The Top Ten Scammers
Jerry House
www.lvsn.com
1. Mike Warren
2. ATS Consultants
3. Jim Hurley
4. Stu Feiner- what's up HCapper (only kdding)
5.Kevin Duffy
6. Jack Price
7. Dave "Mumbles" Davis- this guy allegedly mumbles to his suckers over
the phone, so that if a pick loses he can simply claim you misunderstood
him!
8. The Shrink
9. Dan Pastorini
10. Lawerence Taylor
Most of the Jim Feist crew is mentioned in the "honorable mention", with
one glaring exception, Dave Cokin. Ironically, Cokin is also a
contributor to the paper. Also singled out are Brian Georgia and the
BettorsWorld hoodlums. Even Nunzio's name is mentioned, so apparently
he is gaining some national "notoriety" with his little scammer outfit,
Premium Sports. Yes, Lou Diamond is also called a scam. (they
undoubtedly found out about Lou by reading this ng, haha)
There were a couple of names that made the list which I do not think
should be there, but this publication has been known to smear their
"enemies" on occasion. Northcoast Sports is not a scam in my opinion. I
subscribe to their Power Sweep newsletter and find it extremely
informative, but admittedly I know little of their tout service. Also,
our friend Rob Crowne is accused of being a scam, which I find hard to
believe. If your reading this Rob, What did you do to piss LVSN off?
-Jerry
RobGoodguy
>Also,
>our friend Rob Crowne is accused of being a scam, which I find hard to
>believe. If your reading this Rob, What did you do to piss LVSN off?
>
There are three possibilites:
1. LVSN is the house paper for the offshore book English Sports Betting. ESB
has disliked any service giving out plays from the pro gambling syndicates.
Brian Mac made their dishonorable page last year. This year it's my turn to
get a little publicity.
2. I got into a dispute with their buddy Lew Gruppo.
3. I have done several pieces on my compline exposing their conflicts of
interest with ESB and also negative to ESB, the offshore book.
4. Due to their relationship with ESB they hate any service that might
actually win.
It's one of those things. Quoting anything from LVSN is something akin to
quoting from a supermarket tabloid talking about Space Aliens. They took a
bunch of known scams like Mike Warren, and added their enemies into the
company. The Shrink for being the first to expose the fact that the same
people were listed at INTERNIC for the Las Vegas Sporting News website and the
English Sports Betting website at a time when LVSN was running a service
selling picks to the suckers to be bet at ESB. For being the first to expose
the operation, the Shrink made the list.
LVSN is closely affiliated with ESB. Would you expect a bookmaker ot send you
to a service that actually some cahnce of beating them, or to try to get rid of
any such service?
Enough said.
Rob Crowne
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>
> >Also,
> >our friend Rob Crowne is accused of being a scam, which I find hard to
> >believe. If your reading this Rob, What did you do to piss LVSN off?
> >
> There are three possibilites:
> 1. LVSN is the house paper for the offshore book English Sports Betting. ESB
> has disliked any service giving out plays from the pro gambling syndicates.
> Brian Mac made their dishonorable page last year. This year it's my turn to
> get a little publicity.
>
> 2. I got into a dispute with their buddy Lew Gruppo.
>
> 3. I have done several pieces on my compline exposing their conflicts of
> interest with ESB and also negative to ESB, the offshore book.
>
> 4. Due to their relationship with ESB they hate any service that might
> actually win.
>
> It's one of those things. Quoting anything from LVSN is something akin to
> quoting from a supermarket tabloid talking about Space Aliens. They took a
>The Shrink for being the first to expose the fact that the same
>people were listed at INTERNIC for the Las Vegas Sporting News website and
>the English Sports Betting website at a time when LVSN was running a service
>selling picks to the suckers to be bet at ESB. For being the first to expose
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I concur with your points.
The names listed in the last paragraph
are not stated as SCAMDICAPPERS per se, but rather as
DISREPUTABLE and to be avoided...although I would disagree with
Rob Crowne and Ryan Austin included in that list...
