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Arlo-Payne
Feb 9, 2012, 8:51:01 PM2/9/12
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Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
Just cant see anyway he could win.
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Just cant see anyway he could win.
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BillB
Feb 9, 2012, 9:07:10 PM2/9/12
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On 2/9/2012 5:51 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
> Just cant see anyway he could win.
It's a religion with racist undertones, and that's being generous. How
> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
> Just cant see anyway he could win.
many black Mormons are there in the US?
I think Romney will energize the black vote. He's a Mormon. He's not
concerned about the very poor (and willing to say so). He's toast.
DDawgster
Feb 9, 2012, 9:51:17 PM2/9/12
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> Apparently I see no reason for Perry to have lied well over a year ago..
Another gem from Alim Nassor
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Iceman
Feb 9, 2012, 11:27:45 PM2/9/12
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> On 2/9/2012 5:51 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
>
>> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
>> Just cant see anyway he could win.
>
> It's a religion with racist undertones, and that's being generous. How
> many black Mormons are there in the US?
Blacks couldn't even become Mormon priests until 1978.
>
>> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
>> Just cant see anyway he could win.
>
> It's a religion with racist undertones, and that's being generous. How
> many black Mormons are there in the US?
BillB
Feb 9, 2012, 11:31:57 PM2/9/12
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On 2/9/2012 8:27 PM, Iceman wrote
> Blacks couldn't even become Mormon priests until 1978.
Didn't seem to bother Mitt.
> Blacks couldn't even become Mormon priests until 1978.
johnny_t
Feb 9, 2012, 11:34:21 PM2/9/12
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On 2/9/12 5:51 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
> Just cant see anyway he could win.
Really?
> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
> Just cant see anyway he could win.
How could a non-catholic vote for JFK?
What an asinine remark.
Iceman
Feb 9, 2012, 11:58:26 PM2/9/12
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publicly repudiated many of the theories used to justify it for more than
125 years."
"In a 2007 Meet the Press interview, Tim Russert noted that Romney was 31
when the priesthood ban was lifted in 1978. "Didn't you think, 'What am I
doing part of an organization that is viewed by many as a racist
organization?'" Russert asked.
"I'm very proud of my faith, and it's the faith of my fathers," Romney
answered. "And I'm not going to distance myself from my faith in any way."
But Romney also said that he had been "anxious to see a change in my church"
and recalled weeping when he heard that the ban had been lifted.
"Even at this day it's emotional, and so it's very deep and fundamental in
my life and my most core beliefs that all people are children of God,"
Romney said.
Pressed by Russert, Romney refused to say his church was wrong to restrict
blacks from full participation."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-01/mormon-romney-black/52920394/1
> On 2/9/2012 8:27 PM, Iceman wrote
>
>> Blacks couldn't even become Mormon priests until 1978.
>
> Didn't seem to bother Mitt.
"The LDS church has neither formally apologized for the priesthood ban nor
>
>> Blacks couldn't even become Mormon priests until 1978.
>
> Didn't seem to bother Mitt.
publicly repudiated many of the theories used to justify it for more than
125 years."
"In a 2007 Meet the Press interview, Tim Russert noted that Romney was 31
when the priesthood ban was lifted in 1978. "Didn't you think, 'What am I
doing part of an organization that is viewed by many as a racist
organization?'" Russert asked.
"I'm very proud of my faith, and it's the faith of my fathers," Romney
answered. "And I'm not going to distance myself from my faith in any way."
But Romney also said that he had been "anxious to see a change in my church"
and recalled weeping when he heard that the ban had been lifted.
"Even at this day it's emotional, and so it's very deep and fundamental in
my life and my most core beliefs that all people are children of God,"
Romney said.
Pressed by Russert, Romney refused to say his church was wrong to restrict
blacks from full participation."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-01/mormon-romney-black/52920394/1
Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 12:02:31 AM2/10/12
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Not only that, they couldn't achieve the highest level of the afterlife, and
were destined to be nothing more than heavenly servants.
Jim
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were destined to be nothing more than heavenly servants.
Jim
Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 12:03:56 AM2/10/12
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elders than Kennedy's by the Vatican.
Jim
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> On 2/9/12 5:51 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
>> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
>> Just cant see anyway he could win.
>
> Really?
>
> How could a non-catholic vote for JFK?
I think Romney's policies have a bigger chance of being influenced by Mormon
>> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
>> Just cant see anyway he could win.
>
> Really?
>
> How could a non-catholic vote for JFK?
elders than Kennedy's by the Vatican.
Jim
BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 12:07:07 AM2/10/12
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On 2/9/2012 8:58 PM, Iceman wrote:
> But Romney also said that he had been "anxious to see a change in my church"
> and recalled weeping when he heard that the ban had been lifted.
lol..I heard that one. He said he was driving in his car when he heard
> But Romney also said that he had been "anxious to see a change in my church"
> and recalled weeping when he heard that the ban had been lifted.
it on his radio, so he pulled over and had a good cry. What a freakin'
liar.
BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 12:08:03 AM2/10/12
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On 2/9/2012 9:02 PM, Clave wrote:
> Not only that, they couldn't achieve the highest level of the afterlife, and
> were destined to be nothing more than heavenly servants.
In Morman scripture, black people are black because they've been cursed
> Not only that, they couldn't achieve the highest level of the afterlife, and
> were destined to be nothing more than heavenly servants.
by God. Racist fucks.
Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 12:11:40 AM2/10/12
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Mittens hasn't done this yet either, nor will he:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600
Jim
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16920600
Jim
Robert Ladd
Feb 10, 2012, 12:20:26 AM2/10/12
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> On 2/9/2012 5:51 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
>
>> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
>> Just cant see anyway he could win.
>
> It's a religion with racist undertones, and that's being generous. How
> many black Mormons are there in the US?
>
How many black hockey players are there in the NHL? Now there is a sport
>
>> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
>> Just cant see anyway he could win.
>
> It's a religion with racist undertones, and that's being generous. How
> many black Mormons are there in the US?
>
with racist undertones, and that's being generous.
Robert Ladd
Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 1:05:39 AM2/10/12
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Does the NHL have a history of considering blacks to be cursed by god?
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Jim
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Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Jim
BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 1:19:10 AM2/10/12
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On 2/9/2012 9:20 PM, Robert Ladd wrote:
> How many black hockey players are there in the NHL? Now there is a sport
> with racist undertones, and that's being generous.
>
> Robert Ladd
That's really not comparable to, or as insidious as, a religious or
> How many black hockey players are there in the NHL? Now there is a sport
> with racist undertones, and that's being generous.
>
> Robert Ladd
political organization that excludes or targets black people. But yes,
there is an undertone of racial prejudice in the sport of hockey that
surfaces from time to time (which is that many times too often). Let's
face it, black people aren't immune from racism in any endeavor in a
white-dominated society, even in something as wholesome and Canadian as
hockey.
Mossingen
Feb 10, 2012, 1:28:06 AM2/10/12
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BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 1:46:45 AM2/10/12
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On 2/9/2012 10:28 PM, Mossingen wrote:
>> lol..I heard that one. He said he was driving in his car when he heard it
>> on his radio, so he pulled over and had a good cry. What a freakin' liar.
>
>
> That ranks up there with, "But, I never inhaled."
But it's not right up there with "The church leaders and I were visited
>> lol..I heard that one. He said he was driving in his car when he heard it
>> on his radio, so he pulled over and had a good cry. What a freakin' liar.
>
>
> That ranks up there with, "But, I never inhaled."
by God this weekend, and He told us to start letting black people be
priests."
That was whopper of Mormonic proportions!
Why would God tell them to hate on black people for 150 years, and then
one day tell them to stop? Does that make any sense to you? And if it
did make sense to you, would you be mentally fit to be President of the
United States of America?
popinjay999
Feb 10, 2012, 1:55:20 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 9, 6:07 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
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>
> How
> many black Mormons are there in the US?
>
How many blacks are there in the US?
.
>
> How
> many black Mormons are there in the US?
>
And what does any of this have to do with the issues that threaten to
ruin this nation? The nation is bankrupt, facing economic collapse,
is that supposed to have something to do with 1 out of 11 Americans
being black?
And if Romney, as president, fixes the economy, will blacks not
benefit from it just like whites will?
popinjay999
Feb 10, 2012, 1:51:48 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 9, 10:46 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
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> Why would God tell them to hate on black people for 150 years, and then
> one day tell them to stop?
Where was the hate, except in your mind?
>
> Why would God tell them to hate on black people for 150 years, and then
> one day tell them to stop?
Alim Nassor
Feb 10, 2012, 2:06:54 AM2/10/12
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Tad Perry
Feb 10, 2012, 2:29:41 AM2/10/12
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entails.
Most people are willing to lump it in with "just another Protestant"
religion.
Mitt Romney himself has gone a long way toward making people look into it
and educate themselves, but I think the masses remain sorely ignorant.
I think he's draped himself in his faith expecting political support from
the Christian right only to find that many people do NOT accept Mormonism as
a legitimate alternative at all.
"So then Christ traveled to the New World and lived among the Indians and
spread God's Word, conveniently leaving these Golden Tablets and extra books
to the Bible in a cave in the desert for us to find later."
Really, Mitt? You believe that?
tvp
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> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
> Just cant see anyway he could win.
Most people are not even educated on the topic enough to know everything it
> Just cant see anyway he could win.
entails.
Most people are willing to lump it in with "just another Protestant"
religion.
Mitt Romney himself has gone a long way toward making people look into it
and educate themselves, but I think the masses remain sorely ignorant.
I think he's draped himself in his faith expecting political support from
the Christian right only to find that many people do NOT accept Mormonism as
a legitimate alternative at all.
