Another classy Liberal - I think this is AlphaMale/Maverick
susan
misanthropic whackjob
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zjf4Tc-aJM
My god, what a piece of shit. My death panel decisions this week so far:
ZsaZsa-life, Nir Rosen-death.
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O-PGManager
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zjf4Tc-aJM
Here is his apology, doesn't exactly fit in a 30 second soundbyte - I
found it very sincere and compelling:
http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/02/17/nir_rosen_explains_twitter_controversy
Nir Rosen has apologized profusely for his awful comments, now he should
get back to work being the great journalist that he is.
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da pickle
"O-PGManager"
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zjf4Tc-aJM
>
> Here is his apology, doesn't exactly fit in a 30 second soundbyte - I
> found it very sincere and compelling:
> http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2011/02/17/nir_rosen_explains_twitter_controversy
>
> Nir Rosen has apologized profusely for his awful comments, now he should
> get back to work being the great journalist that he is.
But not for NYU. You seem to be quite forgiving. Mr. Rosen seems to be
lying in his apology. What do you make of that? If he later apologizes for
lying in his apology, does that cure the apology and make everything all
right? Just wondering about your sympathy for the guy. What makes him "the
great journalist that he is?"
O-PGManager
> You seem to be quite forgiving. Mr. Rosen seems to be
> lying in his apology. What do you make of that?
I don't think he's lying at all. He said he didn't know the extent of her
attack and I believe him. The "gotcha" that he supposedly had heard
"sexual assault" doesn't mean anything, since the term encompasses so much.
> What makes him "the
> great journalist that he is?"
Qualities you wouldn't even begin to understand.
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susan
"O-PGManager" wrote in message news:bc0438x...@recgroups.com...
On Feb 18 2011 4:26 PM, da pickle wrote:
>> You seem to be quite forgiving. Mr. Rosen seems to be
>> lying in his apology. What do you make of that?
>I don't think he's lying at all. He said he didn't know the extent of her
>attack and I believe him.
So a little sexual assault is OK to brag about as long as there wasn't
penetration? Or maybe just forcing oral sex (we all know that isn't
consider sex - one of your heros told us that)
Aren't journalists supposed to get their facts straight before spouting off?
>"The "gotcha" that he supposedly had heard "sexual assault" doesn't mean
>anything, since the term encompasses so much.
Come on - he knew. Listen to some of the other things he admitted to before
writing that lengthy apology. I agree he is a great writer - I don't always
agree with him but I like his style. But he knew exactly what was going on.
O-PGManager
> "O-PGManager" wrote in message news:bc0438x...@recgroups.com...
>
> On Feb 18 2011 4:26 PM, da pickle wrote:
>
> >> You seem to be quite forgiving. Mr. Rosen seems to be
> >> lying in his apology. What do you make of that?
>
> >I don't think he's lying at all. He said he didn't know the extent of her
> >attack and I believe him.
>
> So a little sexual assault is OK to brag about as long as there wasn't
> penetration? Or maybe just forcing oral sex (we all know that isn't
> consider sex - one of your heros told us that)
When did I say it was ok? Check back two posts ago when I said they were
"awful comments".
> Aren't journalists supposed to get their facts straight before spouting off?
Yes, which is why they were awful comments - but it doesn't mean he was
lying when he said he didn't know the extent of the attack when he made
them.
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susan
"O-PGManager"
>
>> So a little sexual assault is OK to brag about as long as there wasn't
>> penetration? Or maybe just forcing oral sex (we all know that isn't
>> consider sex - one of your heros told us that)
>When did I say it was ok? Check back two posts ago when I said they were
>"awful comments".
>Yes, which is why they were awful comments - but it doesn't mean he was
>lying when he said he didn't know the extent of the attack when he made
>them.
You wrote
"I don't think he's lying at all. He said he didn't know the extent of her
attack and I believe him."
What "extent" makes it OK?
misanthropic whackjob
> On Feb 19 2011 8:26 AM, susan wrote:
>
> > "O-PGManager" wrote in message news:bc0438x...@recgroups.com...
> >
> > On Feb 18 2011 4:26 PM, da pickle wrote:
> >
> > >> You seem to be quite forgiving. Mr. Rosen seems to be
> > >> lying in his apology. What do you make of that?
> >
> > >I don't think he's lying at all. He said he didn't know the extent of
her
> > >attack and I believe him.
