BackgammonMasters.com
Neal Rosensweig
that they require you to make some kind of deposit before doing so?
Neal
ri...@notyahoo.com
Yeah, I understand that you have to deposit at least as much as you
want to withdraw:-)
Try e-mailing them about their practice and expect a lot of
double-talk.
Rich
>Neal
>
robadams
"backgammon online sites" about a month ago. They still haven't paid
me.
ethicalb...@yahoo.com
The site is a fraud. Nobody is getting any money unless you put in
money. Don't play there.
Michael Crane
BackgammonMasters: Knob smart mega scam
Michael
<ri...@NOTyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6g4l525992obgbab5...@4ax.com...
diceydave
$500 on the 6th april, I had won over $1000 on their free roll
tourny's, to be honest I was not holding my breath after reading some
of the posts here, but this morning friday the 6th may I received a
cheque for $500 from cyprus, the graphics are quiet good on this site,
maybe they will come good, I hope so . best wishes Dave Edwards
diceydave
ethicalb...@yahoo.com
site. I will believe it is legit when I see my money.
In the mean time, if you will give me your banking and credit card
information, I will deposit $20 Million into your account which we can
split.
diceydave
but I have no connection with this site, I am just reporting the facts,
I have played a good few of the players who contribute on here, and I
was just trying to be helpful, I think the way backgammonmasters have
gone about things have been a mistake, withdrawal rules that make
players think this is a fraud, I never thought they set out to grab a
few thousand bucks from players and run. That don't make economic sense
the money it costs to set up and run, tells me that. I think what they
wanted to achieve is players who win money on the free tourny's will
stick around and play in their money rooms,they should have adopted the
same policy as most casino's that offer bonus money. you need to play
up to 5 times your money to take it out. if they done that at least
player's would know were they stood. best wishes dave
Grunty
> There's a clue in their name!
>
> BackgammonMasters: Knob smart mega scam
Wow.... geez Mike, this is GREAT!!!
You finally got that decoder chip implanted!!!
Michael Petch
I'll vouch for Dave. I have never met him, he is from England and does play
Live Events. I have known him for quite a number of years (under more than 1
nick). He is not an anonymous hider cowering behind a constant veil of
secrecy (Won't mention hiders that post here)
I'll stick my neck out here and say that if Dave got his money he's not
going to come out here and ruin his personal reputation over it.
And no, I have no affiliation with backgammonmasters. I don't play for money
online except for an occasional event at TMG.
Mike
On 5/5/06 7:15 AM, in article
1146834956.3...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com, "diceydave"
Gregg Cattanach
No.
It's quite simple. The one-time process of converting your Bonus account
(RBMA) to a real money account (RMA) is clearly explained in the
FAQ: http://english.backgammonmasters.com/backgammonMasters_faqs.html
Read the section: How do I administer my account.
This is only necessary if you took the $25 bonus. If you want to open a
real money account from the beginning, you can do it that way, and all your
funds are immediately available for withdrawl.
--
Gregg C.
Gregg Cattanach
deposit?
--
Gregg C.
Gregg Cattanach
You're wrong, (but what else is new, LOL)
--
Gregg C.
Gregg Cattanach
Excellent. Many have misunderstood what this "I send you $X just so BM can
send me $X back", thnking they can only get their own money back. He set up
this system so he can give people $25 of REAL money (not play money) that
they can play against others with REAL money (not play money), and then they
convert ALL of the money won to real money by this one-time deposit and
return of the balance of the account.
--
Gregg C.
robadams
value
deposit?
--
Gregg C. "
I don't have that much money and I wouldn't trust them with it even if
I did. I played there in March when such things as RMBA and RMA didn't
exist.
So you think that's ok, that they just lied to me and changed the
rules? And that when I withdrew my money March 24th, they led me to
believe a check was coming, so I kept playing there 2 more weeks
building up my account even more, and THEN they put up the information
about the RMBA/RMA and said I'd have to deposit the full amount of my
account.
