Boris Schapiro is dead
John Hall
Daily Telegraph. (I don't know whether it's also in the online edition,
at www.telegraph.co.uk )
I like to think that he might have left a sealed box, to be opened after
his death, in which will be found a manuscript at last giving the full
truth about the Buenos Aires affair.
--
John Hall Weep not for little Leonie
Abducted by a French Marquis!
Though loss of honour was a wrench
Just think how it's improved her French. Harry Graham (1874-1936)
Ed Colley
news:JiSPimK1...@jhall.demon.co.uk...
> Boris Schapiro has died, at the age of 93. His obituary is in today's
> Daily Telegraph. (I don't know whether it's also in the online edition,
> at www.telegraph.co.uk )
>
> I like to think that he might have left a sealed box, to be opened after
> his death, in which will be found a manuscript at last giving the full
> truth about the Buenos Aires affair.
This link may work:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&xml=/news/2002/12/03
/db0302.xml
- Ed
Richard Willey
[I'll spare you all the registration process]
-----------
Bridge player who won a world title at the age of 89, three decades
after he was falsely branded a cheat
Boris Schapiro, who died on Sunday aged 93, was Britain's best-known
and most durable bridge player.
His career was, however, overshadowed for a time by a notorious
allegation of cheating in the 1965 World Bridge Championships. He and
his partner, the late Terence Reese, were accused of using signals
with their fingers to convey information about the cards they held.
At a short hearing held on site in Buenos Aires, the World Bridge
Federation found them guilty, and referred the case to the British
Bridge League, expecting the BBL to determine the penalty. But an
inquiry lasting more than a year, conducted before Sir John Foster,
QC, and General Lord Bourne, concluded that the evidence against Reese
and Schapiro was insufficient for the WBF's verdict.
Despite the finding of the Foster inquiry, the WBF suspended Reese and
Schapiro, and the disagreement led to Britain's withdrawal from the
1968 World Bridge Olympiad. The conflict was resolved later that year
by the WBF declaring that, as three years had passed, the suspension
was lifted.
The pair did not represent Britain thereafter, but later Schapiro
began competing internationally again. In the 1998 World Pairs
Olympiad, at the remarkable age of 89, Schapiro and his partner Irving
Gordon won the World Senior Pairs title, competing against a
star-studded field of players over the age of 55.
Schapiro had been rehabilitated into world bridge. His 90th birthday
party in London was attended by Jaime Ortiz-Patino, President Emeritus
of the WBF and owner of Valderrama golf course; Omar Sharif, the film
actor and bridge player; and Prince Khalid Abudullah of Saudi Arabia,
a family friend.
Boris Schapiro was born at Riga, Latvia, on August 22, 1909. His
family, who were wealthy owners of a horse-breeding business,
emigrated to Britain at the time of the Russian Revolution, when Boris
was nine years old. He was educated at a prep school near their home
at Doncaster, and then Clifton. He was playing cards for money by the
age of 10, but in his youth won more trophies for show-jumping than
for playing bridge. His family continued to supply horses for buses
and carriages throughout Europe and Africa, leading to their
friendship with the Saudi royal family.
The Schapiro family also acquired an interest in the meat trade, and
Boris joined the family business. He worked there until, in his
forties, he decided to retire and capitalise on his love of gambling
by becoming the banker of a baccarat syndicate at Crockford's, the
gaming club in London.
Schapiro was fluent in Russian, German and French, and these skills
were put to use during the Second World War in the Army Intelligence
Corps. When bridge championships re-started after the war, Schapiro
was a regular in the British team, winning the European Team
Championships four times from 1948. With Terence Reese, he was part of
the team that won Britain's only World Open Team title, in 1955. He
took silver in the World Teams of 1960 and the World Pairs of 1962.
Following the accusation of cheating against the pair, Schapiro's
international bridge career was put into limbo, but he continued to
achieve success at home with other partners. He won Britain's most
prestigious event, the Gold Cup, a record 11 times, most recently in
1998.