"So then Christ traveled to the New World and lived among the Indians and
spread God's Word, conveniently leaving these Golden Tablets and extra books
to the Bible in a cave in the desert for us to find later."
Really, Mitt? You believe that?
tvp
BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 2:29:58 AM2/10/12
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On 2/9/2012 10:55 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
> And what does any of this have to do with the issues that threaten to
> ruin this nation? The nation is bankrupt, facing economic collapse,
> is that supposed to have something to do with 1 out of 11 Americans
> being black?
What do you mean when you say the nation is bankrupt? That is Fox News
> And what does any of this have to do with the issues that threaten to
> ruin this nation? The nation is bankrupt, facing economic collapse,
> is that supposed to have something to do with 1 out of 11 Americans
> being black?
nonsense. The US is nowhere near bankrupt, but if you guys keep telling
yourselves that long enough, maybe you can turn it into a full blown
self-fulfilling prophecy! Fox News has half the country convinced that
economic Armageddon is right around the corner, and there are simply no
numbers to back that up. Yes, debt is getting on the upper end of where
you want it, but what did you think would happen if you started giving
every well-off person in America ridiculous tax cuts? The US isn't
facing any fiscal challenges it doesn't have the wherewithal to address,
but only if the political will is there to address them.
Romney is off in never-never land. He's going to close a $1.3 trillion
deficit by reducing revenue $400 billion? And he's going around telling
his idiot followers he's going to balance the budget? The first thing
I'd advise y'all to do is get a grip on reality. Seriously, that's step #1.
Tad Perry
Feb 10, 2012, 2:39:11 AM2/10/12
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Anyone who believes Mormonism completely is not mentally fit. However, I
don't think Romney really believes any of it. It's just a political
convenience that may actually backfire if someone attacks him on it the way
he's attacked others.
tvp
Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 2:49:37 AM2/10/12
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<...>
> I think he's draped himself in his faith expecting political support
> from the Christian right only to find that many people do NOT accept
> Mormonism as a legitimate alternative at all.
Rejection of the Trinity has that effect on some people.
> "So then Christ traveled to the New World and lived among the Indians and
> spread God's Word, conveniently leaving these Golden Tablets and extra
> books to the Bible in a cave in the desert for us to find later."
>
> Really, Mitt? You believe that?
This is what gets me -- so many religions require some leaps of faith, but
the LDS dogma is just so *profoundly* goofy I find it difficult to take any
of them seriously.
Jim
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<...>
> I think he's draped himself in his faith expecting political support
> from the Christian right only to find that many people do NOT accept
> Mormonism as a legitimate alternative at all.
> "So then Christ traveled to the New World and lived among the Indians and
> spread God's Word, conveniently leaving these Golden Tablets and extra
> books to the Bible in a cave in the desert for us to find later."
>
> Really, Mitt? You believe that?
the LDS dogma is just so *profoundly* goofy I find it difficult to take any
of them seriously.
Jim
Alim Nassor
Feb 10, 2012, 2:51:14 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 1:49 am, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
> "Tad Perry" <tadpe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
Did you see the South Park episode about Mormons? LOL dum dum dum
dum dum.
> "Tad Perry" <tadpe...@comcast.net> wrote in message
dum dum.
Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 3:19:22 AM2/10/12
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Nope -- heard about it.
Jim
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Jim
popinjay999
Feb 10, 2012, 4:17:18 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 9, 11:29 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
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> What do you mean when you say the nation is bankrupt? That is Fox News
> nonsense. The US is nowhere near bankrupt,
Oh, I'm sorry, I mistook you for someone who wanted to be serious.
>
> What do you mean when you say the nation is bankrupt? That is Fox News
> nonsense. The US is nowhere near bankrupt,
Next time I want to discuss something seriously with someone on this
newsgroup, I'll just talk with Beldin.
Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 4:30:55 AM2/10/12
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Then please to explain what you think "bankrupt" means to a country that
prints money and is able to sell its debt.
Or you can tap-dance and call names -- guess which I expect from you?
Jim
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> On Feb 9, 11:29 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean when you say the nation is bankrupt? That is Fox News
>> nonsense. The US is nowhere near bankrupt,
>
> Oh, I'm sorry, I mistook you for someone who wanted to be serious...
>>
>> What do you mean when you say the nation is bankrupt? That is Fox News
>> nonsense. The US is nowhere near bankrupt,
>
Then please to explain what you think "bankrupt" means to a country that
prints money and is able to sell its debt.
Or you can tap-dance and call names -- guess which I expect from you?
Jim
BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 5:10:13 AM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 1:17 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> Oh, I'm sorry, I mistook you for someone who wanted to be serious.
> Next time I want to discuss something seriously with someone on this
> newsgroup, I'll just talk with Beldin.
The US is *still* pumping out $50k per capita (even with 8.3%
> Oh, I'm sorry, I mistook you for someone who wanted to be serious.
> Next time I want to discuss something seriously with someone on this
> newsgroup, I'll just talk with Beldin.
unemployment!). Debt service is something like 1.5% of GDP. How is that
bankrupt? To put that in perspective, if you were making $50k per year
but had to pay $750/yr interest on all your debts, would you consider
yourself bankrupt?
Would you loan a nearly bankrupt person $100,000 for 10 years at 2%
interest? Didn't think so. Then why do you suppose the world's largest
institutional investors are willing to give the US that deal?
Alim Nassor
Feb 10, 2012, 5:19:10 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 2:19 am, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
> "Alim Nassor" <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I normally wouldn't laugh at someones religion, but South Park skewers
everyone, and it always makes me laugh.
> "Alim Nassor" <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
everyone, and it always makes me laugh.
Alim Nassor
Feb 10, 2012, 5:24:08 AM2/10/12
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Twist went into effect, the Fed has purchased more than 90 percent of
all long term Treasuries that have been offered.
BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 6:19:30 AM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 2:24 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> Uh, except they aren't. Buying our debt, I mean. Since Operation
> Twist went into effect, the Fed has purchased more than 90 percent of
> all long term Treasuries that have been offered.
Okay, assuming that's true, and I don't know that it is, who is buying
> Uh, except they aren't. Buying our debt, I mean. Since Operation
> Twist went into effect, the Fed has purchased more than 90 percent of
> all long term Treasuries that have been offered.
the other 10%? And how much is outstanding that isn't being dumped? I
heard Bill Gross was loading up on treasuries these days, but who knows.
The point is, 2% is the going rate. I think that is ridiculous myself
(and Warren Buffett agrees), but it is certainly not consistent with a
market opinion of impending bankruptcy. We've seen repeatedly over the
past couple of years that investors still flock to treasuries in a
perceived crisis -- even if the perceived crisis is a US downgrade!
Alim Nassor
Feb 10, 2012, 6:28:04 AM2/10/12
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rate. When the fed buys 90%, the "world's largest
institutional investors ", aren't really stepping up and buying into
the game anymore.
BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 6:44:22 AM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 3:28 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> Yeah, it's the going rate, because when the Fed buys 90%, they set the
> rate. When the fed buys 90%, the "world's largest
> institutional investors ", aren't really stepping up and buying into
> the game anymore.
You didn't answer my questions..who is buying the remaining 10% at that
> Yeah, it's the going rate, because when the Fed buys 90%, they set the
> rate. When the fed buys 90%, the "world's largest
> institutional investors ", aren't really stepping up and buying into
> the game anymore.
ridiculously low yield and why? That's still umpteen billions of
dollars, right? And why aren't huge institutional debt holders dumping
treasuries en masse? And why are people still flocking to US Treasuries
in a perceived economic crisis? That doesn't seem like impending
bankruptcy to me. I've never heard of people rushing to get their money
into a bankrupt company on the first whiff of financial turbulence.
da pickle
Feb 10, 2012, 7:03:52 AM2/10/12
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women could not vote until 1920 in Canada (1940 in Quebec) and the
euphemistically called First Nations did not get the vote until 1960.]
If he ever studied his Canadian history, he would know that the first
race riot in North America occurred in Canada. The same folks were not
real friendly with the Acadians either. So I guess discrimination
wasn't always just because the folks were black.
I really like Canada. I wish it were better represented here.
BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 7:27:48 AM2/10/12
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On 2/10/2012 4:03 AM, da pickle wrote:
> BILLbea has nothing left but hate. [Of course, he has forgotten that
> women could not vote until 1920 in Canada (1940 in Quebec) and the
> euphemistically called First Nations did not get the vote until 1960.]
>
> If he ever studied his Canadian history, he would know that the first
> race riot in North America occurred in Canada. The same folks were not
> real friendly with the Acadians either. So I guess discrimination wasn't
> always just because the folks were black.
Do you have a point? I find Canadian history somewhat boring. So what?
> BILLbea has nothing left but hate. [Of course, he has forgotten that
> women could not vote until 1920 in Canada (1940 in Quebec) and the
> euphemistically called First Nations did not get the vote until 1960.]
>
> If he ever studied his Canadian history, he would know that the first
> race riot in North America occurred in Canada. The same folks were not
> real friendly with the Acadians either. So I guess discrimination wasn't
> always just because the folks were black.
If you find it interesting, you should write about it. Who's stopping
you? Is there something wrong with being interested in the history of
African-American social stratification in North America? Is that a taboo
topic with you or something? It was the one of my primary academic
interests when I was working on my sociology degree. Are you offended by
the topic for some reason?
