Legal Help Needed
Barbara Yoon
> Knowing that more than a few lawyers read and post
> on this forum, I thought I'd ask for a little free advice.
> I know, the advice is worth what you pay for it, but
> maybe I'll get a good idea. While riding my motorcycle
> to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all speeding
> tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm
> guilty, but that's not the point. The question: Is there
> anything I can do about this, or should I just shut up
> and pay it?
Suggest that you do like Mike Caro always does, and ask
the judge to assign you to perform "community service"
-- but of course, exactly what that might mean in Las Vegas
is anybody's guess... Good luck!
Quick
for 9 years and have the following advice. If you
live near where you would have to go to court then
go. Its usually worth it unless you have to take off
work for a couple of days and travel out of state.
Don't go to court if its some tiny town out in the
middle of nowhere. The fine on your ticket is probably
the standard fine for that speed in that county. If its
a tiny town somewhere they probably get a significant amount
of revenue (relatively speaking) from tickets on the highway
going through there and the judge probably has the authority
to vary that amount including raising it... "you smart ass
kids from the big city just don't have a respect for the
law and I'm going to hit you with the max for wasting my
time by coming to court".
Otherwise do go to court. There is always the chance that
the officer who wrote the ticket doesn't show up. Forgot,
court date conflicts with some other duty, etc. Usually
if the officer doesn't show up the ticket is automatically
dismissed. If the officer does show up then you want to
try something like "Yes judge, I am guilty but I wanted to
explain that it was a very long drive on a very plain
stretch of driveway and I guess I just was thinking about
all the things I was going to do this weekend and I guess
I just gradually started going faster and faster without
noticing it." Usually if you show up in court you will
get a reduced fine. Always a bit of a gamble if they
happen to be on a crusade at the time...
-Quick
"Mike Caro" <ca...@caro.com> wrote in message
news:ujlQOa1N6TyhF6ogFS=QioK...@4ax.com...
> Barbara --
>
> Last time I was caught doing over 100 mph on my motorcycle in Las
> Vegas, I was sentenced to 40 hours training call girls. Next time who
> knows what it will be?
>
> If you ask me, it's just not worth it. Obey the posted speed limits
> and you won't have those problems.
>
> Straight Flushes,
> Mike Caro (off to Alaska in a few hours)
>
Fourflushr
ask for a little free advice. I know, the advice is worth what you pay for it,
but maybe I'll get a good idea.
While riding my motorcycle to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all speeding
tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm guilty, but that's not
the point.
The question: Is there anything I can do about this, or should I just shut up
and pay it?
3 Bet Brett
Mike Caro
DrToast
I went to fight a speeding ticket about 2 years ago and not only did my cop not
show up, but I would say 80% of the cases before mine were dismissed because of no
shows by the issuing officer. You might want to do a few searches on the internet
for sites about beating a speeding ticket. I found quite a few the last time I
needed to look. Good luck...oh yeah...it's probably not a good idea to be going 100
in a 65 zone. Keep in mind that police cars top out at about 150MPH so, if you go
faster next time you should be able to lose him.
DrToast
Fourflushr wrote:
> Knowing that more than a few lawyers read and post on this forum, I thought I'd
> ask for a little free advice. I know, the advice is worth what you pay for it,
> but maybe I'll get a good idea.
>
> While riding my motorcycle to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all speeding
> tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm guilty, but that's not
> the point.
>
> The question: Is there anything I can do about this, or should I just shut up
> and pay it?
>
> 3 Bet Brett
Rob Wood
"Rob Wood" <robw...@mn.mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:jXW35.355$Rx5.1...@typhoon.mn.mediaone.net...
> Perhaps you would do well to think about that big accident on I-15 north
of
> LV back in March....
>
> -rob
>
>
> "Barbara Yoon" <by...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:8ipd3s$iju$1...@bob.news.rcn.net...
> > Fourflushr:
> > > Knowing that more than a few lawyers read and post
> > > on this forum, I thought I'd ask for a little free advice.
