Don't be part of the scam at the WSOP (A MUST READ)
pokerplayerwithrights
went to the main Cashier to register and pay my entry. First let me say
that I play in about 15 tournaments every year at the WSOP. I have made
3 final tables but have yet to win a bracelet. I live in Las Vegas and
play in many of the NL games in town. I own several businesses, pay my
taxes and have a nice home and family. I have a large amount of
discretionary income to play in these tournaments (no kids) and am not
a stupid person.
When I asked the cashier for the registration form i was given a sheet
that (to my suprise) asked for my date of birth, my home address my
phone number and my E-mail address (along with the normal name etc.) I
did what I always do and only put my name, city, st, and E-mail. I then
handed it to the cashier along with my I.D. so that she could verify
who I was and my Identity for cash reporting If i went over the limits.
She started to write down all of my other info from my drivers license
and i asked her to stop and to get a supervisor. Eric Burton, a cage
supervisor, came over and immediatly started telling me lies. I said
"Why do you need all of my personal information when I am nowhere near
the cash reporting requirments to do so?" He said it was not for cash
reporting but was needed in case the starting time changed for a
tournament and then they could contact me. I said here is my email and
i check it 20 times a day. He then said it was a requirment to play in
the wsop to give all of your personal info. I told him that I would
provide my I.D. any time I made a cash payment of more than 3K to them
and that at that time they could record only what was required for the
cash reporting form but that was not good enough. (The only purpose
someone needs your DOB is for identity theft or to check you for
warrants if they are law enforcement. IMHO)
I live here and I read the paper everyday. On countless occasions I
have seen stories about Valet attendants looking at the address in the
registrations in your cars and selling that info to teams of burglars
who break into your home knowing that you are at a casino. The same
thing with waiters at nice resturants. Not to mention how much that
info is worth to the employees of Harrahs who decide to sell this list
which has all the info needed to steal the identity of the 10's of
thousands who play at the WSOP every year. People who have money.
How easy is it to look in the computer and tell that 2000 players are
in a tournament at noon on friday, and 673 of them are not at their
local home. You get the picture.
I am not a zealot, I have never written a letter like this before. But
this has hit a very big nerve with me and I would hope, with you all. I
hope that this letter gets cut and pasted to every poker player in the
world. I want you to know something...Without us (the players) there
would be no WSOP! I will not bring the money they are making into the
picture because they earn it by bringing so many players together at
the same time for us to try to win monster prizes. This is not the
point. The point is that what they are requiring is very dangerous to
every single one of us. Not just those of us that live here but what
about the burglars, thiefs and rapists who are being sold out of town
info who have a "friend" on the inside with access to our info.
They told me "The information is perfectly safe with us"!
In the last 10 year we have seen the head of the United Way run off
with over $7,000,000.00 and whole teams of casino workers taken down
for selling the information of their patrons.
Last year I spent over $40,000.00 in entry fees for events at the WSOP.
I was planning on doing the circuit next year. I will not pay Harrahs
one more dime of profits until they change this policy where it is safe
for us.
I hope at least enough of you care about this to make a difference.
A very concerned player
I Would post my real name but dont want to be the target of the
"Friend" on the inside.
O-PGManager
Well said.
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Don
can't be so paranoid that you won't give out basic information to someone
like that. They have policies in place for a reason, and most any larger
company has policies in place to keep that information confidential. Just
remember every time you apply for credit you are giving someone and
opportunity to steal your identity! The best defense is using some sort of
tool like Equifax. I work in a business where we ask for personal
information, and it annoys the hell out of me when people get mad because we
ask for it. If you don't want to give it fine, go somewhere else, we ask
for it for a reason.
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O-PGManager
And what the hell reason does Harrahs need his DOB???
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Don
Surveying your customers with this type of information allows you to better
serve them.
You host the tournament a bit different if its 90% 21 and younger then if
its 90% 40 and over.
Don
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a reason".
You have got to be kidding me, "Go somewhere else"?, it's the World
series man...tell me where there holding the other one. Please only
intelligent replys to this very serious problem.
Casey
A person's DOB is quite another. Especially when coupled with a DL#
and a physical address.
