NAMBLA & PELOSI...the real facts
pokerchimp
in a right wing publication and you believe it to be true. Just some stuff
I found on the internet. In turns out Harry Hay was marching in the parade
in 2001 along with Pelosi. Harry Hay was a 90 year old man who was a
founder of the gay rights movement. Harry Hay was not a member of NAMBLA,
and there was no NAMBLA float in the parade. I believe gay pride
organizations in the major citries, including SF, have banned NAMBLA from
participating
There is no picture of a NAMBLA float anywhere near Pelosi. Supposedly
they were marching 2 spots away from each other.
Gay men are not pedophiles. They Gay community is anti NAMBLA for the most
part and they were banned fromthe parade in NYC in 1994.
Here is some information I found so you may be enlightened and stop
embarassing yourself.
One post
April 3rd, 2004 at 8:15 am
NAMBLA was only in the parade for one or two years, I think. There was a lot
of bitter arguing behind the scenes among the organizers of the parade about
whether to exclude them or not. Nobody was happy about them wanting to march
with us, nobody approved of their goals, but some thought that singling them
out to bar from the parade would be even worse. NAMBLA was advocating the
legalization of an activity that many people find loathsome and dangerous;
but so was the rest of the gay rights movement, and it would look
hypocritical to bar them, or so the argument went. Who were we to set
ourselves up as the judges of which community organizations were legitimate
and which were not? Let the community itself decide.
A less moral but more pragmatic argument for including them was that if you
want someone to hang himself, you first have to give him enough rope.
This proved to be the right move. NAMBLA marched, and you never saw such an
outpouring of hatred from the crowd. At every point along the route they
were booed, they were hissed, they had beer cans and rocks thrown at them,
threats and insults were shouted at them. Walking the length of the parade
must have been an excruciatingly long two hours for them.
They never asked to march again.
One writer:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=9798
the Fox guy last week was outraged and went off on Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the
Democratic minority leader from San Francisco, suggesting she was a moral
hypocrite -- and maybe even responsible for leaks -- in the Mark Foley case?
The reason, Hannity offered: Pelosi, in 2001, rode -- several floats away --
in the same San Francisco Gay Pride Parade with Harry Hay, the outspoken gay
rights pioneer. (Hay, who passed away at age 90, was never a member of
NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Association, but believed all gay
groups should be allowed to march in such parades.)
Note to Hannity: The annual Gay Pride parade is one of the biggest civic
events in Pelosi's 8th Congressional district every year and includes
hundreds of floats and thousands of marchers.
But no matter, maybe someone can ask Republican Mayor Bloomberg at that
fund-raiser: does he approve the marchers or the political philosophy of
every single participant in the the annual St. Paddy's Day parade? Or the
Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade?
Just wondering.
MORE
Pelosi has marched or been a part of Gay Pride parades, but NAMBLA was not
there under that banner.
Therefore, the reason for the missing photo you request.
You have to prove first that the above all came about and when etc. No facts
to support, but for a remark by Pat Buchanan.
All started with Pat B. :
Joe Scarborough: I will tell you this pat, if a chief of staff came to me,
if Mark Foley's chief of staff came to me in 1998 and told me that this was
going on I'll tell ya, I and most decent people, you would've gone to the
speaker and if he didn't do anything you would have held a press conference.
Pat Buchanan: Alright, that's my point apparently ABC knew this a year ago,
if the reporters knew this a year ago and they didn't report it, they don't
care about those kids, they're waiting to drop it in the fall election. In
this case, Hastert's got a point, if people give a hoot about the kids and
they know about it and they wait for a year to dump it, do they really care
about these kids? I don't think so. Let me may make one more point. Ms.
Pelosi has marched in gay pride parades with the North American Man Boy Love
Association, NAMBLA. Which, who are pedophiles who are trying to get the
laws repealed for sex between men and boys. If she's been marching with
pedophiles, is she credible standing up there saying I'm shocked, shocked
that some Republican is after 17 year old pages?
