Barry Greenstein Defends Russ Hamilton
La Cosa Nostradamus
http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/barry-greenstein-defends-russ-hamilton-in-ultimate-bet-super-user-scandal-2-180/
This article is pretty interesting
The Russ Hamilton saga has been sweeping the online poker world in the
last week. Ever since January, Ultimate Bet has come under fire for the
actions of one of its founding fathers, leading many to wonder whether he
is the man who is directly responsible for cheating in the top-level games
that UB offers. Recently, on a major poker radio show, Barry Greenstein, a
PokerStars pro and the owner of three World Series of Poker bracelets,
defended Hamilton after paying the former UB owner a visit in Las Vegas.
Greenstein met with Hamilton along with his son, Joe Sebok, who is also a
heralded poker pro.
Greenstein noted that an investigation at UB is ongoing and is expected to
take an additional two to three months. At the end of this study, the
names of those who scammed players at one of the largest online poker
sites in the world will be released. Greenstein noted that one of the
names �will not be Russ Hamilton. He feels that he will be exonerated.�
Greenstein continued, saying �This is being investigated and there�s no
doubt in my mind that it will end up that Hamilton knew who the cheaters
were, but I don�t get the feeling that we�ll be saying that Russ Hamilton
is one of the cheaters.�
Greenstein�s comments come just after it was revealed that three of the
accounts that cheated millions of dollars away from UB players �
Sleepless. NoPaddles, and nvtease � were registered to a house located at
1725 Glenview Drive in Las Vegas. Its owner is none other than Hamilton,
who founded UltimateBet and sold the company to Tokwiro in 2006. In the
same year, he purchased the house in Las Vegas for a mere $300,000.
Greenstein noted, �I didn�t get the feeling that he was that knowledgeable
about what was going on as we hoped he would be.�
Instead of vehemently denying any wrong-doing, Hamilton was advised by his
lawyer not to answer several key questions that could shed light on who
was behind the scandal at UltimateBet. For example, a question directed at
the identity behind the �Sleepless� account led to Hamilton keeping quiet.
Greenstein commented, �It was listed as someone that Russ had to have
known because the address was the same [as his house in Las Vegas]. I
asked him if he knew who it was. He immediately asked his lawyer if he
could talk about it and his lawyer said no.�
Greenstein stated that, in due time, the identities of the guilty parties
would be made public. However, �Russ seemed like he knew a couple of the
guilty parties, but in the end, I don�t think it was him.� The method that
the conspirators used to gain an edge over their competition was
exploiting an auditing tool that was the vestige of one of the two
original companies that made up Ultimate Bet. When running the particular
piece of software, any account could see the hole cards of all other
players involved in a hand. There were six user accounts that changed
their names multiple times and are currently being investigated. Each
account experienced a higher-than-normal return on investment, which was
the impetus for user complaints back in January.
Money transfer histories posted on several of the major online poker
forums identified an account which was named �fred-. The �fred- account
transferred money to Freddie Deeb, Phil Hellmuth, and a number of the
accounts which have been tied to the scandal. This led to speculation that
Hellmuth and Deeb may be tied to the scandal as well, but Greenstein
disagrees, saying that the �fred- account simply served as an intermediary
for money transfers: �It was obvious when I saw the �fred- account. This
goes on all of the time when someone asks for a money transfer. I do that
too. This is a way for people to get money to play online. In the card
rooms, we also do that. The �fred- account was an account used to transfer
money to players. It was a virtual account. There�s nothing shady going on
when people transfer money online.�
Hamilton was invited to appear on the show, but was advised by his legal
counsel not to do so.
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brewmaster
> in case you missed it Helmuth WAS involved
Did you read the thread on 2+2 started by Witteles (DanDruff) that says he
called out Hellmuth on UB cheating while at the featured table (and thus
on ESPN) during the WSOP ME? Apparently Hellmuth was willing to discuss
it, but the TDs ORDERED them to stop talking about it, or get a penalty.
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> December 21,2012 playlist
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eleaticus
> Just 1 year ago...
>
http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/barry-greenstein-defends-russ-hamilton-in-ultimate-bet-super-user-scandal-2-180/
>
> This article is pretty interesting
>
Whoda thunk in advance that Barry was a shit-eating liar, idiot, or crook
as the case may be, if not two or all of them.
The fred account was used to transfer money to other accounts but the
people it was passed to are AOK because the account was just an
intermediary account?
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so adamant and enthusiastic about it?
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La Cosa Nostradamus
> On Jul 19 2009 10:22 AM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
>
> > Just 1 year ago...
> >
>
http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/barry-greenstein-defends-russ-hamilton-in-ultimate-bet-super-user-scandal-2-180/
> >
> > This article is pretty interesting
> >
>
> Whoda thunk in advance that Barry was a shit-eating liar, idiot, or crook
> as the case may be, if not two or all of them.
>
> The fred account was used to transfer money to other accounts but the
> people it was passed to are AOK because the account was just an
> intermediary account?
Yeah, i was like WTF when i read that. I had to read it a few times and
then put it all together in the appropriate timeframe.
>
> ===============
> You right-wingers have a constitutional right to be evil but must you be
> so adamant and enthusiastic about it?
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Tad Perry
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> On Jul 19 2009 7:49 AM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
>
>> in case you missed it Helmuth WAS involved
>
> Did you read the thread on 2+2 started by Witteles (DanDruff) that says he
> called out Hellmuth on UB cheating while at the featured table (and thus
> on ESPN) during the WSOP ME? Apparently Hellmuth was willing to discuss
> it, but the TDs ORDERED them to stop talking about it, or get a penalty.
And ESPN won't be reporting on the entire exchange and the TD's reaction as
newsworthy for what reason again?
tvp
brewmaster
Pointing out cheating is bad for online poker.
>
> tvp
La Cosa Nostradamus
> On Jul 19 2009 7:53 PM, Tad Perry wrote:
>
> > "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:b9sbj6x...@recgroups.com...
> > > On Jul 19 2009 7:49 AM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> > >
> > >> in case you missed it Helmuth WAS involved
> > >
> > > Did you read the thread on 2+2 started by Witteles (DanDruff) that says
he
> > > called out Hellmuth on UB cheating while at the featured table (and thus
> > > on ESPN) during the WSOP ME? Apparently Hellmuth was willing to discuss
> > > it, but the TDs ORDERED them to stop talking about it, or get a penalty.
> >
> > And ESPN won't be reporting on the entire exchange and the TD's reaction
as
> > newsworthy for what reason again?
>
> Pointing out cheating is bad for online poker.
online poker must love me
> >
> > tvp
>
>
> Brew
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