OT: The Most Expensive Piece of Ass in History?
lawh...@hiwaay.net
(i.e. “Too Big To Fail”), gets more interesting with each turn of the
page. I have often wondered what the most expensive act of
prostitution in the history of man (and woman) kind cost? Put another
way, what is the most money a man has ever paid (and a woman has ever
received) for providing sexual services?
The answer may be found in Sorkin’s book, although it’s difficult to
determine the exact dollar amount of the transaction.
It seems that a certain female executive at one of the firms that got
into trouble managed to get promoted to CFO (Chief Financial Officer)
of the firm. How this woman attained this lofty position is a bit of
a mystery since many of the employees of the firm felt that she was
unqualified and in over her head. Of course it all starts to make
sense when Sorkin reveals that this woman had been hand-picked by the
President of the firm and was widely rumored to be “romantically
involved” with this executive who selected her for the CFO job. (This
woman was married, but separated, from another former employee [a Vice
President] of the firm, but that little triviality apparently didn’t
stop her from [allegedly] sleeping her way to the top.)
The bailout of Wall Street and all these financial firms that nearly
went bankrupt is costing us taxpayers in excess of a trillion
dollars. I don’t know how much of our money this gal got for
spreading her legs, but she might just qualify as the most expensive
piece of ass in history. (Since we taxpayers paid for her services, I
suppose that makes us all unwitting “Johns”?)
Alan C. Lawhon
Huntsville, Alabama
Irish Mike
> Andrew Ross Sorkin�ｿｽs account of the great financial crisis of 2008,
> (i.e. �ｿｽToo Big To Fail�ｿｽ), gets more interesting with each turn of the
> page. I have often wondered what the most expensive act of
> prostitution in the history of man (and woman) kind cost? Put another
> way, what is the most money a man has ever paid (and a woman has ever
> received) for providing sexual services?
>
> The answer may be found in Sorkin�ｿｽs book, although it�ｿｽs difficult to
> determine the exact dollar amount of the transaction.
>
> It seems that a certain female executive at one of the firms that got
> into trouble managed to get promoted to CFO (Chief Financial Officer)
> of the firm. How this woman attained this lofty position is a bit of
> a mystery since many of the employees of the firm felt that she was
> unqualified and in over her head.
Well if being unqualified for a job and in over your head were a crime,
Obama would be looking at life with out parole.
Irish Mike
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FL Turbo
<ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Nov 15 2009 4:33 AM, lawh...@HiWAAY.net wrote:
>
>> Andrew Ross Sorkin�s account of the great financial crisis of 2008,
>> (i.e. �Too Big To Fail�), gets more interesting with each turn of the
>> page. I have often wondered what the most expensive act of
>> prostitution in the history of man (and woman) kind cost? Put another
>> way, what is the most money a man has ever paid (and a woman has ever
>> received) for providing sexual services?
>>
>> The answer may be found in Sorkin�s book, although it�s difficult to
>> determine the exact dollar amount of the transaction.
>>
>> It seems that a certain female executive at one of the firms that got
>> into trouble managed to get promoted to CFO (Chief Financial Officer)
>> of the firm. How this woman attained this lofty position is a bit of
>> a mystery since many of the employees of the firm felt that she was
>> unqualified and in over her head.
>
>Well if being unqualified for a job and in over your head were a crime,
>Obama would be looking at life with out parole.
>
Heehe
Monroe
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121098034130400069.html
Monroe
On Nov 15 2009 3:33 AM, lawh...@HiWAAY.net wrote:
> It seems that a certain female executive at one of the firms that got
> into trouble managed to get promoted to CFO (Chief Financial Officer)
> of the firm. How this woman attained this lofty position is a bit of
> a mystery since many of the employees of the firm felt that she was
> unqualified and in over her head. Of course it all starts to make
> sense when Sorkin reveals that this woman had been hand-picked by the
> President of the firm and was widely rumored to be �romantically
> involved� with this executive who selected her for the CFO job. (This
> woman was married, but separated, from another former employee [a Vice
> President] of the firm, but that little triviality apparently didn�t
> stop her from [allegedly] sleeping her way to the top.)
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Jerry Sturdivant
"Irish Mike"
> Well if being unqualified for a job and in over your
> head were a crime, Obama would be looking at
> life with out parole.
Really? How is he not qualified?
(This is where Cut & Paste & Run Mike disappears).
Jerry 'n Vegas
- "Do not machine wash or tumble dry"
means I will never wash this -- ever.
Will in New Haven
This has been said about many successful women and it is undoubtedly
true about _some_ of them. Whether it is true in this case or it is
just more envious noise, how can we tell? To say that Sorkin
"revealed" something is to say that it is true. In Sorkin's case, I
think it is better to say he "said" it.
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phlash74
lawh...@HiWAAY.net wrote:
> Andrew Ross Sorkin’s account of the great financial crisis of 2008,
> (i.e. “Too Big To Fail”), gets more interesting with each turn of the
> page. I have often wondered what the most expensive act of
> prostitution in the history of man (and woman) kind cost? Put another
> way, what is the most money a man has ever paid (and a woman has ever
> received) for providing sexual services?
She didn't provide the services; rather, Kobe Bryant took them, but
that hotel clerk in Eagle, CO is probably the most expensive PoA ever.
By most accounts, he settled her civil lawsuit for a couple million
and he had to spend probably 10-15 million more on legal fees and
making it right with his wife including a $4 million ring.
Michael
Will in New Haven
In somewhat similar situations, if he really just "took" her services,
a woman or one or more of her family members or even the law has
charged a man his life for his behavior. I think those would be more
expensive.
phlash74
I doubt it, since Alan thinks that losing a poker pot means you made a
mistake, even if you got all your chips in the middle as a heavy
favorite.
Michael
phlash74
Quite so. I was merely answering Alan's second question in purely
monetary terms. As Gary pointed out, Alan seems to have a fuzzy idea
of what the word prostitution actually means. That's why I didn't
address the rest of his ridiculous post. Trying to blame one woman who
was allegedly over-promoted for the entire financial crisis is beyond
all logical comprehension.
Michael
Irish Mike
> "Irish Mike"
>
>
> > Well if being unqualified for a job and in over your
> > head were a crime, Obama would be looking at
> > life with out parole.
>
> Really? How is he not qualified?
No military experience
No executive management experience
No business experience
No foreign policy experience
No fiscal accountability experience
No clue how to deal with unemployment
Far left wing policies that the American people do not want
Thin skinned and vindictive
Weak leadership skills
Viewed as weak by our enemies and not trusted by our allies
Petty racist response to situations involving the police and blacks
No concept of th3e danger posed by radical muslim extremists
Totally divided and polarized the country
Irish Mike
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against Fox News.
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<ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Nov 15 2009 12:20 PM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>
>> "Irish Mike"
>>
>>
>> > Well if being unqualified for a job and in over your
>> > head were a crime, Obama would be looking at
>> > life with out parole.
>>
>> Really? How is he not qualified?
>
>No military experience
>No executive management experience
>No business experience
>No foreign policy experience
>No fiscal accountability experience
>No clue how to deal with unemployment
>Far left wing policies that the American people do not want
>Thin skinned and vindictive
>Weak leadership skills
>Viewed as weak by our enemies and not trusted by our allies
>Petty racist response to situations involving the police and blacks
>No concept of th3e danger posed by radical muslim extremists
>Totally divided and polarized the country
>
Is that all?
Obviously Fox News talking points.
I think I already know his answer.
ButBush!!! ButBush!!
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garycarson
Investment banking is the most chauvinistic/frat boy infused industry I've
ever seen. Any woman that succeeded in that environment would be gossiped
about incessantly
When I worked in the Bond Department at BofA we had an equities desk with
two women clerks who would execute equity trades for some customers (we
didn't actually take any market positions or maintain any inventory or
engage in any risk activity of any kind in equities). The rest of the
floor was bonds and money markets, divided into trading and sales.
Everyone was male, even the clerks, except for a couple of secretaries who
worked for the SVP's on the floor.
Very male dominated industry. There are probably more women loggers than
women bond traders.
