Rail Baron Rules Question
Todd Lewis
Baron. I'm on a trip from Baltimore to Miami. I am established on the SAL
(the only railroad that goes to Miami), when my wife decides to purchase
that railroad. Now, I know that I'm only required to pay her $1000/turn
since I've already established myself on this railroad.
My next destination turns out to be Dallas (long trip, I know). The
question is: what happens after I arrive in Miami? Since I have a new
destination, do I start paying her $5000/turn? I have a friend who says
that I should indeed start paying the higher rate. However, the rules state
that you only forfeit the lower rate if you leave that particular railroad,
use another line, and then return to the railroad on which you were
previously established. Since the SAL is the only railroad in to and out of
Miami, I contend that I should only pay her $1000/turn, regardless of my
destination.
Note, this same question would apply for people trying to get to Las Vegas
on the UP, Portland, ME on the B&M, etc.
Very respectfully,
Todd
Mark Jackson
destination, you go "off-line". So, you would pay $5,000 per turn from then on.
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Mark Jackson
Nashville, TN
Gary Heidenreich
: Here's the scenario: my wife and I are in the middle of a game of Rail
: Baron. I'm on a trip from Baltimore to Miami. I am established on the SAL
: (the only railroad that goes to Miami), when my wife decides to purchase
: that railroad. Now, I know that I'm only required to pay her $1000/turn
: since I've already established myself on this railroad.
In my interpretation of the rules, we (my gaming group) pay the bank $1,000
a turn, even though they bought the rail while I was on it.
: My next destination turns out to be Dallas (long trip, I know). The
: question is: what happens after I arrive in Miami? Since I have a new
: destination, do I start paying her $5000/turn? I have a friend who says
: that I should indeed start paying the higher rate. However, the rules state
: that you only forfeit the lower rate if you leave that particular railroad,
: use another line, and then return to the railroad on which you were
: previously established. Since the SAL is the only railroad in to and out of
: Miami, I contend that I should only pay her $1000/turn, regardless of my
: destination.
: Note, this same question would apply for people trying to get to Las Vegas
: on the UP, Portland, ME on the B&M, etc.
: Very respectfully,
: Todd
We play that you would pay her the $5,000/turn when leaving Miami.
Gary Heidenreich
R. Maker
>
> We've always played (some 18 years now) that when you arrive at your
> destination, you go "off-line". So, you would pay $5,000 per turn from then on.
The rules of Boxcars, the "original" of Rail Baron, support this.
Except, if you have a bonus roll coming, you get to use that without
further payment.
Ross
Kevin & Peggy Whitmore
rate of $1,000 to the new owner. You continue to pay this lower rate until
you leave the railroad; not upon arrival to your destination.
By the way I have been playing the computer version, Rail Baron Player.
This is what the computer does as well. In fact if you are at a junction,
you can start a journey on a newly purchased railroad at the lower rate.
(e.g. I am in Chicago and someone else purchases the CRIP, I can begin a
journey upon the CRIP at $1,000 per turn.)
Happy Rails!
Kevin Whitmore
> Here's the scenario: my wife and I are in the middle of a game of Rail
> Baron. I'm on a trip from Baltimore to Miami. I am established on the
SAL
> (the only railroad that goes to Miami), when my wife decides to purchase
> that railroad. Now, I know that I'm only required to pay her $1000/turn
> since I've already established myself on this railroad.
>
Todd Lewis
"USER FEES
4) Special: If the penalty for using a rail line goes up while you are on a
dot that that rail line runs into, then you are "established" on that rail
line and continue to pay the old penalty for as long as you continue to use
that rail line. As soon as you use another rail line to move from dot to
dot, however, you are no longer "established" and you must pay the new, full
penalty to use that rail line after that."
I've scoured the other sections pertaining to "Moving," "Ending a Trip," and
"Payoffs," but there doesn't appear to be any specific reference to losing
your "established" status once you reach a destination.
I'm not quite sure why you mention the "boxcars" rule. If you reach a
destination without using your Bonus Roll, then you get to determine a new
destination, roll the blue die, and move the appropriate number of spaces
towards that new destination (covered in "The Bonus Roll" section under
"Moving"). Then there is this excerpt from "User Fees:"
"You can pay no more than one penalty to each player on the same turn--so if
you move along a rail line that you are "established" on, and then move
along a new rail line that is owned by the same player, you pay that player
only one penalty--the $5000 (or $10,000) penalty to use all his rail lines."
This combination of rules usually means that if I reach my destination
"without my bonus," that I can then egress using the same rail lines without
paying a second user fee. I essentially get that first roll towards my new
destination "free of charge," assuming that I use the same rail line that I
used to enter the city, or a rail line that belongs to the bank if I've
already paid a fee for using a bank-owned rail line prior to reaching my
destination.