He was bridge correspondent of the Sunday Times from 1966 until his
death, and won its World Invitation Pairs in 1964. He was a World
Grandmaster and 10 years ago he was made an honorary member of the
English Bridge Union.
The characters of Reese and Schapiro were very different. At the
bridge table Reese was the cold calculating machine, driven by logic,
but witty and good-natured away from it, though with an acerbic phrase
when needed. Schapiro was the player of flair; excitable, always on
the move, irascible at the table and often grumpy away from it. He did
not mellow with old age. At the 1999 European Senior Teams, opponents
who called the referee in a vain attempt to protect Schapiro's partner
from verbal abuse were told there were special dispensations in
standards of behaviour for any competitor over the age of 90.
Schapiro once bet Ł50 that Reese's powers of concentration at the
bridge table were such that he would not notice if a naked woman
entered the room. Schapiro made the necessary arrangements, and won
the bet.
Another anecdote showed the sharp edge to his sense of humour. Reese
had been picking up the partnership's collection of trophies from
Schapiro's Belgravia flat in a pillow-case, and was stopped in the
street by a curious policeman. Reese eagerly explained that his
rightful claim to the silverware could be supported by a nearby
resident. When Schapiro answered the door he sized up the situation
speedily. "I have never seen this man before," he told the policeman.
Schapiro had an early marriage to a Russian. He is survived by his
second wife, Helen, whom he married in 1970.
Julian Lighton
John Hall <jo...@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>Boris Schapiro has died, at the age of 93. His obituary is in today's
>Daily Telegraph. (I don't know whether it's also in the online edition,
>at www.telegraph.co.uk )
>
>I like to think that he might have left a sealed box, to be opened after
>his death, in which will be found a manuscript at last giving the full
>truth about the Buenos Aires affair.
Such a document would only clarify the matter if he was guilty. If he
was innocent, it would likely not be believed.
Julian Lighton
Richard Willey <richard...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Here is the relevant information from the telegraph website
>[I'll spare you all the registration process]
There was none.
And even if there were, this kind of thing really isn't kosher.
Charles Blair
made a lot of money at baccarat, at which memorizing a long sequence
of cards can be very profitable. On several occasions (once during
the 1955 World Championship), he made ridiculous bids which later turned
out to be cases in which the same board had inadvertently gotten
to his table a second time.
A friend claims to have encountered him on okbridge a few years
ago. Although he clearly remained a great player to his death, I
find it hard to believe he would have found it worth his while to
learn computer technology. Can anyone confirm that he played there?
Micha Keijzers
> In article <3ded3d25...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
> Richard Willey <richard...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Here is the relevant information from the telegraph website
>>[I'll spare you all the registration process]
>
>
> There was none.
I had no problem reading it with Netscape. It gave a message reading:
the document contains no data, but I could read everything Richard
mentioned. Go to obituaries section and click Shapiro.
Kind regards, Micha
Nijmegen, Netherlands
Nat Silver
> ...Bridge player who won a world title at the age of 89, three decades
> after he was falsely branded a cheat...
After being told of the accusations and subsequently observing the pair
in competition, the British captain, Schwimmer, withdrew his team
and returned home. This contemporaneous act tells the tale, despite
attempts at rehabilitation. Anyway, IMHO, Americans (more than
the Brits) love rogues and can accept that they were great players
and cheats.
DavJFlower
>>Daily Telegraph. (I don't know whether it's also in the online edition,
>>at www.telegraph.co.uk )
>>
>>I like to think that he might have left a sealed box, to be opened after
>>his death, in which will be found a manuscript at last giving the full
>>truth about the Buenos Aires affair.
>
>Such a document would only clarify the matter if he was guilty. If he
>was innocent, it would likely not be believed.
>
There is also the possibility that Reese left something, only to be made public
after Schapiro's death...
Dave Flower
MK
Your prompt info was better then getting through the stupid registration
process. Those who state there is no registration for the Telegraph, never
tried (to be diplomatic).
MK
"Richard Willey" <richard...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ded3d25...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> Schapiro once bet £50 that Reese's powers of concentration at the
Ian Payn
"DavJFlower" <davjf...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021204033211...@mb-cv.aol.com...
