Then didnt he respond to you after making that bet ?
Doesnt that constitute a loss ?
I mean ..if the bet was amongst grown -ups ?
or did he call "ollie -ollie -in -free"?
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> Didnt ramashitzou make a bet that he wouldnt respond to you ?
Yes, with Alim and Lab Rat.
> Then didnt he respond to you after making that bet ?
Yes.
> Doesnt that constitute a loss ?
No. Prior to responding to Beldin, I withdrew from the prop bet.
When the bet was made, the participants explicitly agreed that anyone
could withdraw from the prop bet at any time.
> I mean ..if the bet was amongst grown -ups ?
> or did he call "ollie -ollie -in -free"?
Listen, you nosy busybody. Bets between other people are none of your
fucking business. Got that?
NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.
Get a fucking life already.
Willam Coleman (ramashiva)
What he said.
> Didnt ramashitzou make a bet that he wouldnt respond to you ?
Yes, with Alim and Lab Rat.
***
I thought BillB got in that one too... oh wait, he's you now, never mind
You're like one of those assholes at the poker table, not involved in
a disputed hand trying to tell the dealer and the floor what should
happen. Just like in that situation, if you aren't involved STFU
>You're like one of those assholes at the poker table, not involved in
a disputed hand trying to tell the dealer and the floor what should
>happen. Just like in that situation, if you aren't involved STFU
Thats easy to say, but when so many people jumped all over skillz for not
stopping posting he was evil.
When someone calls out Ramashiva about money all is well with the world.
This is not the first time he has welched on a bet involving money, BTW.
I googled and found nothing about being able to withdraw. If it is
somewhere out there I apologize, but I dont see anything. This is the last
post about *rules*
"ramashiva" <rama...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:d43febaf-c437-4b7f...@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> OK. I am starting a thread so we can keep track of exactly who is in
> on this prop bet. As of this posting, the following individuals are
> in on the prop bet --
>
> Alim Nassor
> Lab Rat
> Ramashiva
>
> This thread will be updated with new members of prop bet and changes
> to rules.
>
> Right now the rules are simple --
>
> If you respond directly to a Beldin post, you owe every other member
> of the prop bet $20.
>
> If you respond directly to a post which responds to a Beldin post, you
> owe every other member of the prop bet $20.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
> "Alim Nassor"
> >You're like one of those assholes at the poker table, not involved in
> a disputed hand trying to tell the dealer and the floor what should
> >happen. Just like in that situation, if you aren't involved STFU
> Thats easy to say, but when so many people jumped all over skillz for not
> stopping posting he was evil.
> When someone calls out Ramashiva about money all is well with the world.
There is nothing to call me out about. I withdrew from the prop bet
before I replied to Beldin.
> This is not the first time he has welched on a bet involving money, BTW.
I have never welched on a bet. If you are referring to my election
bet with Paul, he specifically posted that, based on his election day
post, I didn't owe him any money. Amazing. The guy I made the bet
with says I don't owe him any money. Yet idiots like you continue to
insist that I welched on the bet.
What the fuck is your problem, exactly?
> I googled and found nothing about being able to withdraw. If it is
> somewhere out there I apologize, but I dont see anything. This is the last
> post about *rules*
It is out there, and please don't ask for a link. It's none of your
fucking business.
The bet was between Alim, Lab Rat, and me. Notice neither Alim nor
Lab Rat protested that I was not allowed to withdraw from the prop
bet.
You must have a really boring life. You are a nosy busybody. Bets
involving other people are none of your fucking business. Got that?
NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
The bet was between Coleman, me and Lab Rat. It was agreed that
withdrawal was allowed. William followed the rules. I forgot about
Lab Rat being in the bet. I paid Lab Rat according to his terms.
William did not welch on this bet in any way.
>It is out there, and please don't ask for a link. It's none of your
fucking business.
If it was out there you would be so quick to jump on it. You are the
fucking liar. Now tell us again about how you only carry guns in the turnk
of your car.
As far as the bet with Paul, when you carry on and cry like a baby (like
with the RazzO bet with someone) what can he do but forgive it.
>The bet was between Alim, Lab Rat, and me. Notice neither Alim nor
Lab Rat protested that I was not allowed to withdraw from the prop
>bet.
Maybe they buy your bullshit more than I do. Maybe they truly believe you
are the angel of death who carries his guns not on her person, but in his
car. Maybe they enjoy hearing your lies about women liking you and enjoy
hearing you call people sand niggers.
As long as you lie about things, I will call you out on them.
>NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.
How's this then - this is a public newsgroup. If you want to continue your
bullshit and not get offended then take it to email.
>William Coleman (ramashiva)
>The bet was between Coleman, me and Lab Rat. It was agreed that
withdrawal was allowed. William followed the rules. I forgot about
>Lab Rat being in the bet. I paid Lab Rat according to his terms.
