Your call please?

[André Steffens]

Your hand,being West, South deals,all green:
86
986
KJ9532
J3

The auction
1C 3D pass 3H
4C ???

1C was 11-19 3+ clubs
4C: clubs powerhouse
Had South passed then the auction would have been forcing.
What calls do you seriously consider? What call do you make?

[Charles Brenner]

Mainly I consider 2D the round before. Aside from that pass and 4H are
plausible here. Pass is a safe answer to a paper question; probably
partner will double and I will claim credit for a followup pass or 4H,
whichever wins.

Charles

[David Goldfarb]

In article <c8b143dc-7eb6-4239...@googlegroups.com>,

I consider 4H and pass. I choose pass because of my lack of shape
and poor quality of my long suit. (For that matter, I would have bid
2D rather than 3D earlier.)

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[David Stevenson]

André Steffens wrote

I consider pass, 4H, and choose 4H.

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[vsp...@hotmail.com]

PASS. You were lucky they didn't punish your
3D call. Leave well enough alone.

[Co Wiersma]

Op 8-11-2012 18:23, vsp...@hotmail.com schreef:

If 3H was forcing as is stated, then you can leave well alone, but well
will not leave you alone. Partner will likely make another bid.

I wonder if your pass would not even be forcing.

Co Wiersma

[Stu Goodgold]

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 1:18:55 PM UTC-8, André Steffens wrote:

I would consider Pass and 4H like all the other responders. I am tempted to bid 4H but will Pass solely because I expect we have no defense to 5C and showing hearts might goad N/S to go on. I am fine with them playing 4C though.

-Stu Goodgold
San Jose, CA

[HoneyMonster]

I don't know what that last sentence means, but if 3H was forcing, then
after RHO's intervention over it, your pass must be forcing.

By the way, 3D was dreadful IMHO.

[Eric Leong]

On Nov 7, 1:18 pm, André Steffens <andre.steff...@hccnet.nl> wrote:

PASS. You got the opponents to climb out on a limb and now you don't
want to throw them a life preserver.

Eric Leong

[mc110...@gmail.com]

Of course, this isn't a reason not to pass. It just means that if you pass, you better sit for partner's double, since he may bid slam if you pull it.

Christopher Monsour

[judyo...@gmail.com]

Under what principle does the forcing quality of 3H make pass forcing???

Carl

[bhmwe...@gmail.com]

Den torsdagen den 8:e november 2012 kl. 22:29:46 UTC+1 skrev HoneyMonster:
> I don't know what that last sentence means, but if 3H was forcing, then
>
> after RHO's intervention over it, your pass must be forcing.

Assume the following bidding:

Partner opens 1 NT.
You bid 2C, which is Stayman, and of course, forcing.
Opponents interfere, and your partner pass.

Of course you are perfectly allowed to pass!

So, partner's pass is not forcing, except if there is a gameforcing situation.

[goff...@gmail.com]

If it was forcing, then why would you even want to pass now?
You have a 100% clear call of 4H.
I can't even think of a close second.

[Steve Willner]

>>>> 1C 3D pass 3H
>>>> 4C ???

On 2012-11-09 10:52 AM, judyo...@verizon.net wrote:
> Under what principle does the forcing quality of 3H make pass forcing???

I had the same thought, but on consideration I think it is forcing.
After 3H, we were committed to either 3NT or at least 4D, and I don't
think opener's 4C changes that. We would surely want to double if
intervenor had been about to bid 3NT, and if not we can either double or
just bid the 4D or above we were going to bid anyway.

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[Steve Willner]

On 2012-11-13 5:54 AM, bhmwe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Partner opens 1 NT.
> You bid 2C, which is Stayman, and of course, forcing.
> Opponents interfere, and your partner pass.
>
> Of course you are perfectly allowed to pass!

This is a different situation. After Stayman, you were committed to bid
only as high as 2D. No reason for pass to be forcing if opponents bid
higher than that.