For God's sake! What, you reckon that Reese was so indebted to posterity
that he decided that after both he and Boris were dead, a document would be
produced from a dusty, Dickensian solicitor's office, in which he would
confess all? If* Reese and Shapiro were guilty of cheating, they didn't
admit it while alive. Why on earth do you imagine they're going to admit it
now they're dead? Is there something you know of about their characters that
suggests this is a possibility?
*Please note the use of the word 'if'. In this context, it means 'if'.
V.Y. Milman
stands for? The news comes of a death of one of the best players
this game has known, and so many people jump to their keyboards
to revive again this 'were they - were they not' affair. To put it
mildly, it seems an inappropriate timing. Perhaps someone has a
story to tell about Boris - there should be lots of them, he was
a great character. Can't say anything good on this occasion - please
keep quiet. There will be a thread about RS scandal next year
(there is one every year), please save all the dirty comments
until then. I know it was a pleasure playing against Boris in
his later years; could someone post some snippets about his earlier
bridge life? I was told there was a bridge program on BBC long time
ago where he was involved - is that indeed true?
--
Victor Milman
Ian Payn
"V.Y. Milman" <vy...@cus.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:asktp8$ih5$1...@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk...
> People, what's wrong with you? Do you know what RIP actually
> stands for? The news comes of a death of one of the best players
> this game has known, and so many people jump to their keyboards
> to revive again this 'were they - were they not' affair.
++++I quite agree. In my eagerness to dismiss the ravings (using the word in
a kindly, caring way of course) about ancient documents in oaken caskets, I
neglected to state my disappointment about the revival of the interminable
debate. About which, by the way, I don't care. I really don't. It was nearly
four decades ago. If anyone's interested, read the books. And not out loud,
either.
<SNIP>I know it was a pleasure playing against Boris in his later years;
++++I wouldn't have used the word 'pleasure', personally, but I suppose in a
way there was a bit of innocent merriment to be had...
> could someone post some snippets about his earlier
> bridge life? I was told there was a bridge program on BBC long time
> ago where he was involved - is that indeed true?
++++I was talking to someone involved in something like this only last
night, but great detail hasn't been forthcoming yet, so I won't jump the
gun. I'll just offer a little taster: The word "disastrous" came up very
early on indeed...
There was an interview with Boris and Irving Gordon on the Young Chelsea web
site, but I've just tried to find it (by guessing the URL) and can't. It's
either been deleted or it's not called what I thought it was. I'll try again
when I have a bit more time.
Tim Goodwin
wrote:
There was a Bosis Shapiro (note different spelling) playing OKBridge a
while back.
Tim
Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)
In the early OKB years, and particularly before OKB went commercial, there
were a number of players using the names of famous players as their
handle. It usually took one board to discover that they were somebody
else.
Henk
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That problem that we weren't having yesterday, is it better? (Big ISP NOC)
Neil Prebble
60's. Somehow the leading players today do not seem to tower over the game
as they did. This comment also applies I think to members of the Blue Team
and the Aces. Maybe its cyclic but it is sad when a great actor leaves the
stage for the last time. I don't know whether there is a game where he's
gone but if there is I know he will be playing for high stakes!
"John Hall" <news_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote in message
news:JiSPimK1...@jhall.demon.co.uk...
Bruce Scott
What part of the thread am I missing? I have been looking at this thread
first when I check on the newsgroup (I guess out of the same impulse that
causes people to gape at accident scenes). So far, it seems to be very
tame. I expect that most of us with strong opinions about it have been
biting our tongues (with great difficulty for some, I imagine).
I wasn't tempted to jump into it again until reading your post. You most
likely didn't intend it to be taken as saber rattling, but that is how your
message read to me.
Cheers,
Bruce Scott
Richard Willey
wrote:
>In article <3ded3d25...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
>Richard Willey <richard...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Here is the relevant information from the telegraph website
>>[I'll spare you all the registration process]
>
>There was none.
I was forced to go through a lengthy and annoying registration process
in order to access the information in question.
