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mu...@compuplus.net
Mar 19, 2020, 6:26:35 AM3/19/20
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I recently reinstalled the various bg bots wanting to come up
with ideas to run some new, interesting experiments.
One thing I want to go back to doing is playing against various
bots using external dice to see if they'll play differently.
Since this cabability was eliminated from Gnubg some time ago,
I'll have to figure out what was the last version that supported
external dice DLLs and install that version also.
With XG, I had already experimented just a little with different
variations of the Mersenne-Twister algorithm, including the one
that comes with XG.
A few days ago, I just wanted to try a very simple DLL using the
srand() and rand() functions but ran into some unexpected (and
interesting) complications.
I want to be able to use the same DLL and same seeds with various
bots but with this simplest DLL, I couldn't reproduce the same set
of rolls for the same seed with XG.
Then I started putting some debugging logic into the DLL and saw
that XG calls the dice DLL not just to fetch dice as expectedly.
It calls the DLL when you double and again when you confirm, when
a player resigns and again when confirms. It also calls the DLL
seemingly unrelated to anything visible.
Countless DLL_THREAD_ATTACH and DLL_THREAD_DETACH calls and even
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH calls after you set the seed with srand()
following the DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH, all of which make you lose the
state of the RNG and start rolling different sequences of rolls.
WTF!?
Has anyone ever tried to use external DLLs with any of the major
bg bots? If yes, can you share your experiences and/or codes here?
I don't know why I asked this, knowing that you all are a bunch of
followers, believers, buyers, shit lickers, ass kissers, cock
suckers, book writing meth phs's, etc...? :((
But, hey, just for the recordd: WTF...!?
MK
with ideas to run some new, interesting experiments.
One thing I want to go back to doing is playing against various
bots using external dice to see if they'll play differently.
Since this cabability was eliminated from Gnubg some time ago,
I'll have to figure out what was the last version that supported
external dice DLLs and install that version also.
With XG, I had already experimented just a little with different
variations of the Mersenne-Twister algorithm, including the one
that comes with XG.
A few days ago, I just wanted to try a very simple DLL using the
srand() and rand() functions but ran into some unexpected (and
interesting) complications.
I want to be able to use the same DLL and same seeds with various
bots but with this simplest DLL, I couldn't reproduce the same set
of rolls for the same seed with XG.
Then I started putting some debugging logic into the DLL and saw
that XG calls the dice DLL not just to fetch dice as expectedly.
It calls the DLL when you double and again when you confirm, when
a player resigns and again when confirms. It also calls the DLL
seemingly unrelated to anything visible.
Countless DLL_THREAD_ATTACH and DLL_THREAD_DETACH calls and even
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH calls after you set the seed with srand()
following the DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH, all of which make you lose the
state of the RNG and start rolling different sequences of rolls.
WTF!?
Has anyone ever tried to use external DLLs with any of the major
bg bots? If yes, can you share your experiences and/or codes here?
I don't know why I asked this, knowing that you all are a bunch of
followers, believers, buyers, shit lickers, ass kissers, cock
suckers, book writing meth phs's, etc...? :((
But, hey, just for the recordd: WTF...!?
MK
Michael
Mar 20, 2020, 1:31:55 PM3/20/20
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mu...@compuplus.net
Mar 20, 2020, 8:13:35 PM3/20/20
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On March 20, 2020 at 11:31:55 AM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
> On March 19, 2020 at 12:26:35 PM UTC+2, mu...@compuplus.net wrote:
>> Countless DLL_THREAD_ATTACH and DLL_THREAD_DETACH calls and even
>> DLL_PROCESS_DETACH calls after you set the seed with srand()
>> following the DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH, all of which make you lose the
>> state of the RNG and start rolling different sequences of rolls.
started two games with the same seed, made a number of random moves
and cube actions, just enough to illustrate.
Moving the srand outside of the reason for call section seemed to
help but I'm not sure as I haven't compared long enough sequences.
Also, I had to comment out closing of the file right after the 4th
call (DLL_PROCESS_DETACH) in order to be able to keep writing to it.
Below are the two logs. (Dice number is the int returned by the DLL).
