Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
Thorbjörn Engdahl
Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
I'm buying one of them as a b-day gift for a friend. Fast with not too much
brainburn is good...
Grateful for advise,
/thor
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Thorbjörn Engdahl
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Walter Mulder
be Medici. There's one straight forward bidding mechanic versus the
different auction choices of Modern Art. Also, the theme of Medici (bidding
on mercantile goods vs. art) appeals to me more. It might just boil down to
personal preference for your friend, though I'd be happy to get either one
as a gift. Also, Medici plays with six players well, where Modern Art was
designed for five, but can be modified to play with six. WM.
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suggest Ra instead. Much lighter, much faster, still an iteresting auction
mechanic, and a lot of fun.
Xa4
excellent games.
it seems modern art got slightly even better reviews though
Xavier
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<thor_engdahl_at_hotmail.com> wrote:
> Simple question(?):
> Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
> I'm buying one of them as a b-day gift for a friend. Fast with not too
> much
> brainburn is good...
>
> Grateful for advise,
Medici - or Kuhhandel
Dweeb
>Simple question(?):
>Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
I prefer Modern Art because the strategies are just a bit less obvious. I
love how an artist can be scoffed at early in a round and then command great
interest just a few plays later. This has been one of my favorites for
several years.
You might also want to check our Money or Ra. The Knizia bidding games are
all pretty good, and it is worth trying them all despite the mechanical
similarities between them.
Steffan O'Sullivan
>Simple question(?):
>Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
>I'm buying one of them as a b-day gift for a friend. Fast with not too much
>brainburn is good...
Medici is a better game (IMO) closer to that description than Modern
Art. But I wouldn't say your last sentence describes either game
at all. If you want a fast auction game with not too much brainburn,
go with Stefan Dorra's FOR SALE - I have a review of it (see the URL
below).
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Christian Killoran
The difference is that when we play, Medici is usually a quiet "cerebral"
experience while Modern Art is a loud, gavel-banging party!
Given that, I prefer Modern Art.
"Thorbjörn Engdahl" <thor_e...@hotmail.com> wrote
Geenius at Wrok
> "Thorbjörn Engdahl" wrote:
>
> > Simple question(?):
> > Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
> > I'm buying one of them as a b-day gift for a friend. Fast with not too much
> > brainburn is good...
>
> Neither one is fast OR without much brainburn. If yoou're looking for that, Id
> suggest Ra instead. Much lighter, much faster, still an iteresting auction
> mechanic, and a lot of fun.
NO! No, no, no, no, God, no! Medici is a simple, stripped-down auction
and set-collection game. Modern Art throws in variation in auction style
and makes it possible for you to score points by selling items as well as
by buying them. Ra is a mystifying, irrational exercise with a totally
arbitrary scoring system that ends up resembling a cross between Yahtzee
and a 1040 form. How can people recommend this game to beginners in good
conscience?
Personally, of the three, I'd recommend Modern Art to beginners, because
it's less abstract than Medici. On the other hand, if you want to go all
the way in the other direction, Flinke Pinke, a.k.a. Quandary, is the
totally bare-bones implementation of the same idea.
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David Fontes
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> NO! No, no, no, no, God, no! Medici is a simple, stripped-down auction
> and set-collection game. Modern Art throws in variation in auction style
> and makes it possible for you to score points by selling items as well as
> by buying them. Ra is a mystifying, irrational exercise with a totally
> arbitrary scoring system that ends up resembling a cross between Yahtzee
> and a 1040 form. How can people recommend this game to beginners in good
> conscience?
Well, having introduced my wife to dozens of games that I thought would
appeal to a non-gamer yet still be interesting for a gamer, Ra is one of the
very few that she will actually suggest to play on occasion (usually by
raising her fist in the air and yelling "Ra!"), so obviously, to each his
(or her) own. One thing, you absolutely MUST play Ra with the nice
full-color player aid mats available on BGG. These go a long way towards
demystifying the "arbitrary scoring system."
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"Thorbjörn Engdahl" wrote:
> Simple question(?):
> Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
> I'm buying one of them as a b-day gift for a friend. Fast with not too much
> brainburn is good...
I would say it depends on the friend. In my opinion, both games are
excellent. Modern Art is definitely a more attractive game to non-gamers, and
I don't know how many of your friend's social circle are non-gamers.
I think I enjoy Medici more than Modern Art, but that shouldn't be viewed as a
knock. I think there's a little less brainburn in Medici because all of the
information is public. In Modern Art, you have more direct influence over
which cards come into play, but your cash is hidden (and most cash is the
ultimate victory condition). It's pretty easy to see a clear leader in Medici,
but in Modern Art, it is often less clear.