This is a copy of the article which I snipped for brevity:
We've got the bottom Ten!
by Tom Somach
This week, we take a look at the 10 worst scamdicappers in the business:
MIKE WARREN SPORTS, BALTIMORE, MD.
ATS CONSULTANTS, BALTIMORE, MD.
JIM HURLEY'S NETWORK, JERICHO, N.Y.
STU FEINER, FARMINGDALE, N.Y.
KEVIN DUFFY, FARMINGDALE, N.Y.
JACK PRICE, LOS ANGELES, CALIF.
DAVE "MUMBLES" DAVIS, MYRTLE BEACH, S.C
DAN PASTORINI, HOUSTON, TEX
LAWRENCE TAYLOR, NEW YORK, N.Y
THE SHRINK, CHESAPEAKE, VA.--A terrible tout service run by a sleazy guy
who claims to be an ex-psychiatrist, Ken "Wacko" Weitzner. Instead of
analyzing stats or trends, he analyzes "emotions." And, true to form, his track
record is depressing. He also keeps horrible company, as evidenced by the
disreputable sportsbooks that advertise on Weitzner's Internet website.
Also,
avoid any tout service run by Ron Bash, Bobby Gold, Jeff Allen, Johnny
DeMarco, Larry Ness, Wayne Root, Kelso "Pudge" Sturgeon, Scott Spreitzer,
Andy "The Dreamer" Jacobsen, Joe Wiz, Mark Vincent, Bob "Fortune Cookie" Lee,
Brian Georgia, Jeff Brown, Ed Horowitz, Gary Austin, Ryan Austin, Arne Lang,
"The Professor," Brent Crow, Phil Steele, Rob Crowne, Marc Lawrence,
Tim Trushel, Ken White, Chip Chirimbes, " Nunzio," Lou Diamond,
Greg Silveira ("Gordon Michaels"), Joe Gavazzi, Trace Fields, Russ Culver,
Stephen Nover, John Brodie, Johnny Unitas, Mark Gastineau, Tony Dorsett,
Paul Hornung, Daryle Lamonica, Craig Morton, Billy Kilmer, Buddy Ryan,
Deacon Jones, Chuck Knox or O. A. "Bum" Phillips,
all of whom are disreputable.
Tom Somach is a free-lance writer. His views and opinions do not necessarily
reflect those of Las Vegas Sporting News, its affiliates or sponsors.
RobGoodguy
Actually they appear to have listed almost every sports service that has any
sort of notoriety, except those that either advertise with them or write for
them. Glad to see they placed me in the well-known company of Phil Steele on
one side and just ahead of Marc Laurence on the other. I must be more
well-known than I thought, and I guess I should have bought an ad when their
salesman called three weeks ago. It is nice to be recognized though. When the
mouthpiece for an off shore book says you should avoid my picks, I must be
doing something right. Thanks for the publicity LVSN. Next time could you
give people my compline number too? I thiink my ads will now say " The service
the bookmakers don't want you to join." :-)
RobGoodguy
> I would disagree with
>Rob Crowne and Ryan Austin included in that list...
Thanks Brian. Actually, there are a number of people who don't belong on the
list, but if you attach a bad connotation to any random list of sports
services, unfortunately there will be many that fit anything negative you
choose to say. What operations like LVSN don't understand is that when people
look at the "enemies" list they tend to recognize it for what it is. LVSN and
Somach hurt their own reputation with stuff like this.
I do a lot of muckraking, which is what gets me in trouble with guys like
Somach and his bosses, but I know that if I am going to say anything negative
about someone who has a good reputation, I better state good reasons for my
opinions and have lots of black and white proof, or my words will turn against
me and have an effect opposite that which I intended. That's why everyone
hated Ken Starr when it looked like he had no proof.