Obviously if I had known that I wouldn't have kept playing if it meant
I'd just have to send them more money if I won. I fulfilled all the
requirements for cashing out... I gave them all the personal
information they asked for and I played the required amount of games.
I asked for a withdrawl and emailed them to make sure everything was
right and my check was on the way. They said "yes" and the withdrawl
showed up as "success" on their cashier... it still does.
Then, 2 weeks later they sent me an email with this RMBA/RMA bunk.
That's my experience with them. They have been deceptive and
dishonest. I've never had the option of depositing $20 in order to
withdraw $500. I might have done that if they had been honest and
presented it to me... or I might not have, but they never gave me that
choice. Instead they tried to keep me playing so that I would have to
deposit more once they got around to being honest.
If others have better experiences, great, I'm happy for them, but it
doesn't mean that they've been honest with me in the past... they
weren't.
I haven't played there recently, obviously, since they've said they
won't pay me even if I win, but I still get their junk mail. Care to
look at this:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marathon101, the Largest Freeroll Tournament in History!
$101,000
in PRIZE MONEY will be given away to winners of this exciting, first of
its kind, online tournament!
Marathon101 begins May 1st, 2006!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok, let's look at the word "will" in the sentence "$101,000 in prize
money will be given away..."
Does that word have a synonym of (a) might, (b) won't or (c) will, but
by prize money they mean money they add to your account, but if they
suspect you of fraud, bankruptcy, talking behind their back, or if they
just don't feel like it, they won't pay it out.
I assume it doesn't actually mean "will", but maybe I'm wrong and they
are honest. Are they? Are they really giving away $101,000 in real
money to real individuals? If so, it's something I might have liked to
have been a part of... I wish they had been honest with me.
Michael Petch
I'd pay your 500$ to convert to an RMA account if I received 50% (250$)
transaction fee.
;-)
Mike
On 5/5/06 3:04 PM, in article
1146863099.0...@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "robadams"
Raccoon
Gregg Cattanach wrote:
> Excellent. Many have misunderstood what this "I send you $X just so BM can
> send me $X back", thnking they can only get their own money back. He set up
> this system so he can give people $25 of REAL money (not play money) that
> they can play against others with REAL money (not play money), and then they
> convert ALL of the money won to real money by this one-time deposit and
> return of the balance of the account.
What you're missing in Rob's story is that when Rob started playing
freerolls on backgammonmasters.com there were no "RMA" and "RMBA"
accounts and no notice that he would have to make a deposit equal to
his balance before he could withdraw any money he "won" on the site.
So, fine and dandy for new players who, if they read the fine print,
can deposit five bucks on the site if that qualifies them for a "RMA"
account. But isn't it it absurd that Rob or anyone who has been playing
there for weeks must deposit $100 or $500 or $1000 -- whatever they
have "won" -- before they can make a withdrawal? There isn't another
gamesite in the world that requires any but a nominal deposit before
withdrawing "winnings."
Apparently you, Gregg, met the owner or an owner of this site in Las
Vegas. Did you happen to tell him that (1) changing the rules without
notice and (2) absurdly high deposit requirements for players who "win"
money before making a deposit and (3) unnecessarily complicated
restrictions aren't encouraging players to flock to this site?
My own experience with this site is not encouraging, either. I emailed
some questions to them for a review I wanted to write. In response they
wanted to know who I was. So I told them, whoever they are, who I was.
And I never heard from them again.
Gregg Cattanach
>
> Apparently you, Gregg, met the owner or an owner of this site in Las
> Vegas.
Yes.
> Did you happen to tell him that (1) changing the rules without
> notice and (2) absurdly high deposit requirements for players who
> "win" money before making a deposit and (3) unnecessarily complicated
> restrictions aren't encouraging players to flock to this site?
No, as I was unaware of any of these issues. I knew nothing about BGM
before I got to Vegas.
BTW, your item #2 is incorrect. If you take the free $25, build it up to
$100, you only need to deposit $100 and then wait to be reimbursed for that
same amount to have full access to all your money. However, there are cases
of players that didn't understand the process and won a very large sum (like
$1500) before doing the 'conversion', and were shocked to hear that they had
to make a $1500 deposit, then wait for the $1500 check before converting
their account.
