Your favorite beer&pretzels game?
Gerald Siek
After the recent discussion about wargames and conflict simulations
I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
not too much time to start any complex games.
Personally, I really like "Enemy in Sight", "Nuclear War" or "Wiz War"
but there are probably a lot more. Which do you prefer?
Best regards,
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Michael R. Marsh
: Hello everyone!
: After the recent discussion about wargames and conflict simulations
: I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
: kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
: not too much time to start any complex games.
<munch>
The old metagames.. OGRE. To me its beers and Pretzels.
Cthulhoid
Peter Szymonik
when drunk :-)
Peter
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The Creature That Ate Sheboygan
Titan
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Jeff Goldsmith
>Personally, I really like "Enemy in Sight", "Nuclear War" or "Wiz War"
>but there are probably a lot more. Which do you prefer?
Modern Naval Battles is an, in my opinion, improved version of
Enemy in Sight. Each drew inspiration from Naval War, which is
probably out of print.
--Jeff
Martin Higham
>everyone!
>
>: After the recent discussion about wargames and conflict simulations
>: I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
>: kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
>: not too much time to start any complex games.
>
My votes would go to
WizWar
Der Ausreisser (Cycling card game)
Daytona 500
Family Business
as the games I seem to have played til the cards word out.
Recent games which I like a lot
Rise of the Luftwaffe
World Cup Tournament Football
(dont think of it as a game about soccer, because its not. This
is one of very few sub 1 hour boardgames that actually lets you
plan)
Martin
Simon Tout
It always ends up a very tense contest as you jocky for firing positions
and better contact values on the enemy, but it had really simple mechanics
and loads of replay value.
I would tend to avoid the cider while playing though, it seems to send a
lot of ships to the bottom.
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Simon Tout
Mike Campbell
>
> The Awful Green Things From Outer Space
> The Creature That Ate Sheboygan
> Titan
Wabbit Wampage
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>: I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
>: kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
>: not too much time to start any complex games.
>
>
I find HOTW to be one of those kinds of lite games... also,
how about Dune, Cosmic Encounter, Risk, Quirks, DungeonQuest, Cosmic
Wimpout,...
Mark Hughes
: Hello everyone!
: After the recent discussion about wargames and conflict simulations
: I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
: kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
: not too much time to start any complex games.
: Personally, I really like "Enemy in Sight", "Nuclear War" or "Wiz War"
: but there are probably a lot more. Which do you prefer?
Gammarauders
Illuminati
Creature That Ate Sheboygan
Awful Green Things From Outer Space
King Of The Tabletop (from Dragon Mag)
almost any Dragon Mag game... (Magus & Elefant Hunt were great)
-Mark Hughes
Brian Youse
> I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
Only one beer/pretzels game IMNSHO, ASL.
Hey, we drink a lot of beer and eat pretzels during a game! 8)
Brian
Joseph A. Admire
: Hello everyone!
: After the recent discussion about wargames and conflict simulations
: I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
: kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
: not too much time to start any complex games.
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I vote for SPI's old Quadrigames too, especially "Battle of Nations"
(from *Napoleon at War*). Dang...I should have put that in my "favorite
games" post earlier!! AH's "History of the World" is a recent favorite
of mine too.
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J. Michael Tisdel
: Gerald Siek (je...@uni-paderborn.de) wrote:
: : Hello everyone!
: : After the recent discussion about wargames and conflict simulations
: : I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
: : kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
: : not too much time to start any complex games.
B&P, huh? How 'bout:
(1) "Nuke War" (+ all expansions) by Flying Buffalo
(2) "Space Hulk" & "Darkwing" (not "Genestealer") by Games Workshop
(3) "Dungeon" by TSR
And, maybe a new category: Lunch Time Game (i.e. a game you can play at
lunch in the company cafeteria)
(1) "Magic: the Gathering" by Wizards of the Coast
(2) Mah jong
(3) "Ace of Aces" by Nova
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Jeff Goldsmith
Modern Naval Battles
Nuke War
King Arthur's Knights
Chill
Tales of the Arabian Nights
>And, maybe a new category: Lunch Time Game (i.e. a game you can play at
>lunch in the company cafeteria)
Up Front
Bridge, of course
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If we're talking beer and pretzles games. . .