> >
> > So a little sexual assault is OK to brag about as long as there wasn't
> > penetration? Or maybe just forcing oral sex (we all know that isn't
> > consider sex - one of your heros told us that)
>
> When did I say it was ok? Check back two posts ago when I said they were
> "awful comments".
>
> > Aren't journalists supposed to get their facts straight before spouting
off?
>
> Yes, which is why they were awful comments - but it doesn't mean he was
> lying when he said he didn't know the extent of the attack when he made
> them.
I don't get why you want to give this guy a pass simply because he
apologized? Al Campanis, a man who everyone said didn't have a racist
bone in his body, was tripped up on a national news show, made an
unfortunate remark that was taken out of context, and had his job and
entire life destroyed PERMANENTLY over it, even though he immediately and
sincerely apologized. Why does this vile pice of shit get a pass, because
he's liberal?
>
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BillB
"misanthropic whackjob" <aca...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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>Al Campanis, a man who everyone said didn't have a racist
> bone in his body, was tripped up on a national news show, made an
> unfortunate remark that was taken out of context, and had his job and
> entire life destroyed PERMANENTLY over it, even though he immediately and
> sincerely apologized.
What?? Not a racist bone in his body? He said blacks weren't
[intellectually] equipped to be managers. Saying blacks are inferior is the
most basic and obvious DEFINITION of racism. What do people have to do or
say before you right wingers will admit the person is a racist? Do they
actually have to burn a cross or something?
He was not "tripped up." He was asked a very straightforward question,
namely, why there were no blacks in MLB management.
His comments were not taken "out of context." He was given several chances
to clarify his answer, and instead he tried to defend it.
misanthropic whackjob
He said, in a poor way, that at that time with only 16 major league teams,
there were no black men who had been given opportunities to gain the
experience required to manage a major league team. He didn't say they
were intellectually inferior, he said that at that time no black man
possessed the requirements to manage a major league team.
Tommy Lasorda, one of Campanis best friends and somebody who had known his
whole life almost, defended Campanis to the end and said (similar to this)
"that man has no racist bone in his body and did more to help advance the
careers of blacks in baseball than any other executive."
BillB
"misanthropic whackjob" <aca...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> He said, in a poor way, that at that time with only 16 major league teams,
> there were no black men who had been given opportunities to gain the
> experience required to manage a major league team. He didn't say they
> were intellectually inferior, he said that at that time no black man
> possessed the requirements to manage a major league team.
That is simply not an honest assessment of what was said. The gist of his
statement was the old racist saw that blacks are gifted athletes, but they
just aren't "equipped" in other areas, the very clear implication being that
while they are gifted athletically, they are deficient intellectually.
> Tommy Lasorda, one of Campanis best friends and somebody who had known his
> whole life almost, defended Campanis to the end and said (similar to this)
> "that man has no racist bone in his body and did more to help advance the
> careers of blacks in baseball than any other executive."
As you've seen from this newsgroup, there is never any shortage of people
who will jump to the defense of racists. It doesn't matter how many black
careers you helped. If you believe blacks are, on the whole, intellectually
inferior and not "equipped" for management, you are a racist (by
definition).
misanthropic whackjob
I am correct in what Campanis said, and every time he said it Koppel told
him "that's crap". Read below. I'm not defending a racist. My original
question was, why does whatever his name is (the guy who laughed numerous
times about a reporter being gangraped) get a pass because of his phony
apology, but Al Campanis was viified?
Excerpts from ABC's Nightline, Al Campanis (AC) interviewed by Ted Koppel
(TK)
TK - Why is it that there are no black managers, no black general
managers, no black owners?
AC - Well Mr. Koppel, there have been some black managers, but I really
can't answer that question directly. The only thing I can say is that you
have to pay your dues when you become a manager. Generally you have to go
to the minor leagues. There's not very much pay involved, and some of the
better-known black players have been able to get into other fields and
make a pretty good living in that way.
TK - Yeah, but you know in your heart of hearts, you know that that's a
lot of bologna. I mean there are a lot of black players, there are a lot
of great black baseball men who would dearly love to be in managerial
positions, and I guess what I'm really asking you is to, you know, peel it
away a bit. Just tell me why you think it is. Is there still that much
prejudice in baseball today?
AC - No, I don't believe it's prejudice. I truly believe that they may
not have some of the necessities to be, let's say, a field manager or
perhaps a general manager.
TK - Do you really believe that?