Alim Nassor
Feb 10, 2012, 7:25:49 AM2/10/12
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bought almost all of it, now they are only buying 10%. China has been
selling US debt and buying record amounts of gold. Russia has dumped
more than 30% of their treasuries and is continuing to sell. The Fed
holds more US treasuries than any outside government. Counting
intergovernmental holdings and the Fed, the holdings are over 6.3
trillion dollars. Just 10 years ago, the amount was 2.5 trillion.
The Chinese bought 490 tons of gold in 2011, doubling the 245 tons of
gold they bought in 2010. Many other nations are also buying record
amounts of gold. Mexico bought 100 tons in the first quarter of
2011alone.
popinjay999
Feb 10, 2012, 8:31:07 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 1:30 am, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
>
> Then please to explain what you think "bankrupt" means to a country that
> prints money and is able to sell its debt.
>
> Or you can tap-dance and call names -- guess which I expect from you?
>
> Jim
So let me see if I can get into the mind of you liberal scumbags. Is
>
> Then please to explain what you think "bankrupt" means to a country that
> prints money and is able to sell its debt.
>
> Or you can tap-dance and call names -- guess which I expect from you?
>
> Jim
it that you folks don't really think we have a financial problem? Is
that it, fuckface?
mo_ntresor
Feb 10, 2012, 10:24:49 AM2/10/12
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On Feb 10 2012 5:03 AM, da pickle wrote:
> > Where was the hate, except in your mind?
>
> BILLbea has nothing left but hate. [Of course, he has forgotten that
> women could not vote until 1920 in Canada (1940 in Quebec) and the
> euphemistically called First Nations did not get the vote until 1960.]
>
> If he ever studied his Canadian history, he would know that the first
> race riot in North America occurred in Canada. The same folks were not
> real friendly with the Acadians either. So I guess discrimination
> wasn't always just because the folks were black.
>
> I really like Canada. I wish it were better represented here.
the real canada's on display here. they're a fundamentally insecure
> > Where was the hate, except in your mind?
>
> BILLbea has nothing left but hate. [Of course, he has forgotten that
> women could not vote until 1920 in Canada (1940 in Quebec) and the
> euphemistically called First Nations did not get the vote until 1960.]
>
> If he ever studied his Canadian history, he would know that the first
> race riot in North America occurred in Canada. The same folks were not
> real friendly with the Acadians either. So I guess discrimination
> wasn't always just because the folks were black.
>
> I really like Canada. I wish it were better represented here.
nation. i'm on maui right now, so laugh at cannucks with me: clashing
bermuda shirts and shorts and tivas with socks.
mo_ntresor
----
BTSinAustin
Feb 10, 2012, 10:36:43 AM2/10/12
to
On Feb 10 2012 12:07 AM, BillB wrote:
> On 2/9/2012 8:58 PM, Iceman wrote:
>
> > But Romney also said that he had been "anxious to see a change in my
church"
> > and recalled weeping when he heard that the ban had been lifted.
>
>
> On 2/9/2012 8:58 PM, Iceman wrote:
>
> > But Romney also said that he had been "anxious to see a change in my
church"
> > and recalled weeping when he heard that the ban had been lifted.
>
>
> lol..I heard that one. He said he was driving in his car when he heard
> it on his radio, so he pulled over and had a good cry. What a freakin'
> liar.
So where were you two going when this happened? I ask since you were
> it on his radio, so he pulled over and had a good cry. What a freakin'
> liar.
obviously there in the car. What? Oh, you're just calling someone a liar
about something you know nothing about yet again.
Pinhead.
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mo_ntresor
Feb 10, 2012, 10:37:02 AM2/10/12
to
On Feb 10 2012 5:25 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > You didn't answer my questions..who is buying the remaining 10% at that
> > ridiculously low yield and why? That's still umpteen billions of
> > dollars, right? And why aren't huge institutional debt holders dumping
> > treasuries en masse? And why are people still flocking to US Treasuries
> > in a perceived economic crisis? That doesn't seem like impending
> > bankruptcy to me. I've never heard of people rushing to get their money
> > into a bankrupt company on the first whiff of financial turbulence.
>
> I don't know who all is buying it, the point is, until recently, they
> bought almost all of it, now they are only buying 10%. China has been
> selling US debt and buying record amounts of gold. Russia has dumped
> more than 30% of their treasuries and is continuing to sell. The Fed
> holds more US treasuries than any outside government. Counting
> intergovernmental holdings and the Fed, the holdings are over 6.3
> trillion dollars. Just 10 years ago, the amount was 2.5 trillion.
>
> The Chinese bought 490 tons of gold in 2011, doubling the 245 tons of
> gold they bought in 2010. Many other nations are also buying record
> amounts of gold. Mexico bought 100 tons in the first quarter of
> 2011alone.
you're talking to a world class imbecile. the nation is going bankrupt
> > You didn't answer my questions..who is buying the remaining 10% at that
> > ridiculously low yield and why? That's still umpteen billions of
> > dollars, right? And why aren't huge institutional debt holders dumping
> > treasuries en masse? And why are people still flocking to US Treasuries
> > in a perceived economic crisis? That doesn't seem like impending
> > bankruptcy to me. I've never heard of people rushing to get their money
> > into a bankrupt company on the first whiff of financial turbulence.
>
> I don't know who all is buying it, the point is, until recently, they
> bought almost all of it, now they are only buying 10%. China has been
> selling US debt and buying record amounts of gold. Russia has dumped
> more than 30% of their treasuries and is continuing to sell. The Fed
> holds more US treasuries than any outside government. Counting
> intergovernmental holdings and the Fed, the holdings are over 6.3
> trillion dollars. Just 10 years ago, the amount was 2.5 trillion.
>
> The Chinese bought 490 tons of gold in 2011, doubling the 245 tons of
> gold they bought in 2010. Many other nations are also buying record
> amounts of gold. Mexico bought 100 tons in the first quarter of
> 2011alone.
and fast. we've borrowed $135k against every taxpayer and $48k against
every citizen; all on top of $50k+ in personal debt. our service costs
are at unsustainable all-time lows, and our medicare, medicaide, and
social security costs are ramping up. who's going to solve this problem?
obama? more pandering, lying lawyer whores? don't make me fucking laugh.
we need to fire washington.
mo_ntresor
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BTSinAustin
Feb 10, 2012, 10:40:33 AM2/10/12
to
On Feb 9 2012 9:07 PM, BillB wrote:
> On 2/9/2012 5:51 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
>
> > Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
> > Just cant see anyway he could win.
>
> It's a religion with racist undertones, and that's being generous. How
> concerned about the very poor (and willing to say so). He's toast.
Mocking one of the worlds great religions? Proof you are a bigot.
_______________________________________________________________________
> On 2/9/2012 5:51 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
>
> > Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
> > Just cant see anyway he could win.
>
> many black Mormons are there in the US?
>
> I think Romney will energize the black vote. He's a Mormon. He's not
>
> concerned about the very poor (and willing to say so). He's toast.
Mocking one of the worlds great religions? Proof you are a bigot.
_______________________________________________________________________
BillB
Feb 10, 2012, 11:01:26 AM2/10/12
to
On 2/10/2012 7:24 AM, mo_ntresor wrote:
> the real canada's on display here. they're a fundamentally insecure
> nation.
A guy who scurries across the street when he sees a black teenager...
> the real canada's on display here. they're a fundamentally insecure
> nation.
calling *other* people insecure. LOL!
Will in New Haven
Feb 10, 2012, 12:01:29 PM2/10/12
to
On Feb 10, 1:19 am, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
> On 2/9/2012 9:20 PM, Robert Ladd wrote:
>
> > How many black hockey players are there in the NHL? Now there is a sport
>
> That's really not comparable to, or as insidious as, a religious or
> political organization that excludes or targets black people. But yes,
> there is an undertone of racial prejudice in the sport of hockey that
> surfaces from time to time (which is that many times too often). Let's
> face it, black people aren't immune from racism in any endeavor in a
> white-dominated society, even in something as wholesome and Canadian as
> hockey.
I read an interview with one of the first, and very few, Black NHL
players where he said that he had been well treated by the team he was
on and the players on his team. He also said that the opposition
treated him the same way they treated his teammates, which was badly.
He seemed fine with the whole thing.
--
Will in New Haven
> On 2/9/2012 9:20 PM, Robert Ladd wrote:
>
> > How many black hockey players are there in the NHL? Now there is a sport
> > with racist undertones, and that's being generous.
>
> > Robert Ladd
>
>
> That's really not comparable to, or as insidious as, a religious or
> political organization that excludes or targets black people. But yes,
> there is an undertone of racial prejudice in the sport of hockey that
> surfaces from time to time (which is that many times too often). Let's
> face it, black people aren't immune from racism in any endeavor in a
> white-dominated society, even in something as wholesome and Canadian as
> hockey.
I read an interview with one of the first, and very few, Black NHL
players where he said that he had been well treated by the team he was
on and the players on his team. He also said that the opposition
treated him the same way they treated his teammates, which was badly.
He seemed fine with the whole thing.
--
Will in New Haven
bratt
Feb 10, 2012, 12:07:35 PM2/10/12
to
On Feb 10 2012 10:01 AM, BillB wrote:
> A guy who scurries across the street when he sees a black teenager...
> calling *other* people insecure. LOL!
funny you keep saying that, but when I ask you to prove it you dodget the
> A guy who scurries across the street when he sees a black teenager...
> calling *other* people insecure. LOL!
question.
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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas
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Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 1:21:56 PM2/10/12
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"mo_ntresor" <amontillad...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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<...>
> i'm on maui right now...
And you can't think of anything better to do than post to Usenet.
Jim
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<...>
> i'm on maui right now...
And you can't think of anything better to do than post to Usenet.