> > > I know, the advice is worth what you pay for it, but
> > > maybe I'll get a good idea. While riding my motorcycle
> > > to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all speeding
> > > tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm
> > > guilty, but that's not the point. The question: Is there
> > > anything I can do about this, or should I just shut up
> > > and pay it?
> >
> >
> >
Mike Caro
Oops, I forgot. I can't post. Sorry, Larry. Too many rules, too little
time.
Straight Flushes,
Mike Caro
Rob Wood
Barbara Yoon
>> to perform "community service" -- but of course, exactly
>> what that might mean in Las Vegas is anybody's guess...
Mike Caro:
> I was sentenced to 40 hours training call girls.
Thank you for at least having the good taste to not regale us
with the nitty-gritty details of your heroic performance of this
noble "community service" in the back seat of your Yugo...
Mike Lynch
question. However, the sight I recommend is www.motorists.org , this
is the home page of the National Motorists Assosiation (NMA). I am a
life member, and they have several articles and links on their site on
how to fight a speeding ticket. I am unfamiliar with Nevada law, but
this should give you a start.
Good luck.
Mike Lynch
muwati
The cop says "Do you know how fast you were going?"
Heisenberg says "No, but I know where I am."
"Fourflushr" <fourf...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000620230815...@ng-df1.aol.com...
> While riding my motorcycle to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all
speeding
> tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm guilty, but that's
not
> the point.
>
> The question: Is there anything I can do about this, or should I just
shut up
> and pay it?
>
> 3 Bet Brett
WILLIAM JOHNSON
Will Johnson
"Mike Caro" <ca...@caro.com> wrote in message
news:FDtQOaGdZRMOBX...@4ax.com...
Asha34
am compelled to respond.
When you ask whether you should do something about the ticket you seem to imply
that you wish to do something to reduce or eliminate the penalty. If that is
the question, then the answer is that there are a number of things you can do
about it.
You can show up in court and ask for a reduced fine. That sometimes works.
Just by showing up and asking for some bargain, the judge will often give you a
break. Similarly, you might even get off entirely, though unlikely, if you
seem especially earnest, show that your record is squeaky clean, and that you
hate to mar it with this infraction. Good luck.
But if you are asking a broader question not directed at the penalty itself,
I'd make the following suggestion.
You ask "Is there anything I can do about this, or should I just shut up and
pay it?"
I think you should think long and hard about the risk you pose to yourself and
others (but mainly yourself) by zipping along at 100 miles an hour (or maybe
faster, since this is just what you were caught at) on a motorcycle. And then,
quietly and without fanfare, you should slow down.
Ashley
Mark D Hiatt
--
To e-mail me, first take out the trash.
muwati <muw...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Christopher from Houston
> You might as well contest the ticket and go to court hoping the cop won't show up.
>I went to fight a speeding ticket about 2 years ago and not only did my cop not
>show up, but I would say 80% of the cases before mine were dismissed because of no
>shows by the issuing officer. You might want to do a few searches on the internet
>for sites about beating a speeding ticket. I found quite a few the last time I
>needed to look. Good luck...oh yeah...it's probably not a good idea to be going 100
>in a 65 zone. Keep in mind that police cars top out at about 150MPH so, if you go
>faster next time you should be able to lose him.
>
>DrToast
150 mph? Are you serious? That seems like it's probably a little
high. The difference between 120 mph and 150 mph is a lot when you
are driving...
-=- christopher
Jae the Poker Newbie
found an area free enough of construction to manage to go 100 mph!
Show up for court. Throw yourself of the mercy of the judge. It was hot and
you were trying to get in the cool. You had to take a wizz. Etc. There's a
paperback book out on avoiding speeding tickets that saved my son's tush a
couple of times.
You might enjoy reading an editorial I wrote on Selective Speeding.
http://www.motocentral.com/articles/editor/wind991008.htm
Ride smart.
-- Jae the Poker Newbie
"Fourflushr" <fourf...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000620230815...@ng-df1.aol.com...
> Knowing that more than a few lawyers read and post on this forum, I
thought I'd
> ask for a little free advice. I know, the advice is worth what you pay
for it,
> but maybe I'll get a good idea.
