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Williampatte
Dec 2, 2016, 6:34:00 AM12/2/16
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It is quite obvious to me that Stick does not give a chit wether his forum is on or off. If he has made an effort to try to restore his forum is not known. But I doubt that he has tried. Not even a post anywhere about what is wrong and why it has not been restored.Several people have emailed him about it but as usual with him no response. I do not believe that anyone should bother to even go back to it even if it does get restored, which I doubt will happen as he does not give a chit,I recommend not going back to it.People like Stick who do not care that much about Backgammon should leave the game entirely. All he likes to do is brag about his so-called knowledge of the game. Let him stay with tennis and poker, we do not need him.
Paul
Dec 2, 2016, 7:05:54 AM12/2/16
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On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 11:34:00 AM UTC, Williampatte wrote:
> It is quite obvious to me that Stick does not give a chit wether his forum is on or off. [Childish rant about a free service continues...]
If so, he's quite right not to care. He's a professional bg and poker player and he should focus on the activities that bring him money.
He is very generous with his time. For example, if you pay for an hour's tutoring with him, you are likely to end up with 90 minutes tutoring, but
billed only for an hour.
Re "so-called" knowledge, practical knowledge can be measured objectively,
via ER, and I think Stick does well by that measure.
Paul
> It is quite obvious to me that Stick does not give a chit wether his forum is on or off. [Childish rant about a free service continues...]
If so, he's quite right not to care. He's a professional bg and poker player and he should focus on the activities that bring him money.
He is very generous with his time. For example, if you pay for an hour's tutoring with him, you are likely to end up with 90 minutes tutoring, but
billed only for an hour.
Re "so-called" knowledge, practical knowledge can be measured objectively,
via ER, and I think Stick does well by that measure.
Paul
Williampatte
Dec 2, 2016, 9:01:28 AM12/2/16
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kee...@gmail.com
Dec 3, 2016, 12:47:12 AM12/3/16
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Apples and oranges. Phil does many positive things for newcomers, stick does other things.
Grunty
Dec 3, 2016, 11:10:14 AM12/3/16
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On Friday, December 2, 2016, 6:34:00 (UTC-5), Williampatte wrote:
> It is quite obvious to me that Stick does not give a chit wether his forum is on or off. If he has made an effort to try to restore his forum is not known. But I doubt that he has tried. Not even a post anywhere about what is wrong and why it has not been restored.
Not knowing real details on the issue, I would not be so assertive.
> It is quite obvious to me that Stick does not give a chit wether his forum is on or off. If he has made an effort to try to restore his forum is not known. But I doubt that he has tried. Not even a post anywhere about what is wrong and why it has not been restored.
Nonetheless, I read at the bottom of his homepage:
"BGonline.org Forums is maintained by Stick"
So he owes that to the community he gathered.
At least, a brief explanation of the state of the issue and perspectives of solution.
Not that he values rgb much, however he drops by and says, "I will outlive rgb." ("Asylum seekers" thread)
As things look so far, only thing he's going to outlive is his own forum.
Paul
Dec 4, 2016, 6:47:18 AM12/4/16
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the other elements -- for example opening roll analysis etc. -- work as
previously.
A wild guess but could it be that Stick was worried about libel/slander
issues? Some comments in the message board can be very personal.
Sorting out which messages are inappropriate would be extremely
time-consuming -- there are around 200 000 of them.
Paul
bananab...@gmail.com
Dec 4, 2016, 8:02:13 AM12/4/16
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When I said in another thread "I will outlive ..." I meant the site, aka the forums, not me personally. I didn't think my statement was ambiguous but guess it was.
Never have I been worried about libel/slander. Other than the law being on my side for simply hosting the forums, nobody is going to waste their time and money going after someone legally for something they said on online backgammon forums.