-JW
Eddy Bee
> designed for five, but can be modified to play with six. WM.
Although we love the game, Modern Art does not get played by my group
as often as we'd like because we usually have more than five players
present.
What's the best recommendation for modifying Moderan Art so it can
accommodate six players? And is seven a realistic possibility?
Thanks very much,
-Eddy Bee
Christopher Bourassa
I didn't even know that this player aid existed for Ra. Thank you very much for
pointing it out, David. I definitely believe that this could help new players
to understand the game pieces better.
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Thorbjörn Engdahl
Thank you for the comments on the player mats - I made them...
:)
Thorbjörn Engdahl
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> > (or her) own. One thing, you absolutely MUST play Ra with the nice
> > full-color player aid mats available on BGG. These go a long way towards
> > demystifying the "arbitrary scoring system."
> I didn't even know that this player aid existed for Ra. Thank you very
Richard Vickery
>Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
>I'm buying one of them as a b-day gift for a friend. Fast with not too much
>brainburn is good...
I prefer Modern Art. It has more brain-burn, but can be funnier with the
auctioning process, and feels better themed. With more players 5-6 I would
have to give Medici the nod.
Cheers
RichardV
Thorbjörn Engdahl
The player mats for Ra are made after the original design by Phil Dutré. I
just made it full color... :)
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Thorbjörn Engdahl
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> Thank you for the comments on the player mats - I made them...
Peter Clinch
>
> I don't want to steal the full credits for the player mats, so:
> The player mats for Ra are made after the original design by Phil Dutré. I
> just made it full color... :)
Thanks to both of you: just printed out 5 copies as if we get 5 folk at
Friday's session Ra is looking like the thing. Only played it once so
far, and remembering the scoring/translating the German aide-memoir on
the board if you're on the wrong corner was a bit of a hack at times.
Pete.
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Thorbjörn Engdahl
I bought Modern Art for my friend, and we all had a blast playing it.
Another friend has since ordered a copy of Modern Art, and I have ordered
Medici from Germany.
I found Modern Art to be fast, highly influenced by skill, still fun for
beginners, well themed and a lot of fun. Easy rules and about an hour to
play. One play impressions...
/Thor
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Thorbjörn Engdahl
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Walter Mulder
> What's the best recommendation for modifying Moderan Art so it can
> accommodate six players? And is seven a realistic possibility?
>
there are only 70 in the deck. That means you'd have to take 2 previously
discarded cards. I"ve played with the 6, 3, 2, 0 version of the card deal
and it worked well. Cheers. Walt M.
Eric Gorr
> Simple question(?):
> Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
It depends. Personally, I think Medici has far more in common with a
game like RA then Modern Art.
I do enjoy Modern Art and RA, but not Medici, if for no other reason
then it just seems to take longer then RA and be a far more complicated
game then it needs to be (again, see RA).
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Mark Edwards
> Thorbjörn Engdahl <thor_e...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Simple question(?):
> > Which is best- Modern Art or Medici?
>
> It depends. Personally, I think Medici has far more in common with a
> game like RA then Modern Art.
>
> I do enjoy Modern Art and RA, but not Medici, if for no other reason
> then it just seems to take longer then RA and be a far more complicated
> game then it needs to be (again, see RA).
I must have a weak spot for Knizia's auction games as I enjoy all of
them quite a bit. Ra, Medici, Modern Art, High Society, Traumfabrik are all
excellent (IMHO of course), and I even like Money with it's blind bidding
(which I usually dislike). Don't buy just one, but em all! ;-)
Mark
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I agree that Ra scoring is odd (and I'll second the compliments for the
player aid mats). However, Ra is a good beginner auction game for two
reasons - the bidding is once-around, so doesn't drag, and the bidding
is fixed to the value "suns" you have in hand, so the decisions are much
easier. With Modern Art, beginners are somewhat lost about whether a
painting is worth 15, or 16, or 22 - the freedom to choose a bid leads to
paralysis. With Ra, it's easier to see who might beat your bid, leading
to easier decision making. Not that decisions are obvious - that's why
experience matters in Ra, but that's also why I'll play Ra again and again.
RogerACox
in a tournament with someone at the table who is really making the game painful
to play. You may not be able to win the game, but you can darn sure make sure
that the perturbing opponent doesn't advance. Some call this a Kingmaker-type
game. I don't know if it's meant to be deroggatory or not, but in my opinion,
it's a plus.
Sightreader
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> Hey, what is BGG?
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