CAR WARS: THE CARD GAME -- the rules are simple and easy to grasp, but the game
itself will keep fans of the board game and their game illiterate/opposed
friends alike occupied for hours.
THE HUNT -- A small-press game, conceptually similar to the movie "The Running
Man." The rules may look complex, but playing the game once will convince you
otherwise.
JENGA -- A great party or any other time game!
LEGOWARS -- Havn't actually played it, but the rules can be downloaded free
from earthsea.stanford.edu via anon ftp, and look pretty easy to grasp.
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|>
|> If we're talking beer and pretzles games. . .
|>
|> CAR WARS: THE CARD GAME -- the rules are simple and easy to grasp, but the game
|> itself will keep fans of the board game and their game illiterate/opposed
|> friends alike occupied for hours.
|>
*WORST* game category. I originally bought it becuase my son who is
nine years old likes the idea of Car Wars but can't handle all the rules
of the real thing (actully maybe he can, I haven't really tried it with
him yet), so we got this as a substitute.
We both got totally and completely bored with the simplistic nature of
this game in about 10 minutes. I was really surprised something this
crappy came from the same people who invented the real Car Wars and Ogre.
If you really must play a card game with duelling automobiles, do what
we did, and go back to the old-timer, Milles Bourne. :) :)
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Mark Hughes
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: Illuminati
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Great choice. I would add Ogre.
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: ...
: And, maybe a new category: Lunch Time Game (i.e. a game you can play at
: lunch in the company cafeteria)
: (1) "Magic: the Gathering" by Wizards of the Coast
If you can find it. I gave up looking for it.
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Kerry Anderson
In response to the never-ending trickle of questions, I will post again...
* * * * BARNARD'S STAR * * * *
BARNARD'S STAR is a public-domain wargame avaiable at the FTP site
"sunbane.engrg.uwo.ca" as "/pub/postscript/bseps.zip". The PKZIPped file
contains a set of encapsulated postscript files, which, when printed, provide
all the components for the game. Because of it's format, you will need
a DOS machine, a recent version of PKZIP, and a postscript printer. Without
any of the above, you're SOL.
BARNARD'S STAR is a science fiction game on an attack on an outpost on a
moon in the Barnard's Star system. Units are company sized and the scale
is 100 km per hex and 10 hours per turn. The game contains lots of neat
SF chrome including bombardment from space, planetary defenses, jump troops,
teleporation, etc.
Physically, BARNARD'S STAR comes with a 18"x22" map (printed in 4 sections)
and 200 counters (printed on 2 sheets), rules and charts. The game is a kit
and a little work is needed to put it together, such as gluing, color and
cutting the counters, etc.
* * * * * * * * * *
Why did I do the game and provide it to the general public. Well, there are
several reasons. First, to show people what can be done using desk top
publishing (DTP). Second, to get a game out to the public that I feel
deserves some recognition. Third, to gain some notoriety among various
groups on the Net.
Am I worried about someone stealing the idea and publishing it themselves?
NOPE! First, I've been peddling games for several years (with some success)
and if I can't get BARNARD'S STAR published, I don't think any other hacker
on the net can. Second, I've got the best copyright scheme going - by now,
the game has been backup up on a bazillion main frames around the world!
Third, if anyone did try to steal the game, I could put forward a strong
argument over the Net that I did the game first and the people/company that
produced the game are bad (I'll save the stronger language for the unlikely
event).
Kerry Anderson
P.S. If there are any companies out the interested in producing the game, let
me know!
Tom Granvold
Kerry Anderson <kand...@nofc.forestry.ca> wrote:
>My favorite beer & pretzles game, BARNARD'S STAR, of course...
>
>In response to the never-ending trickle of questions, I will post again...
>
>* * * * BARNARD'S STAR * * * *
>
>BARNARD'S STAR is a public-domain wargame avaiable at the FTP site
>"sunbane.engrg.uwo.ca" as "/pub/postscript/bseps.zip". The PKZIPped file
>contains a set of encapsulated postscript files, which, when printed, provide
>all the components for the game. Because of it's format, you will need
>a DOS machine, a recent version of PKZIP, and a postscript printer. Without
>any of the above, you're SOL.