MK
=== Log 1 =================================================
DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:44 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:44 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:44 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:44 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
seed set 10631Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
dice rolled 52Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:57 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:57 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:57 2020
dice rolled 25Fri Mar 20 14:17:05 2020
dice rolled 29Fri Mar 20 14:17:07 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:17:10 2020
dice rolled 51Fri Mar 20 14:17:13 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:17:14 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:17:14 2020
dice rolled 34Fri Mar 20 14:17:15 2020
dice rolled 36Fri Mar 20 14:17:17 2020
dice rolled 20Fri Mar 20 14:17:26 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:17:33 2020
dice rolled 27Fri Mar 20 14:17:35 2020
dice rolled 33Fri Mar 20 14:17:39 2020
dice rolled 21Fri Mar 20 14:17:41 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:17:44 2020
dice rolled 43Fri Mar 20 14:17:46 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:17:49 2020
dice rolled 53Fri Mar 20 14:17:52 2020
dice rolled 50Fri Mar 20 14:17:57 2020
dice rolled 35Fri Mar 20 14:17:59 2020
dice rolled 38Fri Mar 20 14:18:02 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:18:04 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:18:09 2020
dice rolled 12Fri Mar 20 14:18:12 2020
dice rolled 33Fri Mar 20 14:18:15 2020
dice rolled 28Fri Mar 20 14:18:18 2020
dice rolled 52Fri Mar 20 14:18:22 2020
dice rolled 27Fri Mar 20 14:18:24 2020
dice rolled 10Fri Mar 20 14:18:30 2020
dice rolled 19Fri Mar 20 14:18:31 2020
dice rolled 53Fri Mar 20 14:18:34 2020
dice rolled 19Fri Mar 20 14:18:36 2020
dice rolled 28Fri Mar 20 14:18:39 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:41 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:41 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:41 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:42 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:42 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:43 2020
=== Log 2 =================================================
DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:32 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:32 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:32 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:00 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:00 2020
seed set 10631Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
dice rolled 52Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:27 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:27 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:27 2020
dice rolled 25Fri Mar 20 14:24:56 2020
dice rolled 29Fri Mar 20 14:24:58 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:25:01 2020
dice rolled 51Fri Mar 20 14:25:02 2020
dice rolled 34Fri Mar 20 14:25:05 2020
dice rolled 36Fri Mar 20 14:25:07 2020
dice rolled 20Fri Mar 20 14:25:09 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:25:15 2020
dice rolled 27Fri Mar 20 14:25:17 2020
dice rolled 33Fri Mar 20 14:26:04 2020
dice rolled 21Fri Mar 20 14:26:06 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:26:13 2020
dice rolled 43Fri Mar 20 14:26:17 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:26:21 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:26:29 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:26:29 2020
dice rolled 53Fri Mar 20 14:26:49 2020
dice rolled 50Fri Mar 20 14:26:52 2020
dice rolled 35Fri Mar 20 14:26:58 2020
dice rolled 38Fri Mar 20 14:27:02 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:27:16 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:27:19 2020
dice rolled 12Fri Mar 20 14:27:25 2020
dice rolled 33Fri Mar 20 14:27:28 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:35 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:35 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:35 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:37 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:37 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:37 2020
> On March 19, 2020 at 12:26:35 PM UTC+2, mu...@compuplus.net wrote:
>> Countless DLL_THREAD_ATTACH and DLL_THREAD_DETACH calls and even
>> DLL_PROCESS_DETACH calls after you set the seed with srand()
>> following the DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH, all of which make you lose the
>> state of the RNG and start rolling different sequences of rolls.
> Please provide a game/match and the log showing the exact
> times of the DLL calls.
I modified the DLL to write to a text file each time it was called,
> times of the DLL calls.
started two games with the same seed, made a number of random moves
and cube actions, just enough to illustrate.
Moving the srand outside of the reason for call section seemed to
help but I'm not sure as I haven't compared long enough sequences.
Also, I had to comment out closing of the file right after the 4th
call (DLL_PROCESS_DETACH) in order to be able to keep writing to it.