Also, if you skip the $25 free bonus, and just start with a simple deposit
to your RMA account, you immediately have access to all your funds from day
#1.
>
> My own experience with this site is not encouraging, either. I emailed
> some questions to them for a review I wanted to write. In response
> they wanted to know who I was. So I told them, whoever they are, who
> I was. And I never heard from them again.
I think the procedures explained in the FAQ are being followed NOW, and I'm
going to go through the process personally to verify that I can get paid.
He certainly may have started up wrong and had things explained very poorly
in the beginning.
Many people already have enough backgammon servers in their life, and I'm
not saying everybody should suddenly think BGM is the answer to all their
backgammon needs, it certainly isn't. The goofy middle-eastern style rules
are certainly enough to keep many away.
My experience there so far has been OK. I have no reason to believe that
this is some hit and run operator trying to fleece a few people by not
paying and closing down. BGM is currently in negotiations with MANY of the
ABT events for future sponsorships with substantial added monies; you'll be
seeing some of those in the near future.
--
Gregg C.
ri...@notyahoo.com
<rl31...@excite.com> wrote:
>BTW, your item #2 is incorrect. If you take the free $25, build it up to
>$100, you only need to deposit $100 and then wait to be reimbursed for that
>same amount to have full access to all your money. However, there are cases
>of players that didn't understand the process and won a very large sum (like
>$1500) before doing the 'conversion', and were shocked to hear that they had
>to make a $1500 deposit, then wait for the $1500 check before converting
>their account.
So is the best strategy to get the free $25 and then immediately add
another $25 to the account before playing? If they only marketed that
way I bet they would have avoided a lot of problems. I mean getting
100% return on your money is a very good deal if they are legit.
I went to their site and played some free games. I like what I saw
except the board colors made it very difficult to see the checkers
especially on the points close to the bar as the points blurred in
with the bar. Is there a way to change the color to make the points
stand out from the bar?
> The goofy middle-eastern style rules
>are certainly enough to keep many away.
What goofy style rules are you talking about?
Rich
Raccoon
Gregg Cattanach wrote:
> Raccoon wrote:
> BTW, your item #2 is incorrect. If you take the free $25, build it up to
> $100, you only need to deposit $100 and then wait to be reimbursed for that
> same amount to have full access to all your money.
Well, that's what I said: You have to make a deposit equal to your
balance before you can withdraw your winnings. If you "won" $100, you
have to deposit $100. So I was not wrong.
> However, there are cases
> of players that didn't understand the process and won a very large sum (like
> $1500) before doing the 'conversion', and were shocked to hear that they had
> to make a $1500 deposit, then wait for the $1500 check before converting
> their account.
Ok, so we agree that having to deposit $1500 is a ridiculous? I'm
saying that having to deposit $100 is too. You won't find any other
casino, poker or backgammon online site that would make you do this.
> Also, if you skip the $25 free bonus, and just start with a simple deposit
> to your RMA account, you immediately have access to all your funds from day
> #1.
Yes, that is apparently the rule NOW, but that was not the rule when
Rob (and I) started playing in their freerolls. When we started
playing, the only requirement was that in order to withdraw the $25
BONUS MONEY, you'd have to play 10 or 20 games in the $2.50/point room.
There was no rule about having to make a deposit equal to your balance
in order to withdraw your WINNINGS.
> He certainly may have started up wrong and had things explained very poorly
> in the beginning.
Agreed!
Gregg Cattanach
> On Sat, 06 May 2006 03:29:39 GMT, "Gregg Cattanach"
> <rl31...@excite.com> wrote:
>> I went to their site and played some free games. I like what I saw
> except the board colors made it very difficult to see the checkers
> especially on the points close to the bar as the points blurred in
> with the bar. Is there a way to change the color to make the points
> stand out from the bar?
