School Vouchers, A Gift To The Rich

[Bea Foroni]

Right now, the rich send their children to private school. The cost of a private K-12 school is $20-$50K per year. They get no vouchers.

If every child is given a school voucher, it will make private school cheaper. Rich children may even go to a richer school, but those who send their children to public school will not have any additional money- they actually may get less funding as some of the money pool is now going to the riches. One thing for sure, they'll still not be able to afford $20K-$50K schools.

Who better to decide what is a good school for a child? Parents with maybe a high school diploma? A minister or mullah? A corporation?

If there is a problem with public schools, maybe it has to do with how they are funded. The USA is the only country where school funding is local. Wealthy neighborhoods get more money from property tax, and poor neighborhoods get less. No matter the need.

Countries that have superior school performance, make private schools rare or illegal. Countries With poor school performance are full of private and religious schools.

[VegasJerry]

And this way they can sneak money to religious schools. Indoctrination our kids to the right-wing agenda. “Prayers to our president every day.” “No abortions.” “No birth control pills.” “Despise gays and lesbians and Jews.” Eventually doing away with Article VI of our Constitution.

[Tim Norfolk]

And, many of those very expensive private schools actually get worse results than the public schools. After all, if an important person is paying $20-50K per year, then an F is out of the question.

[popinjay]

On Friday, March 3, 2017 at 3:45:20 PM UTC-8, VegasJerry wrote:



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> And this way they can sneak money to religious schools. Indoctrination our kids to the right-wing agenda. “Prayers to our president every day.” “No abortions.” “No birth control pills.” “Despise gays and lesbians and Jews.” Eventually doing away with Article VI of our Constitution.

Explain yourself, numbnuts. How does this "do away with Article VI of our Constitution"?

[Bill Vanek]

He's not making sense. He might be dehydrated.

[VegasJerry]

The Treaty of Tripoli, which was unanimously passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, states: "...the government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The First Amendment says, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion…” and in Article VI, “… no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Christians ignore that many of the framers of the Constitution were Deists or outright non-believers. John Adams stated, “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” Thomas Jefferson said, “Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies,” and denounced the “superstitions of Christianity.” The father of our Constitution, James Madison said, “… religion & Government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together." [and “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries.”]

These people understood the dangers of religion in government. The words God, Christian, and Christianity do not even appear in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Instead of relying on faith, these people used reason and science as their guide.

Mr. Gwyn states, “We should tolerate other religions.” Yet if you are atheist, gay or of a different religion in America, these hypocrites will do the only thing left available to them: ruining your reputations, your careers, and silencing you as effectively as if they could still burn you. Until they understand, ‘We the People,’ it is they that are wrong.

[Bea Foroni]

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 6:53:26 PM UTC-8, Tim Norfolk wrote:

> And, many of those very expensive private schools actually get worse results than the public schools. After all, if an important person is paying $20-50K per year, then an F is out of the question.

Really, it's not about academics. Even if poor children are given the opportunity to use modern textbooks, given tablets to take home, are exposed to art, learn to swim, and made to feel important, there would still be something lacking.

The USA is become mired in social-economic immobility. A child is born to his parents' class and he is less likely to move up or down in the US compared to most countries of the world. We are creating a class system.

Rich children in private schools have little interaction with the rest of society's children. They grow up afraid of the poor, and see others only as an opportunity to stay wealthy.

The poor have no interaction with the wealthy. They grow up unable to communicate with the rich and resent their wealth.

Our public schools were originally set up to assimilate children in society, and instead today they are polarizing society.

The best school should be the closest school. Education should not be funded on the wealth of the parents, instead it should be designed to help all children according to need.

[Bea Foroni]

On Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 9:38:48 PM UTC-8, popinjay wrote:
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> Explain yourself, numbnuts. How does this "do away with Article VI of our Constitution"?

Ask him if he beats his wife. Do it! I dare you.

[Tim Norfolk]

Here's the conundrum. The children of the wealthy all go to college, mostly to make social contacts. They study liberal arts, political science, business, law, and possibly medicine, although the last is becoming less attractive than it once was.

The children of the poor, if they go to college, and if they manage to succeed, get lower-level business and communication degrees, since their schools rarely prepare them for the technical subjects.

It is the middle class which has given us most of the scientists and engineers since the 1940's. These are the people who are doing the innovation, and keeping things running. They are being priced out of education, which is a major problem for infrastructure. When that fails, a lot of people who consider themselves wealthy will find out that their money is worthless.