Stick
michae...@gmail.com
Dec 4, 2016, 8:45:30 AM12/4/16
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I think it's about time you swallow your pride and firstly explain to your forum members what the problem with your forum is. And secondly if you need some help to restore it, be it programming/code expertise or anything else just ask for it. 10s of people would be willing to help.
michae...@gmail.com
Dec 4, 2016, 8:51:50 AM12/4/16
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Has it been attacked using a malicious code?! I know someone who would loooove to kill both yours and this forum ;-)
bananab...@gmail.com
Dec 4, 2016, 9:41:53 AM12/4/16
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I'm just lazy ... and an asshole. I don't see why I would owe anyone anything though I have replied to plenty of requests to know what's going on via email, on Facebook obviously, and in person at the Vegas tournament. Has anyone on here actually nicely asked what's going on? Maybe I missed a post, wasn't around for a while, but I don't remember seeing one. BlueDice pointed out the forums were down at one point and he emailed me and had a response.
Stick
michae...@gmail.com
Dec 4, 2016, 4:45:14 PM12/4/16
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On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 4:41:53 PM UTC+2, bananab...@gmail.com wrote:
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>
> Pride about what? I asked for someone to help fix it weeks ago on Facebook where I'm friends with hundreds of bg players most of who visit the forums. The overall reply was crickets or a person or two who know less about it than I do willing to help.
>
> I'm just lazy ...
Well, it depends what kind of help you asked for.
>
>
> Pride about what? I asked for someone to help fix it weeks ago on Facebook where I'm friends with hundreds of bg players most of who visit the forums. The overall reply was crickets or a person or two who know less about it than I do willing to help.
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> I'm just lazy ...
If it's manual work to restore 193,256 Messages then it's understandable why you got crickets.
If it's some sort of an automation process then most probably computer experts like M.Petch or other programmers who contribute to GNUbg could help
Williampatte
Dec 4, 2016, 4:52:20 PM12/4/16
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Williampatte
Dec 4, 2016, 5:00:32 PM12/4/16
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On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 4:52:20 PM UTC-5, Williampatte wrote:
> On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:34:00 AM UTC-5, Williampatte wrote:
> > It is quite obvious to me that Stick does not give a chit wether his forum is on or off. If he has made an effort to try to restore his forum is not known. But I doubt that he has tried. Not even a post anywhere about what is wrong and why it has not been restored.Several people have emailed him about it but as usual with him no response. I do not believe that anyone should bother to even go back to it even if it does get restored, which I doubt will happen as he does not give a chit,I recommend not going back to it.People like Stick who do not care that much about Backgammon should leave the game entirely. All he likes to do is brag about his so-called knowledge of the game. Let him stay with tennis and poker, we do not need him.
It is so obvious he does not show any interest in fixing the forum. I do not believe him when he said here on rgb that he has asked for help in whatever is wrong on facebook etc. Everyone deserves an answer on what is wrong but he will never reveal it. Forget about it, it will never be fixed.
> On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:34:00 AM UTC-5, Williampatte wrote:
> > It is quite obvious to me that Stick does not give a chit wether his forum is on or off. If he has made an effort to try to restore his forum is not known. But I doubt that he has tried. Not even a post anywhere about what is wrong and why it has not been restored.Several people have emailed him about it but as usual with him no response. I do not believe that anyone should bother to even go back to it even if it does get restored, which I doubt will happen as he does not give a chit,I recommend not going back to it.People like Stick who do not care that much about Backgammon should leave the game entirely. All he likes to do is brag about his so-called knowledge of the game. Let him stay with tennis and poker, we do not need him.
Paul
Dec 4, 2016, 5:31:32 PM12/4/16
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I don't think much of your attempt to follow his advice. It doesn't look
any less assertive than your previous emails. Keep trying.
Paul
mpetch
Dec 4, 2016, 7:49:05 PM12/4/16
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On Sunday, 4 December 2016 07:41:53 UTC-7, bananab...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Pride about what? I asked for someone to help fix it weeks ago on Facebook where I'm friends with hundreds of bg players most of who visit the forums. The overall reply was crickets or a person or two who know less about it than I do willing to help.
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I'm not on your Facebook so never saw it. If you need someone to look at it I may have the time to do so assuming no one else has come forward. If someone else has come forward then you can ignore this offer.