The board and checker colors are fixed at the green and white. You can
choose the green or white as your own, but that's the only graphic option,
other than the extreme 3D view where you can see the other guy as a fully
size CGI person sitting across the board. (too creepy by a long shot).
Actually, I think their board looks quite nice on my computer, and is easy
to see.
http://pages.prodigy.net/gcattanach/pics/bgmboard.gif
You might try being the White checkers, then your 6 point which is the green
color will be covered with white checkers.
The game play is very fast. I haven't experienced any lag problems, but that
could be just me. The servers are in Cyprus.
>
>
>> The goofy middle-eastern style rules
>> are certainly enough to keep many away.
>
> What goofy style rules are you talking about?
Goofy rules:
Money play rooms (called 'Single Play' on his site):
The table limit is generally 4 points, so you can never win more than 4
times the initial stake in any single game. This a doubled backgammon is
only worth 4. All 4 cubes are dead. There can be one automatic double,
(not optional), and the Jacoby rule is NOT in effect. I read an article by
Doug Zare a while back about table stakes and if you approach this game with
the 4 point limit a 3-point match with the score at 0-0, that's really close
to what strategy you should use, especially with no Jacoby.
There is one standard money play room with $5/$40 so there the table stake
is 8 points, not 4, but few if any people seem to wait in there. Almost all
of the action seems centered around the $2.50/$10 room, with some players in
the $5/$20 room.
You also have the chance to set up your own upper limit, but ONLY if you
play for $25/point or more. Only if you know someone specifically that you
want to play would this probably work. I would guess you'd sit in there a
long time before someone would play. If I did something like $25/$400, just
like any other site, this means both players must have $400 in their account
to even start one game.
Match play: In match play, the player of the last game ALWAYS gets the
opening roll in the next game and doubles CAN count on the first roll, even
in the first game. Cube is live, Crawford in effect. Almost nobody is in
the match play rooms at all, though I just did play a 3-pointer for $10 (I
won $10, 0.83 rake). He has standard rooms: 3-points/$10 , 5-points/$20,
5-points/$50, 7-points/$30, and 7-points/$100.
I've been told these match play rules ARE the standard style in places like
Turkey, Greece, Aremenia, etc. (except it would be cubeless).
99% of the action is either in the the sit-and-go (1pt tourneys, 4-8
players, $5 - $10 EF with 10% admission), free rolls (128-200 players), and
the Single Play rooms.
You can also play Hyperbackgammon if that turns your crank.
It looks like the two basic cash out methods are paper check (he says wait
for 7 to 21 days, depending on your location), and NetTeller (he doesn't
charge a service charge, but I assume NetTeller does). He also has
WireTransfer and Citadel listed.
Deposits can be made by Visa/MC/Diners/NetTeller/WireTransfer/Citadel.
--
Gregg C.
Gregg Cattanach
> Gregg Cattanach wrote:
>> Raccoon wrote:
>
>> BTW, your item #2 is incorrect. If you take the free $25, build it
>> up to $100, you only need to deposit $100 and then wait to be
>> reimbursed for that same amount to have full access to all your
>> money.
>
> Well, that's what I said: You have to make a deposit equal to your
> balance before you can withdraw your winnings. If you "won" $100, you
> have to deposit $100. So I was not wrong.
>
>> However, there are cases
>> of players that didn't understand the process and won a very large
>> sum (like $1500) before doing the 'conversion', and were shocked to
>> hear that they had to make a $1500 deposit, then wait for the $1500
>> check before converting their account.
No one would or should wait until they have such a large balance to do the
'conversion'.
>
> Ok, so we agree that having to deposit $1500 is a ridiculous?
'
But basically it is that person's fault for waiting so long.
Also, remember all the deposits can be made with VISA! You aren't our hard
cash for 7- 21 days, just a charge against your credit card.
> I'm
> saying that having to deposit $100 is too. You won't find any other
> casino, poker or backgammon online site that would make you do this.
If you don't like his method, don't sign up. The up-side of this routine
he's set up is that he can give out bonuses up front without ANY deposit
requirement. Find ANY other server that gives real bonus money (not play
money) that can be used against other players real money immediately without
making a deposit first.
