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popinjay999
Apr 20, 2013, 7:19:54 AM4/20/13
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"The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as
potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
counsel."
"The goal is to gather intelligence and protect our nation which is
under threat from radical Islam."
-- Sen. Lindsey Graham at GrahamBlog
"A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law
enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the
Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately
without having Miranda rights issued to him."
"The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will
be responsible for questioning him." -- ABC News
potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
counsel."
"The goal is to gather intelligence and protect our nation which is
under threat from radical Islam."
-- Sen. Lindsey Graham at GrahamBlog
"A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law
enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the
Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately
without having Miranda rights issued to him."
"The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will
be responsible for questioning him." -- ABC News
BillB
Apr 20, 2013, 8:43:51 AM4/20/13
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On 20/04/2013 4:19 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> "The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as
> potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
> counsel."
Dubious claim, at best.
> "The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as
> potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
> counsel."
> "A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law
> enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the
> Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately
> without having Miranda rights issued to him."
>
> "The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will
> be responsible for questioning him." -- ABC News
he's a born defense lawyer). No need to read this guy his Miranda rights
at all.
VegasJerry
Apr 20, 2013, 11:10:06 AM4/20/13
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:43:51 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
> On 20/04/2013 4:19 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
>
> > "The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as
> > potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
> > counsel."
>
> Dubious claim, at best.
>
> > "A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law
> > enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the
> > Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately
> > without having Miranda rights issued to him."
> >
> > "The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will
> > be responsible for questioning him." -- ABC News
.
> On 20/04/2013 4:19 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
>
> > "The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as
> > potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
> > counsel."
>
> Dubious claim, at best.
>
> > "A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law
> > enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the
> > Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately
> > without having Miranda rights issued to him."
> >
> > "The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will
> > be responsible for questioning him." -- ABC News
.> I think this was a smart move (I know Alan Derschowitz disagrees, but
> he's a born defense lawyer). No need to read this guy his Miranda rights
> at all.
Spot on, Bill. Many's the guy I've arrested and have ask me, "Aren’t you going to read me my Miranda Rights?"
> at all.
"What for? I caught you red handed and don't have any questions."
"I am a racist. I hate niggers and spics and slants. I was born here. We are not Africans. They stand on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: These knuckleheads say, Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... These lower economic people are not holding up their end. These People put their clothes on backward, their hats on backward, pants down around the crack. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap. The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans. What part of Africa did they come from? We have got to take the neighborhoods back. I should have included kikes and lesbos too. Put all of them are in jail."
-- Susan the right-wing racist (April 11, 10:50 am)
O-PGManager
Apr 20, 2013, 1:46:54 PM4/20/13
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On Apr 20 2013 11:10 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
> On Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:43:51 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
> > On 20/04/2013 4:19 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> >
> > > "The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as
> > > potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
> > > counsel."
> >
> > Dubious claim, at best.
> >
> > > "A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law
> > > enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the
> > > Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately
> > > without having Miranda rights issued to him."
> > >
> > > "The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will
> > > be responsible for questioning him." -- ABC News
>
> .
> ..> I think this was a smart move (I know Alan Derschowitz disagrees, but
> On Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:43:51 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
> > On 20/04/2013 4:19 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> >
> > > "The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as
> > > potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
> > > counsel."
> >
> > Dubious claim, at best.
> >
> > > "A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law
> > > enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the
> > > Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately
> > > without having Miranda rights issued to him."
> > >
> > > "The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will
> > > be responsible for questioning him." -- ABC News
>
> .
> > he's a born defense lawyer). No need to read this guy his Miranda rights
> > at all.
>
> Spot on, Bill. Many's the guy I've arrested and have ask me, "Aren’t you
going to read me my Miranda
> Rights?"
>
> "What for? I caught you red handed and don't have any questions."
jfc jerry, what if he confesses to some totally unrelated crime and now
> > at all.
>
> Spot on, Bill. Many's the guy I've arrested and have ask me, "Aren’t you
going to read me my Miranda
> Rights?"
>
> "What for? I caught you red handed and don't have any questions."
your failure to give Miranda has poisoned the tree of that investigation?
>
> "I am a racist. I hate niggers and spics and slants. I was born here. We are
not Africans. They
> stand on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way
these people talk: These
> knuckleheads say, Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay,
Where he work, Who you
People put their clothes on
> backward, their hats on backward, pants down around the crack. With names
like Shaniqua, Taliqua and
> Mohammed and all of that crap.. The same applies to 99 percent of all the
> backward, their hats on backward, pants down around the crack. With names
like Shaniqua, Taliqua and
black Americans. What part
> of Africa did they come from? We have got to take the neighborhoods back. I
should have included
> kikes and lesbos too. Put all of them are in jail."
> -- Susan the right-wing racist (April 11, 10:50 am)
Opie G. Manager
> of Africa did they come from? We have got to take the neighborhoods back. I
should have included
> kikes and lesbos too. Put all of them are in jail."