Below are the two logs. (Dice number is the int returned by the DLL).
MK
=== Log 1 =================================================
DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:44 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:44 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:44 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:44 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:45 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:46 2020
seed set 10631Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
dice rolled 52Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:56 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:57 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:57 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:16:57 2020
dice rolled 25Fri Mar 20 14:17:05 2020
dice rolled 29Fri Mar 20 14:17:07 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:17:10 2020
dice rolled 51Fri Mar 20 14:17:13 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:17:14 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:17:14 2020
dice rolled 34Fri Mar 20 14:17:15 2020
dice rolled 36Fri Mar 20 14:17:17 2020
dice rolled 20Fri Mar 20 14:17:26 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:17:33 2020
dice rolled 27Fri Mar 20 14:17:35 2020
dice rolled 33Fri Mar 20 14:17:39 2020
dice rolled 21Fri Mar 20 14:17:41 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:17:44 2020
dice rolled 43Fri Mar 20 14:17:46 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:17:49 2020
dice rolled 53Fri Mar 20 14:17:52 2020
dice rolled 50Fri Mar 20 14:17:57 2020
dice rolled 35Fri Mar 20 14:17:59 2020
dice rolled 38Fri Mar 20 14:18:02 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:18:04 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:18:09 2020
dice rolled 12Fri Mar 20 14:18:12 2020
dice rolled 33Fri Mar 20 14:18:15 2020
dice rolled 28Fri Mar 20 14:18:18 2020
dice rolled 52Fri Mar 20 14:18:22 2020
dice rolled 27Fri Mar 20 14:18:24 2020
dice rolled 10Fri Mar 20 14:18:30 2020
dice rolled 19Fri Mar 20 14:18:31 2020
dice rolled 53Fri Mar 20 14:18:34 2020
dice rolled 19Fri Mar 20 14:18:36 2020
dice rolled 28Fri Mar 20 14:18:39 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:41 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:41 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:41 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:42 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:42 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:18:43 2020
=== Log 2 =================================================
DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:30 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:31 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:32 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:32 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:23:32 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:00 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:00 2020
seed set 10631Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
dice rolled 52Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:26 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:27 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:27 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:24:27 2020
dice rolled 25Fri Mar 20 14:24:56 2020
dice rolled 29Fri Mar 20 14:24:58 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:25:01 2020
dice rolled 51Fri Mar 20 14:25:02 2020
dice rolled 34Fri Mar 20 14:25:05 2020
dice rolled 36Fri Mar 20 14:25:07 2020
dice rolled 20Fri Mar 20 14:25:09 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:25:15 2020
dice rolled 27Fri Mar 20 14:25:17 2020
dice rolled 33Fri Mar 20 14:26:04 2020
dice rolled 21Fri Mar 20 14:26:06 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:26:13 2020
dice rolled 43Fri Mar 20 14:26:17 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:26:21 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:26:29 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:26:29 2020
dice rolled 53Fri Mar 20 14:26:49 2020
dice rolled 50Fri Mar 20 14:26:52 2020
dice rolled 35Fri Mar 20 14:26:58 2020
dice rolled 38Fri Mar 20 14:27:02 2020
dice rolled 44Fri Mar 20 14:27:16 2020
dice rolled 37Fri Mar 20 14:27:19 2020
dice rolled 12Fri Mar 20 14:27:25 2020
dice rolled 33Fri Mar 20 14:27:28 2020
DLL_THREAD_ATTACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:35 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:35 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:35 2020
DLL_THREAD_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:37 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:37 2020
DLL_PROCESS_DETACH Fri Mar 20 14:27:37 2020
Michael
Mar 21, 2020, 2:15:45 PM3/21/20
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On Saturday, March 21, 2020 at 2:13:35 AM UTC+2, mu...@compuplus.net wrote:
>
> === Log 1 =================================================
>
I am almost certain the DLL is not synchronizing with XG.
Something similar happened with my dice roller when XG was sometimes catching only one of the 2 dice.
Here's something you can do to check if this is the cause:Add some delay to the DLL say 1 sec. If the problem gets worse then for sure it's a matter of synchronisation.