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Peg Smith
<garyc...@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
>Do you know what prostitution actually means?
Dealing for tips?
Peg
Jerry Sturdivant
"Irish Mike"
>>> Well if being unqualified for a job and in over your
>>> head were a crime, Obama would be looking at
>>> life with out parole.
>> Really? How is he not qualified?
> No military experience
None needed.
(I knew you didn't have me in your kill file; you just couldn't answer
before).
> No executive management experience
Some; but again, not needed.
> No business experience
> No foreign policy experience
> No fiscal accountability experience
> No clue how to deal with unemployment
Wrong, wrong and wrong. And again, like your buddy Bush, didn't have it and
didn't need it; save for the fact Bush DID have Business experience. Every
business he ever ran; failed. He continued that by trying to run our country
like a business. The only reason our country didn't eventually fail
(depression) was BECAUSE Obama saved it. How's that for business experience?
> Far left wing policies that the American people do not want
Actually they did want it; got it; and it saved the country. Bush tried
starting it before he left office; remember? Send everybody a check and that
will take care of it?
The rest of your list shows why you never answered questions before. Perhaps
you better go back to, Cut & Paste & Run.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink...
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> > No executive management experience
>
> Some; but again, not needed.
> <snip>
> Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> - You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink...
So tell us, oh wise one. What the fuck is needed to be president if
executive management experience isn't needed?
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lawh...@hiwaay.net
No Michael, I don't think losing a poker pot means you made a
mistake. I just got busted out of an online tournament (two from the
money) where I had 17 outs to the nuts. I'll go all-in with 17 outs
to the nuts any time, so your little jab doesn't wash.
As for "brutish Alan" picking on that poor maligned Wall Street girl,
I can't believe you folks. To get the full context of what was going
on inside that firm, try reading Sorkin's book. That woman couldn't
answer simple and direct questions put to her by David Einhorn - I'm
sure some of you Wall Street types on here know who Einhorn is - so
she goes off and blabs to some reporter at the Wall Street Journal
knowing full well that nobody inside the firm can touch her. Why?
Because she's (probably) banging the President of the firm - a guy
who's a "diversity advocate" and likes to mentor women and minorities
and promote them to positions of responsibility - when he's not busy
screwing them.
Well, that's fine - just as long as we taxpayers don't get stuck
having to pay literally hundreds of billions of dollars for those kind
of "personnel mistakes" - mistakes which Mr. Sorkin lays out in
exquisite detail in his book. If I were a CEO or a President of a
major financial services company (or any company for that matter), and
made mistakes on that magnitude and scale - mistakes which force
taxpayers (that would be all of us smucks) to have to bail my company
and my industry out - I seriously doubt if any of you would be
defending me. More likely you would all be demanding that I be
prosecuted and thrown in jail.
After the firm where this woman worked went under, the dispirited
traders on the trading floor (knowing they were probably about to lose
their jobs) put up large photographs of the President who had hired
and promoted this woman and the CEO of the firm - affectionally known
as "the Gorilla" - on the wall. Underneath the photograph of the
former was the word "Dumb". Underneath the photograph of the latter
was the word "Dumber". I'm not making this stuff up: Read the book.
phlash74
lawh...@HiWAAY.net wrote:
> No Michael, I don't think losing a poker pot means you made a
> mistake. I just got busted out of an online tournament (two from the
> money) where I had 17 outs to the nuts. I'll go all-in with 17 outs
> to the nuts any time,
So would I.
so your little jab doesn't wash.
Then you've improved your thinking. But there are plenty of examples
in the archives of you saying exactly that. One comment I remember
directly was you saying your son made a mistake when he busted out of
a tournament, even though he was favored when the chips went in. Ask
Morphy, he's called you on this result-oriented thinking before as
well.
>
> As for "brutish Alan" picking on that poor maligned Wall Street girl,
> I can't believe you folks.
I never said you were picking on her. I said you were oversimplifying.
To get the full context of what was going
> on inside that firm, try reading Sorkin's book. That woman couldn't
> answer simple and direct questions put to her by David Einhorn - I'm
> sure some of you Wall Street types on here know who Einhorn is - so
> she goes off and blabs to some reporter at the Wall Street Journal
> knowing full well that nobody inside the firm can touch her. Why?
> Because she's (probably) banging the President of the firm - a guy
> who's a "diversity advocate" and likes to mentor women and minorities
> and promote them to positions of responsibility - when he's not busy
> screwing them.
>
> Well, that's fine - just as long as we taxpayers don't get stuck
> having to pay literally hundreds of billions of dollars for those kind
> of "personnel mistakes" - mistakes which Mr. Sorkin lays out in
> exquisite detail in his book. If I were a CEO or a President of a
> major financial services company (or any company for that matter), and
> made mistakes on that magnitude and scale - mistakes which force
> taxpayers (that would be all of us smucks) to have to bail my company
> and my industry out - I seriously doubt if any of you would be
> defending me. More likely you would all be demanding that I be
> prosecuted and thrown in jail.
I'm not defending his conduct at all. But you have to look at the
board that allowed him to appoint his girlfriend CFO. Plus, this is
one firm. At best, the story is emblematic of the reckless attitude
that got us into this mess, not a root cause.
Michael
ChrisRobin
> So tell us, oh wise one. What the fuck is needed to be president if
> executive management experience isn't needed?
More votes than your opponent. Any other stupid questions?
K9way
> On Nov 15 2009 12:20 PM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>
> > "Irish Mike"
> >
> >
> > > Well if being unqualified for a job and in over your
> > > head were a crime, Obama would be looking at
> > > life with out parole.
> >
> > Really? How is he not qualified?
>
> No military experience
> No executive management experience
> No business experience
> No foreign policy experience
> No fiscal accountability experience
> No clue how to deal with unemployment
> Far left wing policies that the American people do not want
> Thin skinned and vindictive
> Weak leadership skills
> Viewed as weak by our enemies and not trusted by our allies
> Petty racist response to situations involving the police and blacks
> No concept of th3e danger posed by radical muslim extremists
> Totally divided and polarized the country
>
>OK ..OK... ENOUGH ABOUT GW BUSH .. HE ASKED YOU ABOUT OBAMA
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Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
> So tell us, oh wise one. What the fuck is needed to be
> president if executive management experience isn't needed?
A willing congress; picking good people; articulate positions and being a
lawyer (understanding law) is very helpful. And; judging from the banks
paying back; GM paying back; housing sales up; stock market up; job loss
slowing; it looks like it's working. In fact; the recovery is just about
where they said it would be. Looks good, huh?
Jerry (not working) 'n Vegas
- At Hydrogen 2 and Oxygen one, game called because of rain.
Jerry Sturdivant
"ChrisRobin"
>> So tell us, oh wise one. What the fuck is needed to
>> be president if executive management experience
>> isn't needed?
> More votes than your opponent.
By golly; that's right. Gore got more votes than Bush and Bush screwed the
country into the ground. But then, his experience as a business manager was
that: Every business he ever owned or ran, lost money.
Jerry (retired) 'n Vegas
- I can't remember the last time I wasn't at least kind of tired.
mo_charles
erin callan's an idiot, but she didn't take lehman brothers down (not even
close). if we paid for anything, it was a piece of dick fuld ass ... i'm
left begging for some of erin!
mo_charles
Follow
> On Nov 15 2009 4:30 PM, Follow wrote:
>
> > So tell us, oh wise one. What the fuck is needed to be president if
> > executive management experience isn't needed?
>
> More votes than your opponent. Any other stupid questions?
Oh wow! That was hilarious! Great job! Sean Penn 2016!
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And the obfuscation of his cripplingly stupid followers... Seems to be
working, looks good!
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Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
>> By golly; that's right. Gore got more votes than Bush and
>> Bush screwed the country into the ground. But then, his
>> experience as a business manager was that: Every
>> business he ever owned or ran, lost money.
> But BUSH....!
Exactly. So did you complain because Bush didn't have good business
experience? Or you just trying to bitch Obama?
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Why not invite her over for a Scotch and sofa?