Is there some way that those few of us who don't have access to a
DOS system can get a copy of this game. I have an Amiga at home and use
a Unix system at work. I can handle postscript, but not a PKZIPed file.
The games sounds very interesting but does me no good if I can't get a
copy.
Thanks,
Tom Granvold <thomas....@eng.sun.com>
SillyWiz
> Is there some way that those few of us who don't have access to a
>DOS system can get a copy of this game. I have an Amiga at home and use
>a Unix system at work. I can handle postscript, but not a PKZIPed file.
>The games sounds very interesting but does me no good if I can't get a
>copy.
Bog standard "unzip" on the SUNos box I'm posting this from just undid the
compression, so I'd assume "gunzip" would as well.
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Aaron Brezenski
Beer and pretzel game (favorite):
Macho Women with Guns!
or the Supplements
Batwinged Bimbos From Hell
and
Renegase Nuns on Wheels!
Aaron Brezenski
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Gabriel Velasco
> Hello everyone!
>
> After the recent discussion about wargames and conflict simulations
> I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
> kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
> not too much time to start any complex games.
Are you talking about tactical simulations or just any games?
I know this is rec.games.BOARD, but my wife (who is not a big tactical
fan) and I plays lots of different games with our friends. All of the
following games appeal to females as well as males.
Trumpet is a very attractive card game (come to think of it, it does
have a board) that's very easy to learn and has a good balance between
strategy and luck. It's cheap too.
Wizard is an excellent trick taking card game based on Oh Hell. It's
easly to learn and difficult to master. A good player can win
consistently.
Pounce can be VERY funny with the right group. I've laughed so hard
playing that game that my sides hurt. It can be played as a drinking
game. You roll dice till you get a 7 or 11 then you can pounce on some
rubber mice with a plunger. Both pouncer and pouncees can fake.
Everyone seems to like Pigmania (Pass the Pigs), or it's cousine Tip
the Cows. Almost entirely luck based, so it probably doesn't appeal to
many people in this group, but it's easy to learn and females seem to
like it a lot.
There's a good English pub game called Stak (I think) where you stack
colored dice on top of other players dice. There's lots of room for
politics and strategy.
Pente is easy to learn and can be played with up to four people in
teams or individually.
Pipeline is an interesting game where you try to build a pipeline to
connect your dock to an oil well. You can cap off other players lines
and turn them. It's very easy to learn and has some room for
politics.
Of course, Abalone, is very easy to learn and you can have up to three
players. In fact, I think it's a much better game with three players.
We still have fun the the classics such as Scrabble and Parchisi. I
can't think of any tactical simulations that are easy enough to just
open the box, deal the cards, and say here we go. Even the easiest
ones still require a bit of explaining to someone who's new to war
games.
It's kind of hard to pick a favorite from the above, but I must say
that for me Wizard is quite addictive.
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David G Haren
: : >: I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
: : >: kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
: : >: not too much time to start any complex games.
: : >The old metagames.. OGRE. To me its beers and Pretzels.
: : Beer and pretzel game (favorite):
Has to be OGRE/GEV, followed by Chitin, Rivets and Lynn Willis design
UN drop on the Martian Webbies.
Past that nobody has done a big one better than Starship Troopers.
If you have all day, Bloodtree rebellion and if you can get 4 players
Stellar Conquest.
Multi-player has to be Junta, one of the greats, followed by Illuminati.
When you throw in miniatures, Silent Death is a quick slambanger, and
there's a counter set if you want to play without the "lead".
If you have a lot of beer and pretzels, Wacht Am Rhein will rectify
your surplus.
:^)
dave
Thomas Rhoads
With more than 2 players, Family Business. Also worthy of note is Mystic
Wood (the box art sucks, but it's a cool little game for up to 4, pretty
simple and quick; a bit too luck dependent maybe).
-Tom Rhoads
539fo...@wmich.edu
>
> Multi-player has to be Junta, one of the greats, followed by Illuminati.
>
the freezer... Anyone gets assassinated, they do a shot. Elect a new
president for life, EVERYONE does a shot... :)
Phil
Joseph Grace
and it was loads of fun. Handles up to 12 people, and the more
the merrier. It's a race game with all sorts of funny asides,
details, and pseudo-scientific puns and such. The play is fast
and furious, though.
Cheeers,
= Joe =
Trib Jeff
> Hello everyone!
