Hand charge/Rake in Calif.
CRFERRY
If so what has been the responce from the players?
Has it made a diferenced in the drop to the house?
Would you go to a Raked game over a hand charge game if you could?
Thanks
Luck
Chuck
Bjgkaraoke
The rake system is illegal in Calif. They either take a time collection or a
per pot collection. Barbara Gallamore
CRFERRY
I had heard that some poker room was trying to change the rules to be able to
take a percentage of the pot inplace of the hand charge.
Chuck
North Shore Mike
The rake system is illegal in Calif. They either take a time collection
or a
> per pot collection. Barbara Gallamore
Barbara:
I could have sworn that, when I was at the Commerce in November, that the
drop was 10% to $4, plus $1 jackpot. Anyone confirm/deny this?
North Shore Mike
Who can't believe he ever played in a house where five bucks comes off the
table every hand
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Bennett Niizawa
> On Jan 1 2003 4:56PM, Bjgkaraoke wrote:
>
> The rake system is illegal in Calif. They either take a time collection
> or a
> > per pot collection. Barbara Gallamore
>
> Barbara:
>
> I could have sworn that, when I was at the Commerce in November, that the
> drop was 10% to $4, plus $1 jackpot. Anyone confirm/deny this?
I believe an accurate description is $4+1 is dropped if 10% of the cards
remaining in the stub are dealt out, and three of them are turned face up.
:-)
Rick Nebiolo
<anon...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 2 2003 12:00PM, North Shore Mike wrote:
>
>> On Jan 1 2003 4:56PM, Bjgkaraoke wrote:
>>
>> The rake system is illegal in Calif. They either take a time collection
>> or a
>> > per pot collection. Barbara Gallamore
>>
>> Barbara:
>>
>> I could have sworn that, when I was at the Commerce in November, that the
>> drop was 10% to $4, plus $1 jackpot. Anyone confirm/deny this?
>
>
>I believe an accurate description is $4+1 is dropped if 10% of the cards
>remaining in the stub are dealt out, and three of them are turned face up.
>:-)
>
Forget 10%. It may not be possible for some who play outside
California to imagine how "front loaded" the rake is at the Commerce
(and to a lesser extent all Los Angeles clubs) but in a 3/6 holdem
game a player can raise the blinds, the blinds fold, and the player
who raised gets his $6 back. In other words, $4 ($3 drop and $1
jackpot) is taken without even seeing a flop.
Regards,
Rick
John Harkness
I remember playing for the first time in LA in April, and seeing that
-- my jaw dropped about as far as it can drop.
John Harkness
Bennett Niizawa
> I remember playing for the first time in LA in April, and seeing that
> -- my jaw dropped about as far as it can drop.
No flop, jaw drop
North Shore Mike
> Forget 10%. It may not be possible for some who play outside
> California to imagine how "front loaded" the rake is at the Commerce
> (and to a lesser extent all Los Angeles clubs) but in a 3/6 holdem
> game a player can raise the blinds, the blinds fold, and the player
> who raised gets his $6 back. In other words, $4 ($3 drop and $1
> jackpot) is taken without even seeing a flop.
Wow. I didn't realize the entire drop was taken every hand; I just
assumed they took a buck out for every ten that went in the pot, up to the
$4 max.
Of course, in the $6-12 games I played, the smallest pot I saw all weekend
was around sixty bucks.
North Shore Mike
Rick Nebiolo
<anon...@canada.com> wrote:
>On Jan 2 2003 1:58PM, Rick Nebiolo wrote:
>
>> Forget 10%. It may not be possible for some who play outside
>> California to imagine how "front loaded" the rake is at the Commerce
>> (and to a lesser extent all Los Angeles clubs) but in a 3/6 holdem
>> game a player can raise the blinds, the blinds fold, and the player
>> who raised gets his $6 back. In other words, $4 ($3 drop and $1
>> jackpot) is taken without even seeing a flop.
>
>Wow. I didn't realize the entire drop was taken every hand; I just
>assumed they took a buck out for every ten that went in the pot, up to the
>$4 max.
Since early 1989 California law (or the law and court decisions as
interpreted by the Attorney General's Office) does not allow the drop
to be taken as a percentage of the pot. The Los Angeles County
Sheriff tended to interpret these laws/court decisions most strictly.
In fact, the drop, even if fixed, couldn't even be taken from the pot.
This is why in the early nineties small limit holdem games included an
ante from which drop was taken before the hand began. Thank God I was
mostly a time collection player by then.
In 1995 Hollywood Park instituted a "button drop". Initially it was
live (I was told the sheriff was on vacation), but when he came back
he quickly insisted it become a dead drop. Eventually all Los Angeles
clubs went to the dead drop for button games. In 2002 the law was
changed to allow drop to be taken from the pot, but it must always be
taken regardless of pot size.
Some clubs have been able to institute a modified drop if there is no
flop. At the Bike this is $1 for 8/16 thru 3/6, and 50 cents for the
smaller games. This still is terrible by normal (outside of
California) standards but a good deal in Los Angeles, especially
compared to the Commerce (the only reduction of collection at the
Commerce occurs when all pass - then they take the small blind - which
means $3 in a 9/18!).
The Normandie has an interesting variant were they take pieces of the
drop based on what one could call "events". For example, in 4/8
holdem $1 is taken before the hand begins (this serves as their
modified drop). The jackpot drop is taken the moment the flop comes
down. The second dollar is taken once there is a called bet on the
flop (or any other called bet). The third and final dollar of drop
(for 4/8 or 3/6) is taken when there is either a called raise on the
flop, a called bet on the turn, or a called bet on the river. To an
extent this mimics a Las Vegas style drop without the amount of drop
directly being tied to pot size. (BTW, this info comes from a
DETAILED in person survey I conducted last August or so - some
information may be out of date). I used the results of the survey as
an aid in convincing Bike management to make some improvements (e.g.,
the jackpot drop is not taken if there is no flop and we have the
lowest modified (no flop or no fourth street in stud) drop in town.
Middle (Royal) section business at the Bike has improved since.
If you use Google's advanced group search for my old posts (try my
name for author and "rake" or "drop" for search terms), you know I
firmly believe the front loading of the drop has driven away a large
part of our (meaning all Los Angeles clubs) customer base. Below
9/18, we have a higher percentage of collection oblivious players then
any large market on earth. This keeps the games unnaturally loose.
IMO with a more traditional rake we would have more games, faster
games (because they would be somewhat tighter), and a low limit
section that provides training for the higher limits.
If Los Angeles County has more poker than anywhere else on the planet
it is largely due to the fact that it is the only wealthy and populous
metropolitan area where poker has been legal for a long time and there
are few major gambling alternatives.
>Of course, in the $6-12 games I played, the smallest pot I saw all weekend
>was around sixty bucks.
In part this is due to the fact that if several tighter players
accidently started a game together, they would quickly disperse into
the normal super loose games via table changes in the larger clubs.
Sorry for the blather, but I needed to speed write to wind down from a
tough day.
Regards,
Rick
jep
<anon...@canada.com> wrote:
In card rooms and casinos in the San Diego Area, if there is no flop,
there is no drop... the $3 for the house and the $1 for the jackpot is
returned to the winning player...
Joe Karbo
gone, even if there is no further betting. Not as bad as LA, but still a
rip-off.
Joe
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