoby & Meyers (law
offices around the USA) pronounce it.
Give us a little credit. We are familiar with the other
pronunciation.
When I received a gift certificate for Amazon.com
UK, it surprised me no end that when I searched
for an item, the spelling had to be exactly correct.
There were no hints like in the American version.
So, it was brought home to me how much better
educated in spelling (at least), the majority of their
shoppers were. However, that doesn't mean we do
not understand anything, especially concerning the
pronunciation of a name of one of our own.
anon
<jcri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 29 Jul, 04:44, "Cheryl Merck" <ci...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> Sorry if this is a stupid question,
>
>Cheryl, your question is by no means stupid.
But John Crinnion's response to it qualifies as such.
>
>JACK-uh-bee is correct. You can defend this pronunciation against
>anyone by insisting that this is how the man himself pronounced it.
Except for the simple fact that you are wrong, of course.
>juh-KOH-bee is plain wrong. It is the sound of a mid-westerner taking
>a stab at it. Or someone who should know better going along with it.
It is how the man pronounced it, himself. If you don't believe me,
you might ask his son, Jim Jacoby, a player of some reputation
dirctly.
>Back in the old country, their ancestors would all have said: YAH-kuh-
>bee
My load. Will wonders never cease. This Crinnion feller actually got
one right.
anon
wrote:
>On Jul 29, 8:11 am, John Crinnion <jcrinn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 29 Jul, 13:43, "N. Silver" <math...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Jackson Merck wrote:
>> > > Is it juh-KOH-bee,...
>> > Yes, it is.
>>
>> No, and always correct anyone you hear using that redneck
>> pronunciation.
>
>
>I missed the announcement. Who made you God of the English language?
>By the way I need to see your license ;-p
Crinnion is just a moron. God gives you permission to ignore him.
Mark Brader
According to the Official Encyclopedia of Bridge, Jim died in 1991.
I don't know if he had children.
--
Mark Brader "A moment's thought would have shown him,
Toronto but a moment is a long time and thought
m...@vex.net is a painful process." -- A. E. Housman
Fluxman
> John Crinnion wrote ...
<snipped>
>>juh-KOH-bee is plain wrong. It is the sound of a mid-westerner taking
>>a stab at it. Or someone who should know better going along with it.
>
> It is how the man pronounced it, himself. If you don't believe me,
> you might ask his son, Jim Jacoby, a player of some reputation
> dirctly.
That will be difficult to say the least.
<snipped>
Mmbridge
Charles Brenner
Thanks. I learned something.
Charles
anon
Bill Jacobs
@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
Great thread, and poor old Cheryl/Jackson is none the wiser. Nor am I.
But it's good to see that even the most harmless question eventually
generates a "Joe Bloggs is a moron" comment. It restores my faith.
Anyway, just for interest, how do you pronounce the hospital and law firm?
Cheers ... Bill.
John Crinnion
> His name has always been pronounced the way Jacoby
> Hospital (in the Bronx) and Jacoby & Meyers (law
> offices around the USA) pronounce it.
>
> Give us a little credit. We are familiar with the other
> pronunciation.
>
> When I received a gift certificate for Amazon.com
> UK,
That would be amazon.co.uk
> it surprised me no end that when I searched
> for an item, the spelling had to be exactly correct.
> There were no hints like in the American version.
> So, it was brought home to me how much better
> educated in spelling (at least), the majority of their
> shoppers were.
Well, yes, and I often think if forums like this consisted of live
talk how much time one would spend correcting people's pronunciation.
I would run myself into a nervous breakdown (left it too late for an
early grave).
Cheryl Merck
"Bill Jacobs" <bill....@quest.com> wrote in message
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>
> Anyway, just for interest, how do you pronounce the hospital and law firm?
>
> Cheers ... Bill.
juh-KOH-by
Derek Broughton
> "N. Silver" <mat...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in news:bdbri.9730$ax1.5436
> @bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>> His name has always been pronounced the way Jacoby
>> Hospital (in the Bronx) and Jacoby & Meyers (law
>> offices around the USA) pronounce it.
>
> Great thread, and poor old Cheryl/Jackson is none the wiser. Nor am I.
> But it's good to see that even the most harmless question eventually
> generates a "Joe Bloggs is a moron" comment. It restores my faith.
>
> Anyway, just for interest, how do you pronounce the hospital and law firm?
LOL. I didn't dare ask :-)
--
derek
anon
<jcri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> (left it too late for an
> early grave).
Pity, that.
John Crinnion
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:45:54 -0700, John Crinnion
> <jcrinn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > (left it too late for an
> > early grave).
> Pity, that.
Ah, I remember you. You're one who couldn't get your head around the
non-bridge, dictionary meaning of 'pre-empt'.
You need to grow up.
anon
Ah, I remember you. You are the one that thinks loss of life is not
sacrificial.
>You need to grow up.
Surely you jest.
Will in New Haven
When he was standing in the halls of the hotel in New York where they
held the big regional in the spring, he answered to the name ja-ko-bee
with the second syllable stressed and pronounced as in codependant. He
never corrected anyone for saying it that way. I didn't know him very
well but my brother talked to him for quite awhile a couple of times
(about very odd mathematical concepts that I would not follow if I
could) and I will ask him if Mr. Jacoby ever mentioned that all those
people were wrong.
Will in New Haven
--
Gordon Rainsford
> he answered to the name ja-ko-bee
> with the second syllable stressed and pronounced as in codependant
I'm puzzled by this: the way I know it, the second syllable of
codependent is not stressed.
--
Gordon Rainsford
London UK
Georgiana Gates
ja-KO-be (although the stress isn't that pronounced).
Barry Margolin
grbridgeR...@btinternet.com (Gordon Rainsford) wrote:
> Will in New Haven <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
> > he answered to the name ja-ko-bee
> > with the second syllable stressed and pronounced as in codependant
>
> I'm puzzled by this: the way I know it, the second syllable of
> codependent is not stressed.
I think he meant that the second syllable of jacoby is pronounced like
the first syllable of codependent, i.e. it rhymes with Joe.
--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
Charles Brenner
> In article <1i2i3i9.f7p15yu7i0ldN%grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com>,
> grbridgeREMOVET...@btinternet.com (Gordon Rainsford) wrote:
>
> > Will in New Haven <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote:
>
> > > he answered to the name ja-ko-bee
> > > with the second syllable stressed and pronounced as in codependant
>
> > I'm puzzled by this: the way I know it, the second syllable of
> > codependent is not stressed.
>
> I think he meant that the second syllable of jacoby is pronounced like
> the first syllable of codependent, i.e. it rhymes with Joe.
I think the whole issue needs to be referred to the comma authorities.
Charles