William did not welch on this bet in any way.
I hear you say that - perhaps this was agreed upon in email? Google doesn't
show it.
What kind of a bet is it that you can withdraw once it has started.
I'm betting on the Raiders Sunday, but if they don't look like they are
going to win I'll just call my bookie and say *oops* Please withdraw my
bet?
People are all over Rick for not paying back loans. I am calling out Willie
for reneging on bets.
I looked on google too and can't find it, but i remember it. This bet
had no end date, it would be foolish to say the bet lasted till
eternity. Coleman publicly withdrew from the bet. I acknowledged
it. Lab Rat ok'd it later. No one reneged.
Neither I nor William have said anything about Rick's situation other
than me giving Rick a little moral support.
> "ramashiva"
> >It is out there, and please don't ask for a link. It's none of your fucking business.
> If it was out there you would be so quick to jump on it.
Why would I??? It's none of your fucking business.
> You are the fucking liar.
No Susan, that would be you.
> Now tell us again about how you only carry guns in the turnk of your car.
I never said that in the first place. WTF is your problem with me and
guns??? I ALWAYS have at least one gun within easy reach. When I
know I am in a dangerous situation, I have several.
> As far as the bet with Paul, when you carry on and cry like a baby (like
> with the RazzO bet with someone) what can he do but forgive it.
He didn't forgive anything. He made an election day post stating
conditions under which I did not have to pay. One of those conditions
was met. I didn't cry like a baby. You are a pathological liar.
> >The bet was between Alim, Lab Rat, and me. Notice neither Alim nor
> > Lab Rat protested that I was not allowed to withdraw from the propbet.
> Maybe they buy your bullshit more than I do.
The bet was between us. You were not involved. It's none of your
fucking business.
> Maybe they truly believe you
> are the angel of death who carries his guns not on her person, but in his
> car. Maybe they enjoy hearing your lies about women liking you and enjoy
> hearing you call people sand niggers.
> As long as you lie about things, I will call you out on them.
Susan, I have never lied about anything on this newsgroup. You, on
the other hand, have told hundreds of lies about me.
> >NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.
> How's this then - this is a public newsgroup. If you want to continue your
> bullshit and not get offended then take it to email.
How about this? When something is none of your fucking business, STFD
and STFU.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
> >The bet was between Coleman, me and Lab Rat. It was agreed that
> withdrawal was allowed. William followed the rules. I forgot about>Lab Rat being in the bet. I paid Lab Rat according to his terms.
> William did not welch on this bet in any way.
> I hear you say that - perhaps this was agreed upon in email? Google doesn't
> show it.
You mean you can't find it with Google.
> What kind of a bet is it that you can withdraw once it has started.
The kind of bet we made. And the kind of bet we made is none of your
fucking business.
> I'm betting on the Raiders Sunday, but if they don't look like they are
> going to win I'll just call my bookie and say *oops* Please withdraw my
> bet?
This has nothing to do with a bet with a bookie. It was a prop bet
among three people with the explicit understanding that anyone could
withdraw from the bet at any time.
> People are all over Rick for not paying back loans. I am calling out Willie
> for reneging on bets.
I didn't renege on a bet. I withdrew from the bet, something I was
allowed to do according to all three participants.
Yet, because you can't find that understanding with Google, you insist
I reneged on the bet.
Newsflash! The participants in the bet say I didn't renege. End of
story.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
The above is exactly correct. All conditions including the ability to
withdraw from the bet, were posted on rgp.
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>Newsflash! The participants in the bet say I didn't renege. End of
story.
>William Coleman (ramashiva)
Bullshit - I have no clue why they are defending you.
I also know I don't need anyone to defend my position. I posted my PROOF.
Where isyours? If had one piece of proof it would be up here.
You are an evil stupid person.
> "ramashiva"
> >Newsflash! The participants in the bet say I didn't renege. End of story.
> Bullshit - I have no clue why they are defending you.
Because they know we had an explicit understanding that we could
withdraw from the prop bet at any time.
> I also know I don't need anyone to defend my position. I posted my PROOF.
You didn't post proof of anything. I will bet you $1000 that you
can't prove there was no understanding that withdrawal from the prop
bet was permitted.
> Where isyours? If had one piece of proof it would be up here.
No it wouldn't. Since you were not involved in this prop bet, it is
none of your fucking business. I don't need to prove anything to you.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
>
> Maybe they buy your bullshit more than I do. Maybe they truly believe you
> are the angel of death
I know I do.
Because they know we had an explicit understanding that we could
withdraw from the prop bet at any time.
Silly me - maybe you can tell me how an explicit understanding is understood
in a NEWSGROUP?
> I also know I don't need anyone to defend my position. I posted my PROOF.
I posted YOUR last post with the rules. So either you were lying then, or
you are lying now. You choose.
>You didn't post proof of anything.
Here is YOUR post again. Nothing implicit about it.