The "boxcars" rule does not appear to cover the situation of losing
"established" status on a rail line after you reach your destination. In
fact, if you're playing by the "going off-line" convention, you should pay
the owner $5000 for that turn--the more expensive of the two user fees!
Now, I will tell you that in the game with my wife, I own a Superchief. I
had arrived in Miami without my bonus, rolled Dallas as my next destination,
and rolled a "3" on my bonus roll. The closest linkage between the SAL and
the ACL is four dots from Miami. I was one dot from making this question
moot in practice! However, I do realize that this situation could happen in
future games, and so I wanted to bring it up to this forum.
I'm not saying that your practices of "going off-line" when you reach your
destinations are wrong, just that they appear to be a convention you've used
that isn't strictly supported. What do you think?
Very respectfully,
Todd
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ghe...@post.its.mcw.edu (Gary Heidenreich) wrote:
> Todd Lewis (nospam.t...@home.com) wrote:
> : Here's the scenario: my wife and I are in the middle of a game of Rail
> : Baron. I'm on a trip from Baltimore to Miami. I am established on the SAL
> : (the only railroad that goes to Miami), when my wife decides to purchase
> : that railroad. Now, I know that I'm only required to pay her $1000/turn
> : since I've already established myself on this railroad.
>
> a turn, even though they bought the rail while I was on it.
>
> : My next destination turns out to be Dallas (long trip, I know). The
> : question is: what happens after I arrive in Miami? Since I have a new
> : destination, do I start paying her $5000/turn? I have a friend who says
> : that I should indeed start paying the higher rate. However, the rules state
> : that you only forfeit the lower rate if you leave that particular railroad,
> : use another line, and then return to the railroad on which you were
> : previously established. Since the SAL is the only railroad in to and out of
> : Miami, I contend that I should only pay her $1000/turn, regardless of my
> : destination.
>
> : on the UP, Portland, ME on the B&M, etc.
>
> : Very respectfully,
>
> : Todd
>
> We play that you would pay her the $5,000/turn when leaving Miami.
>
Once again, this in incorrect. Once you are established, you can ride the
rail for $1000 per turn as long as one does not leave the rail. If one leaves
the rail (even for 1 space during a turn) the rate jumps up to $5000 per
turn. The same applies when all the rails are bought and the rates jump to
$10000. Once established on a rail line, you stay at the lower rate until you
leave. Note if you go from one rail line to another and both are owned by the
same person, you owe them the higher rate.
> Gary Heidenreich
>
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Todd Lewis
From my reading of the rules, I tend to agree with your interpretation.
Interesting point about junctions, and I think you're right in this regard
as well! Of course, if someone has to go to Portland, ME and you purchase
the B&M while she's still in the middle of the NYC, then sour grapes! >:)
Very respectfully,
Todd
Kevin & Peggy Whitmore <whit...@swcp.com> wrote in message
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R. Maker
>
> I'm not quite sure why you mention the "boxcars" rule.
> I'm not saying that your practices of "going off-line" when you reach your
> destinations are wrong, just that they appear to be a convention you've used
> that isn't strictly supported. What do you think?
"Boxcars" was the title under which the game was originally published
(before AH). In that edition, reaching your destination did
"disestablish" you, except for the bonus roll rule. Clearly, the AH
revision is mute on this point, but implies that disestablishment does
NOT occur. Whether this was a deliberate omission, an editorial
oversight, or a typo is open to conjecture.
Ross
Steve J. Chapin
We've always played that you pay $1,000 until you leave the rail;
reaching a destination does not qualify as leaving the rail. Once the
rail is bought, the $1,000 goes to the new owner instead of the bank.
cha...@cs.virginia.edu Steve Chapin Today's Usage Lesson:
Let's hope the usher lets us in.
"A man has made at least a start on discovering the meaning of
human life when he plants shade trees under which he knows full
well he will never sit." (Elton Trueblood)
Klaus Ole Kristiansen
>Todd, In my group we play it this way: Once established, you pay the lower
>rate of $1,000 to the new owner. You continue to pay this lower rate until
>you leave the railroad; not upon arrival to your destination.
>By the way I have been playing the computer version, Rail Baron Player.
>This is what the computer does as well. In fact if you are at a junction,
>you can start a journey on a newly purchased railroad at the lower rate.
>(e.g. I am in Chicago and someone else purchases the CRIP, I can begin a
>journey upon the CRIP at $1,000 per turn.)
This is what the rules say. If you are standing on a railroad when it
is bought, you pay only 1000 until you leave it.
Klaus O K