>
> While riding my motorcycle to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all
speeding
> tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm guilty, but that's
not
> the point.
>
> The question: Is there anything I can do about this, or should I just
shut up
> and pay it?
>
> 3 Bet Brett
Mark D Hiatt
the state coordinator for the CCRTL, the Citizen's Coalition for Rational
Traffic Laws, which was an ancestor of the NMA.
As to the ticket, I'd plan on going to court on this one. Especially since
you're from out of town, I'd think the odds were pretty good that the officer
won't be planning on attending, and you'll win by default. And there's always
the chance that you can beat them at trial, if it comes to that--or bargain it
down to a quick "guilty" of a lesser charge or a lower speed.
You're due $300-odd dollars of justice. You might as well take a tour of The
System and get your money's worth.
--
To e-mail me, first take out the trash.
Mike Lynch <lynch....@mcleodusa.net> wrote in message
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Jeff Woods
> >> maybe I'll get a good idea. While riding my motorcycle
> >> to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all speeding
> >> tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm
> >> guilty, but that's not the point. The question: Is there
> >> anything I can do about this, or should I just shut up
> >> and pay it?
I don't know if NV has what we have, but in North Carolina, we have a
plea known as "prayer for Judgment continued" or PJC. If your record is
clean, you can ask the judge for, in essence, a 3-year continuance, and
if you don't get another ticket in three MORE years, its like it never
happened... but if you DO screw up again before three years are up, both
tickets take full effect immediately, both fines, all points, and all
suspensions that would result from getting 6 points all at once. Look
into if NV offers this.
100 Mph, or 35 over, is in many states an automatic suspension, and IF
Nevada is a "compact" state, they could report the ticket to YOUR DMV,
and it is YOUR DMV whose rules apply. Thus, check with a lawyer in YOUR
state to find out how this (presumably) out-of-state ticket will affect
suspensions, points, and insurance in YOUR state. It may "only" be a
$380 fine in NV, but 3 months later, YOUR STATE'S DMV may come calling
for your license when they find out about it....
Also, find out where that threshhold is. Perhaps its 29 miles over or
less is no suspension, and if PJC is not available, it MAY be to your
advantage to ride (at 65) back to Nevada to appear in court. MOST
jurisdictions will let you "plead guilty to a slower speed". Thus, it
is very likely you can go before the DA in Nevada, and ask to plead
guilty to 94 in a 65 (if that's the cutoff for loss of license), pay the
$380 and KEEP your license....
Again, an attorney specializing in traffic court WHO RESIDES IN THE
COUNTY THE OFFENSE HAPPENED IN is a small expense here. Often, such a
lawyer, familiar to the judge, can get you out of it entirely. Spend
$380 on a lawyer, and get no points, or pay the ticket, and possibly lose
your license.
My advice is free, as you said, and worth exactly that. You need
professional help.
Andy Bloch? ;-)
Ron Natalie
Mike Caro wrote:
>
> Last time I was caught doing over 100 mph on my motorcycle in Las
> Vegas, I was sentenced to 40 hours training call girls. Next time who
> knows what it will be?
>
Training them to do what?
Ron Natalie
Quick wrote:
>
>
> Otherwise do go to court. There is always the chance that
> the officer who wrote the ticket doesn't show up. Forgot,
> court date conflicts with some other duty, etc. Usually
> if the officer doesn't show up the ticket is automatically
> dismissed. If the officer does show up then you want to
> try something like "Yes judge, I am guilty but I wanted to
> explain that it was a very long drive on a very plain
> stretch of driveway and I guess I just was thinking about
> all the things I was going to do this weekend and I guess
> I just gradually started going faster and faster without
> noticing it." Usually if you show up in court you will
> get a reduced fine. Always a bit of a gamble if they
> happen to be on a crusade at the time...
>
Around here you also have the option if you've got a clean
record of spending a day in driving school which not only
wipes out the offense but also adds negative points to your
license.
Ron Natalie
Christopher from Houston wrote:
>
> 150 mph? Are you serious? That seems like it's probably a little
> high. The difference between 120 mph and 150 mph is a lot when you
> are driving...