"ramashiva" <rama...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:d43febaf-c437-4b7f...@h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> OK. I am starting a thread so we can keep track of exactly who is in
> on this prop bet. As of this posting, the following individuals are
> in on the prop bet --
>
> Alim Nassor
> Lab Rat
> Ramashiva
>
> This thread will be updated with new members of prop bet and changes
> to rules.
>
> Right now the rules are simple --
>
> If you respond directly to a Beldin post, you owe every other member
> of the prop bet $20.
>
> If you respond directly to a post which responds to a Beldin post, you
> owe every other member of the prop bet $20.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
>I will bet you $1000 that you
can't prove there was no understanding that withdrawal from the prop
>bet was permitted.
Ummmm - isn't this the you can't prove a negative thing? I do believe the
ball is in YOUR court.
Besides, why would I bet anything with you? Its a lose lose. If I win, I
lose. If you win, I lose.
See, I even pay my bets to known welchers.
Why would this be foolish to say "the bet lasted till eternity"?? It's
replying to Beldonk, right?? Seems straight forward, finally tire of
beating your head against a brick wall, stop! End of story.....
<snip obsessive beating of the spot on the ground where a dead horse
used to lie>
Jesus, Susan. What is your major malfunction???
All three of the participants in the prop bet have told you we had an
understanding that withdrawal from the bet was permitted at any time.
But you want to continue to argue that we didn't have that
understanding???
You are seriously mentally ill.
Get help.
Then fuck off and die.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Fuck off and die.
STFD and STFU.
Yeah - I didn't think that one through before I wrote it
>
> Fuck off and die.
>
> STFD and STFU.
>
Susan, you are a perennial ankle-biter. What is your major malfunction?
Can't we all just get along?
Just quoting my hero
***
In that situation, as in this situation, and most of our debates, you're an
idiot, and wrong.
In poker, it is the responsibility of ALL players to ensure that the pot is
awarded correctly and the rules are followed.
HERE, we're trying to determine who was in the bet. That's a matter of
public record.
In the matter of whether he is a whelcher, of course, Willie the weasel is
safe.
I remember his get out by withdrawal loophole myself.
You ok with my reporting that?
I'm fairly certain you don't think I'M his sock puppet
>
>
>
***
Willie, if you ever grow a brain.....
>
> In poker, it is the responsibility of ALL players to ensure that the pot
> is awarded correctly and the rules are followed.
>
You would have got your little ass kicked with that kind of attitude in some
of the California cardrooms in the old days.
> Willie, if you ever grow a brain.....
>
When are you going to grow a sack?
It is painfully obvious to the whole newsgroup that you are afraid to play
Ramashiva. Be a man!
Shoot your mouth off like that at the tables I play at and you will be
told in no uncertain terms to shut the fuck up. If that warnig didnt
work you would probably be invited outside. It's obvious you havent
played much B&M
>
> HERE, we're trying to determine who was in the bet. That's a matter of
> public record
If it is a matter of public record why did you feel the need to shoot
your mouth off?
>
Scary what these pimply faced Cub Scouts dont understand about the poker
world
Just when you think that youve been gypped ..the bearded lady comes and
does a double back flip!!! John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
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>
>
> Not the old days any more
> People actually care about honesty and integrity now
>
Yeah, that's right, Beldin, just like when PokerChimp said there could never
be another holocaust because people are nicer now than they were in 1939.
You're a beauty.
>
>"Alim Nassor"
>
>>The bet was between Coleman, me and Lab Rat. It was agreed that
>withdrawal was allowed. William followed the rules. I forgot about
>>Lab Rat being in the bet. I paid Lab Rat according to his terms.
>William did not welch on this bet in any way.
>
>I hear you say that - perhaps this was agreed upon in email? Google doesn't
>show it.
It was agreed in RGP. I read it here. I have no idea why Google
isn't showing it.
>What kind of a bet is it that you can withdraw once it has started.
One that was agreed upon by all involved.
>I'm betting on the Raiders Sunday, but if they don't look like they are
>going to win I'll just call my bookie and say *oops* Please withdraw my
>bet?
If that were a precondition of the bet, it would be within your
rights.
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Shoot your mouth off like that at the tables I play at and you will be
told in no uncertain terms to shut the fuck up. If that warnig didnt
work you would probably be invited outside. It's obvious you havent
played much B&M
***
Shithead, you'd be slapped silly if you tried that
Obviously YOU are completely unclear on the rules in casino poker
>
> HERE, we're trying to determine who was in the bet. That's a matter of
> public record
If it is a matter of public record why did you feel the need to shoot
your mouth off?
