pool: Mosconi or Reyes?
jimbeem
Mosconi? I'm asking this because these two names seem to come up the
most.
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kent mcgovern
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wayne crimi
Reyes is a much better all round player.
I have over 25 years of experience and can run 100 balls. You can believe me
on this one.
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pltrgyst
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>> Who was the better pool player in his prime - Efren Reyes or Willie
>> Mosconi? I'm asking this because these two names seem to come up the
>> most.
>>
>Reyes.
Why not ask in rec.sport.billiard (where people really know what they're talking
about), or in alt.sport.pool (if you simply want abuse)?
A lot depends on the game and the rules. Rules have changed concerning things
like the use of jump cues.
Mosconi was the greatest straight pool player ever -- that was the only
championship game of his era. No one else has ever come close to his records or
high runs. But straight pool is seldom played any more.
Efren is great at all cue games. How they'd do head-to-head is simply
conjecture.
-- Larry
pltrgyst
>Mosconi was a better 14.1 player.
>
>Reyes is a much better all round player.
>
>I have over 25 years of experience and can run 100 balls. You can believe me
>on this one.
I have high runs as well, and by comparison, your 25 years is newbie time. I
love Reyes, but I'd never bet against Mosconi as long as he was holding a cue.
Did you ever see him in his prime? Or only on tv when he was over 60 years old?
It's all conjecture, and anyone who says something like "You can believe me
on this one" is talking out the wrong end (and probably a poor poker player as
well 8;) ).
-- Larry
elf...@nc.rr.com
Mosconi was the greatest straight pool player.
At my local pool halls, you will frequently hear comments like, "
that's what efren would do...", "what would efren do", and "don't make
me whip out my efren on you", etc. At least amongst the one-hole
players....
will gamble2
Well, I grew up in the great pool hall era and learned to play on a
real 'billiard' table. You really learn a lot about cueball control
when you play three cushion billiards. I saw Mosconi live a few times
and on T.V. often.
I have seen Reyes on T.V. frequently. I saw my friend Reed Pierce
defeat Reyes in the nine ball world championship... Reed and I came up
in the same pool hall... Tall Man's.
I have always thought Mosconi was the best player and planner ever. I
would like to think that the current technology would just make him
better. My money goes on Mosconi.
As for the 100 ball run guy... I believe you might could once in your
life, but not consistently. I seriously doubt you could run a nine
ball rack without making a ball on the crack. Even players that are
rated 7's don't get through a nine ball rack that often.
Will
wayne crimi
Mosconi was not even considered the best 9 ball player of his era, Lassiter
was. In fact, Mosconi hated the game and rarely played it. So there were
probably several players better than him at it while at his peak.
Mosconi was probably the best 14.1 (straight pool) player ever. He certainly
dominated his era and showed me enough in his 60s to think he would be
competitive with Siegal, Varner, Rempe, and Mizerak even at that age. IMHO
they were the best straight pool players of the late 70s period. I saw them
play often in the 14.1 tournaments of the time.
However, Reyes is a super elite 9-ball, rotation, one pocket, 8 ball, and
balkline player. Not only that, he's a darn good 14.1 player for a guy that
never plays the game at all. I've seen him play. He takes the balls off the
table a little crazy, but that's because he doesn't know the game.
I think Reyes would easily handle Willie in 9 ball, rotation, balkline,
banks, and one pocket (peak vs. peak). (Willie might eventually be able to
beat him in one pocket if he played the game enough.)
However, Willie's incredible 14.1 skills would not automatically translate
into super elite 9 ball and rotation play no matter how much time he spent
on the table. They are different games and the list of "14.1 ONLY" players
that can't cut it at 9 ball/rotation etc.. is very long. Plus, IMHO the
9-ball players of today are MUCH better than the players of Willie's era
with the possible expecption of Lassiter (who I also saw play 14.1 and 9
ball later in life). It's a global game now.
And you are correct, I am not a good poker playerYET, but I can still run
buckets of balls when I practice regularly .
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Vodkaputtputt
Ralph Greenleaf was the greatest pool player that ever lived. Not even close.
Mark
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older age than anyone.
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Bruce Cunningham
> How about Ralph Greenleaf?
Yep! Seventeen time world champion over a period of 34 years I think.