>
> === Log 1 =================================================
>
I am almost certain the DLL is not synchronizing with XG.
Something similar happened with my dice roller when XG was sometimes catching only one of the 2 dice.
Here's something you can do to check if this is the cause:Add some delay to the DLL say 1 sec. If the problem gets worse then for sure it's a matter of synchronisation.
mu...@compuplus.net
Mar 21, 2020, 4:57:34 PM3/21/20
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On March 21, 2020 at 12:15:45 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
> On March 21, 2020 at 2:13:35 AM UTC+2, mu...@compuplus.net wrote:
>> === Log 1 =================================================
> I am almost certain the DLL is not synchronizing with XG.
> Something similar happened with my dice roller when XG was
> sometimes catching only one of the 2 dice.
Your case was different. Yours was an EXE, not a DLL. You were
passing data from your EXE to XG while it was waiting for dice
from keyboard input.
> Here's something you can do to check if this is the cause:
> Add some delay to the DLL say 1 sec. If the problem gets
> worse then for sure it's a matter of synchronisation.
You don't think I have already done that..? :) Even though it
make me feel silly afterwards.. :(
In the Mersenne-Twister source included with XG, the relevant
code is this:
=============================================================
#define WINAPI __stdcall
int WINAPI DllMain( int hModule, int ul_reason_for_call, void *lpReserved )
{
switch( ul_reason_for_call ) {
case DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH:
init_genrand((unsigned long)GetTickCount());
}
return 1;
}
__declspec( dllexport ) int Dice(void)
{
return genrand_intN(6)*8+genrand_intN(6);
}
=============================================================
In which I only replaced the 6th line with:
srand(12345);
and replaced the next to last line with:
return ((rand () % 6) + 1) * 8 + ((rand () % 6) + 1);
If I hadn't tried to reproduce the same sequence of rolls using
the same seed, I probably wouldn't have noticed anything unusual
because the DLL continued to provide dice rolls without errors.
That's only when I wanted to trace all calls to the DLL by adding
a few more lines to check for all 4 possible reasons for a call:
case DLL_THREAD_ATTACH:
case DLL_THREAD_DETACH:
case DLL_PROCESS_DETACH:
Since we are not supposed to see the source code of XG, (which is
distributed not just in compiled format only but also encrypted),
all I can do is to look at what it does from the outside and thus
I can't even begin to guess what may be going on in there...
MK
> On March 21, 2020 at 2:13:35 AM UTC+2, mu...@compuplus.net wrote:
>> === Log 1 =================================================
> I am almost certain the DLL is not synchronizing with XG.
> Something similar happened with my dice roller when XG was
> sometimes catching only one of the 2 dice.
passing data from your EXE to XG while it was waiting for dice
from keyboard input.
> Here's something you can do to check if this is the cause:
> Add some delay to the DLL say 1 sec. If the problem gets
> worse then for sure it's a matter of synchronisation.
make me feel silly afterwards.. :(
In the Mersenne-Twister source included with XG, the relevant
code is this:
=============================================================
#define WINAPI __stdcall
int WINAPI DllMain( int hModule, int ul_reason_for_call, void *lpReserved )
{
switch( ul_reason_for_call ) {
case DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH:
init_genrand((unsigned long)GetTickCount());
}
return 1;
}
__declspec( dllexport ) int Dice(void)
{
return genrand_intN(6)*8+genrand_intN(6);
}
=============================================================
In which I only replaced the 6th line with:
srand(12345);
and replaced the next to last line with:
return ((rand () % 6) + 1) * 8 + ((rand () % 6) + 1);
If I hadn't tried to reproduce the same sequence of rolls using
the same seed, I probably wouldn't have noticed anything unusual
because the DLL continued to provide dice rolls without errors.
That's only when I wanted to trace all calls to the DLL by adding
a few more lines to check for all 4 possible reasons for a call:
case DLL_THREAD_ATTACH:
case DLL_THREAD_DETACH:
case DLL_PROCESS_DETACH:
Since we are not supposed to see the source code of XG, (which is
distributed not just in compiled format only but also encrypted),
all I can do is to look at what it does from the outside and thus
I can't even begin to guess what may be going on in there...