***
Because a shithead like you was LYING about the record
>
That doesn't prevent cheating
> Shithead , the code of conduct changed
>
> That doesn't prevent cheating
Then let me change how I worded that. I stated that in the old days you
would have got your ass kicked, and deservedly so. Let me change that to,
NOWADAYS, there are still plenty of places you will get your ass kicked, and
deservedly so. Let me give you some advice, you little punk, stay indoors,
behind that computer screen of yours. Do NOT venture out of the house to
play in B&M card rooms. If you do, be sure to slip Security 10 bucks to
walk you to your car.
I've played in casinos all over America and all around the world.
Butt into a hand that you are not involved in and you WILL be told to
STFU.
No one gives a fuck about your input. William, Lab Rat and I were
perfectly aware of the terms and the bet had been settled
accordingly. So again STFU.
Exactly right. Try that shit in the card rooms in Dallas, and I
guarantee you will be walking home painfully from having a boot shoved
up your ass. Come on down and play at Redmans or The Spot and flap
your fucking gums.
No issues with security at all
>
>
>
> I played at Foxwoods at least weekly for several months
>
> No issues with security at all
>
Uhh, correct me if I'm wrong, Beldumb, but isn't that like the biggest
cardroom/casino in the friggin world? Clearly you miss the point, retard.
We're talking about you pulling some of your smartmouth crap in smaller
rooms, like the ones in Texas that Alim mentioned, or some of the ones in
California that I mentioned. Trust me, fuck face, you had better not pull
that shit in any of those places, not without your girlfriend the ex-truck
driver there to protect you.
>
***
IOW, you can't win by skill, you need to angle shoot
***
By an asshole who's wrong to do so.
***
No one gives a fuck about your input. William, Lab Rat and I were
perfectly aware of the terms and the bet had been settled
accordingly. So again STFU.
***
Suck your daddy's cock]
Nope, IOW we don't tolerate know it all assholes who butt into shit
that isn't their business. Especially yankees. It's the job of the
dealer and the floor to straighten out any issues. People like you
who butt in aren't helping.
> Suck your daddy's cock]
>
Suck your girlfriend's cock.
Nope, by someone who knows the etiquitte involved. It's up to the
floor to make to ruling. If you are not involved, you need to shut
the fuck up.
>
> No one gives a fuck about your input. William, Lab Rat and I were
> perfectly aware of the terms and the bet had been settled
> accordingly. So again STFU.
> ***
> Suck your daddy's cock]- Hide quoted text -
Gay much? With all this homo talk you are surely trying to deflect
attention away from your own limp wrist.
***
Most of the time, the floor ASKS for help
Most of the REST of the time, some local redneck ASSHOLE is angleshooting
someone
If you assholes weren't trying to STEAL something, why would you CARE if
they talked about the hand?
>
>
Shit for brains, the only time someone is talking is when some redneck
asshole motherfucker is LYING about what happened
> No one gives a fuck about your input. William, Lab Rat and I were
> perfectly aware of the terms and the bet had been settled
> accordingly. So again STFU.
> ***
> Suck your daddy's cock]- Hide quoted text -
Gay much? With all this homo talk you are surely trying to deflect
attention away from your own limp wrist.
***
No, Alim.
We've seen the pics of you, Willie, and Paul in a giant circle jerk
Since you don't know what any of us look like I guess you will just
have to keep cruising the gay porn sights trying to fulfill your
fantasy.
Won't help any since none of us are gay, but we know you will enjoy
the hunt.
***
It looks a lot like Willie jerking off by himself
You love watching that I bet.
***
No, it's rather disgusting
A fat, dirty old man, up in a tree, peeking in windows
And yet you feel compelled to watch.
***
Some idiot sent a picture.
I looked, was disgusted, and moved on
Ellen Page naked; THAT I'd watch
> In poker, it is the responsibility of ALL players to ensure that the pot is
> awarded correctly and the rules are followed.
You've been told repeatedly that you're wrong. I'll take it a step
further and say that this is one of the dumbest god damn things you've
ever said. I can't believe you can be so totally obtuse about poker in
a live setting, so much so that you don't even know common fucking
etiquette. In a live poker game, it is most definitely *NOT* the
responsibility of any players to ensure that the pot is awarded
correctly. It is the responsibility of the dealer and the players
involved in the pot, and possibly the floor.
Your input is harmful to the situation because you might have seen it
wrong, cause a situation, and cost time to the players. I'm sure you
can't possibly understand that though.
In a tournament, your input matters a little more. In a cash game, you
should hold your tongue, and shower.
Accept the good advice given here, Beldin. That way you can be the
scourge of RGP for that much longer. If you don't take at least this
advice, you might have problems, besides the obvious mental problems.
Follow :)
He thinks playing poker in a card room is the equivalent of playing Go
Fish with his grandmother.
> Didnt ramashitzou make a bet that he wouldnt respond to you ?
>
> Then didnt he respond to you after making that bet ?
>
> Doesnt that constitute a loss ?
>
> I mean ..if the bet was amongst grown -ups ?
>
> or did he call "ollie -ollie -in -free"?