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
>> A willing congress; picking good people; articulate positions
>> and being a lawyer (understanding law) is very helpful. And;
>> judging from the banks paying back; GM paying back; housing
>> sales up; stock market up; job loss slowing; it looks like it's
>> working. In fact; the recovery is just about where they said it
>> would be. Looks good, huh?
> And the obfuscation of his cripplingly stupid followers...
> Seems to be working, looks good!
The only 'stupid' I see are those that cannot admit that what I just stated
is correct.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Cats know how we feel. They don't give a damn, but they know.
Follow
> Exactly. So did you complain because Bush didn't have good business
> experience? Or you just trying to bitch Obama?
>
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> - Why not invite her over for a Scotch and sofa?
Yes, I did complain about Bush, quite loudly. I don't have to "bitch"
Obama, he does a pretty good job making sure he's a bitch on his own. But
you're a single minded idiot who thinks either left or wrong. Damn Jerry,
how do you remember to breathe?
Follow :)
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If you recall, Jerry, I didn't even complain about the job Obama is doing.
I'm really not interested in discussing politics with a person who can't
even define "Libertarian" or what the hell "Liberal" means either. I just
pointed out that your comment about him not needing "executive management
experience" to be the POTUS is painfully retarded, nothing more. You're
the one that went off track thinking I wanted to have some kind of
meaningful discussion with you.
Let me be clear, I don't.
Follow :)
Will in New Haven
snipped
In this entire discussion, with all the political sniping and the good
examples of expensive sex, have we forgotten the most common way of
paying too much for sex, often for both parties.
Ladies and gennelmun, I give you MARRIAGE, or mawige if you will.
--
Will in New Haven
FL Turbo
Jerry ButBush'n Vegas
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
>> The only 'stupid' I see are those that cannot admit
>> that what I just stated is correct.
> If you recall, Jerry, I didn't even complain about the job
> Obama is doing. I'm really not interested in discussing
> politics with a person who can't even define "Libertarian"
> or what the hell "Liberal" means either.
You can pick any reason you wish for running from a discussion. You -
thinking I don't know what a liberal is - seems as good as any.
> I just pointed out that your comment about him not
> needing "executive management experience" to be
> the POTUS is painfully retarded, nothing more.
And me pointing out how it's proven right bothers you.
> You're the one that went off track thinking I wanted to
> have some kind of meaningful discussion with you.
You believe I was seeking a meaningful discussion with you?
> Let me be clear, I don't.
Apparently you can't because you're under the impression I don't know what a
liberal is.
Jerry (a liberal) 'n Vegas
- I fed some lemon to my cat...now I've got a sour puss.
Jerry Sturdivant
"FL Turbo"
>>> Far left wing policies that the American people do not want
>> Actually they did want it; got it; and it saved the country. Bush
>> tried starting it before he left office; remember? Send everybody
>> a check and that will take care of it?
> Jerry ButBush'n Vegas
Being Bush was a central part of the discussion, yes. But if that worthless
one liner was the only response you could come up with; you needn't have
bothered.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Fundamentalism means never having to open your mind....
mo_charles
jerry butbrain'n vegas
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phlash74
Mawige. Mawige is what bwings us togefer, today. Mawige, that bwessed
awangement, that dweam wifin a dweam. Mawige.
Michael
U.S. American
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garycarson
> On Nov 15 2009 12:20 PM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>
> > "Irish Mike"
> >
> >
> > > Well if being unqualified for a job and in over your
> > > head were a crime, Obama would be looking at
> > > life with out parole.
> >
> > Really? How is he not qualified?
>
> No military experience
> No executive management experience
> No business experience
> No foreign policy experience
> No fiscal accountability experience
> No clue how to deal with unemployment
> Far left wing policies that the American people do not want
> Thin skinned and vindictive
> Weak leadership skills
> Viewed as weak by our enemies and not trusted by our allies
> Petty racist response to situations involving the police and blacks
> No concept of th3e danger posed by radical muslim extremists
> Totally divided and polarized the country
>
Qualifications such as the above are something to be discussed before an
election. Once you reach election time the only qualification that
matters is the ability to get enough votes distributed correctly among the
Electoral College. Obama is qualified. Ron Paul is not, McCain is not.
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Follow
Actually, I'm "running" from a discussion with you because you've proven
time and time again that you're an unthinking idiot, whether or not you
know what "liberal" means is just an illustration of that. The fact that
you can't clarify the reasoning behind an idiotic statement like "the
president doesn't really need executive management experience" while he's
the biggest executive manager in the country further proves that you're an
unthinking idiot. You misdirect with other bullshit knowing that your
original stupid assed statement will be obfuscated in a mudball of opinion
arguing. It doesn't work with me Jerry.
You made a dumb comment. Own up.
Follow :)
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da pickle
> Qualifications such as the above are something to be discussed before an
> election. Once you reach election time the only qualification that
> matters is the ability to get enough votes distributed correctly among the
> Electoral College. Obama is qualified. Ron Paul is not, McCain is not.
When you are correct you are correct.
FL Turbo
wrote:
>On Nov 16 2009 1:32 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
>> On Nov 15, 3:33�am, "lawho...@HiWAAY.net" <lawho...@HiWAAY.net> wrote:
>>
>> snipped
>>
>> In this entire discussion, with all the political sniping and the good
>> examples of expensive sex, have we forgotten the most common way of
>> paying too much for sex, often for both parties.
>>
>> Ladies and gennelmun, I give you MARRIAGE, or mawige if you will.
>>
>> --
>> Will in New Haven
>
>Mawige. Mawige is what bwings us togefer, today. Mawige, that bwessed
>awangement, that dweam wifin a dweam. Mawige.
>
Barney Fwank speaking at a gay mawige cewemony?
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
>>> You're the one that went off track thinking I wanted to
>>> have some kind of meaningful discussion with you.
>> You believe I was seeking a meaningful discussion with you?
>>> Let me be clear, I don't.
>> Apparently you can't [have a meaningful discussion with me]
>> because you're under the impression I don't know what a liberal is.
> Actually, I'm "running" from a discussion with you because .
Like I said; you can use any excuse you like for running from a discussion
with me. It really doesn't matter - you're running..
Jerry (not running) 'n Vegas
- To err is human. To blame others is Politics.
Follow
> "Follow"
>
>
>
> >>> You're the one that went off track thinking I wanted to
> >>> have some kind of meaningful discussion with you.
>
> >> You believe I was seeking a meaningful discussion with you?
>
> >>> Let me be clear, I don't.
>
> >> Apparently you can't [have a meaningful discussion with me]
> >> because you're under the impression I don't know what a liberal is.
>
> > Actually, I'm "running" from a discussion with you because .
>
> I am stupid and not qualified to have a discussion about politics. Obama is
a failure.
>
>
> Jerry (not running) 'n Vegas
>
> - To err is human. To blame others is Politics.
Hey, since we are selectively copying and pasting shit out of context, I
figured I would do the same. For once, Jerry tells the truth! Go Jerry!
Follow (can cut & paste out of context with the best of 'em, you asswipe)
'n your Face :)
- You can lead a senile, blind old fuck into a wall. Then you can laugh
him.
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garycarson
The President does need a few executive management skills. One way for
voters to estimate the degree to which a candidate has those skills is to
look at experience. But it's better to define the specific skills needed
and look at life experiences to see if the candidate has demonstrated
those skills than it is to just blindly assume anyone with executive
management experience has the skills and anyone without executive
managment experience does not have them.
>
> You made a dumb comment. Own up.
No, he didn't. You're making a specious argument. Watch Fox much?
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da pickle
> The President does need a few executive management skills. One way for
> voters to estimate the degree to which a candidate has those skills is to
> look at experience. But it's better to define the specific skills needed
> and look at life experiences to see if the candidate has demonstrated
> those skills than it is to just blindly assume anyone with executive
> management experience has the skills and anyone without executive
> managment experience does not have them.
Actually, any "executive" needs executive management skills. Life
experiences can assist in the development of executive management skills but
one might have to define what sort of "life experiences" one was talking
about that might be helpful ... and exactly what one meant by "executive
management skills" might be helpful too.
