Sit and go strategy question
anonymopus
I'm UTG with AA. I have about 980 in chips. I raise 4 times the big blind.
The player on the button goes all in. He has about 1800 in chips and is the
chip leader.
I call and so does one other player who has about 800 chips. That player has
ATos.
The player on the button who went all in has 33.
I like my chances until he hits his 3 on the river, knocking 2 of us out
with one punch.
He types "so long suckers" and goes on to win the sit and go.
I'm trying to figure out the strategy behind his play. On the surface, at
least to me, it doesn't seem like a good thing to do (going all in pre-flop
with a small pocket pair against an UTG raiser). I'm hoping someone here can
enlighten me, though.
Thanks!
Weeds
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Super Steamer
The strategy is that he's a dumbass. Take a note, and keep getting all in with
pocket aces.
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anonymopus
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> He made a bad play and got away with it, put him on your buddy list.
I did that. In fact, while I was playing today, I watched him win 3 sit and
gos. He must win a lot. Hard for me to understand this, with his playing
style. I'm lucky to win 1 out of 3.
Las Vegas Ned
In video poker, you will often be faced with an all in bet when you have pocket
aces. If you play video poker long enough, when you raise first with pocket aces
and someone goes all in, warning bells will go off. You will learn to fold your
aces in this situation or you will continually get raped and eventually go broke
and/or give up video poker in frustration.
You're welcome,
Las Vegas Ned
The REAL Deal
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Chris in Texas
I've seen this type of player on the Stars 50's when I play them. Like others
alluded to, he's probably a losing player L/T.
But what he's probably thinking is he'll get folds alot of the time giving
him those few extra chips in the pot, and if he gets called he doesn't mind
racing for half his stack (or more from what I've seen) this early in an SnG.
And, when he's up against a bigger pair, he probably doesn't realize how
dominated he is (might have sucked out a few times to give him a false sense of
security w/ those baby pairs).
Or he's a gambler getting his kicks. Keep your notes on him and try to sit
every SnG you see him in (not to mention NL ring games).
Also, remember the handle of the guy that called all his chips w/ ATs. He's
good to have at the table as well (unless the blinds were ridiculously high to
his stack, but doesn't appear to be so).
Chris
Weeds
left and what were the blinds or what were their stacks in relation to the
blinds. I'm assuming it was early and the blinds were small, if it was
late and there were only 4 players left, your best play would have been an
open push. I can't fault your play, both of the other players made
terrible plays. There are strategies out there that explain the best way
to play at the various stages, if you practice them, you can make a lot of
money. GL
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anonymopus
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> Or he's a gambler getting his kicks. Keep your notes on him and try to sit
> every SnG you see him in (not to mention NL ring games).
I didn't play him today, but I watched him win 3 sit and gos while I played
in other games. He makes a lot of what I consider unorthodox plays.
A Man Beaten by Jacks
>In video poker, you will often be faced with an all in bet when you have pocket
>aces. If you play video poker long enough, when you raise first with pocket aces
>and someone goes all in, warning bells will go off. You will learn to fold your
>aces in this situation or you will continually get raped and eventually go broke
>and/or give up video poker in frustration.
In video poker, you always hold aces and draw three. Duh!
Video poker machines never raise you.
Johnny T
who thinks that the 33 guy was a donkey.
First, yes it was a bad beat. You should have won that hand more often
than not.
But, the guy you want on your buddy list, that you want to play against,
is the guy that called with the A10. He is the real donkey. You
probably do not want to play with the guy with the 33 until you have a
better understanding of how to deal with him.
The important thing to notice about that guy, is that he is winning.
This makes him more dangerous, not less dangerous.
But lets take a look at the play in its whole context.
The first thing, is this is an online sit-n-go. Online sit-n-go's have
a couple of properties that make them interesting from a game theory
standpoint. First is that they are relatively quick. You do not get
many hands TOTAL in the tournament, and very few hands per level. This
is in comparison to the average frequency of premium hands. Second is
that there is ample opportunity to play in another tournament, which
means that your time opportunity between tournaments is relatively high.
You can get in another one fairly quickly. This is opposed to most
B&M tournaments where you may at best have one or two opportunities a
day, and maybe even dramatically less than that. The third thing to
note is that current wisdom, and current play in early parts of
tournaments is to play weak-tight, to weak-loose. This means that
people are more likely to lay down hands to large pressure, because it
usually means big hands. This provides the context.
Now for some game theory and math. Going all-in on the button with a
wide range of hands, in this case for this player that would represent
PP+ (Pocket pairs or better) and say AJs+ for non-paired hands. Game
theory has this as an exploitive play. From a math standpoint, you are
trying to measure your probabillity of success, not necessarily the QTY
of success. Success, getting whatever pot, advances you further in the
tournament (time to play), and failure generally means out of this
tournament and into the next. Success is the sum total of the
percentages of winning the pot, either by the other players folding
their hands and when called, actually winning the hands.
Note taking can be very important here. The key is understanding what
range of hands you may make this raise here, and out of that range,
which hands you will fold. Without knowing anything about you here, I
suspect you may make the raise with TT+ and AQs+, and that you may only
call KK+. If that is the case, I am probably well over 50% and closer
to 70%+ to be successful with this play. In a fast tournament, for
someone who is playing exploitively this may well be enough to take the
chance with. And if you have been noted to play weak-loose, his
percentages are even better for success. And yes, sometimes you run
into aces, and even then sometimes you are successful.
However, exploitive play, by general game theory definition, can be
countered with exploitive play. The general way to exploit this is to
call more. You can call more, by playing tighter, but you may not have
enough opportunities in a given sit-n-go to play tighter. Or you can
call more with worse hands, but this takes on more risk. But this more
risk generally only takes you back to the risks that you would have with
"optimal" play on both of your parts.
This is a good example of the power of position, and betting versus
calling. You have less opportunities to exploit his play because you
are out of position to him, and he gets to make the big bet, and your
options usually are just call or fold. It is not as easy to play
against this person as just making rational plays against rational
people. Which means you should try to either play on the other side of
him, or not at all.
However, the donkey that called with A10 instead. You want to be in
every game with him, because he is just making wrong decisions, which
will be money in your pocket over time. Put him on your buddy list, get
in every sit-n-go you can with him, because you will have put equity in
your pocket long term just playing with him.
As you gain more experience, (which is when you no longer have to ask
this question, and have a deeper understanding of the underlying
principles that the other winning player seems to understand much better
than you, either explicitly or by feel) then you can go after that
player by playing even better poker than him. Better poker means
exploiting HIS play, not just depending on what cards you have.
Cheers
Akashra
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