Try again?
Don
available to anyone, think of the part time clerk taking applications for
credit at a Khols department store. They could easily write down this
information including your SS# DOB, address etc. Its easier to protect from
it by watching for it.
Don
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pokerplayerwithrights
#1 That clerk will not know where i will be (away from my home)
everytime I sign in for a tournament.
#2 That clerk does not work in an environment that runs on tokes, tips,
payoffs and cash for any info you want for a price.
#3 Where is that "info" i needed from you? I am trying to put together
a demograhic of responders to my post. (a Legit reason to want your
Date of birth and Home address correct?
ignstign
But, if think this is bullshit, just wait for the national ID cards that are
coming in the name of "Homeland Security".
This administration has used fear and false hope to run roughshod over the
rights of the American people.
They'd have us to believe that, in order to preserve our safety, we must give up
our rights to privacy, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure and even the
right to an attorney (if you are suspected of terroristic acts).
All of this will not protect us. The experts agree that stopping a
briefcase-sized nuke, when we have 6,000,000 plus containers shipped here daily
from overseas is just not possible.
So, why are we giving up our rights?
ignstign
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probably more dangerous (and honestly worth more attention than this),
that does make it ok for Harrah's to do this or make this guy wrong for
thinking so.
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from you.
As an example I was referred to a new Neurologist a few weeks ago.
Because I was new they expected me to fill out there paperwork. Well
they asked for my DL#, SSN, Mothers maiden name, DOB and checking
account #. Needless to say I just left the office. There is no way
in hell I am givng out all that information to anyone.
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dtkodak
On May 30 2005 10:56 PM, ignstign wrote:
> I'm with you. This is bullshit.
>
> But, if think this is bullshit, just wait for the national ID cards that are
> coming in the name of "Homeland Security".
>
> This administration has used fear and false hope to run roughshod over the
> rights of the American people.
>
> They'd have us to believe that, in order to preserve our safety, we must give
> up
> our rights to privacy, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure and even
> the
> right to an attorney (if you are suspected of terroristic acts).
>
> All of this will not protect us. The experts agree that stopping a
> briefcase-sized nuke, when we have 6,000,000 plus containers shipped here
> daily
> from overseas is just not possible.
>
> So, why are we giving up our rights?
>
> ignstign
>
>
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say thank you" - Red Foreman
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>They have policies in place for a reason,
It's usually a dumbass reason, too. I'm reminded of the stores I've
gone to that wanted my DL information *and* my SSN when I write a
check. I tell them if they stick to that policy they can keep their
merchandise because they aren't getting my SSN. Remarkably, *every
one* of these stores has decided that the DL is good enough.
>and most any larger
>company has policies in place to keep that information confidential.
Oh, for Christ's sake. As if an employee who's selling our data gives
a shit about the company policy.
>Just
>remember every time you apply for credit you are giving someone and
>opportunity to steal your identity!
That doesn't mean that every other company on the planet has a right
to ask it of us.
Peg
Pete S
the same name.
yowma...@yahoo.com
the receipt and they asked for ID. She showed them the ID. They then
asked for her social securty number. She didn't give it. A friggin
store needs someone's social security number to return something? Some
of this crap is seriously out of hand.
Saturn27
credibility when he posts the same thing 3 times. 2 as a post and one
as a response.
Saturn27
Saturn27
Saturn27
mo_charles
>
> But, if think this is bullshit, just wait for the national ID cards that are
> coming in the name of "Homeland Security".
>
> This administration has used fear and false hope to run roughshod over the
> rights of the American people.
>
> They'd have us to believe that, in order to preserve our safety, we must
give up
> our rights to privacy, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure and even
the
> right to an attorney (if you are suspected of terroristic acts).
>
> All of this will not protect us. The experts agree that stopping a
> briefcase-sized nuke, when we have 6,000,000 plus containers shipped here
daily
> from overseas is just not possible.
>
> So, why are we giving up our rights?
yep, that national id's gonna be a huge burden to you and your rights -
shit, it'll be just like a driver's license! we all know how troubling
those are.......
mo_charles
Susan
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responses.