If a candidate is being considered for promotion to his very first
"executive" management position, then those considering that person might
look at demonstrated "regular" management skills and might also consider
life experiences as well. If the candidate is up for his very first
management position, those considering the candidate might not have much
real management experience at all to consider, so they might fall back on
just "doing his old jobs" types of skills. (The old Peter Principal" is in
effect all the way up the administrative ladder.)
It might not be a great idea to seriously consider a candidate for an
"executive" management position that has had no management experience at all
... considering "life experiences" for executive management positions would
not seem to be the "best" way to pick and choose among candidates.
It may be true that those with no executive management experience might be
great executive managers, but it would seem to be "better" to choose
executive managers from candidates that have demonstrated extensive
less-that-executive management skills for quite some time.
Of course, the discussion is about the president of the United States, not a
real business. A business must be concerned with actual "performance" from
the executives put into power. The president is elected based on charisma
and the ability to sell snake oil ... management skills (executive or
otherwise) are not factors.
Jerry Sturdivant
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>>>>>> You're the one that went off track thinking I wanted to
>>>>>> have some kind of meaningful discussion with you.
>>>>>> You believe I was seeking a meaningful discussion with you?
>>>>> Let me be clear, I don't.
>>>> Apparently you can't [have a meaningful discussion with me]
>>>> because you're under the impression I don't know what a liberal is.
>>> Actually, I'm "running" from a discussion with you because .
[Fake quote]
>> I am stupid and not qualified to have a discussion about politics.
>> Obama is a failure.
> Hey, since we are selectively copying and pasting shit
> out of context, I figured I would do the same. For once,
> Jerry tells the truth! Go Jerry!
Run faster, coward, I can still hear you. And I notice your inability to
converse includes having the desire, nonetheless. It also includes the
immorality of deception: faking statements I didn't make. It really makes
you a bigger loser.
Jerry (lol @ u) 'n Vegas
- File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle"
>> But it's better to define the specific skills needed and look at life
>> experiences to see if the candidate has demonstrated those skills
>> than it is to just blindly assume anyone with executive management
>> experience has the skills and anyone without executive management
>> experience does not have them.
> Actually, any "executive" needs executive management skills.
Again, not necessarily. It�s like the, �I have a high IQ,� statement. You
can have it, but not be able to use it correctly. For those enamored with
Bush; you might note he was �executive� (ran) a number of companies. Every
single one failed. So how did he run the country?
The man that started Lotus 1-2-3 (It was either Mitchell Kapor or Jonathan
Sachs, don�t remember) was the �executive.� He hired a good programmer. The
programmer was a better programmer than he was. As �executive� he was
worried this expert might leave, so he kept giving him raises. He finally
gave him half the company, in order to keep him from leaving. It turned out
he was not only a good programmer, he was a better �executive.� So he
stepped down and made him president of the company. He was the original
owner and �executive,� but he gave away half his company and made another
the president. He made more money that way.
Was he a good executive? Did he make good executive decisions?
I will maintain a president of the united states does not have to be a good
executive, as much make good decisions and hire good, �executive� people.
Past presidents have proven my point.
> The president is elected based on charisma and the
> ability to sell snake oil ... management skills (executive
> or otherwise) are not factors.
Exactly.
Jerry �n Vegas
- We agree? Where have I failed?
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> > Actually, I'm "running" from a discussion with you because you've proven
> > time and time again that you're an unthinking idiot, whether or not you
> > know what "liberal" means is just an illustration of that. The fact that
> > you can't clarify the reasoning behind an idiotic statement like "the
> > president doesn't really need executive management experience" while he's
> > the biggest executive manager in the country further proves that you're an
> > unthinking idiot. You misdirect with other bullshit knowing that your
> > original stupid assed statement will be obfuscated in a mudball of opinion
> > arguing. It doesn't work with me Jerry.
>
> The President does need a few executive management skills. One way for
> voters to estimate the degree to which a candidate has those skills is to
> look at experience. But it's better to define the specific skills needed
> and look at life experiences to see if the candidate has demonstrated
> those skills than it is to just blindly assume anyone with executive
> management experience has the skills and anyone without executive
> managment experience does not have them.
>
>
> >
> > You made a dumb comment. Own up.
>
> No, he didn't. You're making a specious argument. Watch Fox much?
How can you make a statement that the President should have executive
management skills (some) in one paragraph, then in the next breath call an
argument that said "saying the Preseident needs no executive management
skills is retarded," specious? You agree that the President at least some
of those skills, so you disagree that he needs none. Yet pointing out
that saying he needs none is incorrect or "specious." What gives?
Besides, I didn't even make the argument, I just agreed with it. I just
happen to have a pair of very vocal mentally challenged fans (Beldin and
Jerry).
In any case, putting someone into office (like Obama) who has no executive
management skill is taking a chance. It's like bankrolling a player in a
tournament who has never played before. Sometimes they turn out to be a
poker prodigy, but more often, they turn out to be donks who lose your
money. That's not the kind of chance I like to take with a President.
Before Jerry pushes his helmeted head into this conversation to say "BUT
BUSH...," that was another example of a douche that shouldn't have been
elected. Yes, he had experience, and a really horrible track record.
That should have told us that he had no business taking the President job,
no better than Obama's lack of a record really, who also has no business
being President.
It's amazing to me, Gary, that you're the only "liberal" type who seems to
manage to stay on topic any more.
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>
> "da pickle"
>
>
>
>>> But it's better to define the specific skills needed and look at life
>>> experiences to see if the candidate has demonstrated those skills
>>> than it is to just blindly assume anyone with executive management
>>> experience has the skills and anyone without executive management
>>> experience does not have them.
>
>> Actually, any "executive" needs executive management skills.
>
> Again, not necessarily. It's like the, "I have a high IQ," statement. You
> can have it, but not be able to use it correctly. For those enamored with
> Bush; you might note he was "executive" (ran) a number of companies. Every
> single one failed. So how did he run the country?
I do not agree that executive managers do not need to have executive
management skills.
In answer to your ButBush ... I do not think W had very good executive
management skills.
I also think that the currect president has demonstrated any significant
management skill at all.
> The man that started Lotus 1-2-3 (It was either Mitchell Kapor or Jonathan
> Sachs, don't remember) was the 'executive.' He hired a good programmer.
> The
> programmer was a better programmer than he was. As 'executive" he was
> worried this expert might leave, so he kept giving him raises. He finally
> gave him half the company, in order to keep him from leaving. It turned
> out
> he was not only a good programmer, he was a better 'executive.' So he
> stepped down and made him president of the company. He was the original
> owner and 'executive,' but he gave away half his company and made another
> the president. He made more money that way.
>
> Was he a good executive? Did he make good executive decisions?
Beats me.
> I will maintain a president of the united states does not have to be a
> good
> executive, as much make good decisions and hire good, 'executive' people.
> Past presidents have proven my point.
So the ability to make good decisions and hire good people is not an
executive management skill. Got it.
>> The president is elected based on charisma and the
>> ability to sell snake oil ... management skills (executive
>> or otherwise) are not factors.
>
> Exactly.
I am glad that we agree on this final note. How about a beer?
garycarson
Because that's not what I said.
I understand now that I realize you don't know the difference between
skills and experience.
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> Because that's not what I said.
>
> I understand now that I realize you don't know the difference between
> skills and experience.
So what you're saying is that all he needs to know, he can be told or pick
up from a book? He doesn't actually need any experience using those
skills?
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Jerry Sturdivant
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>> Because that's not what I said.
>>
>> I understand now that I realize you don't know the difference between
>> skills and experience.
> So what you're saying is that all he needs to know, he can be
> told or pick up from a book? He doesn't actually need any
> experience using thoseskills?
If you have the skills; why do you need experience?
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Postmodern tagline: ����������������������������
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle"
>> Again, not necessarily. It's like the, "I have a high IQ," statement. You
>> can have it, but not be able to use it correctly. For those enamored with
>> Bush; you might note he was "executive" (ran) a number of companies.
>> Every single one failed. So how did he run the country?
> I do not agree that executive managers do not need to
> have executive management skills.
Having been a manager I�ll agree to disagree. (There! I made a decision).