Most of the old sticks that I respected when I used to shoot, thought
he was best. I personally haven't seen enough of each to know, but
Greenleaf is certainly worth mentioning. World championship involving
best two out of three in straight pool, one pocket, and nine ball and
all. Johnny Archer has done some amazing things in nine ball over the
years. Luther Lassiter wasn't bad either. And is Allison Fischer hot
or what!
Bruce Cunningham
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long term strategy. I only get excited now when I see the girls play.
I don't know the orientation of Karen Cord, but she is a real sleeper
in my opinion. (OK she has a hell of a rack on her)
Willie Hoppe won the billiard carom title 51 times.
BCA hall of fame on Mosconi
"Born in Philadelphia in 1913, Willie was a prodigy with the cue by
the age of seven. At 20, he embarked on a hectic cross-country
exhibition tour with his idol, Ralph Greenleaf, then World Champ and
at the height of his game. The result, 57 wins for Greenleaf, an
amazing 50 wins for the young Mosconi. One of the most astounding of
Mosconi's many records is his yet-unbroken exhibition high run of 526
balls!"
On Irving Crane
"IRVING CRANE was born in Livonia, New York. His love for the game
started as a child, when he was given a toy billiard table. Although
he played steadily as a teenager, he did not enter tournament play
until the age of 23. He won his first world title in 1942. Since then,
he has won almost two dozen major championships, including the world
crown in 1946, 1955, 1966, 1968, 1970, 1972, plus the International
Roundrobin championship in 1968.
Crane was the victor in the 1978 World Series of Billiards (a
combination of 14.1 and 9-ball) against a strong field of outstanding
competitors. His greatest triumph, however, was his victory in the
1966 U.S. Open, when he won the championship in a never-to-be-excelled
record run of 150 and out."
Luther Lassiter
"Considered by many to be the finest 9-ball player ever, LUTHER
LASSITER was born in Elizabeth City, NC. Lassiter earned his nickname
"Wimpy," for all the hot dogs and Orange Crushes he could pack away as
a youngster hanging around the local pool hall. By the time he was 17,
"Wimpy" was packing away his share of opponents. Lassiter's biggest
years in tournament play came in the 1960s. In the 11 years of the
Jansco brothers' all-around championships in Johnston City, IL
(1962-1972), Lassiter won the straight pool title five times, the
nine-ball title four times and the one-pocket title once. On three
occasions Lassiter went on to capture the All-Around title (1962,
1963, 1967). He also won the BCA U.S. Open in 1969 and the Stardust
World All-Around championship in 1971."
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pltrgyst
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>> How about Ralph Greenleaf?
>
>>...Greenleaf is certainly worth mentioning.
There is still at least one old-timer floating around the pool groups who was
taught by Greenleaf.
>World championship involving best two out of three in straight pool, one pocket, and nine ball and
>all.
Since it's not a sentence, it's hard to tell what you meant to say here -- but
not in Greenleaf's time (or Mosconi's). There were separate all-around
championships, but the WC was decided at straight pool.
-- Larry
Vodkaputtputt
and that was before the balls were plastic and manufactured to rigid
specifications.
Mark
darrellch...@gmail.com
Mosconi toured with Ralph because he was such a prodigy. Ralph was better at that time but I’m don’t kniw about when Mosconi was a young adult.
3 different Eras
1) Greenleaf played on the largest pocket tables in pocket Billiards History from what I understand
2) Mosconi was like the symbolic son of Ralph and took where Ralph left off
I. My opinion. Those two are Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth of Billiards and nobody can ever surpass them.
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MINUS200
Money games- Mosconi would be an easy winner - tournament "might" be
closer. I have watched Mosconi play many hours and never seen him down
in a game --- GOAT
MINUS200
could have held his own but was only on the scene a few years and he did
not gamble so he was not a real consideration but he could REALLY play
halfpastdead9
halfpastdead9
> Greenleaf and Mosconi were the two greatest and it’s not even close. Reyes is nothing compared to Mosconi
halfpastdead9
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Bill Vanek
<"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Byrd was a young prodigy in the Washington DC area in the early 60's and
>could have held his own but was only on the scene a few years and he did
>not gamble so he was not a real consideration but he could REALLY play
gamble at all - he was just a pool purist, and preferred straight
pool. A friend and I dragged him to a pool hall in Cicero to play 9
ball with Tommy Spencer. Tommy gave up after a few racks.
I just Googled Marshall, and he died earlier this year, so both of
those guys are dead, and neither of them had bad habits. Both were
truly nice guys.