[vsp...@hotmail.com]

>
> Of course, this isn't a reason not to pass. It just means that if you pass, you better sit for partner's double, since he may bid slam if you pull it.
>
>
>
> Christopher Monsour

Your hand,being West, South deals,all green:
86
986
KJ9532
J3

I don't think West has a 3D call. I wouldn't
even bother interfering with 2D. If the crummy
suit were a major, then maybe two of that major.

If East could make game opposite this trash,
he could bid again on his next turn.

[Martin]

> Your hand,being West, South deals,all green:
> 86
> 986
> KJ9532
> J3
>
> I don't think West has a 3D call. I wouldn't
> even bother interfering with 2D. If the crummy
> suit were a major, then maybe two of that major.
>
> If East could make game opposite this trash,
> he could bid again on his next turn.

Looks a totally routine 3 level NV preempt to me.

More importantly I think we have to assume it looks that way to this
partnership too and the 3H bidder will have appropriate values :)
There's plenty of room for partner to be very strong as 4C could easily
be mainly based on very long clubs.

4H seems very normal to me here. You were bidding it happily before the
4C bid came in so no reason not to now. I think I'd be raising even a
non forcing 3H bid here - I've got roughly the expected values for 3D
and about 1.5 extra trumps for partner.

If the partnership hadn't discussed their expected values for preempts
and had an accident in consequence then that is of course what they need
to sort out.
--
MartinCarpenter

[dake50]

Yeah, if opponents bid 4C as we've just bid 3D, it's clear to 4H.
Partner is the one actor here that has up-going values and they
must be hefty if he expects this 3D preempt. Not even leaving
the chance 4C-X is the winning contract.

[judyo...@gmail.com]

Passing over 4C denies Jxx or better in hearts, denies extra high cards in diamonds, denies extra high cards outside.

Just because the 3H bidder was *prepared* to hope for a plus score playing 4D doesn't mean he would get one. Maybe his hope was based on assuming KQJxxxx. Now that he knows that ain't so, why must he bid for a minus?

Carl

[patmp...@gmail.com]

I'd consider pass and 4H.

There are two big disadvantages to 4H. The first is that it reveals a double fit, which I very much do not like to do. The second is that it takes up no bidding room. In competitive auctions I don't like to do that, particularly when their suit outranks ours. So if I bid 4H then LHO would be emboldened to bid a 4S or 5C or more that he otherwise might not.

I don't think 4H is going to buy the contract, so I won't bid it and give them useful information, especially since it is more likely to be useful to them than to us. I've decreased the accuracy of their bidding with my bold 3D bid, so I'll be happy with that. I'd rather have it be clubs vs. diamonds, with us holding the higher ranking suit.

Besides, I'm certainly holding the weakest possible hand for my bid, and I want partner to know that.

[Dave Flower]

On Tuesday, 20 November 2012 11:05:31 UTC, patmp...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, November 8, 2012 4:18:55 AM UTC+7, André Steffens wrote: > Your hand,being West, South deals,all green: > > 86 > > 986 > > KJ9532 > > J3 > > > > The auction > > 1C 3D pass 3H > > 4C ??? > > > > 1C was 11-19 3+ clubs > > 4C: clubs powerhouse > > Had South passed then the auction would have been forcing. > > What calls do you seriously consider? What call do you make? I'd consider pass and 4H. There are two big disadvantages to 4H. The first is that it reveals a double fit, which I very much do not like to do. The second is that it takes up no bidding room. In competitive auctions I don't like to do that, particularly when their suit outranks ours. So if I bid 4H then LHO would be emboldened to bid a 4S or 5C or more that he otherwise might not. I don't think 4H is going to buy the contract, so I won't bid it and give them useful information, especially since it is more likely to be useful to them than to us. I've decreased the accuracy of their bidding with my bold 3D bid, so I'll be happy with that. I'd rather have it be clubs vs. diamonds, with us holding the higher ranking suit. Besides, I'm certainly holding the weakest possible hand for my bid, and I want partner to know that.

Accepting your points, I think that the problem with passing is that you are faced with a problem if you pass, LHO bids 4S (or 5C) and partner doubles. If you had bid 4H, there is no problem; you pass.

Dave Flower