>And even if there were, this kind of thing really isn't kosher.
This is a great deal of debate regarding the social and legal
proprieties of this type of activities. The legal challenges
surrounding so-called "Deep Linking" are quite interesting.
Ultimately, individuals need to make their own decisions regarding
intellectual property rights.
From my perspective, I feel that it is important to preserve
attribution. In this case, the Telegraph owns the obituary. They did
not credit an individual author (otherwise, I would have preserved the
citation)
However, I not do feel any need to assist the Telegraph in developing
a user database. Indeed, I can make a strong argument that I provided
positive value to the Telegraph by shielding their database from an
enormous amount of detrius.
Scott Bennett Graham
detritus / nice word Richard
detritus (dî-trě´tes) noun
plural detritus
1.Loose fragments or grains that have been worn away from rock.
2.a. Disintegrated or eroded matter: the detritus of past civilizations.
b. Accumulated material; debris: "Poems, engravings, press releases- he
eagerly scrutinizes the detritus of fame" (Carlin Romano).
[French détritus, from Latin dętrětus, from past participle of dęterere,
to lessen, wear away. See detriment.]
- detri´tal (-trět´l) adjective
Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English
Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic
version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and
distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States.
All rights reserved.
--
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Introducing broker for Peregrine Financial Group
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Sid Ismail
:There was an interview with Boris and Irving Gordon on the Young Chelsea web
:site, but I've just tried to find it (by guessing the URL) and can't. It's
:either been deleted or it's not called what I thought it was. I'll try again
:when I have a bit more time.
I met him here in South Africa (he played the Nationals with Wayne Chu)
some five years ago, and I felt good meeting the Bridge Immortal.
Here are a few snippets:
1995 Macallan:
Match 4
Board 35 looked spectacular but it produced the first flat board when
all tables reached the grand slam in diamonds.
Board 35 S T
Dlr: South H ---
E/W Vul D A987642
C KJT84
S Q96532 S K74
H QJ2 H 9654
D --- D T5
C 7652 C AQ93
S AJ8
H AKT873
D KQJ3
C ---
The prize for the shortest auction went to Irving Gordon & Boris
Schapiro who bid:
1H->2D->5NT->7D
Chemla & Mari bid: 1H->2D->2S->3C->7D
Chemla bid his grand without checking whether his partner had the key
card in diamonds. When three passes followed, without a double,
Chemla burst out laughing and said: "Now I know you have the ace of
trumps."
-----------------
Lille, France. 1998:
On the 60th anniversary of his first world championship victory,
89-year-old Boris Schapiro of Great Britain once again stands at the top
of the heap. He and Irving Gordon, with a score of 2274.8, finished a full
100 points ahead of the field in the Elf Senior Pairs. Another world
champion, Benito Garozzo of the United States and a former mainstay of the
Italian Blue Team, finished second, playing with his regular partner, Lea
DuPont.
In third place were Walter Hoger and V. Avensleben of Germany, only four
points out of second.
Shapiro certainly is the oldest person ever to win a world championship -
at 89 he is far ahead of any contender! The 1938 championship he won was
considered unofficial - the World Bridge Federation wouldn't come into
being for another 20 years. But he was a member of Great Britain's Bermuda
Bowl championship team in 1955 and he also won the 1962 World Mixed Teams
with teammates Nico Gardener, Fritzi Gordon and Rixi Markus.
-------------------------
Ecats site:
Biography (b. 1909 d. 2002) Of London, England. WBF Grand Master. Won
Bermuda Bowl 1955, second World Teams 1960, World Pairs 1962. Won European
Teams 1948, 1949, 1954, 1963. Won Sunday Times Invitational Pairs 1964,
second 1991 at the age of 81. Won World Senior Pairs playing with Irving
Gordon in Lille 1998, aged 89. Many national wins include Gold Cup 11
times, the most recent being in 1998 aged 89. Author of two books, bridge
columnist London Sunday Times.
-------------------------
Sid
Charles Blair
>The prize for the shortest auction went to Irving Gordon & Boris
>Schapiro who bid:
Such a prize sounds like a good idea! I suspect you were speaking
figuratively.
