Limit vs No Limit > Which is better for a novice?
JJBagoose
First Time, Short Time.
I just started playing poker a couple of months ago. All very low limit
games. I am starting to become more interested and I am reading about
poker now too. I was curious which game (Limit or NL) would be better to
start with. I have had better luck with the NL games (mostly SnGs) but I
get the feeling that the Limit game is much more predictable and reliable.
Any feedback for this newbie would be appreciated.
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Oliver Tse
usually profitable for most solid players with the least amount of
volatility. Furthermore, the seasoned pro has the LEAST edge over the
weekend warrior in Limit Omaha High/Low Split.
If you want to make good money on the side without having to endure big
swings in your bankroll, learn Limit Omaha High/Low Split and play CASH
games (a.k.a. ring games, side games), which are less volatile than
tournaments.
No Limit Hold'em is a psychological blood sport. No Limit Hold'em
tournaments, especially the crapshoot variety you find online, are
extremely volatile. No Limit Hold'em cash games at the low blind level
(.25/.50 blinds at PartyPoker.com, for example) are relatively easy to
beat for tight aggressive players due to the sheer number of bad
(loose-aggressive) players
(a.k.a. "fish") who learn their game solely by watching TV.
The most volatile game of them all is Pot Limit Omaha High. Don't go
anywhere near this game during your first year of play.
JJBagoose
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jj
ROWDY3959
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>jj
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>Thank you very much. Its nice to get a response that doesn't involve a
>Broomstick being shoved somewhere unpleasant.
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>jj
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D'Bach
differently, your results will be more consistent.
The biggest difference in play between Limit and NL is simply the
appropriate bets. In limit, you need to know the value of
calling/betting vs. raising. But in NL, you also need to determine
the appropriate amount to bet.
In the end, the swings are much greater in NL so your results are less
consistent. Limit and NL are not interchangable even though the type
of game (Hold'Em) remains the same. Treat them as separate entities
and, with experience, you'll figure out which is best for you.
To answer your question more directly, I think limit is a better
format for a novice because a big loss is not likely to be as large as
it would be in NL.
Trevor
is a "psychological blood sport." It really is because of its volatility.
In limit you can make a bunch of mistakes, each costing you one bet.
However, one mistake in NL and you're done: no questions asked. The low
limit NL cash games are not that difficult to beat if you are patient.
Expect the miracle suckout every now and then though. When your game
begins to go south in NL, it's hard to figure out what’s wrong. My
experience is that the dry spells become a major psychological battle
within you to determine the problem. For me it’s usually playing too loose
and hands like KJ suited in early position. So when I begin to run dry, I
tighten up and try and focus a little harder. Hope this help.
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JJBagoose
playing Low Limit HE and whenever I go back and analyze my play I usually
find that I was playing too loose. I think I am going to start playing a
couple of sessions as tight as possible and see how I do. One problem I
am finding is that my No-Limit Holdem play (which is pretty good) ends up
costing me money (due to poor decisions)when I am playing limit.
thanks for the advice.
jj
Rich
> To answer your question more directly, I think limit is a better
> format for a novice because a big loss is not likely to be as large as
> it would be in NL.
I don't think much of anyone would disagree that limit is better for
novices. It wpuld be hard to argue otherwise. But as you get more
experience, you might want to play some NL ring games. Some of them are
pretty soft.
It depends on your style - I sometimes prefer NL because it's nice to be
able to manipulate the pot odds others are getting more than you can in a
limit game. Maybe try a game with a $25 max buyin, so you know you won't
lose more than that.
My win rate at NL HE ring games is higher than limit. I don't win more in
an average session, but I've booked some wins that were pretty large,
relatively.
I definitely agree with the person who mentioned limit omaha/8. The LL
games are often very good. But that's a very different style of game, a
lot more sitting back and waiting for cards.
Rich
Gibby
guys around the LA area (which seems to have more poker pros than
Vegas and AC combined) and they all said that if you want to do this
for real, might as well learn NL Hold 'em straight out of the gate.