AC - Well, I don't say that all of them, but they certainly are short.
How many quarterbacks do you have? How many pitchers do you have that are
black?
TK - Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I've got to tell you that that sounds like
the same kind of garbage we were hearing forty years ago about players,
when they were saying, "Ah, not really, not really cut out." Remember the
days when you hit a black football player in the knees. And you know,
that really sounds like garbage, if you forgive me saying so.
AC - No, it's not garbage, Mr. Koppel, because I played on a college team
and the centerfielder was black, in the backfield at NYU with a fullback
who was black. Never knew the difference whether he was black or white;
we were teammates. So it just might be that they, they - why are black
men or black people not good swimmers? Because they don't have the
buoyancy.
TK - Oh, I don't, I don't - it may just be they don't have access to all
the country clubs and the pools....
..
TK - I'd like to give you another chance to dig yourself out, because I
think you need it.
..
AC - I have never said that blacks are not intelligent. I think that many
of them are highly intelligent. But they may not have the desire to be in
the front office. I know that they have wanted to manage, and many of
them have managed. But they're outstanding athletes, very God-gifted, and
they're wonderful people, and that's all that I can tell you about them.
..
AC - (asked to estimate the percentage of blacks among Dodger players)
Roger [Kahn has] mentioned the fact that about a third of the players are
black. That might be a pretty good number, and deservedly so, because
they're outstanding athletes. They are gifted with great musculature and
various other things. They're fleet of foot. And that is why there are a
lot of black major-league ballplayers. Now as far as having the
background to become club presidents, or presidents of a bank, I don't
know.
..
TK - I must stay, I'm flabbergasted. It seems to me we haven't made all
that much progress, then, in forty years.
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O-PGManager
If he honestly thought the sexual assault consisted of groping - then I am
more apt to accept his apology than if he had made the comments knowing
the extent. (which still aren't clear, but apparently was really bad.)
None of this makes it OK, Susan. As I've said, they were "awful
comments". Just because you accept someones apology doesn't mean you
condone their behavior, does it?
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O-PGManager
> I'm not defending a racist. My original
> question was, why does whatever his name is (the guy who laughed numerous
> times about a reporter being gangraped) get a pass because of his phony
> apology, but Al Campanis was viified?
I would've forgiven Al Campanis too if I felt he sincerely apologized.
And if you believe Nir Rosen laughed at gangrape - then you wouldn't
forgive him, but if you believe him that he had no idea the extent of the
attack, then you might.
Tell me where I'm being inconsistent.
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misanthropic whackjob
> On Feb 19 2011 2:29 PM, misanthropic whackjob wrote:
>
> > I'm not defending a racist. My original
> > question was, why does whatever his name is (the guy who laughed numerous
> > times about a reporter being gangraped) get a pass because of his phony
> > apology, but Al Campanis was viified?
>
> I would've forgiven Al Campanis too if I felt he sincerely apologized.
> And if you believe Nir Rosen laughed at gangrape - then you wouldn't
> forgive him, but if you believe him that he had no idea the extent of the
> attack, then you might.
>
> Tell me where I'm being inconsistent.
Well maybe you aren't being inconsistent, but I believe nir rosen is
lying. The very first reports of the incident described it as a gangrape.
There is virtually no way he didn't know the extent of it. He's a prick.
IMO I don't need to read political opinions penned by pricks.
>
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O-PGManager
> On Feb 20 2011 12:53 AM, O-PGManager wrote:
>
> > On Feb 19 2011 2:29 PM, misanthropic whackjob wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not defending a racist. My original
> > > question was, why does whatever his name is (the guy who laughed numerous
> > > times about a reporter being gangraped) get a pass because of his phony
> > > apology, but Al Campanis was viified?
> >
> > I would've forgiven Al Campanis too if I felt he sincerely apologized.
> > And if you believe Nir Rosen laughed at gangrape - then you wouldn't
> > forgive him, but if you believe him that he had no idea the extent of the
> > attack, then you might.
> >
> > Tell me where I'm being inconsistent.
>
> Well maybe you aren't being inconsistent, but I believe nir rosen is
> lying. The very first reports of the incident described it as a gangrape.
No they didn't, they said sexual assault, and Nir Rosen tweeted: "she was
probably groped like thousands of other women." He claims that was the
premise of his awful comments, a willfully negligently incorrect premise
to hold - but still a far cry from laughing over what actually occurred.
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