> In answer to your ButBush ... I do not think W had very good
> executive management skills.
But executive skills, nonetheless.
> I also think that the currect president has demonstrated
> any significant management skill at all.
I�ll take that as �hasn�t,� and I�ll say he has. I believe the stimulus was
necessary. But then, Bush did, too. (I can�t find a way to ButBush that).
>> The man that started Lotus 1-2-3 (It was either Mitchell Kapor or
>> Jonathan
>> Sachs, don't remember) was the 'executive.' He hired a good programmer.
> The programmer was a better programmer than he was. As 'executive" he
>> was worried this expert might leave, so he kept giving him raises. He
>> finally gave him half the company, in order to keep him from leaving. It
>> turned out he was not only a good programmer, he was a better
>> 'executive.' So he stepped down and made him president of the company.
>> He was the original owner and 'executive,' but he gave away half his
>> company and made another the president. He made more money that
>> way.
>>
>> Was he a good executive? Did he make good executive decisions?
> Beats me.
The company prospered and he made more money because of his decisions.
>>> I will maintain a president of the united states does not have to be
>>> a good executive, as much make good decisions and hire good,
>>> 'executive' people.
>> Past presidents have proven my point.
> So the ability to make good decisions and hire good
> people is not an executive management skill. Got it.
Damn; I believe you might have me there�.. WAIT! That�s what I said! Hire
others to manage what needs to be managed. So Obama does have managing
skills.
>>> The president is elected based on charisma and the
>>> ability to sell snake oil ... management skills (executive
>>> or otherwise) are not factors.
>> Exactly.
> I am glad that we agree on this final note. How about a beer?
Well thanks. Now I have to make a decision!
Jerry (getting thirsty) �n Vegas
- Conservative Definition of Compassion: I got mine, Jack.
FL Turbo
Yeah, just look at Obama's life experiences.
Well, at least as far as we know about them.
Maybe the AP could spare a few of their fact-checkers to take a good
look and tell us all about his executive skillz.
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Seriously Jerry, how in the world do you remember to breathe?!?!
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garycarson
> On Nov 18 2009 12:10 PM, garycarson wrote:
>
> > Because that's not what I said.
> >
> > I understand now that I realize you don't know the difference between
> > skills and experience.
>
> So what you're saying is that all he needs to know, he can be told or pick
> up from a book? He doesn't actually need any experience using those
> skills?
>
No, I didn't say either one of those things.
I think what I said was pretty clear. I don't expect you to understand
it though.
garycarson
Why not just tell us what you think those skills are? Jerry actually told
us what skills he thinks are required. You might not agree with them,
but at least he tried to say something meaningful.
> Well, at least as far as we know about them.
>
> Maybe the AP could spare a few of their fact-checkers to take a good
> look and tell us all about his executive skillz.
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da pickle
> Why not just tell us what you think those skills are? Jerry actually told
> us what skills he thinks are required. You might not agree with them,
> but at least he tried to say something meaningful.
Why don't YOU, Gary, tell us which of Obama's life experiences leads you to
conclude that he has good "executive" management skills.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
>>>>> Because that's not what I said.
>>>> I understand now that I realize you don't know the
>>>> difference between skills and experience.
>>> So what you're saying is that all he needs to know, he can be
>>> told or pick up from a book? He doesn't actually need any
>>> experience using thoseskills?
>> If you have the skills; why do you need experience?
> Seriously Jerry, how in the world do you remember to breathe?!?!
Sorry. I obviously asked a question you were unable to answer without
admitting you were wrong.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- I used to have a life, now I have a modem.
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> > So what you're saying is that all he needs to know, he can be told or pick
> > up from a book? He doesn't actually need any experience using those
> > skills?
> >
>
>
> No, I didn't say either one of those things.
>
> I think what I said was pretty clear. I don't expect you to understand
> it though.
You said he needs skills (some). Therefore you look at his experience to
see if he has those skills. I'm asking you that if he has the "skills"
but lacks any real experience with those skills, say a fresh out of
Harvard business grad, that's enough for you? How do the skills work
without any experience in applying those skills, Gary? Why do I have to
spell this out?
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Sad thing is, Jerry, I don't think you're trolling. You really are this
fucking stupid. Incredible.
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Bob T.
> On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:32:45 -0800, "phlash74" <phlas...@msn.com>
Are you too old to be familiar with The Princess Bride?
- Bob T.
>
> - Show quoted text -
garycarson
> On Nov 18 2009 9:22 PM, garycarson wrote:
>
> > > So what you're saying is that all he needs to know, he can be told or
pick
> > > up from a book? He doesn't actually need any experience using those
> > > skills?
> > >
> >
> >
> > No, I didn't say either one of those things.
> >
> > I think what I said was pretty clear. I don't expect you to understand
> > it though.
>
> You said he needs skills (some). Therefore you look at his experience to
> see if he has those skills. I'm asking you that if he has the "skills"
> but lacks any real experience with those skills, say a fresh out of
> Harvard business grad, that's enough for you? How do the skills work
> without any experience in applying those skills, Gary? Why do I have to
> spell this out?
>
Experience does not have to be executive management experience. Many
different life experiences can demonstrate various elements of a skill set.
Can you identify which skills you think Obama is deficient in?
If you're going to talk about something then learn to be specific rather
than just talk in mealymouthed Fox platitudes.
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> > You said he needs skills (some). Therefore you look at his experience to
> > see if he has those skills. I'm asking you that if he has the "skills"
> > but lacks any real experience with those skills, say a fresh out of
> > Harvard business grad, that's enough for you? How do the skills work
> > without any experience in applying those skills, Gary? Why do I have to
> > spell this out?
> >
>
> Experience does not have to be executive management experience. Many
> different life experiences can demonstrate various elements of a skill set.
>
> Can you identify which skills you think Obama is deficient in?
>
> If you're going to talk about something then learn to be specific rather
> than just talk in mealymouthed Fox platitudes.
You know Gary, you have probably seen more Fox News in the last 8 years
than I have. I own a single television with no cable at all. I had bunny
ears once, but they don't work anymore and I have no interest in a digital
converter. I have a DVD player which I use to watch a movie or episodes
of a TV show we want to see over dinner with my wife. That's the extent
of my news outlet, commercial, or television exposure. So please stop
with the empty headed "Fox News" horseshit, it doesn't wash.
To be clear, I never said he lacked anything, I asked a simple question.
If a President doesn't need executive management skills and/or experience,
what the fuck DOES he need? To which, I have received a slough of
responses obfuscating the issue with everything from "BUT BUSH..." to "HE
GOT VOTES!" to "there is a difference between skills and experience."
Never once a straightforward answer. Holy shit! Can't you people answer
a simple question? Why is it that everything is returned with a torrent
of misdirection and stupidity up to and including accusing me of "Fox
platitudes" whatever the hell those are. You can call yourself an honest
person with the attack dog attitude you're showing here? Really?
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mo_charles
> > than just talk in mealymouthed Fox platitudes.
>
> You know Gary, you have probably seen more Fox News in the last 8 years
> than I have. I own a single television with no cable at all. I had bunny
> ears once, but they don't work anymore and I have no interest in a digital
> converter. I have a DVD player which I use to watch a movie or episodes
> of a TV show we want to see over dinner with my wife. That's the extent
> of my news outlet, commercial, or television exposure. So please stop
> with the empty headed "Fox News" horseshit, it doesn't wash.
>
> To be clear, I never said he lacked anything, I asked a simple question.
> If a President doesn't need executive management skills and/or experience,
> what the fuck DOES he need? To which, I have received a slough of
> responses obfuscating the issue with everything from "BUT BUSH..." to "HE
> GOT VOTES!" to "there is a difference between skills and experience."
