On June 5, 2023 at 4:26:04 AM UTC-6, Axel Reichert wrote:
> MK <
mu...@compuplus.net> writes:
>> GNUbg ID: tm0TAQSabdsAAA:cAkFAAAAAAAA
>> 1,296,000 trials, cubeful, 0-ply with maximum noise
>> 9/8 9/7 = cubeful -0.299, cubeless -0.297
>> 7/6 7/5 = cubeful -0.420 (-0.121), cubeless -0.421 (-0.124)
>> 3/1 2/1 = cubeful -0.498 (-0.199), cubeless -0.496 (-0.199)
>> 3/2 3/1 = cubeful -0.526 (-0.227), cubeless -0.525 (-0.227)
> Yes, I am finally convinced. Convinced that 9/8 9/7
> is the best move against a random player, provided
> that I also continue randomly after this "best" move.
I wonder if you realize how pathetic your comments
sound.
All bots since TD-Gammon, (and perhaps some even
before it), were trained through random self-play. Do
you have any objections to that?
What I am doing is making the bot train itself through
random self-play for a single position. Do you have any
objections to this in principle?
Accepting, (at least for the sake of the argument), you
people's claimt hat cubeful play is more complex, I let
the bot play not just 1,296 times but 1,296,000 times
against itself, so that it can encounter enough cubeful
positions enough times as any bot doing a rollout with
1,296 trial encounters cubeless positions.
I can understand if you find 1,296,000 trials not enough
and I would have no problem with running 12 million or
120 million trials. Let me hear what other problems you
may have with it..?
The 9/8 9/7 in this example isn't the best move against
only a random player. It's the best move period.
There is no limitation that the play continues randomly
after this "best" move either. Provided that the bot goes
through enough cubeful random trials, it will find "the
best move" better than any existing jackoffski bot!
> Unfortunately that does not even help me against the
> average coffee house player.
Because you either refuse to understand or you are not
able to understand it.
> But playing against GNU Backgammon set to maximum
> noise is relaxing and comforting, even funny sometimes,
Now you are dipping below pathetic. :( But if it helps ease
your pain, go ahead...
> because one can check how solid one's own backgammon
> fundamentals are in very weird positions.
What I'm proposing is not limited to "weird positions" at all.
But you are right that about checking your gamblegammon
fundamentals, (however/wherever you acquired them from),
in any kinds of positions against the results of cubeful (and
matchful) random rollout results. You will find yourself, and
your worshipped bots, wrong way too many times than you
can ever imagine. When that time comes, I hope that there
won't be too jumpings from bridges, tall buildings, etc...
MK