>
>> Also, if you skip the $25 free bonus, and just start with a simple
>> deposit to your RMA account, you immediately have access to all your
>> funds from day #1.
>
> Yes, that is apparently the rule NOW, but that was not the rule when
> Rob (and I) started playing in their freerolls. When we started
> playing, the only requirement was that in order to withdraw the $25
> BONUS MONEY, you'd have to play 10 or 20 games in the $2.50/point
> room. There was no rule about having to make a deposit equal to your
> balance in order to withdraw your WINNINGS.
>
>> He certainly may have started up wrong and had things explained very
>> poorly in the beginning.
>
> Agreed!
Agreed again.
--
Gregg C.
ri...@notyahoo.com
<rl31...@excite.com> wrote:
>ri...@NOTyahoo.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 06 May 2006 03:29:39 GMT, "Gregg Cattanach"
>> <rl31...@excite.com> wrote:
>>> I went to their site and played some free games. I like what I saw
>> except the board colors made it very difficult to see the checkers
>> especially on the points close to the bar as the points blurred in
>> with the bar. Is there a way to change the color to make the points
>> stand out from the bar?
>
>The board and checker colors are fixed at the green and white. You can
>choose the green or white as your own, but that's the only graphic option,
>other than the extreme 3D view where you can see the other guy as a fully
>size CGI person sitting across the board. (too creepy by a long shot).
>Actually, I think their board looks quite nice on my computer, and is easy
>to see.
That is too bad that I cannot change the colors because green checkers
against green points does not stand out well. During one game I missed
that there were checkers on a point. I will not play there for that
reason.
>
>http://pages.prodigy.net/gcattanach/pics/bgmboard.gif
>
>You might try being the White checkers, then your 6 point which is the green
>color will be covered with white checkers.
I tried that but then I cannot see my opponents checkers.
>>> The goofy middle-eastern style rules
>>> are certainly enough to keep many away.
>>
>> What goofy style rules are you talking about?
>
>Goofy rules:
>
>Money play rooms (called 'Single Play' on his site):
>
>The table limit is generally 4 points, so you can never win more than 4
>times the initial stake in any single game. This a doubled backgammon is
>only worth 4. All 4 cubes are dead.
Yes, I noticed that. Pretty strange.
There can be one automatic double,
>Match play: In match play, the player of the last game ALWAYS gets the
>opening roll in the next game and doubles CAN count on the first roll, even
>in the first game.
That is really strange. Never heard of those rules.
>It looks like the two basic cash out methods are paper check (he says wait
>for 7 to 21 days, depending on your location), and NetTeller (he doesn't
>charge a service charge, but I assume NetTeller does). He also has
>WireTransfer and Citadel listed.
I was wondering about neteller. No, neteller does not charge. At least
they don't when I cash out in TMG. Neither TMG nor neteller charges
me. TMG pays neteller the commission for the transfer.
Rich
Gregg Cattanach
> That is too bad that I cannot change the colors because green checkers
> against green points does not stand out well. During one game I missed
> that there were checkers on a point. I will not play there for that
> reason.
>>
>> http://pages.prodigy.net/gcattanach/pics/bgmboard.gif
>>
>> You might try being the White checkers, then your 6 point which is
>> the green color will be covered with white checkers.
>
> I tried that but then I cannot see my opponents checkers.
>
You might try adjusting the brightness and contrast and/or color depth on
your monitor. And if you are only using 16-bit colors, the green checkers
and points might look too close to the same shade, but on my machine the
checkers are a bright green and the pips on the boards are a much muted
color, almost dark-blue-green. Try moving it up to 32-bit color. I know at
the Zone with some contrast/brightness/color depth adjustments I could get
that brown on brown thing to stand out much better.
>
> I was wondering about neteller. No, neteller does not charge. At least
> they don't when I cash out in TMG. Neither TMG nor neteller charges
> me. TMG pays neteller the commission for the transfer.