They did say there were other games that might be easier to get good
at but that I might as well just train for the main game first off.
Up to you I guess. Hope that helps.
dar...@pacbell.net (D'Bach) wrote in message news:<8bd603e8.04011...@posting.google.com>...
Asha34
and admittedly my reasoning may appear self serving. But you might find it
worthwhile nevertheless.
There is much less risk learning to play Limit than learning to play No Limit.
And learning a limit game will teach you the discipline you need to become good
at No Limit. You will also learn to observe your opponents, you will learn
about deception and about reading other hands.
You will be able to climb the general learning curve of poker at your own
pace in a limit game without really being in danger of getting wiped out. And
you can gradually increase your stakes as you go.
But there is a definite downside to learning limit hold em as a precursor to
learning No Limit. The two games are enormously different. The worst type of
No Limit player is the type who plays it like limit. Taking an excellent limit
Hold Em game to a No Limit table can be a recipe for disaster.
So here's another option. Learn to play Stud. The difference between a
solid stud player and a bad stud player is enormous. You can make a lot of
money at Stud if you become a good solid player. Use it to build a bankroll
before you tackle No Limit Hold Em. As a Stud player you will also master all
of the general poker skills that will serve you well at the No Limit table.
And you'll have the advantage over the good Limit Hold Em player of KNOWING
that No Limit Hold Em is a very different game -- so you won't bring any of the
bad habits of the limit hold em player to the No Limit table.
Anyway, just a thought. Good luck.
Ashley Adams
author of Winning 7-Card Stud>
Squint
all that was around back home. I played mostly 5 card stud but also I
played lowball and others. In the past couple of years I have been
playing limit poker and what Asha34 says is very true going both ways.
Limit is completly different from NL. I would say that you should just
become good at both if you plan on playing both. However which you learn
first should be a decision that make based on things like bankroll and
stakes and probability of finding a game. I don't think you should be
putting large amounts of time into NL if you can't find a game around your
area. Also I don't think you should be spending lots of time on your
limit game if the games close to you are NL. Also be prepared for big
swings if you chose to learn NL. They can tear your heart out. Sometimes
you feel like shit when you leave a NL game. Just the way things go. All
that being said let me tell you this. If your bankroll is capable of it
and you have games that you can find learn NL first. The reason is you
will never go to limit unless it is by force once you learn NL. The game
is just so much better and I am not just talking about Hold'em. No limit
poker is more enjoyable. I don't know many people who have the bankroll
and the access to NL games that don't play NL if they think they have the
ability. People just enjoy the game more. You can make a few more plays
and you get less people chasing which generally means less times you get
drawn out on. Less times you get drawn out on the more you feel like it
is skill against skill which generally makes people happier.
Whatever you chose I say good luck
Coach
tournaments.
This applies double if you're on a small budget/bankroll. No limit holdem
can be hell on a small bankroll, and if you're just learning the game,
even more so.
Play limit ring games to build the stack, mixed with no limit sit and goes
to get your poker crack rush. Eventually move up to NLHE and start making
the big bucks.
Dr. Gelakeiwicz
>This is an interesting question. I have a completely different take on it --
>and admittedly my reasoning may appear self serving. But you might find it
>worthwhile nevertheless.
>
>There is much less risk learning to play Limit than learning to play No Limit.
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> But there is a definite downside to learning limit hold em as a precursor to
>learning No Limit. The two games are enormously different. The worst type of
>No Limit player is the type who plays it like limit. Taking an excellent limit
>Hold Em game to a No Limit table can be a recipe for disaster.
> So here's another option. Learn to play Stud.
good advice for someone who has never been in a poker room?
>And you'll have the advantage over the good Limit Hold Em player of KNOWING
>that No Limit Hold Em is a very different game -- so you won't bring any of the
>bad habits of the limit hold em player to the No Limit table.
> Anyway, just a thought. Good luck.
>
I think I might try it first.
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