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> Pride about what? I asked for someone to help fix it weeks ago on Facebook where I'm friends with hundreds of bg players most of who visit the forums. The overall reply was crickets or a person or two who know less about it than I do willing to help.
>
I have played around with webbbs in the past (many moons ago) when I was trying to find a solution to an issue on your forum previously.
mpetch
Dec 5, 2016, 5:07:38 AM12/5/16
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Stick and I are trying to get the BGO forum functional again. We have made a number of changes. Please try accessing the forum and provide any feedback if you discover anything not functioning as it should. Please read the ADMIN message on the forum for specific instructions to display older messages.
Consider this a work in progress, there may still be issues.
Consider this a work in progress, there may still be issues.
bananab...@gmail.com
Dec 5, 2016, 7:55:54 AM12/5/16
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On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 5:07:38 AM UTC-5, mpetch wrote:
> Stick and I are trying to get the BGO forum functional again. We have made a number of changes. Please try accessing the forum and provide any feedback if you discover anything not functioning as it should. Please read the ADMIN message on the forum for specific instructions to display older messages.
>
> Consider this a work in progress, there may still be issues.
Michael is lying, but in a good way. "We" haven't done shit. *HE* has done everything. I handed everything over to him and he's doing all the work to get them working again. So any praise, patting on the back, or hate mail should be directed towards him.
> Stick and I are trying to get the BGO forum functional again. We have made a number of changes. Please try accessing the forum and provide any feedback if you discover anything not functioning as it should. Please read the ADMIN message on the forum for specific instructions to display older messages.
>
> Consider this a work in progress, there may still be issues.
Stick
Walt
Dec 5, 2016, 9:39:38 AM12/5/16
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On 12/5/2016 5:07 AM, mpetch wrote:
> Stick and I are trying to get the BGO forum functional again. We have made a number of changes. Please try accessing the forum and provide any feedback if you discover anything not functioning as it should. Please read the ADMIN message on the forum for specific instructions to display older messages.
>
> Consider this a work in progress, there may still be issues.
>
Thanks, Michael, and thanks also to Stick for creating the site and
> Stick and I are trying to get the BGO forum functional again. We have made a number of changes. Please try accessing the forum and provide any feedback if you discover anything not functioning as it should. Please read the ADMIN message on the forum for specific instructions to display older messages.
>
> Consider this a work in progress, there may still be issues.
>
facilitating the fix.
I've been fairly quiet about the BGO outage, assuming that some
technical glitch came up and that it would be fixed eventually. Not to
pat myself on the back too much, but this appears to be correct.
Usenet can be a real haven for hotheadedness and personal attacks.
There's no malice or conspiracy here.
I guess I should thank the thread creator too, since it appears to be
the impetus for things coming together to bring the site back. But,
sheesh, tone it down - you catch more flies with honey, you know.
--
//Walt
Tim Chow
Dec 5, 2016, 6:47:56 PM12/5/16
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On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 9:39:38 AM UTC-5, Walt wrote:
> I guess I should thank the thread creator too, since it appears to be
> the impetus for things coming together to bring the site back. But,
> sheesh, tone it down - you catch more flies with honey, you know.
I agree with Walt. Michael deserves a big round of applause. And as for
> I guess I should thank the thread creator too, since it appears to be
> the impetus for things coming together to bring the site back. But,
> sheesh, tone it down - you catch more flies with honey, you know.
Bill Patterson's criticism of Stick---I found it to be appalling and totally
unjustified. Can you spell "entitled"? B-I-L-L-P-A-T-T-E-R-S-O-N.
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Tim Chow
BlueDice
Dec 6, 2016, 5:17:34 AM12/6/16
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On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:07:38 AM UTC, mpetch wrote:
> Stick and I are trying to get the BGO forum functional again. We have made a number of changes. Please try accessing the forum and provide any feedback if you discover anything not functioning as it should. Please read the ADMIN message on the forum for specific instructions to display older messages.
>
> Consider this a work in progress, there may still be issues.
Huge thanks to Michael and Stick for fixing/enabling this valuable resource
> Stick and I are trying to get the BGO forum functional again. We have made a number of changes. Please try accessing the forum and provide any feedback if you discover anything not functioning as it should. Please read the ADMIN message on the forum for specific instructions to display older messages.