> -- Susan the right-wing racist (April 11, 10:50 am)
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popinjay999
Apr 20, 2013, 2:00:53 PM4/20/13
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On Apr 20, 10:46 am, "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> jfc jerry, what if he confesses to some totally unrelated crime and now
> your failure to give Miranda has poisoned the tree of that investigation?
>
I've brought this up before. People should refrain from responding to
>
> jfc jerry, what if he confesses to some totally unrelated crime and now
> your failure to give Miranda has poisoned the tree of that investigation?
>
Jerry until he rids his posts of that very offensive "signature line".
Travel A
Apr 20, 2013, 5:16:47 PM4/20/13
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Turd blithered:
Is that why you were only a sheriff for a year and a half?
The exception to not reading the Miranda rights is used in a situation
of public safety, where questioning the suspect for further information
may save lives, etc.
And your "red handed" part: in court, the defendants lawyer would surely
have a different view of whether it was "red handed." Not to mention the
fact that you'd be required to read the Miranda rights upon an arrest,
sans the exception.
You just "made up" that crap as a "smart remark," right ? Even you're
not that stupid. And if you just made it up, you're very close to being
that stupid.
But on the topic at hand, this terrorist doesn't have to be determined
to be an enemy combatant to question him without "Miranda rights" if
it's, as mentioned, a public safety situation.
The point is, it's doubtful that the Obama administration (that doesn't
even recognize a "Bushian" "War On Terror") will have him tried before a
military tribunal; and what's happened so far (no immediate Miranda
rights) is really no indication to the contrary.
McCain and Graham are just grandstanding in pretending that they're
conservatives on an "easy one" as usual, because they know damn well
that an "enemy combatant" status isn't going to happen under Obama.
.
Spot on, Bill. Many's the guy I've arrested and have ask me,
"Aren�t you going to read me my Miranda Rights?"
"What for? I caught you red handed and don't have any questions."
I wrote:
Is that why you were only a sheriff for a year and a half?
The exception to not reading the Miranda rights is used in a situation
of public safety, where questioning the suspect for further information
may save lives, etc.
And your "red handed" part: in court, the defendants lawyer would surely
have a different view of whether it was "red handed." Not to mention the
fact that you'd be required to read the Miranda rights upon an arrest,
sans the exception.
You just "made up" that crap as a "smart remark," right ? Even you're
not that stupid. And if you just made it up, you're very close to being
that stupid.
But on the topic at hand, this terrorist doesn't have to be determined
to be an enemy combatant to question him without "Miranda rights" if
it's, as mentioned, a public safety situation.
The point is, it's doubtful that the Obama administration (that doesn't
even recognize a "Bushian" "War On Terror") will have him tried before a
military tribunal; and what's happened so far (no immediate Miranda
rights) is really no indication to the contrary.
McCain and Graham are just grandstanding in pretending that they're
conservatives on an "easy one" as usual, because they know damn well
that an "enemy combatant" status isn't going to happen under Obama.
.
BillB
Apr 20, 2013, 6:29:21 PM4/20/13
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On 20/04/2013 10:46 AM, O-PGManager wrote:
> jfc jerry, what if he confesses to some totally unrelated crime and now
> your failure to give Miranda has poisoned the tree of that investigation?
jfc opie, how many times do you plan on giving this guy the death
> jfc jerry, what if he confesses to some totally unrelated crime and now
> your failure to give Miranda has poisoned the tree of that investigation?
penalty? While I have mixed feelings about the death penalty, I firmly
believe it should only be administered once to any given convict.
Adam Russell
Apr 21, 2013, 12:11:21 PM4/21/13
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gather intelligence to prevent future terrorism, not to gather evidence
to prosecute the person being "interviewed". Any evidence garnered sans
Miranda rights would not be admissible in civilian court.
VegasJerry
Apr 21, 2013, 12:52:20 PM4/21/13
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:46:54 AM UTC-7, O-PGManager wrote:
> On Apr 20 2013 11:10 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:43:51 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
> > > On 20/04/2013 4:19 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> > >
> > > > "The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as
> > > > potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
> > > > counsel."
> > >
> > > Dubious claim, at best.
> > >
> > > > "A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law
> > > > enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the
> > > > Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately
> > > > without having Miranda rights issued to him."
> > > >
> > > > "The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will
> > > > be responsible for questioning him." -- ABC News
> >
> > .
> > ..> I think this was a smart move (I know Alan Derschowitz disagrees, but
> > > he's a born defense lawyer). No need to read this guy his Miranda rights
> > > at all.
> >
> > Spot on, Bill. Many's the guy I've arrested and have ask me, "Aren’t you
> going to read me my Miranda
> > Rights?"
> >
> > "What for? I caught you red handed and don't have any questions."
.
