It looks so much like '1984'

[risky biz]

Ret. Adm. Dennis Blair, who was Director of National Intelligence from
Jan. 2009 to May 2010 on the subject of drone strikes: “This is no
different from decisions that are made on the battlefield all the time by
soldiers and Marines who are being shot at, not knowing who fired the
shot, having to make judgments on shooting back or not. This is the nature
of warfare.”

A very relevant statement if you ignore the fact that there's no
battlefield, no soldiers and Marines are being shot at, there's no need to
identify who fired the shot because there wasn't any shot, and no
judgement about shooting back is required because no one shot at anyone.

In the Obama administration this is what passes for a rationalization for
killing five to ten times as many women, children, and other
non-combatants as actual armed "combatants" which is defined as anyone who
has a gun in areas where it has been common to carry guns for hundreds of
years.

[ramashiva]

On Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:05:55 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

> In the Obama administration this is what passes for a rationalization for
> killing five to ten times as many women, children, and other
> non-combatants as actual armed "combatants" which is defined as anyone who
> has a gun in areas where it has been common to carry guns for hundreds of
> years.

Don't you and the other hysterical drama queens ever get tired of spouting nonsense? Weren't you clueless clowns recently claiming 50 civilians were killed for every terrorist? The information to establish precise estimates of the civilian/terrorist kill ratio simply isn't available, but this study sounds pretty authoritative to me --

http://articles.courant.com/2013-02-13/news/hc-op-harris-domestic-drones-getting-closer-0214-20130213_1_drone-strikes-civilians-missile-strikes

According to the report "Living under Drones: Death, Injury and Trauma to Civilians from U.S. Drone Practices in Pakistan," the U.S. position that drone strikes in Pakistan are surgically precise in targeting terrorists with minimal civilian casualties or other downsides is false.

The report, conducted by the Stanford University School of Law International Human Rights and Conflict Resolution Clinic and the NYU School of Law Global Justice Clinic, is a result of on-the-ground reporting with victims and witnesses, along with numerous documents.

It found that from June 2004 to September 2012, drone strikes killed 2,562 to 3,325 people in Pakistan. Between 474 and 881 of these were said to be civilians. This means 18 percent to 24 percent of those killed were civilians, including children. Conversely, it could be extrapolated that 76 percent to 82 percent of those killed were terrorists. The question then becomes whether this kill rate of terrorists to civilians is acceptable.


William Coleman (ramashiva)

[VegasJerry]

On Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:05:55 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

So when Bush bombed civilians in Iraq (and everything else) with his Shock and Awe, he was targeting what?

Jerry 'n Vegas

[risky biz]

On Jun 16 2013 12:55 AM, ramashiva wrote:

> On Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:05:55 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:

In any case, the main subject of my post was the "doublespeak" aspect of
the US Government statement.

[risky biz]

On Jun 16 2013 12:55 AM, ramashiva wrote:

Is this the "hysterical drama queen" "nonsense" claim you're talking about?

"The number of “high-level” targets killed as a percentage of total
casualties is extremely low—estimated at just 2%.[4] Furthermore, evidence
suggests that US strikes have facilitated recruitment to violent non-state
armed groups, and motivated further violent attacks. As the New York Times
has reported, “drones have replaced Guantánamo as the recruiting tool of
choice for militants.”[5] Drone strikes have also soured many Pakistanis
on cooperation with the US and undermined US-Pakistani rel­ations. One
major study shows that 74% of Pakistanis now consider the US an enemy.[6]"
http://www.livingunderdrones.org/

Your comment is a little confusing because the quote above is from the
reference YOU provided.

The simple fact of the matter is that targeting civilians who go to the
aid of injured persons, targeting funerals, and targeting ordinary
community gatherings are crimes under international law. I'm referring to
laws that began to be established after WWII as a result of nazi
atrocities against civilians. There is indisputable evidence that the US
has done exactly that.

It's also easy to produce quotes that portray the civilian death toll in a
more positive light but that's completely meaningless when the US
government classifies as a "militant" anyone who is of military age in
wide geographic areas. If everyone of military age in the United States
was killed our population would drop by at least half. Such a thing would
easily qualify as "collective punishment", something the nazis were famous
for.

[Dave the Clueless]

On Jun 16 2013 10:54 AM, VegasJerry wrote:

> So when Bush bombed civilians in Iraq (and everything else) with his Shock
and Awe, he was targeting
> what?
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas

Here, retard, this will help.

http://bit.ly/17dYUXZ

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JerryFOREX the retard thinks "Cornel Ronald West (born June 2, 1953) is an
American philosopher, academic, activist, author and prominent member of
the Democratic Socialists of America" is a right-winger! LOL! HAHAHAHAH!
What a moron!!!

[Dave the Clueless]

"Surgical precision" is not a proper term for something that has an 82%
accuracy rate.

[Pepe Papon]

On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 13:09:18 -0700, "Dave the Clueless"
<a98...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
>"Surgical precision" is not a proper term for something that has an 82%
>accuracy rate.

Some surgeons are better than others.
--

Pepe Papon

[Dave the Clueless]

I like cookies.

[VegasJerry]

On Sunday, June 16, 2013 8:18:40 AM UTC-7, Dave the Clueless wrote:
> On Jun 16 2013 10:54 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > So when Bush bombed civilians in Iraq (and everything else) with his Shock
> and Awe, he was targeting
> > what?
> >
> > Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> Here, retard, this will help.
>
> http://bit.ly/17dYUXZ

Inability to answer (and dodge) noted.

> JerryFOREX the retard thinks "Cornel Ronald West (born June 2, 1953) is an
> American philosopher, academic, activist, author and prominent member of
> the Democratic Socialists of America" is a right-winger! LOL! HAHAHAHAH!
> What a moron!!!

Jerry 'n Vegas

Dave the Clueless makes up a position for me by renaming me then makes up a position about what he thinks I'm thinking about someone I don't know then he argues the name he made up and argues against what he thinks I think. Then this moron calls me a moron. Clueless can't really embarrass himself any better than this. This wins even over the fact this revelation also embarrasses him. What a three-time loser.

[Dave the Clueless]

Inability to perform a simple google search noted.

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[VegasJerry]

Heh, you still can't answer...