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# More about Table Stake Backgammon (on TrueMoneyGames in this case...)

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### Hugh McNeil

Sep 18, 2002, 8:56:51 PM9/18/02
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I sat down at a table advertising 30 points... and an opponent invited me to
play, but he had only 6 points.

With table stakes play, and assuming equal talent, am I actually risking
more than she was? This might seem like a simpleton question to the poker
players here...

### Christhecat01

Sep 18, 2002, 10:20:31 PM9/18/02
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what am i missing here? people play for money using computer dice must be a
sucker born every minute

### Carlo Melzi

Sep 19, 2002, 10:35:03 AM9/19/02
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"Hugh McNeil" <tall...@sympatico.ca> wrote :

No, you are not.

At the beginning of each single game, you cannot lose more than your
opponent can afford, so actually if the cube reaches 8 you both will
be playing for just 6 points. This is fair to both players.

From the point of view of the entire session, supposing that:

1) neither of you is going to carry more money to the table
2) you are going to play until one of you finishes his money

you are actually risking more money than your opponent, but you are
much more likey not lo lose it.

Precisely, given equal skills, you are a 30/36 favourite to get his
money, and he is a 6/36 favorite to get yours.

As in poker, having a smaller stack means to be risking less but to be
much more likely to lose.

Hope this was what you were asking.

My best regards,
Carlo Melzi

### qwerrk

Sep 19, 2002, 1:42:51 PM9/19/02
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christ...@aol.com (Christhecat01) wrote in message news:<20020918222031...@mb-cr.aol.com>...

> what am i missing here? people play for money using computer dice must be a
> sucker born every minute

Missing? well, the point for one thing....to elaborate on Gregg's
question, he describes a situation where you join a \$1/pt table with
\$30 and get an opponent who has just \$6. In the 1st game, the cube
goes to 4 and you gammon your opponent -- they lose \$6, not \$8
(obviously, u can't bleed a turnip). I believe what Gregg wants to
know is, if HE loses a gammon at 4, does he pay out \$8 or just \$6? A
related question would be: can the player w/ \$6 even double to 4? With
the cube at 2, the potential risk is already \$6, offering or accepting
a 4 cube carries a liability that exceeds \$6 in the event of a G or
BG....certainly a player with just \$6 couldn't double to 8, could
they?

At TMG, I believe \$10 is the minimum you can bring to a \$1 table, but
if you start with player A with \$30 and player B with \$10 and B
proceeds to lose \$4, you then arrive at the earlier situation anyway
and in that case, personally, I would ask my opponent if they would
like to add additional \$'s to their stake before starting a new game.
If they are unwilling, I would be reluctant to continue because I
would feel at a disadvantage, i.e., more to lose than I can gain.

TR Hanlon

"Cry Havock, and let slip the dogs of war."
Shakespeare, Julius Cęsar, iii, 1

"Roll me another one, just like the other one."
Little Feat

### Hugh McNeil

Sep 19, 2002, 3:17:27 PM9/19/02
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Actually, my name is Hugh...

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### kiwikiwi

Sep 20, 2002, 12:21:25 AM9/20/02
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You cant win more than he can lose and vice versa(limit). It is true
that it is possible for your opponent to win 30 units while u can only
win 6 from him, but his risk of ruin is much greater while your risk
of ruin is much smaller. if you both are equal opponents its a zero
expectation game (fee not included).

"Hugh McNeil" <tall...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<Af9i9.3448\$Ox4.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>...