Jim
phlash74
Feb 10, 2012, 2:08:22 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 10:21 am, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
> "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_hDGEF2Plzc/Tya4QiV0Q6I/AAAAAAAAAVY/4TcmwhXlack/s1600/pot-kettle-black.jpg
Michael
> "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1fpf09x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
>
> <...>
>
> > i'm on maui right now...
>
> And you can't think of anything better to do than post to Usenet.
>
> Jim
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=VfQIzxkAAACmSQtIPacJRz-muF6QM-M9zZbPxo6VgF4ewGuzoN048w
> news:1fpf09x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
>
> <...>
>
> > i'm on maui right now...
>
> And you can't think of anything better to do than post to Usenet.
>
> Jim
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_hDGEF2Plzc/Tya4QiV0Q6I/AAAAAAAAAVY/4TcmwhXlack/s1600/pot-kettle-black.jpg
Michael
Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 2:32:53 PM2/10/12
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Oh, I didn't realize Seattle is a tropical paradise.
Honestly, some of you really must work *hard* to miss points that well.
Idiot.
Jim
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Honestly, some of you really must work *hard* to miss points that well.
Idiot.
Jim
Puppytoes
Feb 10, 2012, 2:35:26 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 9 2012 8:58 PM, Iceman wrote:
> "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
> news:Y41Zq.12425$9j5....@newsfe09.iad...
> > On 2/9/2012 8:27 PM, Iceman wrote
> >
> >> Blacks couldn't even become Mormon priests until 1978.
> >
> > Didn't seem to bother Mitt.
>
>
> "The LDS church has neither formally apologized for the priesthood ban nor
> publicly repudiated many of the theories used to justify it for more than
> 125 years."
>
> "In a 2007 Meet the Press interview, Tim Russert noted that Romney was 31
> when the priesthood ban was lifted in 1978. "Didn't you think, 'What am I
> doing part of an organization that is viewed by many as a racist
> organization?'" Russert asked.
> "I'm very proud of my faith, and it's the faith of my fathers," Romney
> answered. "And I'm not going to distance myself from my faith in any way."
> my life and my most core beliefs that all people are children of God,"
> Romney said.
> Pressed by Russert, Romney refused to say his church was wrong to restrict
> blacks from full participation."
>
>
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-01/mormon-romney-black/52920394/1
If you want to talk about a candidate that was part of a racist church
doesn't the candidate that became our President come to mind? Sat in
those pews for 20+ years listening to a lunatic, racist pastor who he
claimed was his moral compass. No big deal there, I guess. Under the
carpet with everything else.
Puppytoes
_____________________________________________________________________
> "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
> news:Y41Zq.12425$9j5....@newsfe09.iad...
> > On 2/9/2012 8:27 PM, Iceman wrote
> >
> >> Blacks couldn't even become Mormon priests until 1978.
> >
> > Didn't seem to bother Mitt.
>
>
> "The LDS church has neither formally apologized for the priesthood ban nor
> publicly repudiated many of the theories used to justify it for more than
> 125 years."
>
> "In a 2007 Meet the Press interview, Tim Russert noted that Romney was 31
> when the priesthood ban was lifted in 1978. "Didn't you think, 'What am I
> doing part of an organization that is viewed by many as a racist
> organization?'" Russert asked.
> "I'm very proud of my faith, and it's the faith of my fathers," Romney
> answered. "And I'm not going to distance myself from my faith in any way."
> But Romney also said that he had been "anxious to see a change in my church"
> and recalled weeping when he heard that the ban had been lifted.
> "Even at this day it's emotional, and so it's very deep and fundamental in
> and recalled weeping when he heard that the ban had been lifted.
> my life and my most core beliefs that all people are children of God,"
> Romney said.
> Pressed by Russert, Romney refused to say his church was wrong to restrict
> blacks from full participation."
>
>
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-01/mormon-romney-black/52920394/1
If you want to talk about a candidate that was part of a racist church
doesn't the candidate that became our President come to mind? Sat in
those pews for 20+ years listening to a lunatic, racist pastor who he
claimed was his moral compass. No big deal there, I guess. Under the
carpet with everything else.
Puppytoes
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phlash74
Feb 10, 2012, 2:38:44 PM2/10/12
to
On Feb 10 2012 11:32 AM, Clave wrote:
>
> Honestly, some of you really must work *hard* to miss points that well.
>
We don't all have your natural talent for it.
>
> Honestly, some of you really must work *hard* to miss points that well.
>
Michael
-----------------
"> phlash
On your circle jerk k00l kidz email list. Should be disqualified for
that, but I'll give him a pass because he is smart." - ramashiva,
8/22/2010
"Hitler has already been forgiven, but you have not." - Reptillian AKA
Igotskillz, 4/6/2011
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Puppytoes
Feb 10, 2012, 2:38:26 PM2/10/12
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> news:dZ_Yq.12646$JN6....@newsfe13.iad...
disproportionate number of blacks?
Puppytoes
--------
> > On 2/9/2012 5:51 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
> >> Just cant see anyway he could win.
> >
> > It's a religion with racist undertones, and that's being generous. How
> > many black Mormons are there in the US?
> >
> >
> >> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
> >> Just cant see anyway he could win.
> >
> > It's a religion with racist undertones, and that's being generous. How
> > many black Mormons are there in the US?
> >
> How many black hockey players are there in the NHL? Now there is a sport
> with racist undertones, and that's being generous.
>
> Robert Ladd
Does that reasoning mean the NBA is racist since they have a
> with racist undertones, and that's being generous.
>
> Robert Ladd
disproportionate number of blacks?
Puppytoes
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Clave
Feb 10, 2012, 2:48:25 PM2/10/12
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I guess I can't compete with wit like that.
Jim
news:4b8g09x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
> On Feb 10 2012 11:32 AM, Clave wrote:
>
>>
>> Honestly, some of you really must work *hard* to miss points that well.
>>
>
> We don't all have your natural talent for it.
Pretty quick on the draw with the IKYABWAI, Pee-Wee.
>
>>
>> Honestly, some of you really must work *hard* to miss points that well.
>>
>
> We don't all have your natural talent for it.
I guess I can't compete with wit like that.
Jim
mo_ntresor
Feb 10, 2012, 3:10:02 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10 2012 12:38 PM, phlash74 wrote:
> > Honestly, some of you really must work *hard* to miss points that well.
>
> We don't all have your natural talent for it.
i've been getting up at 3:45am local, ssh'ing into work machines to start
> > Honestly, some of you really must work *hard* to miss points that well.
>
> We don't all have your natural talent for it.
my trading applications. i've pounded my algorithms through hundreds of
millions of iterations for times like this: they work flawlessly with no
supervision while i sun my white ass and drink mai tais. do you think
clave's ever gotten up before 4am to work? you being military and all,
i'd bet my ass you have.
mo_ntresor
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Alim Nassor
Feb 10, 2012, 3:20:17 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10, 2:10 pm, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:
He got all pissy once when I posted from the beach in Phuket.
Jealousy is an ugly thing. I wonder how he feels since I'm posting
from Italy?
wrote:
Jealousy is an ugly thing. I wonder how he feels since I'm posting
from Italy?
mo_ntresor
Feb 10, 2012, 3:41:27 PM2/10/12
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On Feb 10 2012 1:20 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > i've been getting up at 3:45am local, ssh'ing into work machines to start
> > my trading applications. i've pounded my algorithms through hundreds of
> > millions of iterations for times like this: they work flawlessly with no
> > supervision while i sun my white ass and drink mai tais. do you think
> > clave's ever gotten up before 4am to work? you being military and all,
> > i'd bet my ass you have.
>
> > i've been getting up at 3:45am local, ssh'ing into work machines to start
> > my trading applications. i've pounded my algorithms through hundreds of
> > millions of iterations for times like this: they work flawlessly with no
> > supervision while i sun my white ass and drink mai tais. do you think
> > clave's ever gotten up before 4am to work? you being military and all,
> > i'd bet my ass you have.
>
> He got all pissy once when I posted from the beach in Phuket.
> Jealousy is an ugly thing. I wonder how he feels since I'm posting
> from Italy?
maybe we should start a thread entitled "other places in the world" to
> Jealousy is an ugly thing. I wonder how he feels since I'm posting
> from Italy?
help relieve idiots like clave and billb of their obvious ignorance?
mo_ntresor
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johnny_t
Feb 11, 2012, 1:09:20 AM2/11/12
to
On 2/10/12 4:25 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> The Chinese bought 490 tons of gold in 2011, doubling the 245 tons of
> gold they bought in 2010. Many other nations are also buying record
> amounts of gold. Mexico bought 100 tons in the first quarter of
> 2011alone.
And none of this says massive gold bubble to you? What good does it do
> The Chinese bought 490 tons of gold in 2011, doubling the 245 tons of
> gold they bought in 2010. Many other nations are also buying record
> amounts of gold. Mexico bought 100 tons in the first quarter of
> 2011alone.
a government to have this huge pile of gold? It doesn't create wealth,
it doesn't even generate interest. It isn't turned back into money,
unless it's sold...
Lets do some basic capitalism. What happens when everyone is a buyer of
a limited product?
Guess what happens when governments like this becomes sellers? Which
they have to do, unless they just like getting all Scrooge McDuck and
like swimming in it.
popinjay999
Feb 11, 2012, 1:25:33 AM2/11/12
to
On Feb 10, 10:09 pm, johnny_t <nobod...@home.com> wrote:
>
> And none of this says massive gold bubble to you?
Why should it?
>
> And none of this says massive gold bubble to you?
The value of gold isn't up. It's the value of the dollar that is
down. And it's going to keep going down, as they print more and more
of it because of this massive debt.