> On Apr 20 2013 11:10 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:43:51 AM UTC-7, BillB wrote:
> > > On 20/04/2013 4:19 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> > >
> > > > "The Law of War allows us to hold individual in this scenario as
> > > > potential enemy combatant w/o Miranda warnings or appointment of
> > > > counsel."
> > >
> > > Dubious claim, at best.
> > >
> > > > "A senior Justice Department official told ABC News that federal law
> > > > enforcement officials are invoking the public safety exception to the
> > > > Miranda rights, so that Tsarnaev will be questioned immediately
> > > > without having Miranda rights issued to him."
> > > >
> > > > "The federal government's high value detainee interrogation group will
> > > > be responsible for questioning him." -- ABC News
> >
> > .
> > ..> I think this was a smart move (I know Alan Derschowitz disagrees, but
> > > he's a born defense lawyer). No need to read this guy his Miranda rights
> > > at all.
> >
> > Spot on, Bill. Many's the guy I've arrested and have ask me, "Aren’t you
> going to read me my Miranda
> > Rights?"
> >
> > "What for? I caught you red handed and don't have any questions."
.> jfc jerry, what if he confesses to some totally unrelated crime and now
> your failure to give Miranda has poisoned the tree of that investigation?
JFC, O, play your silly WHAT-IF games with others.
"I am a racist. I hate niggers and spics and slants. I was born here. We are not Africans. They stand on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: These knuckleheads say, Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... These lower economic people are not holding up their end. These People put their clothes on backward, their hats on backward, pants down around the crack. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap. The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans. What part of Africa did they come from? We have got to take the neighborhoods back. I should have included kikes and lesbos too. Put all of them are in jail."
VegasJerry
Apr 21, 2013, 12:54:22 PM4/21/13
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 11:00:53 AM UTC-7, popinjay999 wrote:
> On Apr 20, 10:46 am, "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> > jfc jerry, what if he confesses to some totally unrelated crime and now
> > your failure to give Miranda has poisoned the tree of that investigation?
.
> On Apr 20, 10:46 am, "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> > jfc jerry, what if he confesses to some totally unrelated crime and now
> > your failure to give Miranda has poisoned the tree of that investigation?
.> I've brought this up before. People should refrain from responding to
> Jerry until he rids his posts of that very offensive "signature line".
And you should refrain from telling others what you think they should do to make you happy.
"I am a racist. I hate niggers and spics and slants. I was born here. We are not Africans. They stand on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: These knuckleheads say, Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... These lower economic people are not holding up their end. These People put their clothes on backward, their hats on backward, pants down around the crack. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap. The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans. What part of Africa did they come from? We have got to take the neighborhoods back. I should have included kikes and lesbos too. Put all of them are in jail."
VegasJerry
Apr 21, 2013, 1:06:30 PM4/21/13
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 2:16:47 PM UTC-7, Travel wrote:
> Turd blithered:
> Spot on, Bill. Many's the guy I've arrested and have ask me,
> "Aren�t you going to read me my Miranda Rights?"
> "What for? I caught you red handed and don't have any questions."
>
.
> Turd blithered:
> Spot on, Bill. Many's the guy I've arrested and have ask me,
> "Aren�t you going to read me my Miranda Rights?"
> "What for? I caught you red handed and don't have any questions."
>
.> I wrote:
> Is that why you were only a sheriff for a year and a half?
You remain a fool and, as above, continually wrong. The only reason I occasionally read and reply to your posts is to bitch-slap you for the entertainment of other.
> Is that why you were only a sheriff for a year and a half?
> The exception to not reading the Miranda rights is used in a situation
> of public safety, where questioning the suspect for further information
> may save lives, etc.
.
.> And your "red handed" part: in court, the defendants lawyer would surely
> have a different view of whether it was "red handed."
You stupid fuck. If the DA even considered having to ask the perp a something important, pertaining to hanging the fuck, and before he has a lawyer, he'd Mirandized him. They always do.
> Not to mention the fact that you'd be required to read the Miranda rights
> upon an arrest, sans the exception.
Jerry 'n Vegas
"I am a racist. I hate niggers and spics and slants. I was born here. We are not Africans. They stand on the corner and they can't speak English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: These knuckleheads say, Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where he work, Who you be... These lower economic people are not holding up their end. These People put their clothes on backward, their hats on backward, pants down around the crack. With names like Shaniqua, Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap. The same applies to 99 percent of all the black Americans. What part of Africa did they come from? We have got to take the neighborhoods back. I should have included kikes and lesbos too. Put all of them are in jail."
-- Susan the right-wing racist (April 11, 10:50 am)
>
Travel A
Apr 21, 2013, 7:59:35 PM4/21/13
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Lol, well, Turd, unfortunately for you (as usual), as you stated "many's
the guy I arrested" you're caught in your own web of idiocy.
Reread, and you'll see that that statement wipes-out your entire,
squirming-weasel reply-attempt.
the guy I arrested" you're caught in your own web of idiocy.
Reread, and you'll see that that statement wipes-out your entire,
squirming-weasel reply-attempt.
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