Saturn27
John Harkness
gic...@yahoo.com
SS purposes. I think I am about the only person who knows this, and of
course everyone breaks this law including the US govt.
Susan
anyone else who has signed up.
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Pete S
And as a side point I just registered for an event and the form does not ask
for the Social Security number.
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bonkey
On May 31 2005 12:30 AM, Don wrote:
> Being careful of who you give your information to is very important, but you
> can't be so paranoid that you won't give out basic information to someone
> like that. They have policies in place for a reason, and most any larger
> company has policies in place to keep that information confidential. Just
> remember every time you apply for credit you are giving someone and
> opportunity to steal your identity! The best defense is using some sort of
> tool like Equifax. I work in a business where we ask for personal
> information, and it annoys the hell out of me when people get mad because we
> ask for it. If you don't want to give it fine, go somewhere else, we ask
> for it for a reason.
>
If I am ever in your buisness, you will see the back of my head. I have no
problem walking out.
If I walk into a company to buy X. I hand you money you hand me X and a receipt.
The end. You don't get my personal info.
It makes me mad as hell that I am assualted with this this everywhere I go. I
have had to take to telling people I don't have a phone, or an address. Then
what do you do?
My information is mine to protect. I will not trust companies to do it for me.
bonkey
On May 31 2005 12:38 AM, Don wrote:
> Maybe to classify the average age of entrants...
> Surveying your customers with this type of information allows you to better
> serve them.
> You host the tournament a bit different if its 90% 21 and younger then if
> its 90% 40 and over.
>
> Don
>
that is not a NEED. Words mean things people. Let's not just ignore the
dictionary.
Wanting something and needing it are two diferent things.
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On May 31 2005 1:30 AM, Don wrote:
> Being careful of who you give your information to is very important, but you
> can't be so paranoid that you won't give out basic information to someone
> like that. They have policies in place for a reason, and most any larger
> company has policies in place to keep that information confidential. Just
> remember every time you apply for credit you are giving someone and
> opportunity to steal your identity! The best defense is using some sort of
> tool like Equifax. I work in a business where we ask for personal
> information, and it annoys the hell out of me when people get mad because we
> ask for it. If you don't want to give it fine, go somewhere else, we ask
> for it for a reason.
What type of business and for just what reason?
There are legitimate needs for this information - like getting a loan, opening a
bank account, getting a job taking care of other people's children, hiring a hit
man.....that sort of thing.......
But, requiring me to give out my personal info for other purchases is just not
neccessary for the transaction.
The whole damned argument is mute. Your information is already easily
attainable by anyone that really wants it. If you don't think so, you are sadly
mistaken.
Privacy is dead.
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diablo_tejano
the same name."
And I suppose they all live at the same address????
dt
diablo_tejano
'Cause We're stupid, and because it's more convenient...
You're right, though. CNN had an interesting hour-long presentation on
identity theft just last week. Frightening!!!!
dt
Aboo
you will be required to have it on you at all times. Failure to
produced it to a law-enforcement officer for ANY reason is reason
enough to put you in jail.
This is the FIRST thing that's happened since the Patriot Act that has
actually made me personally nervous about the direction of the
countries law-makers.
When they start requiring a National ID before any purchase... we'll
here the Preachers screaming that the Rapture is nigh.
mo_charles
> you will be required to have it on you at all times. Failure to
> produced it to a law-enforcement officer for ANY reason is reason
> enough to put you in jail.
so you're scared of a 'rumor', not the actual ID?
> This is the FIRST thing that's happened since the Patriot Act that has
> actually made me personally nervous about the direction of the
> countries law-makers.
but it's just a 'rumor'.
> When they start requiring a National ID before any purchase... we'll
> here the Preachers screaming that the Rapture is nigh.
where do you people get this stuff?
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> > When they start requiring a National ID before any purchase... we'll
> > here the Preachers screaming that the Rapture is nigh.
>
> where do you people get this stuff?
>
> mo_charles
OOOHHH! I know this one!
Aboo was referring to a passage in Revelations which tells about the mark
of the beast. Required for all business transactions, etc.