What are you so confused about?
johnny_t
Feb 11, 2012, 11:28:54 AM2/11/12
to
the fact that you believe it to be true, I was almost certain about too.
Not a bit of confusion.
Iceman
Feb 11, 2012, 12:13:51 PM2/11/12
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"johnny_t" <nobo...@home.com> wrote in message
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> On 2/10/12 4:25 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:
>
>> The Chinese bought 490 tons of gold in 2011, doubling the 245 tons of
>> gold they bought in 2010. Many other nations are also buying record
>> amounts of gold. Mexico bought 100 tons in the first quarter of
>> 2011alone.
>
> And none of this says massive gold bubble to you? What good does it do a
> government to have this huge pile of gold? It doesn't create wealth, it
> doesn't even generate interest. It isn't turned back into money, unless
> it's sold...
All of the gold in the world would form a cube with 70-foot sides. That
>
>> The Chinese bought 490 tons of gold in 2011, doubling the 245 tons of
>> gold they bought in 2010. Many other nations are also buying record
>> amounts of gold. Mexico bought 100 tons in the first quarter of
>> 2011alone.
>
> And none of this says massive gold bubble to you? What good does it do a
> government to have this huge pile of gold? It doesn't create wealth, it
> doesn't even generate interest. It isn't turned back into money, unless
> it's sold...
would fit in a baseball infield. At current prices, that much gold would
buy all of the agricultural land in the United States. Now, which would you
rather have, all of the agricultural land in the US or that cube?
Now do you think gold prices are sustainable?
popinjay999
Feb 11, 2012, 1:02:03 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 8:28 am, johnny_t <nobod...@home.com> wrote:
>
> Not confused about anything. It is all almost certainly not true. And
> the fact that you believe it to be true, I was almost certain about too.
>
> Not a bit of confusion.
What am I supposed to say? Should I argue with you that you are
>
> Not confused about anything. It is all almost certainly not true. And
> the fact that you believe it to be true, I was almost certain about too.
>
> Not a bit of confusion.
confused? Obviously a confused person does not realize that he is
confused. Otherwise he wouldn't be confused.
Tad Perry
Feb 11, 2012, 3:32:18 PM2/11/12
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Imagine a future where we buy and sell gold by the atom.
Or where the value of all the gold is defined as being able to buy the
entirety of everything else.
tvp
news:jh67kh$coi$1...@dont-email.me...
Or where the value of all the gold is defined as being able to buy the
entirety of everything else.
tvp
popinjay999
Feb 11, 2012, 4:02:23 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 12:32 pm, "Tad Perry" <tadpe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Imagine a future where we buy and sell gold by the atom.
> Or where the value of all the gold is defined as being able to buy the
> entirety of everything else.
>
How could this be, Tad, unless we were sure we had mined every single
>
> Imagine a future where we buy and sell gold by the atom.
> Or where the value of all the gold is defined as being able to buy the
> entirety of everything else.
>
atom of it from the Earth? And still, what about future discovery of
the element on other planets or moons? If there is a lot of it on
Mars, once we get there, the price of gold could plummet.
Iceman
Feb 11, 2012, 4:40:17 PM2/11/12
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Iceman
Feb 11, 2012, 4:41:55 PM2/11/12
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http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/12/the_gold_standa.html
mo_ntresor
Feb 11, 2012, 5:05:23 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 11 2012 10:13 AM, Iceman wrote:
> > And none of this says massive gold bubble to you? What good does it do a
> > government to have this huge pile of gold? It doesn't create wealth, it
> > doesn't even generate interest. It isn't turned back into money, unless
> > it's sold...
>
> All of the gold in the world would form a cube with 70-foot sides. That
> would fit in a baseball infield. At current prices, that much gold would
> buy all of the agricultural land in the United States. Now, which would you
> rather have, all of the agricultural land in the US or that cube?
>
> Now do you think gold prices are sustainable?
depends on what that cube was worth in terms of ag land historically, but
> > And none of this says massive gold bubble to you? What good does it do a
> > government to have this huge pile of gold? It doesn't create wealth, it
> > doesn't even generate interest. It isn't turned back into money, unless
> > it's sold...
>
> All of the gold in the world would form a cube with 70-foot sides. That
> would fit in a baseball infield. At current prices, that much gold would
> buy all of the agricultural land in the United States. Now, which would you
> rather have, all of the agricultural land in the US or that cube?
>
> Now do you think gold prices are sustainable?
why talk to you about warren buffet's ideas? i know you're a lawyer
donk, but think for yourself for a change.
mo_ntresor
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popinjay999
Feb 11, 2012, 5:12:49 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 1:41 pm, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> There's a reason the world moved away from physical money:
>
> http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/12/the_gold_standa.html
Oh, excuse us gold standard advocates for dreaming of a day when the
>
> There's a reason the world moved away from physical money:
>
> http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2005/12/the_gold_standa.html
government might be bound by the chains of the Constitution. Silly us.
Iceman
Feb 11, 2012, 6:53:51 PM2/11/12
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In a bad market with no clear good options, gold is a refuge. But normally
it underperforms just about everything else in the long-run. How many other
investments had the same nominal price in 2005 as they did in 1980?
it underperforms just about everything else in the long-run. How many other
investments had the same nominal price in 2005 as they did in 1980?
popinjay999
Feb 11, 2012, 9:30:20 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 3:53 pm, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> In a bad market with no clear good options, gold is a refuge. But normally
> it underperforms just about everything else in the long-run. How many other
> investments had the same nominal price in 2005 as they did in 1980?
Iceman, what is your fucking problem? Is gold SUPPOSED to "perform"?
>
> In a bad market with no clear good options, gold is a refuge. But normally
> it underperforms just about everything else in the long-run. How many other
> investments had the same nominal price in 2005 as they did in 1980?
Is it SUPPOSED to gain value? Why should it?
By the way, how did it "perform" if you were in ZImbabwe?
I just don't get it. You, Johnny T, Beldin, I just don't understand
what your hang up is. There's a mental block. A disconnect.
Bea Foroni
Feb 11, 2012, 10:17:13 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 9, 11:51 pm, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Did you see the South Park episode about Mormons? LOL dum dum dum
> dum dum.-
This the basis for your judgement, a South Park episode?
The Book of Mormon is about 300 or so pages. It is not the easiest
read, but it can be read in under a week. Instead of the SP digested
version, more people should read it, especially those who are
critical.
LDS is THE American religion. Its roots are American, its prophets
are American, it was written in the American language.
The OT is the bible that introduced the world to mono-theisim. The NT
ends with rapture, but what about after that? The BOM is the book
about survival in a post-apocalyptic world. Stock up and get ready to
meet your ancestors.
When JFK ran, the conservatives worried that the POTUS would be
beholding to the Pope. Yet, recently the GOP has become undone over
something, because Mr Obama didn't consult with the Holy See. My, how
times have changed. Looking forward to future coming Crusades. Think
history will remeber our time as the Shock And Awe Crusades?
My personal opinion: Whenever I hear a politician invoke the Name of
God, I wonder if he is deluded or he thinks we are all a bunch of
suckers. When do we get an agnostic president?
>
> Did you see the South Park episode about Mormons? LOL dum dum dum
> dum dum.-
This the basis for your judgement, a South Park episode?
The Book of Mormon is about 300 or so pages. It is not the easiest
read, but it can be read in under a week. Instead of the SP digested
version, more people should read it, especially those who are
critical.
LDS is THE American religion. Its roots are American, its prophets
are American, it was written in the American language.
The OT is the bible that introduced the world to mono-theisim. The NT
ends with rapture, but what about after that? The BOM is the book
about survival in a post-apocalyptic world. Stock up and get ready to
meet your ancestors.
When JFK ran, the conservatives worried that the POTUS would be
beholding to the Pope. Yet, recently the GOP has become undone over
something, because Mr Obama didn't consult with the Holy See. My, how
times have changed. Looking forward to future coming Crusades. Think
history will remeber our time as the Shock And Awe Crusades?
My personal opinion: Whenever I hear a politician invoke the Name of
God, I wonder if he is deluded or he thinks we are all a bunch of
suckers. When do we get an agnostic president?
Iceman
Feb 11, 2012, 11:01:38 PM2/11/12
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> By the way, how did it "perform" if you were in ZImbabwe?
The other 199 countries in the world are not Zimbabwe.
On Feb 11, 3:53 pm, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> In a bad market with no clear good options, gold is a refuge. But
>> normally
>> it underperforms just about everything else in the long-run. How many
>> other
>> investments had the same nominal price in 2005 as they did in 1980?
>
> Iceman, what is your fucking problem? Is gold SUPPOSED to "perform"?
> Is it SUPPOSED to gain value? Why should it?
Because investments are supposed to gain value, not just sit there.
>>
>> In a bad market with no clear good options, gold is a refuge. But
>> normally
>> it underperforms just about everything else in the long-run. How many
>> other
>> investments had the same nominal price in 2005 as they did in 1980?
>
> Iceman, what is your fucking problem? Is gold SUPPOSED to "perform"?
> Is it SUPPOSED to gain value? Why should it?
> By the way, how did it "perform" if you were in ZImbabwe?
Beldin the Sorcerer
Feb 11, 2012, 11:06:49 PM2/11/12
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Yes, you obviously have one.
Gold is a lump of metal that sits there. Doesn't produce anything, doesn't
generally do anything useful.
Within a century, it may be worthless
popinjay999
Feb 11, 2012, 11:35:31 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 8:01 pm, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Because investments are supposed to gain value, not just sit there.
>
> > By the way, how did it "perform" if you were in ZImbabwe?
>
> The other 199 countries in the world are not Zimbabwe.