>On the 60th anniversary of his first world championship victory,
>89-year-old Boris Schapiro of Great Britain once again stands at the top
>of the heap.
It's interesting that bridge champions can do well at advanced ages.
Former world chess champion Lasker was considered remarkable for finishing
3rd in a Russian tournament in 1935, aged 67, as was ex-champion V. Smyslov
for getting into the quarter-finals (after a tied match led to a coin toss)
at 61.
Andrei
> bridge table were such that he would not notice if a naked woman
> entered the room. Schapiro made the necessary arrangements, and won
> the bet.
>
> Another anecdote showed the sharp edge to his sense of humour. Reese
> had been picking up the partnership's collection of trophies from
> Schapiro's Belgravia flat in a pillow-case, and was stopped in the
> street by a curious policeman. Reese eagerly explained that his
> rightful claim to the silverware could be supported by a nearby
> resident. When Schapiro answered the door he sized up the situation
> speedily. "I have never seen this man before," he told the policeman.
>
> Schapiro had an early marriage to a Russian. He is survived by his
> second wife, Helen, whom he married in 1970.
>
>
John Hall
Richard Willey <richard...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Schapiro once bet £50 that Reese's powers of concentration at the
>bridge table were such that he would not notice if a naked woman
>entered the room. Schapiro made the necessary arrangements, and won
>the bet.
Why do _my_ partners never arrange to test my powers of concentration
like that?
--
John Hall
"I am not young enough to know everything."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
Julian Lighton
MK <michae...@videotron.ca> wrote:
>Thanks Richard,
>Your prompt info was better then getting through the stupid registration
>process. Those who state there is no registration for the Telegraph, never
>tried (to be diplomatic).
I did follow the link. I did not have to register. Maybe if you don't
refuse the cookies, it makes you register; I don't know.
Julian Lighton
Richard Willey <richard...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:33:59 -0000, jl...@fragment.com (Julian Lighton)
>wrote:
>
>>In article <3ded3d25...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
>>Richard Willey <richard...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>Here is the relevant information from the telegraph website
>>>[I'll spare you all the registration process]
>>
>>There was none.
>
>I was forced to go through a lengthy and annoying registration process
>in order to access the information in question.
And I wasn't.
>>And even if there were, this kind of thing really isn't kosher.
>
>This is a great deal of debate regarding the social and legal
>proprieties of this type of activities. The legal challenges
>surrounding so-called "Deep Linking" are quite interesting.
And also irrelevant, since this was straight-out copying.
>Ultimately, individuals need to make their own decisions regarding
>intellectual property rights.
Excerpts would have been one thing. The entire article verbatim is a
lot harder to justify.
>From my perspective, I feel that it is important to preserve
>attribution. In this case, the Telegraph owns the obituary. They did
>not credit an individual author (otherwise, I would have preserved the
>citation)
Crediting the copyright owner is good, but what about respecting their
wishes?
>However, I not do feel any need to assist the Telegraph in developing
>a user database. Indeed, I can make a strong argument that I provided
>positive value to the Telegraph by shielding their database from an
>enormous amount of detrius.
You think they don't know that many registrations are bogus? They
Sid Ismail
wrote:
:>Your prompt info was better then getting through the stupid registration
:>process. Those who state there is no registration for the Telegraph, never
:>tried (to be diplomatic).
:
:I did follow the link. I did not have to register. Maybe if you don't
:refuse the cookies, it makes you register; I don't know.
I didn't have to register at all. Click "Orbituaries" 'cause that's what
it was.....
Sid
Csaba
comes back from "Nat Silver" <mat...@worldnet.att.net>. Hmmm, doesn't
sound like A, doesn't sound like I. Must be a human:
> Richard Willey wrote:
>
>> ...Bridge player who won a world title at the age of 89, three decades
>> after he was falsely branded a cheat...
>
> After being told of the accusations and subsequently observing the pair
> in competition, the British captain, Schwimmer, withdrew his team
> and returned home. This contemporaneous act tells the tale,
... that Schwimmer was not a good captain.