A great prop bet would be if these two jumped off the Stratosphere tower
in Vegas together and the first one to hit the ground wins - with bonus
points for landing head first.
Irish Mike
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Shitheads can be in error all day long.
It doesn't change a thing.
I'll take it a step
> further and say that this is one of the dumbest god damn things you've
> ever said.
Fuck you, imbecile.
If someone pays to table their hand, they have every right to the pot, even
if they miss it's theirs.
They may eventually figure it out, and THAT is bad for the game.
Yes, you're a lying, thieving, idiotic scumbag.
This is why you can't "reason" morality
I can't believe you can be so totally obtuse about poker in
> a live setting, so much so that you don't even know common fucking
> etiquette. In a live poker game, it is most definitely *NOT* the
> responsibility of any players to ensure that the pot is awarded correctly.
> It is the responsibility of the dealer and the players involved in the
> pot, and possibly the floor.
No, fuckhead.
From the TDA website :
10. Killing Winning Hand
Dealers cannot kill a winning hand that was tabled and was obviously the
winning hand. Players are encouraged to assist in reading tabled hands if it
appears that an error is about to be made.
http://www.pokertda.com/documents/2009.pdf
You will now argue that that's for tournament play, not cash games.
So what? It's an ethical responsibility
>
> Your input is harmful to the situation because you might have seen it
> wrong, cause a situation, and cost time to the players. I'm sure you
> can't possibly understand that though.
Yeah, you're a fuckhead.
Dealers fuck up.
Most of the time, input from someone else at the table is beneficial to the
person holding the actual winning hand.
>
> In a tournament, your input matters a little more. In a cash game, you
> should hold your tongue, and shower.
You should take your head out of your ass, and scrub it well
>
> Accept the good advice given here, Beldin. That way you can be the
> scourge of RGP for that much longer. If you don't take at least this
> advice, you might have problems, besides the obvious mental problems.
Follow, you were born an imbecile, you'll die an imbecile, and you'll prove
that you are one daily between the two events.
***
No, shithead
Unlike you, I don't think it's like playing Tegwar
> Susan, I have never lied about anything on this newsgroup.
Stop lying.
> "ramashiva" <ramash...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:c22b04f7-8a9c-4314...@x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > Susan, I have never lied about anything on this newsgroup.
> Stop lying.
Stop trying to stir up shit.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
>>> news:c22b04f7-8a9c-4314...@x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> Stop lying.
You shouldn't refer to yourself like that...
it's unbecoming.
Mark Blutarsky (Diputsur)
> "Paul Popinjay" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:hesmmj$ic3$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beld...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:hesltt$bio$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>
> >
> >> Willie, if you ever grow a brain.....
> >>
> >
> > When are you going to grow a sack?
> >
> > It is painfully obvious to the whole newsgroup that you are afraid to play
> > Ramashiva. Be a man!
> Willie, it's obvious to everyone you're too chickenshit to play me'
> Shut up already
I'm no fan of either of you, but these threads are fun to read...like
rubbernecking at a car wreck.
Anyway, it is fairly clear that you (Beldin) are the one who is afraid to
play. Lots of bullshit about $2 being the most of your roll you will put
in play and blah blah blah.
> >
> >
> >
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BULLSHIT
I have played in all the L.A. area cardrooms, and a bunch more, and every
time the floor is called he a) only wants to hear from the dealer or b)
only wants to hear from the dealer and the players involved. If you
aren't involved, he will either tell you to shut up (sometimes politely,
sometimes not) or give you a glare that could kill until you shut yourself
up.
> Most of the REST of the time, some local redneck ASSHOLE is angleshooting
> someone
> If you assholes weren't trying to STEAL something, why would you CARE if
> they talked about the hand?
That isn't exactly what is being talked about here.
Here is an example. You are in MP and you fold. I SB and I limp in with
aces. It is just me and the BB left in the hand. The BB makes an obvious
string raise, which the dealer doesn't catch. I obviously want him to put
whatever raise he wants to into the pot. If you, a player no longer in
the hand, pipe up about the string raise, I just might kill you.
>
>
> >
> > Your input is harmful to the situation because you might have seen it
> > wrong, cause a situation, and cost time to the players. I'm sure you
> > can't possibly understand that though.
>
> Yeah, you're a fuckhead.
> Dealers fuck up.
> Most of the time, input from someone else at the table is beneficial to the
> person holding the actual winning hand.
>
> >
> > In a tournament, your input matters a little more. In a cash game, you
> > should hold your tongue, and shower.
> You should take your head out of your ass, and scrub it well
>
> >
> > Accept the good advice given here, Beldin. That way you can be the
> > scourge of RGP for that much longer. If you don't take at least this
> > advice, you might have problems, besides the obvious mental problems.
>
> Follow, you were born an imbecile, you'll die an imbecile, and you'll prove
> that you are one daily between the two events.