>
I haven't used NetTeller myself before, maybe you're right. In the cash out
screen, he shows zero as the fee for using NetTeller.
--
Gregg C.
Raccoon
Gregg Cattanach wrote:
> > Ok, so we agree that having to deposit $1500 is a ridiculous?
> '
> But basically it is that person's fault for waiting so long.
I can't agree with that.
When Rob and I started playing there, I read the rules. There was a $25
free signup bonus. There was a restriction on withdrawing the $25,
which was that before you could withdraw the $25, you had to play a few
games in the $2.50/point room.
There was NOTHING posted about having to deposit ANY money in order to
withdraw winnings. I only became aware that the site had changed its
rules when someone wrote about the change in rec.games.backgammon. Rob
only became aware of the change two weeks after backgammonmasters
supposedly processed his withdrawal, and Rob was wondering why the
money that backgammonmasters had taken out of his account hadn't been
sent to him yet.
> Also, remember all the deposits can be made with VISA! You aren't our hard
> cash for 7- 21 days, just a charge against your credit card.
Huh?
> If you don't like his method, don't sign up.
The more people that dislike his methods, the more people that don't
sign up. His methods are different from other sites. From the reactions
I have read, his methods make quite a people suspect that they have
better places to send their "VISA dollars" and credit card information
to.
> The up-side of this routine
> he's set up is that he can give out bonuses up front without ANY deposit
> requirement.
He could have done that without all the "RMA" and "RMBA" and deposit
and balance restrictions. And he's obviously not "giving out" bonuses
without any deposit requirement since you can't withdraw any money
unless you make a deposit.
> Find ANY other server that gives real bonus money (not play
> money) that can be used against other players real money immediately without
> making a deposit first.
No problem.
1. I have received free real money bonuses from poker sites that I
could immediately use in play against other players in real money games
without any requirement that I make a deposit. The only restriction was
that before withdrawing any winnings, including the bonus, I play a
certain number of hands
2. I've heard of sites that do require a deposit before you can
withdraw any bonus money, but as far as I know the requirement is a
nominal amount like $25 or $50, NOT whatever your balance happens to
grow to ... $100, $500, $1500 ... like backgammonmasters.
Zorba
Gregg Cattanach wrote:
> Raccoon wrote:
> >> However, there are cases
> >> of players that didn't understand the process and won a very large
> >> sum (like $1500) before doing the 'conversion', and were shocked to
> >> hear that they had to make a $1500 deposit, then wait for the $1500
> >> check before converting their account.
>
> No one would or should wait until they have such a large balance to do the
> 'conversion'.
Reportedly, they changed the rules on this, without informing their
customers.
Why are you ignoring this malicious practice and instead try to put a
sort of blame on the customers? Weird.
Raccoon and Rob were very clear about it.
Read it again:
> > Yes, that is apparently the rule NOW, but that was not the rule when
> > Rob (and I) started playing in their freerolls. When we started
> > playing, the only requirement was that in order to withdraw the $25
> > BONUS MONEY, you'd have to play 10 or 20 games in the $2.50/point
> > room. There was no rule about having to make a deposit equal to your
> > balance in order to withdraw your WINNINGS.
This site has obviously been misleading their customers on purpose,
assuming Rob's and Raccoon's reports are right.
One can wonder if it's a good idea to have such a dubious site sponsor
the ABT tour.......
--
_
/
_ orba
Jive Dadson
Gregg Cattanach
I agree that he offered very confusing information in the beginning, though
it seems to be presented in a much clearer way now. It seems that he may
have changed the 'rules' or had the real rules hidden so deeply in the 3rd
link on the 4th page nobody could expect to get it. This is no longer true.
However, I do not believe was or is trying to run some kind of scam. This is
only my personal opinion, of course, and you are free to continue to
disagree. Everyone must use their own judgment to decide if his site is a
place you want to play.
We aren't going to prove it either way by arguing, but I grant you many of
the factual points of these early users, and Rob Adams' experience would
have certainly put me off if it had happened to me.