>
> After the recent discussion about wargames and conflict simulations
> I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
> kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
> not too much time to start any complex games.
Has no one here ever hear of the "Get the Russian Drunk" strategy in
Diplomacy?! (Warning...this works better for happy drunks rather than
those who take everything WAY to seriously!)
Kremlin also works, even if it is a bit outdated.
And if you have a few too many for your standard poker game, pull out your
$$$ and engage in some friendly wagering in Circus Maximums (You might
want to have a Gladiator game going on the side for those one-on-one
grudge matches!)
Other games that are enjoyable and don't required frequent trips to the
rule book are Brittania, Merchant of Venus, and Dune.
Owner of many, and master of none,
Jeff Vitous ;)
M.P. Soulier
Hmmm. Tough one. I'd have to say Battletech (old Btech!) and
Silent Death.
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I can't afford a real sig, I'm trying to pay for this year's tuition.
David B McCaughan
: >: I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
: >: kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
: >: not too much time to start any complex games.
: >The old metagames.. OGRE. To me its beers and Pretzels.
: Beer and pretzel game (favorite):
Personal favourite in this catagory would have to be Legions of Steel.
Haven't been playing all that long, but good for a "quick" pickup game
which is enjoyable to play.
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Cthulhoid
gives you any money, for you to be screwed and have no way to improve your
position.
scott david orr
That's what coups and assinations are for. Especially character assasinations.
It's a game of interaction, after all. That and random but purposeful violence.
Scott Orr
Brandon Freels
>>: Hello everyone!
>>
>>: After the recent discussion about wargames and conflict simulations
>>: I'd like to know which easy games do you like best. You know, those
>>: kind of "open the box, deal the cards, here we go" games when you have
>>: not too much time to start any complex games.
>>
Let's see...some good ones:
Family Business
Naval War
Plague and Pestilence
Express
Chaos Marauders
Stellar Slaughter (or any Psychos and Slashers game)
Grass
Mille Bournes
Star Fleet Missions
...and a few others that will pop up if I think about it longer. :-)
Domo. Ja na.
Brandon Freels
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Andrew Markiel
already gone by). A classic that everyone seems to like. Add in the
first expansion set (which has lots of cool objects and monsters to
create) and it's a lot of fun. The neat feature is that very often
you think you're really close to winning, and then someone whips out
a card that puts you a lot farther away. Plays with 2-4 (2-6 with
expansion set) but is best with 3 or 4 (works well with 3, which
isn't so common). Games last 1 hour or less.
Nuclear War + expansions (Nuclear Escalation, Nuclear Proliferation)
is another classic. Pure "obliterate everyone else" game. Expansion
sets aren't really necessary, but sort of neat. Plays best with as
many people as you can get, I played with 17 once and it was a blast
(3 people died in the initial secrets phase which is before anyone
takes a turn :). Plays pretty fast, ~30 minutes.
I happen to like Car Wars: the Card Game, although some people don't.
It's a lot like Mille Bourne, but I think it works better since in
Mille Bourne you can get stalemate positions where both people are
just drawing cards looking for the one they need, while Card Wars
lets you discard as many cards as you like to be replaced next turn,
so the game moves along very quickly. You have to be a little bit
bored to enjoy it, but it's a great game for killing short bits of
time. We used to play it while waiting for the rest of the people
to show up for a larger game. Plays with 2-6, not great with 3.
Games are very fast, ~15 minutes.
Great Cthulhu
That's what coups are for!
Besides, they're more fun than the rest of the game. B^)
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Greg Nichols
list. And I might include both "A House Divided" and We the People" too.
My co-workers and I have had many fun, long lunch hours playing "Kremlin."
Yeah, some of our discussion and taunting can get pretty non-PC but that's
part of the fun.
And so too has "Enemy in Sight" provided a good deal of fun.
Ganging up on the leader. Making spiteful plays because of incidents
(mainly blockades or broken lines) that roll over from our last session. And
it's so darn easy to play that a new recruit will require only one hand
(and a few shots from a 1st Rater) before he/she gets the hang of it.
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little brother). It requires so very little thought,
for when you've had more Beer than Pretzels.
Also Illuminati ....