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>
> You shouldn't refer to yourself like that...
> it's unbecoming.
>
> Mark Blutarsky (Diputsur)
>
You're one to talk. SCAMMER!
He will never get it. He is an impossibly immature asshole who can't
help sticking his nose in everywhere it doesn't belong.
> No, fuckhead.
> From the TDA website :
> 10. Killing Winning Hand
>
> Dealers cannot kill a winning hand that was tabled and was obviously the
> winning hand. Players are encouraged to assist in reading tabled hands if it
> appears that an error is about to be made.
>
> http://www.pokertda.com/documents/2009.pdf
>
> You will now argue that that's for tournament play, not cash games.
> So what? It's an ethical responsibility
Yes you fucking moron, that is for tournament play. I said very clearly
in my post that in a tournament, it's different. But in a cash game,
you need to shut the fuck up. Do you really need the quote where I said
it's different in tournaments?
Congratulations proving that in tournaments you can open your stupid
mouth, a point that was never in contention.
Man you're dumb...
Follow :)
> On Nov 28 2009 8:52 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> > "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:hesmmj$ic3$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > > "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldin...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > >news:hesltt$bio$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> > >> Willie, if you ever grow a brain.....
> > > When are you going to grow a sack?
> > > It is painfully obvious to the whole newsgroup that you are afraid to play
> > > Ramashiva. Be a man!
> > Willie, it's obvious to everyone you're too chickenshit to play me'
> > Shut up already
> I'm no fan of either of you,
Your not a fan of mine, Brew? Then why did you adopt a name I called
you as your new posting handle?
> but these threads are fun to read...like rubbernecking at a car wreck.
> Anyway, it is fairly clear that you (Beldin) are the one who is afraid to
> play. Lots of bullshit about $2 being the most of your roll you will put
> in play and blah blah blah.
No shit. Beldin is the biggest coward in the history of RGP. He is
full of bluster and bullshit, but when he gets called on his bullshit
and is challenged to put his money where his mouth is, he makes it
perfectly clear that he is a cowardly weasel.
He has trotted out one excuse after another as to why he cannot accept
my prop bet challenge --
No tournaments which fit his time schedule -- proven false by my
listing four PS NL MTT which do fit his schedule.
Bankroll not large enough to play $11 tournaments -- proven false by
considering the Kelly Criterion, which says the optimum bet size is
the product of ROI and Bankroll. Since he claims a $1000 bankroll and
a huge ROI, even $100 tournaments are clearly not too large for his
bankroll.
Not enough money on PokerStars -- clearly remedied by cashing out a
few hundred from Full Tilt and redepositing on PokerStars. Beldin's
response? He doesn't make deposits. LMFAO! He is offered a simple
easy method to get money on PokerStars, and his response is that he
doesn't deposit??? GMAFB.
Prop bet as stated will be won by player who cashes most often --
proven false by ironclad logic. See my OP "Gary Carson, Logician
Supreme".
The conclusion is inescapable. Beldin is afraid to play me because he
knows I am a much stronger tournament player than he is. His
assertion that I am a terrible tournament player is all bluster and
bullshit which he will not back up by putting his money where his
mouth is.
Bottom line. Beldin is a cowardly weasel with a big mouth and no
balls.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
You're totally out of line with that post, welcher!
I want you to retract that last word and apologize to me here on RGP
ASAP.
RETRACT IT, MOTHERFUCKER.
Mark
PS: Seriously, Paul, that was out of line. If one of my marks googles
my
name and comes across that post, there's a good chance I won't be
able
to separate him from his hard earned monies via the player
transfers.
Not cool.
> On Nov 30, 3:21�pm, "misanthropic whackjob" <acae...@webnntp.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 28 2009 8:52 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>
> > > "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > >news:hesmmj$ic3$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > > > "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldin...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:hesltt$bio$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > > >> Willie, if you ever grow a brain.....
>
> > > > When are you going to grow a sack?
>
> > > > It is painfully obvious to the whole newsgroup that you are afraid to
play
> > > > Ramashiva. �Be a man!
> > > Willie, it's obvious to everyone you're too chickenshit to play me'
> > > Shut up already
>
> > I'm no fan of either of you,
>
> Your not a fan of mine, Brew? Then why did you adopt a name I called
> you as your new posting handle?
I like the name. Suits me perfectly.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyM4uAJBujA
_______________________________________________________________________�
You're totally out of line with that post, welcher!
I want you to retract that last word and apologize to me here on RGP
ASAP.
RETRACT IT, MOTHERFUCKER.
Mark
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Perhaps "scammer" was a bit too strong, and I'll retract THAT! How about
sneaky panty-sniffer?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
PS: Seriously, Paul, that was out of line. If one of my marks googles
my
name and comes across that post, there's a good chance I won't be
able
to separate him from his hard earned monies via the player
transfers.
Not cool.