WardenS
N.B. - I am answering your question, not offering any reinforcement to the
ideas behind the answer.
mo_charles
> > > here the Preachers screaming that the Rapture is nigh.
> >
> > where do you people get this stuff?
>
> Aboo was referring to a passage in Revelations which tells about the mark
> of the beast. Required for all business transactions, etc.
> WardenS
i douse thee with holy water.
mo_charles
ignstign
On May 31 2005 8:23 AM, mo_charles wrote:
>
> yep, that national id's gonna be a huge burden to you and your rights -
> shit, it'll be just like a driver's license! we all know how troubling
> those are.......
It's NOTHING like a driver's license. It's a national id card.....you know,
like the Nazis forced everyone to carry before they started weeding out the
Jews.
It's a way to track the habits, spending and movements of law-abiding citizens.
Why do you need to track the spending habits and movements of law-abiding
citizens? I can think of no good reason.
Ahhh, yes! TO FIGHT TERRORISM (insert favorite nationalist music here) AND
PRESERVE THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE!
But, the "American way of life" meant freedom from unreasonable searches and
siezures and freedom from intrusive government agencies like the FBI or Secret
Service. "The American way of life" typically meant a right to privacy and
"innocent until proven guilty".....until now.
If I may....."
Federally imposed standards for drivers' licenses and birth certificates make
a mockery of federalism and the 10th amendment. While states technically are
not forced to accept the federal standards, any refusal to comply would mean
their residents could not get a job, receive Social Security, or travel by
plane. So rather than imposing a direct mandate on the states, the federal
government is blackmailing them into complying with federal dictates. One
overriding point has been forgotten: Criminals don't obey laws! As with gun
control, national ID cards will only affect law-abiding citizens. Do we
really believe a terrorist bent on murder is going to dutifully obtain a
federal ID card? Do we believe that people who openly flout our immigration
laws will nonetheless respect our ID requirements? Any ID card can be forged;
any federal agency or state DMV is susceptible to corruption. Criminals can
and will obtain national ID cards, or operate without them. National ID cards
will be used to track the law-abiding masses, not criminals."
(http://www.antiwar.com/paul/?articleid=5887)
A national id card will provide a false sense of security. For example, "
The overwhelming majority of the hijackers were in the US legally and had no
record with the FBI or other security agency. In other words, they could have
obtained a legitimate ID card and the authentication checks prior to boarding
the plane would have not have revealed anything that would have aroused the
suspicions of authorities.
A NIDS offers no security against terrorists who have no record of prior
misconduct and are not worried about being identified after the attack (possibly
because they will be dead)." (http://www.cpsr.org/issues/privacy/natidfaq)
A national id card means that you and those with whom you associate will be
tracked. This means less freedom to associate with people who propose ideas
that are not mainstream (like allowing blacks and women to vote, voting for
equal rights for homosexuals as well as heterosexuals under the law and others).
Quoting again from http://www.cpsr.org/issues/privacy/natidfaq,
"People who are easily and constantly tracked by a central authority are not
free people.
Moreover, when everyone is tracked, their associations are tracked as well. In
1965, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP)
refused to give the State of Georgia a list of Georgia members for fear that the
people listed would be harrassed or harmed. The U.S. Supreme Court backed the
NAACP, arguing that we are free to associate without being tracked and watched.
The U.S. courts and Congress have repeatedly recognized that people under
constant surveillance are not free."
The weasels that proposed the national id legislation knew that the congressmen
and senators would never vote for such an intrusion into the private lives of
their constiuency, so they attached it as a rider to an emergency military
spending bill, because they knew that nobody wanted to vote down the financial
support that our troops need.
Attaching riders that are not directly related to the bill being voted upon
should be made unconstitutional and punishable by impeachment and a lengthy
prison term. This is where most pork barrel spending sneaks in and it must be
stopped if we are to ever have a true handle on what gets passed and paid for in
the US government.
A national id card is the begining of the end of freedom in America. Throughout
history, democracies have almost always ended with anarchy or a dictatorship.
It seems we are being set up for a dictatorship.
ignstign
Quick
> On May 31 2005 8:23 AM, mo_charles wrote:
>>
>> yep, that national id's gonna be a huge burden to you
>> and your rights - shit, it'll be just like a driver's
>> license! we all know how troubling those are.......