>
Besides, it's real hard to outrun radio.
Ron Natalie
Fourflushr wrote:
>
> Knowing that more than a few lawyers read and post on this forum, I thought I'd
> ask for a little free advice. I know, the advice is worth what you pay for it,
> but maybe I'll get a good idea.
PBO COP
information, and I will help you out.
Did you get the ticket from the California Highway Patrol or in Nevada ? Most
tickets out there are from CHP. I know alot more about CHP than Nevada but
most of the specifics are the same when it comes to courts, fines, officers,
etc.
Most of a traffic cops overtime is from court. He gets paid time and a half to
show up in most instances. What time of day did you get the ticket and was it
during the week ?
Get back to me and I'll try to help you out. In most courts, if you fight the
ticket, you can't attend traffic school. So in those cases, you are risking it
if the officer does show up. And in some courts, you can't attend traffic
school if you were over 20 mph over the speed limit.
Good luck....
Timmer
> Of course I'm guilty, but that's not
> the point.
another example of what's wrong with people today. yes it is, it is exactly the
point you did the crime now pay the price. I know it would be cheaper (maybe ) to
get some hotshot dirt bag attorney to fix it for you. Maybe you should own up to
your crime and at least take a defensive driving course. Our judicial system is not
by any means perfect but with the continued undermining by persons like you and
scum bag attorneys it has no chance to be anything more than farcical.
do the right thing, pay up and slow down.
timmer
Timmer
Barbara Yoon wrote:
> Fourflushr:
> > Knowing that more than a few lawyers read and post
> > on this forum, I thought I'd ask for a little free advice.
> > I know, the advice is worth what you pay for it, but
> > maybe I'll get a good idea. While riding my motorcycle
> > to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all speeding
> > tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm
> > guilty, but that's not the point. The question: Is there
> > anything I can do about this, or should I just shut up
> > and pay it?
>
> Suggest that you do like Mike Caro always does, and ask
> the judge to assign you to perform "community service"
> -- but of course, exactly what that might mean in Las Vegas
> is anybody's guess... Good luck!
it means in most cases picking up trash and exposing yourself to being
run over by speeding sleepy heads in a drug induced stupor.
Timmer
Ron Natalie wrote:
or a 9 mm projectile
WILLIAM JOHNSON
the Anchorage area.
Quick
"get some hotshot dirt bag attorney to fix it for you"? "continued
undermining by persons like you and scum bag attorneys"? Hes
asking what are his options *within* the system. What could
be more "American" than that? Maybe the law should change?
Some states even forwent their federal highway aid and removed
any speed limit where it wasn't posted. What if he was tooling
through the desert with no traffic or any sign of life about? Should
he resign himself to paying the standard ticket that he would have
received committing the very same infraction in downtown LV at
rush hour?
-Quick (very poor analogy below)
It was illegal for blacks to use the white drinking fountains not too
long ago. I would suppose they were undermining scum bags who
should have just done their time also?
"Timmer" <timme...@earthlink.net> wrote >
John A. D. Cervanyk
bargain has become so widely used that now the first step in going to
court is a visit with the City/District/County Attorney. Most offenses
have preset plea bargains. For example, if you have a clean record, a
2-3 point ticket would be reduced to a non-moving violation (0 point).
Simply going to court could reduce points by 2 or 3 and cut your fine in
half.
If you decline the plea bargain, you plead not guilty to the
original charge and set a court date. If you lose you also have to pay
court fees.
--
Take care,
John A. D. Cervanyk --- ja...@dnvr.uswest.net
"Outside in the cold distance, a wildcat did growl,
two riders were approaching, and the wind began to howl!"
-- Robert Zimmerman (but listen to Hendrix)
Keith Fichtemaier
> Last time I was caught doing over 100 mph on my motorcycle in Las
> Vegas, I was sentenced to 40 hours training call girls.
Wow. That's harsh.
Out of curiosity, what were the customers on whom you demonstrated being
punished for?
fich, straightening up and flying right
RazzO
>Last time I was caught doing over 100 mph on my motorcycle in Las
>knows what it will be?
bWhahahahahaaaaaaa! Right!