Then it's not a fucking investment, is it? Why should gold gain in
>
> Because investments are supposed to gain value, not just sit there.
>
> > By the way, how did it "perform" if you were in ZImbabwe?
>
> The other 199 countries in the world are not Zimbabwe.
value? Unless it becomes more scarce, or the demand increases, then
why should its value change? By the way, it hasn't lost value either.
And wtf, are you saying that Zimbabwe is the only example of
hyperinflation in the world? I can't believe a guy as smart as you
are can be so hung up on this. I expect it from an idiot like
Beldin. By the way, isn't it humorous to see him post in this thread,
as if anyone is interested in his repeated "theories" or like anyone
is interested in conversing with a guy who calls everyone a shithead.
What a clown he is.
But JFC, Iceman, what is with you liberals and your pooh-poohing of
gold?
Beldin the Sorcerer
Feb 12, 2012, 12:09:06 AM2/12/12
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Peepee, do you enjoy eating regularly?
Peepee, do you enjoy eating regularly?
Beldin the Sorcerer
Feb 12, 2012, 12:42:00 AM2/12/12
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So why hold it?
Is growth beyond the mental capacity of Popinfresh?
And wtf, are you saying that Zimbabwe is the only example of
hyperinflation in the world? I can't believe a guy as smart as you
are can be so hung up on this. I expect it from an idiot like
Beldin. By the way, isn't it humorous to see him post in this thread,
as if anyone is interested in his repeated "theories" or like anyone
is interested in conversing with a guy who calls everyone a shithead.
What a clown he is.
***
Well, Peepee, I understand economics, more than somewhat.
You, by contrast, are a complete fucking idiot
Gold is a useless lump of metal.
As more people realize that, it becomes less and less valuable
On Feb 11, 8:01 pm, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Because investments are supposed to gain value, not just sit there.
>
> > By the way, how did it "perform" if you were in ZImbabwe?
>
> The other 199 countries in the world are not Zimbabwe.
Then it's not a fucking investment, is it? Why should gold gain in
value? Unless it becomes more scarce, or the demand increases, then
why should its value change? By the way, it hasn't lost value either.
***
>
> Because investments are supposed to gain value, not just sit there.
>
> > By the way, how did it "perform" if you were in ZImbabwe?
>
> The other 199 countries in the world are not Zimbabwe.
Then it's not a fucking investment, is it? Why should gold gain in
value? Unless it becomes more scarce, or the demand increases, then
why should its value change? By the way, it hasn't lost value either.
So why hold it?
Is growth beyond the mental capacity of Popinfresh?
And wtf, are you saying that Zimbabwe is the only example of
hyperinflation in the world? I can't believe a guy as smart as you
are can be so hung up on this. I expect it from an idiot like
Beldin. By the way, isn't it humorous to see him post in this thread,
as if anyone is interested in his repeated "theories" or like anyone
is interested in conversing with a guy who calls everyone a shithead.
What a clown he is.
Well, Peepee, I understand economics, more than somewhat.
You, by contrast, are a complete fucking idiot
Gold is a useless lump of metal.
As more people realize that, it becomes less and less valuable
johnny_t
Feb 12, 2012, 12:58:15 AM2/12/12
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On 2/11/12 1:02 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
>
> How could this be, Tad, unless we were sure we had mined every single
> atom of it from the Earth? And still, what about future discovery of
> the element on other planets or moons? If there is a lot of it on
> Mars, once we get there, the price of gold could plummet.
There is an asteroid out there that has more than all the gold that has
>
> How could this be, Tad, unless we were sure we had mined every single
> atom of it from the Earth? And still, what about future discovery of
> the element on other planets or moons? If there is a lot of it on
> Mars, once we get there, the price of gold could plummet.
been discovered to date. Should we get it?
johnny_t
Feb 12, 2012, 12:59:39 AM2/12/12
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On 2/11/12 10:02 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
>
> What am I supposed to say? Should I argue with you that you are
> confused? Obviously a confused person does not realize that he is
> confused. Otherwise he wouldn't be confused.
Right... What's a cubit?
>
> What am I supposed to say? Should I argue with you that you are
> confused? Obviously a confused person does not realize that he is
> confused. Otherwise he wouldn't be confused.
I know exactly what you mean, man. I have felt that way ever since I
have known you.
johnny_t
Feb 12, 2012, 1:11:44 AM2/12/12
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On 2/11/12 2:12 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
> Oh, excuse us gold standard advocates for dreaming of a day when the
> government might be bound by the chains of the Constitution. Silly us.
This is the reason? Not any sound economic reasons? Not any
> Oh, excuse us gold standard advocates for dreaming of a day when the
> government might be bound by the chains of the Constitution. Silly us.
civilization reasons? That our economy should somehow be bound to the
constraints of the amount of gold in existence or possession? That our
children should be borne of either the tyranny of deflation, or the
impossibility of economic growth? That the savers should be allowed to
constrain all economic possibility because they keep their hordes inside
the mattresses?
Please Mr Scrooge, let loose your shillings... Buy tiny Tim a turkey so
that his last days will be spent in the joy of your company.
How quaint.
Done that, been there, tired of the conquests for filthy lucre.
Silly you, indeed.
mo_ntresor
Feb 12, 2012, 3:35:16 AM2/12/12
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On Feb 11 2012 10:42 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> Then it's not a fucking investment, is it? Why should gold gain in
> value? Unless it becomes more scarce, or the demand increases, then
> why should its value change? By the way, it hasn't lost value either.
> ***
> So why hold it?
> Is growth beyond the mental capacity of Popinfresh?
it stores value.
> Then it's not a fucking investment, is it? Why should gold gain in
> value? Unless it becomes more scarce, or the demand increases, then
> why should its value change? By the way, it hasn't lost value either.
> ***
> So why hold it?
> Is growth beyond the mental capacity of Popinfresh?
> And wtf, are you saying that Zimbabwe is the only example of
> hyperinflation in the world? I can't believe a guy as smart as you
> are can be so hung up on this. I expect it from an idiot like
> Beldin. By the way, isn't it humorous to see him post in this thread,
> as if anyone is interested in his repeated "theories" or like anyone
> is interested in conversing with a guy who calls everyone a shithead.
> What a clown he is.
> ***
> Well, Peepee, I understand economics, more than somewhat.
>
> You, by contrast, are a complete fucking idiot
> Gold is a useless lump of metal.
> As more people realize that, it becomes less and less valuable
thousands of years of human history that say so you and iceman are
complete and total idiots.
mo_ntresor
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Beldin the Sorcerer
Feb 12, 2012, 3:56:27 AM2/12/12
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>
>> And wtf, are you saying that Zimbabwe is the only example of
>> hyperinflation in the world? I can't believe a guy as smart as you
>> are can be so hung up on this. I expect it from an idiot like
>> Beldin. By the way, isn't it humorous to see him post in this thread,
>> as if anyone is interested in his repeated "theories" or like anyone
>> is interested in conversing with a guy who calls everyone a shithead.
>> What a clown he is.
>> ***
>> Well, Peepee, I understand economics, more than somewhat.
>>
>> You, by contrast, are a complete fucking idiot
>> Gold is a useless lump of metal.
>> As more people realize that, it becomes less and less valuable
>
> are you still arguing gold will be worthless? LOL. we have many
> thousands of years of human history that say so you and iceman are
> complete and total idiots.
Mo, please don't be a moron.
Gold IS useless. It's also pretty and rare, which is why it fell into the
role of medium of exchange.
We have mediums of exchange now. We don't need a lump of metal to fill that
role any more
> On Feb 11 2012 10:42 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>
>> Then it's not a fucking investment, is it? Why should gold gain in
>> value? Unless it becomes more scarce, or the demand increases, then
>> why should its value change? By the way, it hasn't lost value either.
>> ***
>> So why hold it?
>> Is growth beyond the mental capacity of Popinfresh?
>
> it stores value.
So a zero percent return on investment is a nice goal?
>
>> Then it's not a fucking investment, is it? Why should gold gain in
>> value? Unless it becomes more scarce, or the demand increases, then
>> why should its value change? By the way, it hasn't lost value either.
>> ***
>> So why hold it?
>> Is growth beyond the mental capacity of Popinfresh?
>
> it stores value.
>
>> And wtf, are you saying that Zimbabwe is the only example of
>> hyperinflation in the world? I can't believe a guy as smart as you
>> are can be so hung up on this. I expect it from an idiot like
>> Beldin. By the way, isn't it humorous to see him post in this thread,
>> as if anyone is interested in his repeated "theories" or like anyone
>> is interested in conversing with a guy who calls everyone a shithead.
>> What a clown he is.
>> ***
>> Well, Peepee, I understand economics, more than somewhat.
>>
>> You, by contrast, are a complete fucking idiot
>> Gold is a useless lump of metal.
>> As more people realize that, it becomes less and less valuable
>
> are you still arguing gold will be worthless? LOL. we have many
> thousands of years of human history that say so you and iceman are
> complete and total idiots.
Gold IS useless. It's also pretty and rare, which is why it fell into the
role of medium of exchange.
We have mediums of exchange now. We don't need a lump of metal to fill that
role any more
Wilhelm Kuhlmann
Feb 12, 2012, 6:21:01 AM2/12/12
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On Feb 12, 12:35 am, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:
What we have here is still another example of Maggot the Faggot
thinking he knows more about a given subject than the world's leading
experts on that subject. In this case, the subject is money and gold,
and the world's leading experts are the world's central bankers.