It seems ominous to me that both cheating accusations during Bermuda Bowls
that I'm aware of (Bermuda and Buenos Aires) were made by Americans
against opponents ahead in their direct match :-(
--
A .sig ! A .sig ! My kingdom for a .sig !
Robert Lipton
Csaba wrote:
Well, one would presume that when you are playing the British team, you
are too busy to observe what the Italian team is doing, but that's just
me. Apparently you are more talented.
Bob
Nat Silver
> Richard Willey writes:
>> Schapiro once bet Ł50 that Reese's powers of concentration
>> at the bridge table were such that he would not notice if a
>> naked woman entered the room. Schapiro made the necessary
>> arrangements, and won the bet.
> Why do _my_ partners never arrange to test my powers of
> concentration like that?
:-)
It's because few (if anyone breathing) have that kind of concentration.
I'm speculating the bet was a set-up with an even split at the end.
They probably went plus for the session.
Mark Brader
> Bowls that I'm aware of (Bermuda and Buenos Aires) were made by
> Americans against opponents ahead in their direct match :-(
Ominous? If world-class players are cheating together, I'd *expect*
them to be leading most of the time in most of their matches.
--
Mark Brader, Toronto "Logic is logic. That's all I say."
m...@vex.net -- Oliver Wendell Holmes
Ron Lel
"Bruce Scott" <bruces...@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:DqqH9.234824$WL3.81585@rwcrnsc54...
Biting your tongues about what? For Heaven's sake, they were
exonerated by the EBU. It is only the paranoid and the Scheinwold
forelock tuggers who persist in this tripe.
Vale to a great Bridge player
Ron Lel
Charles Blair
during the European Championships which, of course, would not
involve accusers from USA. In particular, I believe, based in part
on oblique references in Victor Mollo's THE BRIDGE IMMORTALS, that
Pierre Jais and Roger Trezel were targets of suspicion. For that
matter, Reese and Schapiro were suspected of cheating as early as
the 50's. However, details of these situations seem to have been
suppressed.
Steve Grant
news:asn3pm$t2j$1...@arachne.labyrinth.net.au...
>
> For Heaven's sake, they were
> exonerated by the EBU.
You misunderstand the scope of the EBU's actions.
Denis Gibson
"Steve Grant" <ACE...@concentric.net> wrote in message
news:asnojm$8...@dispatch.concentric.net...
reckoning. Surely theyll be released to an agog world soon?
Sid Ismail
: My impression is that there have been accusations of cheating
This is doing no-one any good. Put a lid on it?
We don't need this.... there are newbies reading here.
You got evidence? Then speak up.
---------------
Sid Ismail Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful.
www.elsid.co.za It's the transition that's troublesome.
---------------
Ron Johnson
Mark Brader <m...@vex.net> wrote:
>> It seems ominous to me that both cheating accusations during Bermuda
>> Bowls that I'm aware of (Bermuda and Buenos Aires) were made by
>> Americans against opponents ahead in their direct match :-(
>
>Ominous? If world-class players are cheating together, I'd *expect*
>them to be leading most of the time in most of their matches.
If world class players put any effort in their cheating I'd expect
them to be unbeatable.
--
RNJ
Margaret Courtney
ago. I played and won the European Championship last year and many
people asked me how I kept my nerve after such a short time in the
game. My reply always involved Boris.
At my first game of relatively high stake rubber bridge I cut Boris.
After the customary offer of a spot of the old adultery play
commenced. We bid to 6S and after trick 3 Boris looked at me and said
"Young lady, not only do you bid like a c*** you play like one too".
Boris/ European Championship easy to decide which is the less
intimidating.
I became friends with Boris and played many rubbers with him.
Hopefully I play like less of a c*** because of it.
Paul Brewer
God rest his soul.
It would be more than the international community ever did.
Regards,
Paul
Adam Beneschan
> This is a great deal of debate regarding the social and legal
> proprieties of this type of activities. The legal challenges
> surrounding so-called "Deep Linking" are quite interesting.
> Ultimately, individuals need to make their own decisions regarding
> intellectual property rights.