>
> Consider this a work in progress, there may still be issues.
--
BD
Grunty
Dec 6, 2016, 11:06:59 AM12/6/16
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On Monday, December 5, 2016, 9:39:38 (UTC-5), Walt wrote:
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> Thanks, Michael, and thanks also to Stick for creating the site and
> facilitating the fix.
>
>
> Thanks, Michael, and thanks also to Stick for creating the site and
> facilitating the fix.
>
> I guess I should thank the thread creator too, since it appears to be
> the impetus for things coming together to bring the site back.
Agreed. In fact, it was William's pushy style what kicked the job going.
> the impetus for things coming together to bring the site back.
> But, sheesh, tone it down - you catch more flies with honey, you know.
William's rant achieved in two days what Stick and his hundreds of friends did not over two months.
William for President -- "Let's make BGO live again."
Williampatte
Dec 6, 2016, 11:28:56 AM12/6/16
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Paul
Dec 6, 2016, 11:59:31 AM12/6/16
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you, that's a clue that you were doing something wrong.
Paul
michae...@gmail.com
Dec 6, 2016, 12:32:37 PM12/6/16
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I personally appreciate the fact that Stick participates in this forum, and I often find his comments to be worthy.
I am a member at his forum too, but there's a totally different "air" there, that doesn't make me feel comfortable to participate actively. Still I read his forum, which I think is a valuable source of information.
I am a member at his forum too, but there's a totally different "air" there, that doesn't make me feel comfortable to participate actively. Still I read his forum, which I think is a valuable source of information.
Walt
Dec 6, 2016, 1:40:41 PM12/6/16
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On 12/6/2016 12:32 PM, michae...@gmail.com wrote:
> I am a member at his forum too, but there's a totally different "air" there, that doesn't make me feel comfortable to participate actively.
Agree that there's a different "air" there, and that the skill level of
> I am a member at his forum too, but there's a totally different "air" there, that doesn't make me feel comfortable to participate actively.
people who post is generally higher than here, but they don't bite so
you shouldn't feel uncomfortable participating.
I've been posting there for years and nobody has ever criticized me for
participating. They've criticized my play decisions when they are wrong
(which is a lot) but I've never gotten flack for just posting, no
matter how big a whopper I've purchased from BK.
My sense is that when someone posts a problem they appreciate responses
so I try to respond.
--
//Walt
BlueDice
Dec 6, 2016, 4:09:35 PM12/6/16
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--
BD
Tim Chow
Dec 8, 2016, 8:19:51 PM12/8/16
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On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 11:28:56 AM UTC-5, Williampatte wrote:
> Tim. Why do you call my criticism of Stick Apalling?
Here's an example of what you said that I found appalling:
> Tim. Why do you call my criticism of Stick Apalling?
"I do not believe him when he said here on rgb that he has asked for help in
whatever is wrong on facebook etc. Everyone deserves an answer on what is wrong
but he will never reveal it. Forget about it, it will never be fixed."
not on Facebook but I assume that this was a readily verifiable fact for anyone
on Facebook.
In the second sentence you said that everyone deserves an answer on what is
wrong. Why does everyone deserve an answer? It's his forum. It's not like
you voted Stick into office and paid for the forum with your tax money. On
what basis are you asserting your rights over his forum? You have no such
right.
Then you conclude with nasty accusations that were quickly proven false.
---
Tim Chow
Michael
Jan 28, 2018, 5:33:41 AM1/28/18
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Not working again.
Stick have a look, it either takes ages to load or it doesn't load at all..
Stick have a look, it either takes ages to load or it doesn't load at all..
BlueDice
Jan 28, 2018, 11:44:44 AM1/28/18
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On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 10:33:41 AM UTC, Michael wrote:
> Not working again.
> Stick have a look, it either takes ages to load or it doesn't load at all..
Same here (UK)
> Not working again.
> Stick have a look, it either takes ages to load or it doesn't load at all..
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BD
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