All that being said, I predict you will BackgammonMasters will become a
major sponsor on the ABT tour with added prize monies and larger returns to
the players, which can only be good for attendence and good for live
backgammon. BGM's money is still green, and his site is not some scam or
rip-off joint, despite the real difficulties some players have had.
--
Gregg C.
Michael Crane
and trustworthy man.
Michael Crane
Biba Director
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BackgammonMasters:
MAN ASK ME GOT CRABS
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diceydave
family and santa has only given me presents for xmas!!! I think it
could be for a number of reasons (1) I am damn handsome!!( 2) I don't
whine much, well only if I get beat by a women, and I think we all
agree that's acceptable and reasonable, (3) I play a very exciting
game, even my blunders are good ( 4) boo hoo your not getting a share
of my popcorn so there!!! best wishes from dave edwards
Nale
I also did not see the deposit requirement when I signed up a month or
so ago. When I some weeks after the first registration started to play
I won a $250 freeroll the first day and I do not want to or can risk to
deposit that amount for only maybe getting it back. I am however
willing to deposit the bonus I received, which I feel could be fair. I
have come to rest with the thought that my money is play money for me
and have won some smaller amounts in tournaments and in money games. I
like the graphics and play because I think it's fun, that's why I
continued to play there. However, I have noticed a couple of strange
things.
When I the first time opened the cashier I saw my available balance of
$275, whereof $25 as a bonus. When I yesterday looked at the cashier I
suddenly had $125 as a bonus. It looks like my newer freeroll
tournament winnings now have turned into bonus amounts also (I tried to
withdraw my $250 through Neteller a few weeks ago and that money
disappeared from the cashier and has not showed up anywhere else after
that). I also noticed that the freerolls aren't really free. True, the
buy-in is noted as 0+0 (buy-in + reg), but when you open the tournament
to register, you can there see that the tournament will cost you a
"administration fee" of $1. (I believe that it was called admission fee
whey I looked yesterday). So not only do the freerolls cost $1, if you
win the winnings seem to be converted to a bonus received...
Nale
with no strings attached, try GammonEmpire/Play65. When I signed up
there I got $5 for free (Now you get $2). After that I have withdrawn a
few hundred dollars without depositing one single dollar.
ri...@notyahoo.com
Yep. I have had the same experience with GE and TMG. I stopped playing
at GE because they increased rakes without notice.
I would avoid gammonmasters.com even though I do like their graphics
(other than the problems with the colors on the board) and speed of
play. But their rules are too weird to be acceptable to me.
There is absolutely no reason why anyone should pay any more than $25
to convert the account to a regular account to let you withdraw money.
What if you amass ten grand? Are you supposed to deposit that much to
get your money back? That is ridiculous.
What they are doing is making it very difficult to withdraw your
money. This is how an outfit behaves when it is suddenly going to
disappear with all your money. The longer they can hold on to your
money the more likely you will never see it again.
Rob should have been able to give them the $25 and matched what they
gave him in order to get all his money that he won. The fact that they
refuse to give him the money that he rightfully won according to their
own rules makes them scammers IMO. Anyone who gives them money knowing
how they operate has no one to blame but themselves when they find
that their money has disappeared.
Rich
Piranha
> I'd pay your 500$ to convert to an RMA account if I received 50% (250$)
> transaction fee.
>
> ;-)
>
> Mike
>
i´ll take that deal
i´ve got $1100 bonus money in my BGM account
if anyone trusts BGM enough and is willing to pay $1100 for me in order
to convert that to RMA, i´ll pay ur $1100 back and an additional $500
AFTER i receive $2200 from BGM
i´ve got a neteller account, meaning it wouldn´t even take long,
deposit and withdrawl should work out within 1 week IFFFFFFF ........
Nale
When you get your 600 on neteller you can bail my 600 out and I'll give
you 850 back after I receive 1200 from neteller...
Micke/Nale/Absolut
Piranha
looks like we´re going to start some chain reaction, huh?
fine with me
all we need now is someone to get us started