>
> It's NOTHING like a driver's license. It's a national id
> card.....you know, like the Nazis forced everyone to
> carry before they started weeding out the Jews.
>
> It's a way to track the habits, spending and movements of
> law-abiding citizens.
So how about if it was optional (like a driver's license)?
If you want to use the fast track lane at the airport and
other expedited things you get a National ID card. If you
object to having one you you get in line for the full verification
processing, etc.
Or would you then claim discrimination.
-Quick
ignstign
"Wouldn't a voluntary NIDS improve security while preserving civil liberties?
This would be even worse than a mandatory system. First, it would make
untrustworthy anyone who does not have a card. A lot of energy would be wasted
checking people who are only suspects because they don't have a card. Second,
less time would be spent checking people who have a card because they apparently
have already been cleared.
In effect, it would make life easier for terrorists like whose who committed the
attacks on September 11 because they could use their ID cards while security
personnel would concentrate on those without one.
This structural inefficiency of a voluntary system would create great pressure
to make it mandatory over time."
(http://www.cpsr.org/issues/privacy/natidfaq#Q9)
> Or would you then claim discrimination.
Not me. Dicrimination is a good thing. It's how we tell bad snakes from good
ones. It's also how we identify "arabic" or "asian" or "white" men when looking
for crimminal suspects. Unfortunately, the PC wing of America is under the
delusion that all discrimination is bad.
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So you don't "have" to have one, but not having one makes your life a real pain
in the ass? Like a car, driver's license, credit card...
ignstign
Just make up stuff.....I do. It's easier than arguing with them.
Especially when the assholes that just took your money for a crappy product
require all of your info to return it - I get all crazy creative.
Sometimes I'm Ike Turner.....sometimes Linus Torvalds......just whatever.
We ought to require their personal info when they sell stuff to us.
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On May 31 2005 4:01 PM, PokerGeek wrote:
>
>
>
> On May 31 2005 2:45 PM, Quick wrote:
>
> > ignstign wrote:
> > > On May 31 2005 8:23 AM, mo_charles wrote:
> > >>
> > >> yep, that national id's gonna be a huge burden to you
> > >> and your rights - shit, it'll be just like a driver's
> > >> license! we all know how troubling those are.......
> > >
> > > It's NOTHING like a driver's license. It's a national id
> > > card.....you know, like the Nazis forced everyone to
> > > carry before they started weeding out the Jews.
> > >
> > > It's a way to track the habits, spending and movements of
> > > law-abiding citizens.
> >
> > So how about if it was optional (like a driver's license)?
> > If you want to use the fast track lane at the airport and
> > other expedited things you get a National ID card. If you
> > object to having one you you get in line for the full verification
> > processing, etc.
>
>
> So you don't "have" to have one, but not having one makes your life a real
> pain
> in the ass? Like a car, driver's license, credit card...
The bill actually does not mandate that states follow suit with the national ID.
But, if they don't, no federal agency will accept their state citizens' into any
federal program requiring identification.
It's like an armed robber saying "Nah.....you don't have to give me all of your
money.......but the gun may go off if you don't."
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> > >> and your rights - shit, it'll be just like a driver's
> > >> license! we all know how troubling those are.......
> > >
> > > It's NOTHING like a driver's license. It's a national id
> > > card.....you know, like the Nazis forced everyone to
> > > carry before they started weeding out the Jews.
> > >
> > > It's a way to track the habits, spending and movements of
> > > law-abiding citizens.
> >
> > So how about if it was optional (like a driver's license)?
> > If you want to use the fast track lane at the airport and
> > other expedited things you get a National ID card. If you
> > object to having one you you get in line for the full verification
> > processing, etc.
>
> So you don't "have" to have one, but not having one makes your life a real
pain
> in the ass? Like a car, driver's license, credit card...
you simply make the point for us - are these things considered invasions
of privacy? why do the paranoid get to decide that an ID card is actually
a BEHAVIORAL TRACKING card? we're actually letting the crackpots run the
goddamn nation - it's insane.