The funniest part of the article is the listing of David "Mumbles" Davis from
Myrtle Beach, SC in the top ten scamsters. David is a backwoods moron who can
barely speak his native language and who is known to every sports service for
stealing a weekend here and a weekend there by bouncing checks, giving phony
credit card numbers or claiming the money was mailed or Wetern Unioned with
phony tracking numbers. He then tries to resell the picks he gets as his own
to 3 or 4 other backwoods morons that he finds from small ads in the local
papers. I can't help but wonder exactly how David took those guys at LVSN.
Probably ordered an ad and the payment went bad in one of the tried and true
ways. Haha. Davis isn't even smart enough to save the hassles and the long
distance calls and the aggravation by using a consensus service for picks. He
gives his real number out, and must put up with endless hassles from the
services and the few clients he scams. Davis barely rates being on a list in
Cockroach Exterminator Daily let only the publicity of being listed with the
Mike Warrens of the world. It's like trying to categorize a flea in the
company of elephants, but I understand why LVSN must be upset with the guy.
When he rips you off he actually gives his real name, phone, and address (a
genius extraordianire!) and will try again to get you in a few months, as if
you won't remember his name and that unintelligible backwoods shack english he
speaks. Damon Runyon would have had a field day with this industry.
Newwavebet
> That's why everyone
>hated Ken Starr when it looked like he had no proof.
>
He has NO proof, it's a sexual witch hunt! So leave politics in a political NG!
RobGoodguy
>He has NO proof, it's a sexual witch hunt! So leave politics in a political
>NG!
I agree with you NewWave. I didn't think I said anything different, just more
mild, because the point I was making was not political, it was allegorical.
Gamblers Synonymous
politics in a political NG!
Rob Crowne said: I agree with you NewWave
Gentlemen, I would like to dedicate a little song to you. (from Wizard
of Oz, circa 1937)
I could while away the hours,
conferrin' with the flowers
Consulting with the rain.
And my head I'd be a scratch'in
While my thoughts were busy hatch'in
If I only had a brain.
I'd unravel every riddle, for every individ'le,
in trouble or in pain.
With the thoughts you'll be think'in
You could be another Lincoln,
If you only had a brain
Later guys, Jerry
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RobGoodguy
analogy :-)
I seem to now be hated by democrat and republican, liberal and conservative
alike. All I did was agree that it was a sexual witch hunt. Hey it may be a
sexual witch hunt, but that don't mean the guy ain't a sexual witch does it?
So lead the charge and let's burn him at the stake! Ken Starr can marry
Hillary, adopt Chelsea, run for President and we'll all live happily ever after
in Kansas. LawyerIndy could even be the Attorney General. What ever happened
to him anyway?. I think you guys scared him off.
Gamblers Synonymous
conservative alike.
Hey Rob. No hatred here, I was just having fun with you and newwave.
Btw, I'm definately no republican just because I despise Clinton. They
are as repulsive as the democrats are dishonest. I tend to lean
conservative, especially on economic issues, but I don't want right wing
beauracrat assholes poking their noses into my life any more than I want
left wing loonies turning our country into an over- taxed, socialist
state.
Also, you are definately correct about LVSN. What a scumbag of a
publication! Have you considered legal action? I think too many people
are too quick to sue over just about anything, but when a person or
business is slandered on the internet without supporting evidence there
should be some recourse.
If LawyerIndy is still out there maybe he can comment on that.
Later, Jerry
Bill Gough
>I agree with you too Jerry. If I had a brain I would have found a different
>analogy :-)
>I seem to now be hated by democrat and republican, liberal and conservative
>alike. All I did was agree that it was a sexual witch hunt. Hey it may be a
>sexual witch hunt, but that don't mean the guy ain't a sexual witch does it?
>So lead the charge and let's burn him at the stake! Ken Starr can marry
>Hillary, adopt Chelsea, run for President and we'll all live happily ever after
>in Kansas. LawyerIndy could even be the Attorney General. What ever happened
>to him anyway?. I think you guys scared him off.
If it was a witch hunt they would be after Hillary.
RobGoodguy
Jerry -- I too can't seem to find a side that speaks for me lately.