> Never once a straightforward answer. Holy shit! Can't you people answer
> a simple question? Why is it that everything is returned with a torrent
> of misdirection and stupidity up to and including accusing me of "Fox
> platitudes" whatever the hell those are. You can call yourself an honest
> person with the attack dog attitude you're showing here? Really?
obama had plenty of management experience. his 4k budget for staplers and
paperweights in chicago prepared him for trillion dollar federal
give-aways, and his three person team of playground builders prepared him
for troop mobilizations of 30,000 soldiers in afghanistan. what's the
problem?
mo_charles
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garycarson
> On Nov 19 2009 11:02 AM, garycarson wrote:
>
> > > You said he needs skills (some). Therefore you look at his experience to
> > > see if he has those skills. I'm asking you that if he has the "skills"
> > > but lacks any real experience with those skills, say a fresh out of
> > > Harvard business grad, that's enough for you? How do the skills work
> > > without any experience in applying those skills, Gary? Why do I have to
> > > spell this out?
> > >
> >
> > Experience does not have to be executive management experience. Many
> > different life experiences can demonstrate various elements of a skill set.
> >
> > Can you identify which skills you think Obama is deficient in?
> >
> > If you're going to talk about something then learn to be specific rather
> > than just talk in mealymouthed Fox platitudes.
>
> You know Gary, you have probably seen more Fox News in the last 8 years
> than I have. I own a single television with no cable at all. I had bunny
> ears once, but they don't work anymore and I have no interest in a digital
> converter. I have a DVD player which I use to watch a movie or episodes
> of a TV show we want to see over dinner with my wife. That's the extent
> of my news outlet, commercial, or television exposure. So please stop
> with the empty headed "Fox News" horseshit, it doesn't wash.
>
> To be clear, I never said he lacked anything, I asked a simple question.
> If a President doesn't need executive management skills and/or experience,
> what the fuck DOES he need?
No, that wasn't the question you asked.
You're just full of shit.
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Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle"
> Why don't YOU, Gary, tell us which of Obama's life experiences
> leads you to conclude that he has good "executive" management skills.
College educated. Harvard Law degree. Ran the Harvard Law Review.
Congressman. Senator. Successful campaign for President of the United
States. How�s that for starters?
Jerry �n Vegas
- I know it's whale poop! But why is it in MY yard?
Jerry Sturdivant
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>>> Seriously Jerry, how in the world do you remember to breathe?!?!
>> Sorry. I obviously asked a question you were unable to answer
>> without admitting you were wrong.
> Sad thing is, Jerry, I don't think you're trolling. You really are this
> fucking stupid. Incredible.
And you STILL can't answer it. Have you no embarrassment?
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an ass#ole.
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> > To be clear, I never said he lacked anything, I asked a simple question.
> > If a President doesn't need executive management skills and/or experience,
> > what the fuck DOES he need?
>
> No, that wasn't the question you asked.
>
> You're just full of shit.
Here is my original post to this thread, there were none before it:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/29971d1602750990
Here is the text from it, below:
On Nov 15 2009 1:53 PM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
> > No executive management experience
>
> Some; but again, not needed.
> <snip>
> Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> - You can beat a dead horse, but you can't make him drink...
So tell us, oh wise one. What the fuck is needed to be president if
executive management experience isn't needed?
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So go fuck yourself Gary. If you want to call me a liar, you need to show
some evidence. There is my evidence. Can you tell me how you
comprehended what I said any differently? I'm really sorry I gave you the
benefit of the doubt. Same old Gary Carson, with all your English and
writing skills, you're still shown up by a guy for whom English is a
second language in comprehension ability.
Congratulations, I think you owe me an apology. Doubt I'll get one, so I
won't hold my breath.
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> And you STILL can't answer it. Have you no embarrassment?
>
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> - Jesus loves you. Everyone else thinks you're an ass#ole.
You didn't ask a question, Jerry. A paragraph of touting your man and
saying "looks good, huh?" is not a question, it's rhetoric. Look that
word up, and then tell me why you believe the POTUS doesn't need executive
management experience, for what is possibly the most important executive
management position in the world.
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garycarson
LOL.
Executive management experience is not even close to the same thing as
executive management skills.
Go ahead and hold your breath until you turn blue.
I don't think you're a liar. I just think you aren't very bright.
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>> And you STILL can't answer it. Have you no embarrassment?
> You didn't ask a question, Jerry.
Uh; yea, actually I did. And you STILL can't answer it.
> Look that word up, and then tell me why you believe
> the POTUS doesn't need executive management experience
The president doesn't need executive management experience.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- The real reason you can't take it with you: It goes before you do.
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Parroting what you said that begged the question doesn't answer the
question. I asked WHY he doesn't need it, not for a repeat.
WHY doesn't the President need executive management experience?
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> LOL.
>
> Executive management experience is not even close to the same thing as
> executive management skills.
>
> Go ahead and hold your breath until you turn blue.
>
> I don't think you're a liar. I just think you aren't very bright.
So I'll ask again. What are skills without experience? How would you
gain experience without gaining skills?
Go ahead and split hairs instead of answering direct questions, and then
call me the idiot. That definitely wins the argument.
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mo_charles
> >
> > Executive management experience is not even close to the same thing as
> > executive management skills.
> >
> > Go ahead and hold your breath until you turn blue.
> >
> > I don't think you're a liar. I just think you aren't very bright.
>
> So I'll ask again. What are skills without experience? How would you
> gain experience without gaining skills?
>
> Go ahead and split hairs instead of answering direct questions, and then
> call me the idiot. That definitely wins the argument.
you don't need experience to possess skills. it's code for: elect him
president and pray.
mo_charles
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Beldin the Sorcerer
"Follow" <lamema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 20 2009 6:16 AM, garycarson wrote:
>
>> LOL.
>>
>> Executive management experience is not even close to the same thing as
>> executive management skills.
>>
>> Go ahead and hold your breath until you turn blue.
>>
>> I don't think you're a liar. I just think you aren't very bright.
>
> So I'll ask again. What are skills without experience? How would you
> gain experience without gaining skills?
Wow.
Follow the shithead, ladies and gentlemen!
Someone can be an executive for decades, do it damn near incompetently and
keep his job because of connections, entropy, stupidity, pictures of someone
fucking someone they shouldn't, or any number of other reasons.
Someone can have the skills of a good executive without actually having held
the title.
Easy example... most seargents in the military.
>
> Go ahead and split hairs instead of answering direct questions, and then
> call me the idiot. That definitely wins the argument.
>
Showing you the idiot always does though.
Will in New Haven
> On Nov 20 2009 8:10 AM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Follow"
>
> > >> And you STILL can't answer it. Have you no embarrassment?
>
> > > You didn't ask a question, Jerry.
>
> > Uh; yea, actually I did. And you STILL can't answer it.
>
> > > Look that word up, and then tell me why you believe
> > > the POTUS doesn't need executive management experience
>
> > The president doesn't need executive management experience.
>
> > Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> > - The real reason you can't take it with you: It goes before you do.
>
> Parroting what you said that begged the question doesn't answer the
> question. I asked WHY he doesn't need it, not for a repeat.
>
> WHY doesn't the President need executive management experience?
There are reasons on several levels. First of all, the only job
qualification is "get elected." This does not require executive
management experience or any personal quality except having enough
people want you to be president.
Once you are elected, you are president. There are no further
qualifications.
If you are talking about being a _good_ president, that is different.
Still, executive management experience is less important than one
might think. The most important management decisions made by a
president are hiring decisions. If he gets those right, he is well on
his way. His other really important decisions are policy decisions,
not the kind of thing that being the manager of a big company or even
the governor of a state prepares you for. If he gets too involved in
running the executive instead of just handing down policy, he is
likely to fail anyway.
I haven't ever seen a good president but some are less bad than
others.
--
Will in New Haven
Vote No, always vote no.
Follow
> Wow.
> Follow the shithead, ladies and gentlemen!
Why do you always say "ladies and gentlemen!" as if more than maybe 2
people (counting myself) read your drivel filled, idiotic, fucking
posts? Really, you could announce these things that you announce just
as well by whispering in the corner.
> Someone can be an executive for decades, do it damn near incompetently and
> keep his job because of connections, entropy, stupidity, pictures of someone
> fucking someone they shouldn't, or any number of other reasons.
That's obviously what I was talking about, you bumbling moron. I would
expect any reasonable person to glean that the "experience" I'm
referring to would mean clearly that it was good and useful experience
which showed his skill. Conversely, I would expect the skills to shine
through in the experience to show if the person knew what the hell they
were doing.