ID cards IDENTIFY - that's it. the only reasonable gripe is that the info
stored can't be protected - ID theft is a dangerous problem.
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hard and fast age limit for alcohol purchase/consumption. Any state
that didn't increase the age limit to 21 would lose its federal subsidy
for interstate highway maintenance.
Money talks, and hundreds of millions of dollars can be pretty loud and
convincing.
mo_charles
your
> money.......but the gun may go off if you don't."
that sounds more like the personification of our taxcode than a proposed
program for ID cards.
mo_charles
ignstign
States should strike back by refusing to pay into the system if they cannot use
the system.
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> Being careful of who you give your information to is very important,
> but you can't be so paranoid that you won't give out basic information
> to someone like that. They have policies in place for a reason, and
> most any larger company has policies in place to keep that information
> confidential. Just remember every time you apply for credit you are
> giving someone and opportunity to steal your identity! The best
> defense is using some sort of tool like Equifax. I work in a business
> where we ask for personal information, and it annoys the hell out of me
> when people get mad because we ask for it. If you don't want to give
> it fine, go somewhere else, we ask for it for a reason.
And what reason would that be? Most of the time they ask for it just
because they can, or some bean-counter decided it would be nice to have
it in the database.
Going elsewhere is a viable option for many things, but not for WSOP
tournaments.
It is difficult to avoid. I routinely refuse to give my SSN if asked
for. But then there was the time I wrote "I don't divulge my SSN" on
the form at the doctor's office, only to see it in my health insurance
account number!
Perhaps the best solution for situations like the WSOP is to simply
make up numbers to give them. Are they really going to check? I'll do
that on websites that make you register to access them, I just make up
a phony address, DOB, whatever else they ask for that I don't wish to
divulge.
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jlong (ayat) rnbw (dawt) com
Quick
That's a side issue. And I think there could be a valid
argument (not that I'd agree) if the NID was mandatory.
Other than that... Let's see, I should be able to charge
stuff without a credit card and without providing any
personal information. If other people are allowed to
charge stuff with a card that they gave up personal
information that was verified to get then I'm being
"strong armed" into going along with the system because
it's a hassle to carry and pay with cash. Not to mention
being excluded altogether from machines requiring a
card...
-Quick
John Harkness
wrote:
>
>
>On May 31 2005 12:59 PM, diablo_tejano wrote:
>
>> "One reason to ask for a DOB is to distinguish between multiple people with
>>
>> the same name."
>>
>> And I suppose they all live at the same address????
>
>Just make up stuff.....I do. It's easier than arguing with them.
>
>Especially when the assholes that just took your money for a crappy product
>require all of your info to return it - I get all crazy creative.
>
>Sometimes I'm Ike Turner.....sometimes Linus Torvalds......just whatever.
>
Just hope you never run into a serious film buff on the second.
John Harkness
mo_charles
this is virtually the only argument against such a plan.
> Other than that... Let's see, I should be able to charge
> stuff without a credit card and without providing any
> personal information. If other people are allowed to
> charge stuff with a card that they gave up personal
> information that was verified to get then I'm being
> "strong armed" into going along with the system because
> it's a hassle to carry and pay with cash. Not to mention
> being excluded altogether from machines requiring a
> card...
yes, you have been forced to use a credit card - hire a lawyer immediately.
mo_charles
PokerGeek
On May 31 2005 3:13 PM, mo_charles wrote:
> we're actually letting the crackpots run the
> goddamn nation - it's insane.
If NID cards are gonna solve this problem then I'll be the first one in line for
one.
georgewv...@yahoo.com
The difference is that the gambling/poker world has a lot more criminal
scum element than average society.
georgewv...@yahoo.com
>company has policies in place to keep that information confidential.
Which didn't stop hundreds of thousands of people's personal
information from being sold by unscrupulous low level employees of
banks and credit agencies. Stupid fucking moron
Randy Hudson
ignstign <4308...@recpoker.com> wrote:
> It's NOTHING like a driver's license. It's a national id card.....you know,
> like the Nazis forced everyone to carry before they started weeding out the
> Jews.
It's also an associated data base, with no privacy protection.
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Randy Hudson