>
> From my perspective, I feel that it is important to preserve
> attribution. In this case, the Telegraph owns the obituary. They did
> not credit an individual author (otherwise, I would have preserved the
> citation)
Whoever it was that wrote the article, the Telegraph undoubtedly had
to pay them. They then made the article available for free. So far,
they've lost money in the transaction. Undoubtedly, they did this in
the expectation of recouping the money somehow, probably by getting
people to see the advertising on the site, in expectation of which
advertisers have paid money to the Telegraph for the privilege of
exposing their product names to the people reading the site. By
copying the article and reposting it here, you've taken away the
Telegraph's right to recoup the lost money. If enough people adopt
this attitude, these organizations will no longer have a good reason
to go to the expense of making anything available on the 'net, free or
otherwise.
-- Adam
John Crinnion
> In article <3dee34c4...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
> Richard Willey <richard...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Tue, 03 Dec 2002 23:33:59 -0000, jl...@fragment.com (Julian Lighton)
> >wrote:
> >
> >>In article <3ded3d25...@News.CIS.DFN.DE>,
> >>Richard Willey <richard...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>Here is the relevant information from the telegraph website
> >>>[I'll spare you all the registration process]
> >>
> >>There was none.
> >
> >I was forced to go through a lengthy and annoying registration process
> >in order to access the information in question.
>
> And I wasn't.
Bully for you.
>
> >>And even if there were, this kind of thing really isn't kosher.
Who cares?
> >
> >This is a great deal of debate regarding the social and legal
> >proprieties of this type of activities. The legal challenges
> >surrounding so-called "Deep Linking" are quite interesting.
>
> And also irrelevant, since this was straight-out copying.
If I had the energy I would copy out the London Times obituary, which
is in any case more intersting as it mentions the deceased's raunchy
sense of humour.
> >Ultimately, individuals need to make their own decisions regarding
> >intellectual property rights.
>
> Excerpts would have been one thing. The entire article verbatim is a
> lot harder to justify.
Do you really think anyone else on the planet gives a tuppenny damn?
> >From my perspective, I feel that it is important to preserve
> >attribution. In this case, the Telegraph owns the obituary. They did
> >not credit an individual author (otherwise, I would have preserved the
> >citation)
>
> Crediting the copyright owner is good, but what about respecting their
> wishes?
See my previous remark.
Chris Ryall
>Bully for you.
>Who cares?
>If I had the energy I would copy out the London Times obituary, which
>is in any case more intersting as it mentions the deceased's raunchy
>sense of humour.
>Do you really think anyone else on the planet gives a tuppenny damn?
>See my previous remark.
>
I feel these comments speak for themselves, and have edited out the
context as John hadn't bothered to do this normal courtesy.
--
Chris Ryall (snip spamtram
Wirral-UK to email me)
Chris Ryall
In group:rec.games.bridge, Thu, 5 Dec 2002
(16l)
>Any news of the secret documents yet? Five days and counting by my
>reckoning. Surely theyll be released to an agog world soon?
Shhh ... walls have ears.
Paul Brewer
"Charles Blair" <c-b...@uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:dKtH9.1830$Vf3....@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu...
I seem to recall (Reese I think) reading about the Smyslov screw.
How old was he at the time?
Regards,
Paul
John Crinnion
> John Crinnion wrote
>
> >Bully for you.
>
> >Who cares?
>
> >If I had the energy I would copy out the London Times obituary, which
> >is in any case more intersting as it mentions the deceased's raunchy
> >sense of humour.
>
> >Do you really think anyone else on the planet gives a tuppenny damn?
>
> >See my previous remark.
> >
> I feel these comments speak for themselves, and have edited out the
> context as John hadn't bothered to do this normal courtesy.
Re-reading my post, it does come across as much more abrupt than I
intended. I must have dashed it off in a tearing hurry.
A more temperate expression of my opinion would be that Usenet,
bulletin boards and the internet as a whole should function as
CyberSamizdat, with copyright irrelevant accordingly. Especially
trivial, technical breaches of a kind that can have no significant
impact on the well-being of the copyright holder.