3 Bet Brett wrote:
>Knowing that more than a few lawyers read and post on this forum, I
thought I'd
>ask for a little free advice. I know, the advice is worth what you pay
for it,
>but maybe I'll get a good idea.
>While riding my motorcycle to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all
speeding
>tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm guilty, but
that's not
>the point.
>The question: Is there anything I can do about this, or should I just
shut up
>and pay it?
Brett, first of all, assuming no priors, your throttle wasn't stuck open?
Also, I'm sure your not worried about that cash as you are your driving
record in Las Vegas.
Tell the judge you want to see the video(billed as 3 hours, but its one
hour). The offense will be erased(points).
Look at it this way, at least we won't have to go before Judge Seymour
Brown anymore. He died.
razzo
Mike Caro wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2000 23:33:54 -0400, "Barbara Yoon" <by...@erols.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Fourflushr:
> >> Knowing that more than a few lawyers read and post
> >> on this forum, I thought I'd ask for a little free advice.
> >> I know, the advice is worth what you pay for it, but
> >> maybe I'll get a good idea. While riding my motorcycle
> >> to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of all speeding
> >> tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm
> >> guilty, but that's not the point. The question: Is there
> >> anything I can do about this, or should I just shut up
> >> and pay it?
> >
> >Suggest that you do like Mike Caro always does, and ask
> >the judge to assign you to perform "community service"
> >-- but of course, exactly what that might mean in Las Vegas
> >is anybody's guess... Good luck!
>
> Barbara --
>
> Last time I was caught doing over 100 mph on my motorcycle in Las
> Vegas, I was sentenced to 40 hours training call girls. Next time who
> knows what it will be?
>
> If you ask me, it's just not worth it. Obey the posted speed limits
> and you won't have those problems.
>
> Straight Flushes,
> Mike Caro (off to Alaska in a few hours)
Greg Gensicki
Didn't you see the arrows?
Drunk: Arrows?! I didn't even see the indians!
In article <8iq1u5$fve$1...@newsfeed.minn.net>,
"muwati" <muw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Heisenberg is out for a drive when he's stopped by a traffic cop.
> The cop says "Do you know how fast you were going?"
> Heisenberg says "No, but I know where I am."
>
> "Fourflushr" <fourf...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20000620230815...@ng-df1.aol.com...
> > While riding my motorcycle to LV on Friday, I got the grandaddy of
all
> speeding
> > tickets. 100 mph. In a 65. $380 fine. Of course I'm guilty, but
that's
> not
> > the point.
> >
> > The question: Is there anything I can do about this, or should I
just
> shut up
> > and pay it?
> >
> > 3 Bet Brett
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Fourflushr
ago. The person in front of me plead 'nolo contendre'. The judge said "That's
a plea we reserve for Vice Presidents. Guilty or Not Guilty?"
3 Bet Brett
Fourflushr
3 Bet Brett
Fourflushr
3 Bet Brett
Asha34
SteadyEd O
>> > high. The difference between 120 mph and 150 mph is a lot when you
>> > are driving...
>> >
>>
>> Besides, it's real hard to outrun radio.
>
>or a 9 mm projectile
>
>
Or a helicoptor..
Gary Carson
<20000622043908...@ng-fa1.aol.com>...
Okay. I can't stand it anymore. Y'all are right. But, you can outrun a
cop.
When I was about 14 I was working at a resort ranch in Wimberley Texas, in
the Texas Hill Country. I didn't have a driver's lisence, but I had a car.
Myself and some other kids went to a honky tonk East of San Marcos that
admitted (but didn't serve) minors. Going home we ran a red light in San
Marcos and a deputy sheriff gave chase. We ran.
Outside of town we went down the hiway with no lights (and didn't use the
brakes on the curves) and lost the cop when we took the RR12 cuttoff and he
went straight, headed towards Devils Backbone road. We all just went home,
no problem.