-Kelly
joseph oberlander
"hehehehehe.... my Zerstor just killed your Deathon" :)
Definately one of the best games ever to appear in Dragon.
scott david orr
Not to mention King of the Tabletop. Geez I wonder where all the paper cups
with those counters in them got to.
Scott Orr
David Craven
subscribers. Somehow I ended up with several copies, but alas, I think
that they have gone the wal of all flesh.
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wrote: : For B&P games you can't beat Naval War (Enemy in Sight's
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I've heard of - but not Shapershifters.
What is it - by who - how does it play?
thanks,
Joshua Howard
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<with those counters in them got to.
Tom Wham has got to be one of my favorite game designers. His
games inspired me to get into game design - my first game
has been mistaken as a Tom Wham game (I tried to capture
his style). Just about anything that Tom Wham has done has been
great.
Dragon Magazine did a best games of Dragon a while back - they
messed up big time by not including Planet Busters - or other
Tom Wham games.
I know its been asked before - but does anyone have any idea
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thanks,
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smi...@opie.bgsu.edu
My fav would have to be AH's Slapshot. It's simple. It's wacky. And a bunch
of people can play it.
Scott
Tom Blessing
If it hasn't already been mentioned, I nominate Dune as one the all time best
beer & pretzels game. Tons-of-fun, plenty of twists and turns, never sure
who's gonna win, lots of strategies to try, and you can actually play twice
in one evening! What more do you need (except 6 players).
Indian1000
writes:
Beer doesn't always mix with heavy strategy games.
In order of increasing amounts of beer:
Kremlin
Trivial Pusuit
Yahtzee
Cosmic Wimpout
Randall P.
: If it hasn't already been mentioned, I nominate Dune as one the all time best
: beer & pretzels game. Tons-of-fun, plenty of twists and turns, never sure
: who's gonna win, lots of strategies to try, and you can actually play twice
: in one evening! What more do you need (except 6 players).
Well, I would go with the best game from the same design team that did
Dune, and that would be (drum roll, please) Cosmic Encounter. Not too
deep, not too shallow, more twists than you can possibly count, and
possibly multiple winners. I was even in one game where all 5 players
managed a simultaneous win, and were happy with it!
Trib Jeff
>Tom Blessing (bles...@esdd4330a.erim.org) wrote:
Does anyone remember Amoeba Wars?! Methinks I left that game at long
forgotten friends house...maybe after a few too many. ;-) C'est la vie.
There's always Wizards Quest....
Jim Rapoza
Frank Smedley
reid....@pca.state.mn.us
>
I also like DUNE. The extra Spice Harvest module is fun, but makes the game
less balanced. I didn't like the Duel module.
I made the following rule modifications.
1) Since the Fremen are awfully strong, we make them pay double for treachery
cards (justified by less direct access to the arms market.)
2) We abandoned alliances because they were time-consuming, made for absurdly
easy victories, and created some unbeatable military combinations (Atreides
+ Bene Gesserit.
3) Moving one territory was way too pokey. We let people move two, and then
let the Fremen move three like people with Ornitopters do.
This was created by the Eon Games people (who sold it to a-h for the seed money
for their company). They were really original; too bad they didn't last
longer. They like to play with simple combat systems and different rules for
the players. They did the following:
COSMIC ENCOUNTERS (later bought by West End, then Mayfair)
DARKOVER (like Dune)
BORDERLANDS (an interesting game set in prehistory, but that needed more work.
I worked on alternate rules but couldn't get any that worked. Anyone else
try?
HOAX (didn't work too well)
RUNES (a word game like Probe, but where you guess the SHAPE making up the
letters, not the letters. They had the alphabet broken down into short
straights, long straights, small curves and big curves. Thus Y was three
short straights, S was two small curves, and so on.)
QUIRKS (a fun and original game of evolution--looks like that SimLife a bit but
is a LOT more fun.)
I picked up Quirks, Runes, and Hoax on remainders shelves, and got all the
others (except Cosmic) used. They're out there--keep looking.
kEvin
>BORDERLANDS (an interesting game set in prehistory, but that needed more work.
> I worked on alternate rules but couldn't get any that worked. Anyone else
> try?
The rules work well as is, in my opinion. I like the game, and think it's
a good, quick wargame.
It's possible we have different interpretations. Where did the rules
breakdown when you played?
kEvin