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why the central banks of the USA and
Germany keep more than 70% of their total foreign exchange reserves as
gold --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why central bank gold buying is at a
forty-year high --
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c0025500-10ef-11e1-a95c-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1mABNxQPt
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why China imported three times as
much gold in 2011 as in 2010 --
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d26cd2d6-518d-11e1-a99d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1mABNxQPt
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why China imports so much gold, even
though the country has been the world's largest gold producer since
2008.
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why the dollar price of gold has
increased every year for the last 11 years.
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why he thinks he understands
economics "more than somewhat", when every post he makes about
economics makes it crystal clear that he understands absolutely
nothing about economics.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
wrote:
thinking he knows more about a given subject than the world's leading
experts on that subject. In this case, the subject is money and gold,
and the world's leading experts are the world's central bankers.
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why the central banks of the USA and
Germany keep more than 70% of their total foreign exchange reserves as
gold --
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_reserve
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why central bank gold buying is at a
forty-year high --
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c0025500-10ef-11e1-a95c-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1mABNxQPt
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why China imported three times as
much gold in 2011 as in 2010 --
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d26cd2d6-518d-11e1-a99d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1mABNxQPt
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why China imports so much gold, even
though the country has been the world's largest gold producer since
2008.
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why the dollar price of gold has
increased every year for the last 11 years.
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why he thinks he understands
economics "more than somewhat", when every post he makes about
economics makes it crystal clear that he understands absolutely
nothing about economics.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Beldin the Sorcerer
Feb 12, 2012, 6:46:02 AM2/12/12
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"Wilhelm Kuhlmann" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 12, 12:35 am, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Feb 11 2012 10:42 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> > Well, Peepee, I understand economics, more than somewhat.
> > You, by contrast, are a complete fucking idiot
> > Gold is a useless lump of metal.
> > As more people realize that, it becomes less and less valuable
> are you still arguing gold will be worthless? LOL. we have many
> thousands of years of human history that say so you and iceman are
> complete and total idiots.
What we have here is still another example of Maggot the Faggot
thinking he knows more about a given subject than the world's leading
experts on that subject. In this case, the subject is money and gold,
and the world's leading experts are the world's central bankers.
***
wrote:
> On Feb 11 2012 10:42 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> > Well, Peepee, I understand economics, more than somewhat.
> > You, by contrast, are a complete fucking idiot
> > Gold is a useless lump of metal.
> > As more people realize that, it becomes less and less valuable
> are you still arguing gold will be worthless? LOL. we have many
> thousands of years of human history that say so you and iceman are
> complete and total idiots.
What we have here is still another example of Maggot the Faggot
thinking he knows more about a given subject than the world's leading
experts on that subject. In this case, the subject is money and gold,
and the world's leading experts are the world's central bankers.
You're a fucking idiot
The subject, you pathetic shithead, is the REASON gold was adopted as a
medium of exchange and whether that reason will continue.
How long will you keep shoving your head up your ass?
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why the central banks of the USA and
Germany keep more than 70% of their total foreign exchange reserves as
gold --
Entropy, shithead
Morons like you are perception.
Sometimes perception has to be catered to.
Morons like you believe SSI isn't a ponzi scheme too
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why the dollar price of gold has
increased every year for the last 11 years.
Coleman the Cocksucker, because people often behave irrationally and bid
prices up.
Tulip prices being a wonderful example, once
You should ask Maggot the Faggot why he thinks he understands
economics "more than somewhat", when every post he makes about
economics makes it crystal clear that he understands absolutely
nothing about economics.
Um, a batshit insane idiot like yourself is in no position to judge a thing.
A little bitch like you doesn't understand a goddamn thing about mediums of
exchange evolving
popinjay999
Feb 12, 2012, 9:28:23 AM2/12/12
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On Feb 11, 10:11 pm, johnny_t <nobod...@home.com> wrote:
>
> This is the reason? Not any sound economic reasons? Not any
> civilization reasons? That our economy should somehow be bound to the
> constraints of the amount of gold in existence or possession? That our
> children should be borne of either the tyranny of deflation, or the
> impossibility of economic growth? That the savers should be allowed to
> constrain all economic possibility because they keep their hordes inside
> the mattresses?
>
> Please Mr Scrooge, let loose your shillings... Buy tiny Tim a turkey so
> that his last days will be spent in the joy of your company.
>
> How quaint.
>
> Done that, been there, tired of the conquests for filthy lucre.
>
> Silly you, indeed.
Oh yeah? Silly me indeed? I'll tellya what, numbnuts. Me and you
>
> This is the reason? Not any sound economic reasons? Not any
> civilization reasons? That our economy should somehow be bound to the
> constraints of the amount of gold in existence or possession? That our
> children should be borne of either the tyranny of deflation, or the
> impossibility of economic growth? That the savers should be allowed to
> constrain all economic possibility because they keep their hordes inside
> the mattresses?
>
> Please Mr Scrooge, let loose your shillings... Buy tiny Tim a turkey so
> that his last days will be spent in the joy of your company.
>
> How quaint.
>
> Done that, been there, tired of the conquests for filthy lucre.
>
> Silly you, indeed.
have a contest on RGP, and see how many people think you are a fucking
freak and how many think I am a fucking freak, and whoever is the
freakiest fuck, loses.
Beldin the Sorcerer
Feb 12, 2012, 9:37:59 AM2/12/12
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Peeepee, you're the freakiest freak ever
Be proud
Peeepee, you're the freakiest freak ever
Be proud
FL Turbo
Feb 12, 2012, 11:52:11 AM2/12/12
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On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:34:21 -0800, johnny_t <nobo...@home.com>
wrote:
>On 2/9/12 5:51 PM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
>> Does anyone except a mormon really want a Mormon as pres?
>> Just cant see anyway he could win.
>
>Really?
>
>How could a non-catholic vote for JFK?
>
>What an asinine remark.
I think Arlo is already preparing his rationale for voting for 0 in
2012.
---------------------------------------------------------
If you voted for Obama in '08 to prove you aren't a racist,
you have to vote for the Repo in '12 to prove you aren't stupid.
FL Turbo
Feb 12, 2012, 12:36:53 PM2/12/12
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a political speech.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if most recent presidents were indeed
agnostic.
Not that they would ever admit it, though.
It would be a political death sentence.
Obama is a little different, though.
His particular god is Socialism.
If you look at what he does instead of what he says, you can see that
the "change" he had in mind is to turn this country towards
European-style Socialism.
Not the Communist model, mind you, but the kindler, gentler form of
socialism practiced in Europe.
Ironically, the Europeans are now finding out where that is leading
them (They have almost run out of "other people's money")
Obama is still Hell-bent on repeating their mistakes.
mo_ntresor
Feb 12, 2012, 12:55:01 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 12 2012 1:56 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> > it stores value.
>
> So a zero percent return on investment is a nice goal?
>
> > it stores value.
>
> So a zero percent return on investment is a nice goal?
>
> > are you still arguing gold will be worthless? LOL. we have many
> > thousands of years of human history that say so you and iceman are
> > complete and total idiots.
>
> Mo, please don't be a moron.
>
> Gold IS useless. It's also pretty and rare, which is why it fell into the
> role of medium of exchange.
>
> We have mediums of exchange now. We don't need a lump of metal to fill that
> role any more
gold became an exchange medium because it's rare, durable, and portable.
> > thousands of years of human history that say so you and iceman are
> > complete and total idiots.
>
> Mo, please don't be a moron.
>
> Gold IS useless. It's also pretty and rare, which is why it fell into the
> role of medium of exchange.
>
> We have mediums of exchange now. We don't need a lump of metal to fill that
> role any more
gold will remain a medium of exchange because it's rare, durable, and
portable. try carrying 50 pounds of wheat to the "market" and trading it
for a leg of beef then carrying that home.
money's only good when the government manages it's finances, and our's
doesn't. amazing given the spending imbalances and economic implosions
going on in europe. when the buck goes, you want guns, ammo, water, gold,
and silver. the rest can be taken or has to be defended.
mo_ntresor
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Wilhelm Kuhlmann
Feb 12, 2012, 1:12:25 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 12, 9:55 am, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> money's only good when the government manages it's finances, and our's
> doesn't. amazing given the spending imbalances and economic implosions
> going on in europe. when the buck goes, you want guns, ammo, water, gold,
> and silver. the rest can be taken or has to be defended.
Maggot the Faggot is so fucking stupid that he thinks that gold and
silver won't be accepted as money if the dollar fails and there is a
general societal breakdown.
OMFG! LMFAO! How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that???
If the dollar fails and there is a general societal breakdown, there
will still be a need for a medium of exchange. That need will
obviously be filled by gold and silver, which have been real money for
5000 years.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
wrote:
> money's only good when the government manages it's finances, and our's
> doesn't. amazing given the spending imbalances and economic implosions
> going on in europe. when the buck goes, you want guns, ammo, water, gold,
> and silver. the rest can be taken or has to be defended.
silver won't be accepted as money if the dollar fails and there is a
general societal breakdown.
OMFG! LMFAO! How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that???
If the dollar fails and there is a general societal breakdown, there
will still be a need for a medium of exchange. That need will
obviously be filled by gold and silver, which have been real money for
5000 years.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Bea Foroni
Feb 12, 2012, 3:08:53 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 12, 10:12 am, Wilhelm Kuhlmann <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OMFG! LMFAO! How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that???
> If the dollar fails and there is a general societal breakdown, there
> will still be a need for a medium of exchange. That need will
> obviously be filled by gold and silver, which have been real money for
> 5000 years.
>
And tulips, don't forget tulips.
>
> OMFG! LMFAO! How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that???
> If the dollar fails and there is a general societal breakdown, there
> will still be a need for a medium of exchange. That need will
> obviously be filled by gold and silver, which have been real money for
> 5000 years.