The next day, a kid from town came out the ranch and told me, "TJ wants to
see you, he said for you to come to the barber shop right now". TJ was the
town constable. Constable is an elected law enforcement official at the
County Presinct level. He was the Law in and around Wimberley Texas -- he
also drove a school bus and had a barber shop in town.
Anyway, I drove into town, went to see TJ.
He said, "I got a call from the Sheriff in San Marcos this morning".
I said, "yeah?"
He said, "He was looking for a car, and I was thinking you might have seen
it around town or something".
I said, "yeah?"
He said, "It's a 1954 Chevrolet. A convertible. He said it was kind of a
burnt orange color except for two things -- the drivers door was a light
blue and the trunk lid was black. You ever seen a car that looked like
that?"
"No, sir".
"he said, "hmmm. You been to San Marcso recently?"
"No sir".
He said, "You planning on being in San Marcos anytime soon?"
"No siir".
He said, "Well, iffen I was you, I woudn't plan on going to San Marcos for
a real long time"
"Yes, sir".
So, you can ourtun them. I don't recommend it though.
Gary Carson
Jack Diamond
Jack
Fourflushr wrote:
>
> Knowing that more than a few lawyers read and post on this forum, I thought I'd
> ask for a little free advice. I know, the advice is worth what you pay for it,
> but maybe I'll get a good idea.
>
OleMissGolf
and gambling. In Jackson MS, at an intersection, there was
a "no left turn" sign. There was also a cop. My friend took a
left. The cop pulled him over, and gave him a sobriety test.
Then said, "When I saw you take that left in my presence, I knew
you either had to be drunk or stupid... and you ain't drunk!
Yall be careful, now."
Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
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dts...@my-deja.com
25 over, driving school is NOT an option.
In article <3950CFE6...@sensor.com>,
Jeff Timmerberg
assigned day and ask the court clerk for a continuance to a later date of
your choosing. Since police generally have all of their court cases on
specific days of the week/month, by moving your court date you will GREATLY
increase your chances of the cop not showing up.
A further refinement of this strategy is to simply show up on your appointed
court date and look around the courtroom. If the cop who pulled you over is
present, then go to the clerk and obtain a continuance. Repeat this process
until you go to court one day and cop is not present.
Here in Missouri, there are MANY law firms who specialize in turning moving
violations into non-moving violations. Your fine does not usually decrease,
but the important thing is that no points go on your license and your
insurance rates do not increase. Such lawyers usually charge $50-$100 for
this valuable service. Most people I know have a buddy who is a lawyer and
can "fix" their tickets for free.
--JT
jeff...@mail.com
DrToast <drto...@home.com> wrote in message
news:39503A7E...@home.com...
> You might as well contest the ticket and go to court hoping the cop won't
show up.
> I went to fight a speeding ticket about 2 years ago and not only did my
cop not
> show up, but I would say 80% of the cases before mine were dismissed
because of no
> shows by the issuing officer. You might want to do a few searches on the
internet
> for sites about beating a speeding ticket. I found quite a few the last
time I
> needed to look. Good luck...oh yeah...it's probably not a good idea to be
going 100
> in a 65 zone. Keep in mind that police cars top out at about 150MPH so, if
you go
> faster next time you should be able to lose him.
>
> DrToast
Asha34
How long have you been waiting to share this story with us? It is a good
one.
Ashley
MikeM
wrote:
>
>
>Christopher from Houston wrote:
>>
>
>> 150 mph? Are you serious? That seems like it's probably a little
>> high. The difference between 120 mph and 150 mph is a lot when you
>> are driving...
>>
>
>Besides, it's real hard to outrun radio.
Yeah, Florida State Troopers have planes also.. :) Don't know if NV
does.
- m i k e m -
Barbara Yoon
>> to perform "community service" -- but of course, exactly
>> what that might mean in Las Vegas is anybody's guess...
Mike Caro:
> I was sentenced to 40 hours training call girls.
At which Mike was doing just fine, until they assigned him
Tonya Harding for 20 consecutive hours of such "training"
-- giving the expression, "police blotter," a whole new meaning,
with regard to how they eventually had to remove Mike from
the back seat of his fabled Yugo...