Of course, it's easier to intentionally misunderstand what I say to
protect the idiotic statements of your only intellectual equal (Jerry
Sturdivant, just in case your track record of being incapable of
following a conversation is holding true) on this NG. If you didn't
intentionally misunderstand what I said earlier, then you really are a
god damn drooling fucking gorilla. But I'm still convinced you're a troll.
> Someone can have the skills of a good executive without actually having held
> the title.
> Easy example... most seargents in the military.
That's your grand (easy) example? Really? So directing a unit of
soldiers is the same as directing a group of executives, or a cabinet?
Skills as a Sergeant qualify a person to be President? Mind boggling...
>> Go ahead and split hairs instead of answering direct questions, and then
>> call me the idiot. That definitely wins the argument.
>>
> Showing you the idiot always does though.
What does that even mean? The prevalent language on this NG is English,
please use it.
Follow :)
Follow
> There are reasons on several levels. First of all, the only job
> qualification is "get elected." This does not require executive
> management experience or any personal quality except having enough
> people want you to be president.
>
> Once you are elected, you are president. There are no further
> qualifications.
>
> If you are talking about being a _good_ president, that is different.
> Still, executive management experience is less important than one
> might think. The most important management decisions made by a
> president are hiring decisions. If he gets those right, he is well on
> his way. His other really important decisions are policy decisions,
> not the kind of thing that being the manager of a big company or even
> the governor of a state prepares you for. If he gets too involved in
> running the executive instead of just handing down policy, he is
> likely to fail anyway.
>
> I haven't ever seen a good president but some are less bad than
> others.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven
> Vote No, always vote no.
>
At least you have an answer, Will. Jerry isn't bright enough to
recognize a rhetorical question when he sees one, let alone have a
viable answer. The correct answer to the question is "My statement was
hyperbole, geez!" Much like what you've just answered with. Instead,
Jerry has decided to defend his post to the death instead of admit his
hyperbole.
Follow :)
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
> WHY doesn't the President need executive management experience?
Not needed. He only needs to be a good decision maker. He decides who
manages what. He forms committees and decides who's on them. They make
recommendations and he decides on an answer. He decides on policy. He
instructs his managers to implement those policies. He does not have to have
executive management experience.
Now you tell us why he has to have executive management experience. Then
explain why preivous good presidents didn't have it.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Philosophical error: demonstrate the existence of a key to continue.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
> At least you have an answer, Will. Jerry isn't bright enough
> to recognize a rhetorical question when he sees one, let
> alone have a viable answer.
Heh. And you don't know what 'rhetorical question' means. Why are you asking
for an answer to a rhetorical question? On top of that, I answered your
question, just as Will did.
> The correct answer to the question is
> "My statement was hyperbole, geez!"
Stumble much while backing up?
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Tell the sheep what they want to hear. Then get 'em back to work!
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
>> I don't think you're a liar. I just
>> think you aren't very bright.
> So I'll ask again. What are skills without experience?
Skills without experience.
> How would you gain experience without gaining skills?
Like you: Ask a stupid question. Find out it's a stupid question. But ask it
again. You learned nothing. You gained experience; but no skills.
> Go ahead and split hairs instead of answering direct
> questions, and then call me the idiot.
As per your request: You're an idiot.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Virginity is like a balloon - One prick and it's gone.
FL Turbo
I saw a chance for a comedic moment.
I seen my chanst, and I took it.
I doan need no steenkin' movie quotes.
FL Turbo
<garyc...@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
>On Nov 18 2009 7:23 PM, FL Turbo wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:39:26 -0800, "garycarson"
>> <garyc...@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 17 2009 12:04 PM, Follow wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Nov 17 2009 7:57 AM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > "Follow"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > >> The only 'stupid' I see are those that cannot admit
>> >> > >> that what I just stated is correct.
>> >> >
>> >> > > If you recall, Jerry, I didn't even complain about the job
>> >> > > Obama is doing. I'm really not interested in discussing
>> >> > > politics with a person who can't even define "Libertarian"
>> >> > > or what the hell "Liberal" means either.
>> >> >
>> >> > You can pick any reason you wish for running from a discussion. You -
>> >> > thinking I don't know what a liberal is - seems as good as any.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > I just pointed out that your comment about him not
>> >> > > needing "executive management experience" to be
>> >> > > the POTUS is painfully retarded, nothing more.
>> >> >
>> >> > And me pointing out how it's proven right bothers you.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > You're the one that went off track thinking I wanted to
>> >> > > have some kind of meaningful discussion with you.
>> >> >
>> >> > You believe I was seeking a meaningful discussion with you?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > Let me be clear, I don't.
>> >> >
>> >> > Apparently you can't because you're under the impression I don't know
>what
>> >a
>> >> > liberal is.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Jerry (a liberal) 'n Vegas
>> >> >
>> >> > - I fed some lemon to my cat...now I've got a sour puss.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, I'm "running" from a discussion with you because you've proven
>> >> time and time again that you're an unthinking idiot, whether or not you
>> >> know what "liberal" means is just an illustration of that. The fact that
>> >> you can't clarify the reasoning behind an idiotic statement like "the
>> >> president doesn't really need executive management experience" while he's
>> >> the biggest executive manager in the country further proves that you're an
>> >> unthinking idiot. You misdirect with other bullshit knowing that your
>> >> original stupid assed statement will be obfuscated in a mudball of opinion
>> >> arguing. It doesn't work with me Jerry.
>> >
>> >The President does need a few executive management skills. One way for
>> >voters to estimate the degree to which a candidate has those skills is to
>> >look at experience. But it's better to define the specific skills needed
>> >and look at life experiences to see if the candidate has demonstrated
>> >those skills than it is to just blindly assume anyone with executive
>> >management experience has the skills and anyone without executive
>> >managment experience does not have them.
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, just look at Obama's life experiences.
>>
>
>Why not just tell us what you think those skills are? Jerry actually told
>us what skills he thinks are required. You might not agree with them,
>but at least he tried to say something meaningful.
Well, he sure has the skill to talk like a slick politician.
Quite good at speaking with a TelePrompTer.
For sure, he has the skill required to send a thrill up the leg of
Chris Matthews.
And besides that, uh, er ...
Oh, yeah.
He has the skill to sit and dither for months about what to do in
Afghanistan, and convince the Obamanistas it is due to his extensive
knowledge of military matters.
>
>
>> Well, at least as far as we know about them.
>>
>> Maybe the AP could spare a few of their fact-checkers to take a good
>> look and tell us all about his executive skillz.
>
----------------------------------------------------
"You guys make a pretty good photo op"
President Obama to US troops in South Korea
11/20/09
Bill Clark
news:okpit6x...@recgroups.com:
> How would you
> gain experience without gaining skills?
"Peter's Principal"?
--
-bc-
Follow
> "Follow"
>
>
>> WHY doesn't the President need executive management experience?
>
> Not needed. He only needs to be a good decision maker. He decides who
> manages what. He forms committees and decides who's on them. They make
> recommendations and he decides on an answer. He decides on policy. He
> instructs his managers to implement those policies. He does not have to have
> executive management experience.
Well enough, I guess. We can just blindly jump in and hope he does a
good job with no track record. You have more gamble than I do, case closed.
> Now you tell us why he has to have executive management experience. Then
> explain why preivous good presidents didn't have it.
>
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> - Philosophical error: demonstrate the existence of a key to continue.
You'll have a real tough time finding a president that I'll agree was
"good." Except maybe the one who died before he could do anything, 30
days or so into his term. I keep forgetting the name. We could use
more presidents like him, 0 decision making = good decision making.
Follow :)
Follow
Whatever, Jerry. I'm willing to accept your reply that you're willing
to gamble on an inexperienced, unskilled President and hope for the
best. I'm not willing to gamble like that and expect a President to
know his shit before he gets into office, my fault I guess. History
teaches us that the biggest dipshit gets elected, one worse than the
last. The latest and greatest in a long line of dipshits, BROCKY! Woo!