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Yeah, googling that pirate shit ain't too cool either, numbnuts. And what's
with the "welcher" remark? I did pay you for the scam, uhh, skilled contest
performance that you and Bill conspired, uhh, collaborated on, didn't I?
> -- proven false by
> considering the Kelly Criterion, which says the optimum bet size is
> the product of ROI and Bankroll.
My sentiments exactly.
Pirate shit? You lost me. I thought you just poked his eye out.
> And what's
> with the "welcher" remark? I did pay you for the scam, uhh, skilled contest
> performance that you and Bill conspired, uhh, collaborated on, didn't I?
No complaints there... it's the election bet you refused to get down!
You offered me an election bet, but then ignored my attempts to get
it down (on multiple occasions!) You had no intentions of betting me,
you just wanted to watch me chase my own tail!
WELCHER!
>
> Anyway, it is fairly clear that you (Beldin) are the one who is afraid to
> play. Lots of bullshit about $2 being the most of your roll you will put
> in play and blah blah blah.
Wow, you ARE a complete shithead.
All he has to do is show up at tilt and bet on profit.
I'm very happy to bet him
****
Willie, you're too chickenshit to bet on profit level.
That's cuz you suck ass.
Own it, Bitch
He has trotted out one excuse after another as to why he cannot accept
my prop bet challenge --
No tournaments which fit his time schedule -- proven false by my
listing four PS NL MTT which do fit his schedule.
***
Wrong, lying shitbag.
***
Bankroll not large enough to play $11 tournaments -- proven false by
considering the Kelly Criterion, which says the optimum bet size is
the product of ROI and Bankroll. Since he claims a $1000 bankroll and
a huge ROI, even $100 tournaments are clearly not too large for his
bankroll.
***
Wrong AGAIN.
You being too stupid to understand Snyder's tournament bankroll requirement
formula for high variance play doesn't invalidate it.
You're a complete shithead, I understand WHY you're too stupid to grasp it.
***
Not enough money on PokerStars -- clearly remedied by cashing out a
few hundred from Full Tilt and redepositing on PokerStars. Beldin's
response? He doesn't make deposits. LMFAO! He is offered a simple
easy method to get money on PokerStars, and his response is that he
doesn't deposit??? GMAFB.
***
Wilma Cockwoman,. I said if you manned up, admitted you were a lying sack,
and offered to bet on profit, I'd arrange a transfer.
You ran screaming away with your tail between your legs.
You're a little girl PUSSY.
Case closed
***
Prop bet as stated will be won by player who cashes most often --
proven false by ironclad logic. See my OP "Gary Carson, Logician
Supreme".
***
Shithead,crawling to the money doesn't do it.
You're too big a pantywaist shithead to bet on profit.
You're a coward; a bed wetting thumb sucker.
Case closed
***
The conclusion is inescapable. Beldin is afraid to play me because he
knows I am a much stronger tournament player than he is. His
assertion that I am a terrible tournament player is all bluster and
bullshit which he will not back up by putting his money where his
mouth is.
***
My bucks are ready any time you actually bet on skill, assjammer.
>
>
>
He will never get it. He is an impossibly immature asshole who can't
help sticking his nose in everywhere it doesn't belong.
***
Alim, stop being the biggest shithead on the planet.
You aren't allowed to defacto cheat.
If you try, and someone busts your ignorant, fuckhead, redneck ass, you
deserve the kick in the balls you get for it.
Saying "Shut up, you aren't in the hand" is the same as saying "Let me mug
this guy in the parking lot" and some of us weren't raised that way.
I realize you have no morals at all. It's one of the reasons I bitch slap
your idiot ass so much
>
> Congratulations proving that in tournaments you can open your stupid
> mouth, a point that was never in contention.
You have an ethical responsibility EVERYWHERE to make sure the correct hand
is awarded the pot.
I REALIZE you're a morally bankrupt, lying, theiving, scum bucket... you're
a Randroid, after all
You're right, I did miss the "So what?" I didn't realize you had
acknowledged that you're a god damned idiot who is wrong by uttering
that phrase. You're right "so what" if that rule only applies to
tournaments and not to cash games where things are different and you
can't find a similar rule? And "so what" if the fact of the matter is
that you need to keep your mouth shut, both ethically and according to
etiquette? You want to argue and you're here to do it. Being wrong has
never stopped you from arguing to the death before, in fact it's only a
minor consideration to you.
So what?
Follow :)
> Wrong AGAIN.
> You being too stupid to understand Snyder's tournament bankroll requirement
> formula for high variance play doesn't invalidate it.
>
> You're a complete shithead, I understand WHY you're too stupid to grasp it.
You said that 2% is the max you'll play in a tournament, in reply to not
being willing to play a $20 tournament. Why is it that you can't play a
$20 tournament with a $1000 bankroll if you'll play 2% of your roll max
in a tourney?
