How to pronounce "Guderian"?
Shiro KONO
commander in WWII.
I do know it is a German name, however, precise pronunciation expected.
In playing board games, this matter always bothering me. :-)
http://littlepeas.hp.infoseek.co.jp/guderian.gif
Which is right? A, B, or else?
Thank you,
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Shiro KONO e-mail: ai...@mwa.biglobe.ne.jp.delhere
Peter Huebner
a...@mwa.biglobe.ne.jp.delhere says...
> Let me know how to pronounce "Guderian" for Heinz Guderian, the German
> commander in WWII.
> I do know it is a German name, however, precise pronunciation expected.
> In playing board games, this matter always bothering me. :-)
>
> http://littlepeas.hp.infoseek.co.jp/guderian.gif
>
> Which is right? A, B, or else?
> Thank you,
Goo:deh ri aahn accent could be on the first or second syllable, most
likely second. Vowel in the last syllable as the a in 'last' or 'bath'
(English, not American), definitely not the schwah as indicated in the
link you provided. And Heinz is pronounced Heintz b.t.w.
-Peter
Michel Boucher
news:cpftle$mmt$1...@bgsv5647.tk.mesh.ad.jp:
> Let me know how to pronounce "Guderian" for Heinz Guderian, the
> German commander in WWII.
> I do know it is a German name, however, precise pronunciation
> expected. In playing board games, this matter always bothering me.
> :-)
>
> http://littlepeas.hp.infoseek.co.jp/guderian.gif
>
> Which is right? A, B, or else?
> Thank you,
Considering who he worked for, it is ironic that it sounds almost
exactly like "Good Aryan" :-)
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The Maverick
>
> Goo:deh ri aahn accent could be on the first or second syllable, most
> likely second.
I seem to recall a rule in German about accents being on the second
syllable.
the Mav
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Peter Huebner
thema...@volcano.net says...
> Peter Huebner wrote:
> >
> > Goo:deh ri aahn accent could be on the first or second syllable, most
> > likely second.
>
> I seem to recall a rule in German about accents being on the second
> syllable.
>
> the Mav
No, sorry - German is much less predictable than English in that
respect. In fact if I just let my brain run a stream of verbiage,
I come to the conclusion that a majority of long words seem to have the
accent on the first syllable.
Autobahn
Esstisch {dining table}
Wasserkraft {hydropower}
Weberknecht {daddy long legs}
but you get seconds
Gewerbe {trade}
Amoebe
and thirds
Katastrophe
Add to that the uncertainty of regional dialects ;-) and the fact that
Proper Names do fly in the face of convention at times ... but I'd go
with second syllable in the case of Guderian.
In fact, if he had the accent on the first or third syllable, the
pronounciation would change considerably, now that I come to think of it
- the 'ian' would be pronounced 'jahn' where the 'j' sounds like the y
in yeast.
-Peter (German was my first language for 27 years <g>, for the last 24
it's been English)
Mik Svellov
And the name is a abstraction of the German words "Guter Johann" = good
John.
Mik
Michael Abramowski
>
> In article <Ef%ud.57836$QJ3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
> thema...@volcano.net says...
> > Peter Huebner wrote:
> > >
> > > Goo:deh ri aahn accent could be on the first or second syllable, most
> > > likely second.
> >
> > I seem to recall a rule in German about accents being on the second
> > syllable.
> >
> > the Mav
>
> No, sorry - German is much less predictable than English in that
> respect. In fact if I just let my brain run a stream of verbiage,
> I come to the conclusion that a majority of long words seem to have the
> accent on the first syllable.
>
> Autobahn
> Esstisch {dining table}
> Wasserkraft {hydropower}
> Weberknecht {daddy long legs}
I'd like to point out that all these examples are consisting of two
short words combined, with the first part of the word having the stress
on the first syllable. Guderian does not seem to be made up of two words
to me, so I would put the stress on the "antepenultima", or in this case
the second syllable.
Cheers,
Michael
P.S.: Heinz is such a typical German first name that for ages, I thought
Heinz ketchup was originally from Germany...
The Maverick
>
> No, sorry - German is much less predictable than English in that
> respect.
But more predictable in most other respects! ;-)
Peter Huebner
thema...@volcano.net says...
> Peter Huebner wrote:
> >
> > No, sorry - German is much less predictable than English in that
> > respect.
>
> But more predictable in most other respects! ;-)
>
> the Mav
My favourite Mark Twain quote: "I'd rather decline a beer than a German
adjective". <g>
-Peter
Drazen Kramaric
>
>And the name is a abstraction of the German words "Guter Johann" = good
>John.
Guderian is an Armenic name and general's ancestors had Armenian origins.
Drax
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Mik Svellov
Drax:
> Guderian is an Armenic name and general's ancestors had Armenian origins.
http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=3665
Mik
Drazen Kramaric
So, you have two people arguing about this with one asking a question
and the other giving his personal opinion. I do wonder how should a
person look like in order to be accepted as "Armenian" and why
exactly, Guderian did not satisfy the requirements for being Armenian.
His family was Prussian and during Polish campaign, Guderian led some
of his units through his hometown, but his family name was not
Prussian. It wasn't Polish either, It wasn't Russian.
Take a look at Armenian names and than argue that "Guderian" isn't
remotely an Armenian name.
Drax
Peter Huebner
draxNEV...@post.htnet.hr says...
> So, you have two people arguing about this with one asking a question
> and the other giving his personal opinion. I do wonder how should a
> person look like in order to be accepted as "Armenian" and why
> exactly, Guderian did not satisfy the requirements for being Armenian.
>
> His family was Prussian and during Polish campaign, Guderian led some
> of his units through his hometown, but his family name was not
> Prussian. It wasn't Polish either, It wasn't Russian.
>
> Take a look at Armenian names and than argue that "Guderian" isn't
> remotely an Armenian name.
>
>
> Drax
But what's the point? Just because David Lange has a German [sounding]
name (one of his grandfathers, or maybe great-grandfathers was German)
doesn't mean that the guy has anything German about him. Nor would the
Germans claim him as their own (with maybe the exception of certain
political/philosophical cronies of Guderian who think that Germans
made/invented everything from flint arrow heads to space travel).
The guy was a Nazi, or sympathiser at the very least (there are several
good biographies about him on the net, if you care to google) and a
German panzer general; and his name sure isn't going to make him an
Armenian or Congolese or whatever.
-Peter
Drazen Kramaric
<no....@this.address> wrote:
>But what's the point?
The point was to show how his name had nothing to do with "Good John"
or similar.
>The guy was a Nazi, or sympathiser at the very least (there are several
>good biographies about him on the net, if you care to google) and a
>German panzer general; and his name sure isn't going to make him an
>Armenian or Congolese or whatever.
I simply stated his name was Armenian and some of his ancestors were
probably Armenians. I never said Guderian was or felt himself anything
but German. After all, Galland was no less German by having French
Hugenot ancestry or pilot ace Nowotny whose name was Czech or for
example general Falkenhorst birthname Jastrbzemsky that is Polish.
Some of the high ranking SS generals had un-German names as well like
Globocnik (Slovenian) or Zelewski (Polish). This doesn't make them
less German, it only points to the interesting genealogy.
Drax
Peter Huebner
draxNEV...@post.htnet.hr says...
> >But what's the point?
>
> The point was to show how his name had nothing to do with "Good John"
> or similar.
>
Point taken :-)
-Peter