>
And Aztecs, don't forget Aztecs and all their gold. They instead used
cacao beans and quachtli, a type of cloth, as currency.
http://www.aztec-history.net/aztec_economy
I guess they valued farmers and manufacturers more than they did
miners. Their civilization lasted about 800 years or so.
One effect of using a gold standard is that the supply of money can
not outgrow the supply of gold. So even if there are great
technological advancements, no more money can be produced. Instead,
when there is economic advancement there is deflation. The value of
gold rises, the holders of gold see an increase in wealth, even though
they did not participate in the technology. More wealth for the
wealthy.
Wilhelm Kuhlmann
Feb 12, 2012, 3:22:50 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 12, 12:08 pm, Bea Foroni <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 10:12 am, Wilhelm Kuhlmann <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > OMFG! LMFAO! How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that???
> > If the dollar fails and there is a general societal breakdown, there
> > will still be a need for a medium of exchange. That need will
> > obviously be filled by gold and silver, which have been real money for
> > 5000 years.
> And tulips, don't forget tulips.
Tulips weren't real money for 5000 years. In fact, tulip bulbs were
> On Feb 12, 10:12 am, Wilhelm Kuhlmann <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > OMFG! LMFAO! How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that???
> > If the dollar fails and there is a general societal breakdown, there
> > will still be a need for a medium of exchange. That need will
> > obviously be filled by gold and silver, which have been real money for
> > 5000 years.
> And tulips, don't forget tulips.
never real money. You can't compare a brief speculative frenzy to
5000 years of history.
> And Aztecs, don't forget Aztecs and all their gold. They instead used
> I guess they valued farmers and manufacturers more than they did
> miners. Their civilization lasted about 800 years or so.
> One effect of using a gold standard is that the supply of money can
> not outgrow the supply of gold. So even if there are great
> technological advancements, no more money can be produced. Instead,
> when there is economic advancement there is deflation. The value of
> gold rises, the holders of gold see an increase in wealth, even though
> they did not participate in the technology. More wealth for the
> wealthy.
Yawn. Another howling satanic demon who hates gold. What a
> miners. Their civilization lasted about 800 years or so.
> One effect of using a gold standard is that the supply of money can
> not outgrow the supply of gold. So even if there are great
> technological advancements, no more money can be produced. Instead,
> when there is economic advancement there is deflation. The value of
> gold rises, the holders of gold see an increase in wealth, even though
> they did not participate in the technology. More wealth for the
> wealthy.
surprise. As I have explained before, there is an occult
correspondence between metals and the "planets" of the ancients --
Gold = Sun
Silver = Moon
Copper = Venus
Iron = Mars
etc.
As I have also explained before --
Sun = RA = Father = Sun God
Moon = MA = Mother = Moon Goddess
Amazing how most people who believe in God also accept as a given that
gold and silver are real money, while howling satanic demons like you
and Maggot the Faggot react to gold and silver the same way vampires
react to sunlight and holy water.
Anything which symbolizes God, such as gold and silver, is anathema to
the minions of Satan.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Bea Foroni
Feb 12, 2012, 5:08:41 PM2/12/12
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Revelation 3:18-19 'I counsel thee to buy of Me gold tried in the fire
that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be
clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint
thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I
rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent'.
Wilhelm Kuhlmann
Feb 12, 2012, 5:48:52 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 12, 2:08 pm, Bea Foroni <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote:
> Oh. What can be said?
> Revelation 3:18-19 'I counsel thee to buy of Me gold tried in the fire
> that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be
> clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint
> thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I
> rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent'.
Did you know there are 427 references to gold in the Bible and 285
> Oh. What can be said?
> Revelation 3:18-19 'I counsel thee to buy of Me gold tried in the fire
> that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be
> clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint
> thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I
> rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent'.
references to silver?
The last reference to gold is Revelation 21:21 --
"And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass."
As Bob Dylan said --
"Well, I don’t know, but I’ve been told
The streets in heaven are lined with gold"
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Bea Foroni
Feb 12, 2012, 6:27:37 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 12, 2:48 pm, Wilhelm Kuhlmann <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:
.
>
> Did you know there are 427 references to gold in the Bible and 285
> references to silver?
>
And not all in a good way, huh? Like the one I just quoted.
.
>
> Did you know there are 427 references to gold in the Bible and 285
> references to silver?
>
The Bible was written so simple people could understand it. It uses
about 12,000 different words, whereas a college graduate could be
expected to have a vocabulary of about 10 times as many.
The Bible was written for simple people, people who didn't understand
the concept of stocks and bonds, of compounding interest, mutual funds
and international monetary market capitalization. Instead the Bible
uses words like gold and silver.
If you're basing your investments on Biblical readings then we have
nothing more to say; economics can not be argued with a true believer.
Beldin the Sorcerer
Feb 13, 2012, 10:05:56 AM2/13/12
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If it were useful, it would have been used, instead
> gold will remain a medium of exchange because it's rare, durable, and
> portable. try carrying 50 pounds of wheat to the "market" and trading it
> for a leg of beef then carrying that home.
why, when you can click a mouse and transfer ownership.
We've evolved past the need for physical money
>
> money's only good when the government manages it's finances, and our's
> doesn't. amazing given the spending imbalances and economic implosions
> going on in europe. when the buck goes, you want guns, ammo, water, gold,
> and silver. the rest can be taken or has to be defended.
Gold and silver won't be worth a goddamn thing if the great chaos comes.
There won't be anywhere near enough food for anyone to give a flying fucl
about a metal that you can't do anything useful with. Gold became a medium
of exchange because of excess production. Without that, there's no damn
value to store
> On Feb 12 2012 1:56 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>
>> > it stores value.
>>
>> So a zero percent return on investment is a nice goal?
>>
>> > are you still arguing gold will be worthless? LOL. we have many
>> > thousands of years of human history that say so you and iceman are
>> > complete and total idiots.
>>
>> Mo, please don't be a moron.
>>
>> Gold IS useless. It's also pretty and rare, which is why it fell into the
>> role of medium of exchange.
>>
>> We have mediums of exchange now. We don't need a lump of metal to fill
>> that
>> role any more
>
> gold became an exchange medium because it's rare, durable, and portable.
And useless.
>
>> > it stores value.
>>
>> So a zero percent return on investment is a nice goal?
>>
>> > are you still arguing gold will be worthless? LOL. we have many
>> > thousands of years of human history that say so you and iceman are
>> > complete and total idiots.
>>
>> Mo, please don't be a moron.
>>
>> Gold IS useless. It's also pretty and rare, which is why it fell into the
>> role of medium of exchange.
>>
>> We have mediums of exchange now. We don't need a lump of metal to fill
>> that
>> role any more
>
> gold became an exchange medium because it's rare, durable, and portable.
If it were useful, it would have been used, instead
> gold will remain a medium of exchange because it's rare, durable, and
> portable. try carrying 50 pounds of wheat to the "market" and trading it
> for a leg of beef then carrying that home.
We've evolved past the need for physical money
>
> money's only good when the government manages it's finances, and our's
> doesn't. amazing given the spending imbalances and economic implosions
> going on in europe. when the buck goes, you want guns, ammo, water, gold,
> and silver. the rest can be taken or has to be defended.
There won't be anywhere near enough food for anyone to give a flying fucl
about a metal that you can't do anything useful with. Gold became a medium
of exchange because of excess production. Without that, there's no damn
value to store
Beldin the Sorcerer
Feb 13, 2012, 10:12:03 AM2/13/12
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Coleman the Cocksucker is so fucking moronic he thinks people without enough
food will trade some for a lump of metal they can't do anything with.
Mother of god, get this shithead into a fucking home already
OMFG! LMFAO! How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that???
If the dollar fails and there is a general societal breakdown, there
will still be a need for a medium of exchange. That need will
obviously be filled by gold and silver, which have been real money for
5000 years.
***
Coleman the Cocksucker is a true shithead. There is ONLY a need for a medium
of exchange when there is excess production.
Come the chaos, there will be far less than sufficient production
On Feb 12, 9:55 am, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> money's only good when the government manages it's finances, and our's
> doesn't. amazing given the spending imbalances and economic implosions
> going on in europe. when the buck goes, you want guns, ammo, water, gold,
> and silver. the rest can be taken or has to be defended.
Maggot the Faggot is so fucking stupid that he thinks that gold and
silver won't be accepted as money if the dollar fails and there is a
general societal breakdown.
***
wrote:
> money's only good when the government manages it's finances, and our's
> doesn't. amazing given the spending imbalances and economic implosions
> going on in europe. when the buck goes, you want guns, ammo, water, gold,
> and silver. the rest can be taken or has to be defended.
Maggot the Faggot is so fucking stupid that he thinks that gold and
silver won't be accepted as money if the dollar fails and there is a
general societal breakdown.
Coleman the Cocksucker is so fucking moronic he thinks people without enough
food will trade some for a lump of metal they can't do anything with.
Mother of god, get this shithead into a fucking home already
OMFG! LMFAO! How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that???
If the dollar fails and there is a general societal breakdown, there
will still be a need for a medium of exchange. That need will
obviously be filled by gold and silver, which have been real money for
5000 years.
Coleman the Cocksucker is a true shithead. There is ONLY a need for a medium
of exchange when there is excess production.
Come the chaos, there will be far less than sufficient production
Beldin the Sorcerer
Feb 13, 2012, 10:13:11 AM2/13/12
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Willie, have you been molested by a priest again or something? You're
ranting like a retard
Willie, have you been molested by a priest again or something? You're
ranting like a retard
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