Steve Willner
news:<lphsuug0tjhpo5iiv...@4ax.com>...
> Here are a few snippets:
Thanks for the interesting anecdotes.
> Shapiro certainly is the oldest person ever to win a world championship -
> at 89 he is far ahead of any contender!
I was thinking Waldemar von Zedtwitz was older when he won the World
Mixed Pairs, but apparently that's not so. From
http://www.ecatsbridge.com/BiB/static/Trelix%20Docs/pairs_oly/1970.htm
Aged 74 and troubled by poor sight, USA's Waldemar von Zedwitz
headed the 228-pair field in partnership with Barbara Brier.
So is Waldy second? Any other contenders?
One source gives the date of the above victory as 1974 instead of
1970, but I tend to trust the ecatsbridge site.
Karen Allison
It was in Stockholm in 1970. I was there playing my first world championship
(with Gladys Collier).
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Andrew Gumperz
Oswald Jacoby won the Reisinger in 1983 at the age of 81--not a World
Championship but may be more impressive than a seniors-only event.
Andrew
David Stevenson
>On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:57:58 GMT, c-b...@uiuc.edu (Charles Blair) wrote:
>
>: My impression is that there have been accusations of cheating
>:during the European Championships which, of course, would not
>:involve accusers from USA. In particular, I believe, based in part
>:on oblique references in Victor Mollo's THE BRIDGE IMMORTALS, that
>:Pierre Jais and Roger Trezel were targets of suspicion. For that
>:matter, Reese and Schapiro were suspected of cheating as early as
>:the 50's. However, details of these situations seem to have been
>:suppressed.
>
>
>This is doing no-one any good. Put a lid on it?
>
>We don't need this.... there are newbies reading here.
Cheating is always a subject of interest, and this newsgroup seems a
perfectly normal place for such a discussion.
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David Stevenson
Sure. They did nothing. Of course, the BBL .....
Andrew Gumperz
That is a great story. What would bridge be without such characters?
Andrew
Bruce Scott
"Andrew Gumperz" <agum...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:98f45892.02121...@posting.google.com...
A more civilized game that enjoyed greater popularity than it currently
does.
:)
Cheers,
Bruce Scott
jur...@t-online.de
wrote:
A much more pleasant game than it is. It is not necessary to behave
like a jackass even if you play well.
Jürgen
>
>
>Andrew
Andrew Gumperz
Sure he was a jackass--but he was a harmless jackass (and probably
also a charismatic jackass and a funny jackass). And clearly Margaret
did not collapse in the face of his rudeness.
I never met Boris Schapiro, but I have seen Ron Andersen and Steve
Sion in action and he sounds like a similar personality. Ron Andersen
drove many of his opponents to fits with his gamesmanship and
provokations. I didn't approve of how he sometimes treated weaker
opponents, but if he behaved badly towards his peers...well IMO, those
guys are supposed to be able to take it. If you want to be an expert
you better have the resiliency to deal with boorish behavior.
Andrew
Steve Rogers
> Sion in action and he sounds like a similar personality. Ron Andersen
> drove many of his opponents to fits with his gamesmanship and
> provokations. I didn't approve of how he sometimes treated weaker
> opponents, but if he behaved badly towards his peers...well IMO, those
> guys are supposed to be able to take it. If you want to be an expert
> you better have the resiliency to deal with boorish behavior.
>
>
> Andrew
I don't think being good at something provides a reason or
justification for being rude. Many good players go out of there way to
be pleasent to non-experts.
As for Schapiro, at least in the 70s he was ok at the bridge table
except for the Vodka. This was his new wifes Dog, a small miserable
creature that was not 100% toilet trained. Although pets wern't normal
in Bridge events I guess nobody felt like telling him this....
David Stevenson
>As for Schapiro, at least in the 70s he was ok at the bridge table
>except for the Vodka. This was his new wifes Dog, a small miserable
>creature that was not 100% toilet trained. Although pets wern't normal
>in Bridge events I guess nobody felt like telling him this....
Oh yes they did!