Hold on to your hats boys, it's gonna be a wild ride. In any case, I'm
done with this one.
Follow :)
Beldin the Sorcerer
> Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>
>> Wow.
>> Follow the shithead, ladies and gentlemen!
>
> Why do you always say "ladies and gentlemen!" as if more than maybe 2
> people (counting myself) read your drivel filled, idiotic, fucking posts?
Shithead, the fact that you're too retarded to understand my brilliance is a
shame.
You are to be pitied.
Really, you could announce these things that you announce just
> as well by whispering in the corner.
No, I want the world to see you in your puddle of shit.
>
>
>> Someone can be an executive for decades, do it damn near incompetently
>> and keep his job because of connections, entropy, stupidity, pictures of
>> someone fucking someone they shouldn't, or any number of other reasons.
>
> That's obviously what I was talking about, you bumbling moron. I would
> expect any reasonable person to glean that the "experience" I'm referring
> to would mean clearly that it was good and useful experience which showed
> his skill.
No, fuckhead. Clearly you were moronic enough NOT to know the difference
between skills and experience at ALL or you wouldn't have made the
statement.
Conversely, I would expect the skills to shine
> through in the experience to show if the person knew what the hell they
> were doing.
You're a fucking imbecile if you think that they need to do the job to have
the skills, when any number of other areas can have those same skills
developed.
Of course, you ARE a fucking imbecile, so please, shithead, carry right the
fuck on.
>
> Of course, it's easier to intentionally misunderstand what I say to
> protect the idiotic statements of your only intellectual equal (Jerry
> Sturdivant, just in case your track record of being incapable of following
> a conversation is holding true) on this NG.
Follow, when you're through masturbating, the whole group knows you meant
EXACTLY what I said you did.
You're a fucking moron, without a goddamned clue.
If you didn't
> intentionally misunderstand what I said earlier, then you really are a god
> damn drooling fucking gorilla. But I'm still convinced you're a troll.
No, we're all shown you're a retard.
>
>
>> Someone can have the skills of a good executive without actually having
>> held the title.
>> Easy example... most seargents in the military.
>
> That's your grand (easy) example? Really? So directing a unit of
> soldiers is the same as directing a group of executives, or a cabinet?
> Skills as a Sergeant qualify a person to be President? Mind boggling...
>
Wow, Follow, you're a COMPLETE fucking moron.
They have executive skills.
They aren't the same, but they don't HAVE to be, fuckhead.
How LONG have you been this completely stupid?
>
>>> Go ahead and split hairs instead of answering direct questions, and then
>>> call me the idiot. That definitely wins the argument.
>>>
>> Showing you the idiot always does though.
>
> What does that even mean? The prevalent language on this NG is English,
> please use it.
Showing that you're an idiot always wins the argument.
FUCK, retard, learn to COMPREHEND
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
> Whatever, Jerry. I'm willing to accept your reply that
> you're willing to gamble on an inexperienced, unskilled
> President and hope for the best.
Tell me who's gone into the office of the presidency of the United States
with experience as a president of the United States. We KNOW that having
experience at running businesses did no good for Bush.
> I'm not willing to gamble like that and expect a President
> to know his shit before he gets into office, my fault I guess.
And McCain's executive experience?
You just need to be a good decision maker.
> History teaches us that the biggest dipshit
> gets elected, one worse than the last.
No; actually it doesn't.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Survival tip: Never moon a were wolf.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
> You'll have a real tough time finding a president that I'll
> agree was "good." Except maybe the one who died before
> he could do anything, 30 days or so into his term. I keep
> forgetting the name. We could use more presidents like
> him, 0 decision making = good decision making.
As my old boss used to say of my job: "You can't, not, make a decision."
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Now...witness the power of this *FULLY ARMED AND OPERATIONAL* Tagline!
Follow
> "Follow" <lamema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:he6leg$nl7$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.
>>> Follow the shithead, ladies and gentlemen!
>> Why do you always say "ladies and gentlemen!" as if more than maybe 2
>> people (counting myself) read your drivel filled, idiotic, fucking posts?
>
> Shithead, the fact that you're too retarded to understand my brilliance is a
> shame.
> You are to be pitied.
HAHAHAHA! Thank you!
>>> Showing you the idiot always does though.
>> What does that even mean? The prevalent language on this NG is English,
>> please use it.
> Showing that you're an idiot always wins the argument.
> FUCK, retard, learn to COMPREHEND
CAPITAL LETTERS MAKE YOUR POINT MORE CLEAR. THANK YOU AGAIN!
Follow :)
Follow
Like I said, Jerry. I'm done with this conversation, I'm not going to
bring anything more to it. I'll clarify for you, just like I did for
that hopping moron Beldin; "Experience" doesn't mean you just check to
see if they have it, it means you make sure they have *good* experience
and a good track record. How anyone pretends not to understand that is
completely beyond me. But whatever. Things like this are the reason
why it's pointless "discussing" with the RGP libtard coffee clutch.
Follow :)
Pepe Papon
wrote:
>> Now you tell us why he has to have executive management experience. Then
>> explain why preivous good presidents didn't have it.
>You'll have a real tough time finding a president that I'll agree was
>"good." Except maybe the one who died before he could do anything, 30
>days or so into his term. I keep forgetting the name. We could use
>more presidents like him, 0 decision making = good decision making.
Was Abraham Lincoln a good president in your opinion? Before being
elected president, he was a lawyer, then an Illinois state legislator,
then a US Congressman. Hmm...those qualifications seem oddly
familiar.
--
~ Seth Jackson
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Pepe Papon
<jer...@cox.net> wrote:
>Tell me who's gone into the office of the presidency of the United States
>with experience as a president of the United States. We KNOW that having
>experience at running businesses did no good for Bush.
That's because Bush didn't run businesses. He ran businesses into
the ground.
Beldin the Sorcerer
> Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>> "Follow" <lamema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:he6leg$nl7$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wow.
>>>> Follow the shithead, ladies and gentlemen!
>>> Why do you always say "ladies and gentlemen!" as if more than maybe 2
>>> people (counting myself) read your drivel filled, idiotic, fucking
>>> posts?
>>
>> Shithead, the fact that you're too retarded to understand my brilliance
>> is a shame.
>> You are to be pitied.
>
> HAHAHAHA! Thank you!
You're not COMEPLETELY oblivious.
>
>
>>>> Showing you the idiot always does though.
>>> What does that even mean? The prevalent language on this NG is English,
>>> please use it.
>> Showing that you're an idiot always wins the argument.
>> FUCK, retard, learn to COMPREHEND
>
> CAPITAL LETTERS MAKE YOUR POINT MORE CLEAR. THANK YOU AGAIN!
No, shithead.
They show an exclamatory within the sentence.
Clearly reading comprehension is NOT your forte at all.
Beldin the Sorcerer
You think I'm a liberal. Actual liberals call me a right wing nut job.
This is why extremists of all stripes deserve severe mocking.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow"
>>> History teaches us that the biggest dipshit
>>> gets elected, one worse than the last.
>> No; actually it doesn't.
> Like I said, Jerry. I'm done with this conversation,
All evidence to the contrary.
> I'm not going to bring anything more to it.
Really? Let's see:
> I'll clarify for you, just like I did for ...
[More, "being done with it - I'll not bring anything more;" deleted]
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Ideology is history full of myth, but devoid of fact.
da pickle
>> Why don't YOU, Gary, tell us which of Obama's life experiences
>> leads you to conclude that he has good "executive" management skills.
>
> College educated. Harvard Law degree. Ran the Harvard Law Review.
> Congressman. Senator. Successful campaign for President of the United
> States. How's that for starters?
That is not a start, that is the entire list.
Perhaps, GM should have made him CEO and they would not have had so much
trouble.
He would have walked in the door and everyone would have said ... With a
resume like that, he is the guy we need to run this company!
mo_charles
> >with experience as a president of the United States. We KNOW that having
> >experience at running businesses did no good for Bush.
>
> That's because Bush didn't run businesses. He ran businesses into
> the ground.
which businesses did bush run into the ground? what decisions did he make
that led to the failure?
mo_charles
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