MK
mu...@compuplus.net
Mar 21, 2020, 5:17:31 PM3/21/20
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On March 21, 2020 at 2:57:34 PM UTC-6, mu...@compuplus.net wrote:
Just to prevent any unnecessary discussion about the details,
below is the entire source code of the DLL I tried. If you
want to play around with simple C projects yourselves, you
can get the "Tiny C Compiler" which is portable and merely
takes 1.5Mb of disk space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_C_Compiler
If you want to compile a DLL like my example, save it to a
text file xyz.c and create another text file xyx.def to say:
LIBRARY xyz.dll
EXPORTS
Dice
And compile using the command:
.\tcc xyz.c -shared
Then you can used the xyz.dll in XG or other simiar bots.
Have fun :)
MK
=============================================================
#include <windows.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#define WINAPI __stdcall
int WINAPI DllMain( int hModule, int ul_reason_for_call, void *lpReserved )
{
switch( ul_reason_for_call )
{
case DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH:
srand(12345);
Just to prevent any unnecessary discussion about the details,
below is the entire source code of the DLL I tried. If you
want to play around with simple C projects yourselves, you
can get the "Tiny C Compiler" which is portable and merely
takes 1.5Mb of disk space.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiny_C_Compiler
If you want to compile a DLL like my example, save it to a
text file xyz.c and create another text file xyx.def to say:
LIBRARY xyz.dll
EXPORTS
Dice
And compile using the command:
.\tcc xyz.c -shared
Then you can used the xyz.dll in XG or other simiar bots.
Have fun :)
MK
=============================================================
#include <windows.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#define WINAPI __stdcall
int WINAPI DllMain( int hModule, int ul_reason_for_call, void *lpReserved )
{
switch( ul_reason_for_call )
{
case DLL_PROCESS_ATTACH:
}
return 1;
}
__declspec( dllexport ) int Dice(void)
{
return 1;
}
__declspec( dllexport ) int Dice(void)
{
return ((rand () % 6) + 1) * 8 + ((rand () % 6) + 1);
}
=============================================================
}
Michael
Mar 22, 2020, 3:59:34 PM3/22/20
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Dice rolled 29,37,20,27.... just to mention a few
mu...@compuplus.net
Mar 22, 2020, 9:20:43 PM3/22/20
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On March 22, 2020 at 1:59:34 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
> On March 21, 2020 at 11:17:31 PM UTC+2, mu...@compuplus.net wrote:
>> return ((rand () % 6) + 1) * 8 + ((rand () % 6) + 1);
the DLL passes both dice as a single number from
which XG extracts the dice by reversing the above
operation.
29 is 8 times 3 = 24 + 5 = 29 --> dice roll is 35
37 is 8 times 4 = 32 + 5 = 37 --> dice roll is 45
20 is 8 times 2 = 16 + 4 = 20 --> dice roll is 24
...
MK
> On March 21, 2020 at 11:17:31 PM UTC+2, mu...@compuplus.net wrote:
>> return ((rand () % 6) + 1) * 8 + ((rand () % 6) + 1);
> Your dice generator errs multiple times.
> Dice rolled 29,37,20,27.... just to mention a few
For the ones who can't understand "C code" above,
> Dice rolled 29,37,20,27.... just to mention a few
the DLL passes both dice as a single number from
which XG extracts the dice by reversing the above
operation.
29 is 8 times 3 = 24 + 5 = 29 --> dice roll is 35
37 is 8 times 4 = 32 + 5 = 37 --> dice roll is 45
20 is 8 times 2 = 16 + 4 = 20 --> dice roll is 24
...
MK
Michael
Mar 23, 2020, 2:17:34 PM3/23/20
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After looking at XG's documentation it's just that XG needs it to be like that. "The DLL needs to export one function called DICE that returns an integer (32 bits signed) containing the 2 dice, as of Dice1*8+Dice2"
Problem is that instead of reversing the operation yourself for creating a log file for further checking with the seed you just left it raw.
Anyway it's been a long time I dealt with these things...
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