Oh sorry...
Shithead.
I almost forgot to put the obligatory derogatory term in there when
replying to Beldin.
Follow :)
>
No, fuckhead.
I acknowledged there is only one WRITTEN code of conduct for tournaments,
and cash game players are bound by whatever card room rule is there.
That doesn't chaneg ETHICAL behaviour at ALL.
Of course, since you're a lying, thieving scum bucket. who the fuck cares,
right?
You're right "so what" if that rule only applies to
> tournaments and not to cash games where things are different and you can't
> find a similar rule? And "so what" if the fact of the matter is that you
> need to keep your mouth shut, both ethically and according to etiquette?
No, fuckhead.
Ethically, if the guy tables a winner, you make goddamned sure he gets the
pot.
You don't let someone steal from him because the dealer fucks up.
ETHICALLY, if the guy paid the goddamned money to show down his hand and
it's the winner he gets the goddamned pot.
ETHICALLY, if I'm the other guy in the pot, I fucking tell him.
Only a complete SCUZZBALL tries to steal it anyway.
That'd be you
You want to argue and you're here to do it. Being wrong has
> never stopped you from arguing to the death before, in fact it's only a
> minor consideration to you.
No, fuckhead, this is where I'm right and it's obvious.
Stealing from the pot USED to be ok. It isn't any more.
Angle shooting USED to be ok. Not now.
Soft playing your buddy USED to be allowed. Not any more.
Stealing a pot because the guy misread his hand after tabling it USED to be
allowed.
NOT FUCKING ANY MORE, ASSHOLE
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH... That's all I can see from your dumb assed posts.
I don't know why anyone tries to explain anything to you, you're a
spoiled child with no brain. I've met smarter parrots in my life.
Follow :)
>> You said that 2% is the max you'll play in a tournament, in reply to not
>> being willing to play a $20 tournament. Why is it that you can't play a
>> $20 tournament with a $1000 bankroll if you'll play 2% of your roll max in
>> a tourney?
> $22, shithead
> I realize you can't comprehend....
You're really arguing that the $2 is over your limit and you won't go
for it because of that? When you say $1000 bankroll, it is exactly that
and never higher?
Ridiculous.
Follow :)
Follow,
I think you just hit the real truth indirectly...... While he'll argue
the $2 is the issue, what it seems to be is the $11 and above levels
are really too hard. As I've said multiple times Beldonk is a very
good tournament player at the lowest levels (and I think I am the lone
poster who gives him credit for this) but as he moves up the pucker/
skill factor increases and he loses his edge. Not sure why it is such
a big deal to him, he does quite well at the level he plays, enjoy it,
collect the money and move on!! Only a fool (and this can't be him)
wouldn't move up in tourney level to higher value spots if they were
such an expert and able to beat the game with such regularity.... oh
and before I forget, just look at the stats, they tell you he's an
expert!!!
As usual you get the entire subject wrong. No one is talking about
cheating here but you. What we are saying is, and you will never get
it, BUTT the FUCK out of stuff that doesn;t concern you. IF the
floor asks you, hell I have no problem with that. But I can tell you
are one of those stupid fucks who thinks he knows better than the
dealer, the floor and the players involved, what actually happened and
what the rules are. People like you get told to STFU regularly.
People like you get asked to discuss it outside regularly. People
like you get their asses kicked regularly.
It's not a moral issue it is an etiquitte issue, and that is why you
have no clue. You are the most classless, ill-mannered buffoon I have
ever come across. Yes I agree with you, you were raised that way.
In addition, shithead, the prop bet itself is part of the entry fee, if it's
on every tournament
>
> Ridiculous.
Yeah, you're pretty stupid
Follow,
I think you just hit the real truth indirectly...... While he'll argue
the $2 is the issue, what it seems to be is the $11 and above levels
are really too hard.
***
Fuck no
They play the same.
Your stupidity here is clear
***
As I've said multiple times Beldonk is a very
good tournament player at the lowest levels (and I think I am the lone
poster who gives him credit for this) but as he moves up the pucker/
skill factor increases and he loses his edge. Not sure why it is such
a big deal to him, he does quite well at the level he plays, enjoy it,
collect the money and move on!! Only a fool (and this can't be him)
wouldn't move up in tourney level to higher value spots if they were
such an expert and able to beat the game with such regularity.... oh
and before I forget, just look at the stats, they tell you he's an
expert!!!
***
Yeah, you're an idiot
Only a fool would ignore variance.
Only a complete fool ignores bankroll requirements
Blind drunk again?
> I don't know why anyone tries to explain anything to you, you're a
> spoiled child with no brain.
No, you're a shithead with no thinking ability at all.
That's why you're wrong so often
> I've met smarter parrots in my life.
Than you? Surely
I can just imagine Beldin getting his ass kicked in the parking lot.
Picture the Black Knight in Monty Python's Holy Grail.
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