Changing dice

[illium]

Hi All

What's the procedure for changing/choosing dice in a tournament?. Is it
considered rude to ask for the dice to be changed?, and how do you do it
without upsetting an opponent?

Thanks in advance.

William Hill

[Julian]

In article <B10CDDB99...@whills.demon.co.uk>, illium
<ill...@whills.demon.co.uk> writes

>What's the procedure for changing/choosing dice in a tournament?. Is it
>considered rude to ask for the dice to be changed?, and how do you do it
>without upsetting an opponent?

It is a matter of local rules, but usually you have the right to ask for
the dice to be changed at the end of any game (but not within a game,
barring exceptional circumstances). If precision dice are not being
used, you are entitled to ask for some - which is perfectly acceptable,
and indeed it is very unusual to find tournament players other than the
occasional novice who don't have any. If precision dice are being used,
it is more tricky. If it's just that you're having an unlucky stretch,
and that changing them will help, you should get a grip on yourself
because you may well be starting to steam. If you suspect that the
precision dice are rigged, you need a *very* good reason for your
suspicions to avoid upsetting your opponent in the event you are wrong.

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[ch...@1acr.com]

On Sun, 15 Feb 1998 18:00:25 +0000, ill...@whills.demon.co.uk (illium)
wrote:

>Hi All

>
>What's the procedure for changing/choosing dice in a tournament?. Is it
>considered rude to ask for the dice to be changed?, and how do you do it
>without upsetting an opponent?
>

>Thanks in advance.
>
>William Hill
>
>
>

Forget your opponent's feelings, it is your right to ask for a
change....

Chuck

[Paul Ferguson]

In article <34e83b10....@news.blkbox.com> , ch...@1acr.com writes:
>>Hi All
>>
>>What's the procedure for changing/choosing dice in a tournament?. Is it
>>considered rude to ask for the dice to be changed?, and how do you do it
>>without upsetting an opponent?
>>
>>

>Forget your opponent's feelings, it is your right to ask for a
>change....
>
>Chuck

I have found some players like to change dice between games in
an attempt to unsettle their opponent--an example of gamesmanship
that I find utterly ridiculous. It speaks more about the requestor's
personality than anything about the dice.

I've also played people who insist on "splitting" the dice (e.g.
each player plays with one red die and one green die). Again,
I see this as nothing more than a lame attempt to control or
intimidate an opponent.

When you recognize these ploys for what they are, they are less
likely to have the intended affect.

//fergy

[Alexander Nitschke]

Paul Ferguson wrote:
>
> I have found some players like to change dice between games in
> an attempt to unsettle their opponent--an example of gamesmanship
> that I find utterly ridiculous. It speaks more about the requestor's
> personality than anything about the dice.
>

I too think that dice changes are unneccessary, but it is allowed to
request this.

>
> I've also played people who insist on "splitting" the dice (e.g.
> each player plays with one red die and one green die). Again,
> I see this as nothing more than a lame attempt to control or
> intimidate an opponent.
>

Here I must object. Splitting dice is a regular pratice at tournaments.
The background: It is assumed that both players have two dice with
identical color. Now the four dice get mixed up and both players draw
one dice of each color. With this procedure it is very difficult to get
an advantage with loaded dice. As you can easily see, this leads to
splitted dice. And even if all four dice are from one player it is very
useful to take pairs of two dice of a color and split colors. It is easy
to see that this way it is more difficult for a cheater to get the
'better' dice.

This is all overly cautious, I have to admit it. But think about it:
Wouldn't you rather take such routine measures to defend against
cheating with dice?

[John Goodwin]

On 16 Feb 1998 17:20:31 GMT, Paul Ferguson <fe...@nospam.com> wrote:

>In article <34e83b10....@news.blkbox.com> , ch...@1acr.com writes:
>>>Hi All
>>>
>>>What's the procedure for changing/choosing dice in a tournament?. Is it
>>>considered rude to ask for the dice to be changed?, and how do you do it
>>>without upsetting an opponent?
>>>
>>>
>>Forget your opponent's feelings, it is your right to ask for a
>>change....
>>
>>Chuck
>

>I have found some players like to change dice between games in
>an attempt to unsettle their opponent--an example of gamesmanship
>that I find utterly ridiculous. It speaks more about the requestor's
>personality than anything about the dice.
>

>I've also played people who insist on "splitting" the dice (e.g.
>each player plays with one red die and one green die). Again,
>I see this as nothing more than a lame attempt to control or
>intimidate an opponent.
>

>When you recognize these ploys for what they are, they are less
>likely to have the intended affect.

It's also a good idea to practise a slight, patronising, smirk in
front of the mirror from time to time. Comes in very handy for such
occasions.

J.G.

[Paul Ferguson]

In article <34E8AD5B...@ww.tu-berlin.de> Alexander Nitschke,

alexander...@ww.tu-berlin.de writes:
>This is all overly cautious, I have to admit it. But think about it:
>Wouldn't you rather take such routine measures to defend against
>cheating with dice?
>

Point taken. Certainly in a game where the stakes are significant
this is important. I have found that some people carry this over
into casual play as well, either from habit or from an intent to
unsettle their opponent.

//fergy