Pat Buchanan: yeah will, let me tell you something. Two national figures,
Rudy Giuliani, Hillary Rodham Clinton, marched in gay pride parades in New
York, in which I believe that NAMBLA floats were moved right along.. and
these are child predators who are arguing for getting rid of laws between
men and boys they're marching with that, that will go into.
http://pandagon.net/2006/10/06/watch-pat-buchanan-play-the-nambla-card-ucc-takes-on-perkins/
A statement was made:
Harry Hay and Rep. Nancy Pelosi both marched in same SF Pride parade back in
2001. Link to pipelinenews.com Blog pointing this out:
http://www.pipelinenews.org/bbs/viewpost.cfm?id=11157
In a "guilt by association" attack, some fundies are taking Answers.com /
Wikipedia entries on the North American Man/Boy Love Association and
associating it Harry Hay, and then associating Harry Hay with Democrats like
Rep. Pelosi. Here's the significance of Harry Hay to all this:
http://www.answers.com/topic/north-american-man-boy-love-association
Excerpt: In 1980 a group called the "Lesbian Caucus - Lesbian & Gay Pride
March Committee" distributed a hand-out urging women to split from the
annual New York City Gay Pride March because the organizing committee had
supposedly been dominated by NAMBLA and its supporters. The next year, after
some lesbians threatened to picket, the Cornell University gay group Gay PAC
(Gay People at Cornell) rescinded its invitation to NAMBLA founder David
Thorstad to be the keynote speaker at the annual May Gay Festival. In the
following years, gay rights groups attempted to block NAMBLA's participation
in gay pride parades, prompting leading gay rights figure Harry Hay to wear
a sign proclaiming "NAMBLA walks with me" as he participated in a 1986 gay
pride march in Los Angeles.
Gay rights organizations aren't affiliated with NAMBLA, and Pat Buchanan
knows it.
Pat Buchanan is a Catholic and he makes donations to the church, the
donations fund Priest salaries, some catholic priests molest boys,
therefore, Pat Buchanan pays Priests to molest boys. So Pat Buchanan is a
monster.
Comparison given:
I see no legs here with this story...only Pat knows for sure? He made the
statement so ask Pat.
BillB
"pokerchimp" <mixt...@se.rr.com> wrote in message
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> It's amazing how you (Irish Mike among others) read a headline, or a story
> in a right wing publication and you believe it to be true.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. I really don't know much about Pelosi
yet, but I think we can safely assume if the right-wingers have to reach
*this far* to assail her, she must be standing on pretty solid ground. I
heard her demonized incessantly throughout the recent campaign, and this is
the first time I've heard any "specifics". Pretty lame.
If anyone has some legitimate criticism of Pelosi, other than the vague
claim of "San Francisco values", I'd be really interested in hearing it. I
can never learn enough about American politics. I'm sure she's far from
perfect; there must be something out there more valid than "she marched in a
parade which also included a guy who supported nambla".
Yours in objectivity,
Bill
jj_...@yahoo.com
Boys who would beg to differ, you nut.
Patti Beadles
<jj_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Gay men are not pedophiles? I think there are several thousand Altar
>Boys who would beg to differ, you nut.
Some gay men are pedophiles. Some straight men are pedophiles.
Some gay women and some straight women are pedophiles.
I know a woman who was molested by her father. That doesn't mean
that all fathers are pedophiles.
-Patti
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Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA |
pattib~pattib.org | A sensible religion
http://www.pattib.org/ | is just a contradiction in terms
Or just yell, "Hey Patti!" | -- Roger Taylor
Bill T
> Some gay men are pedophiles. Some straight men are pedophiles.
> Some gay women and some straight women are pedophiles.
>
> I know a woman who was molested by her father. That doesn't mean
> that all fathers are pedophiles.
What a perfectly PC post.
The statistical question is: what is the matrix of sexual orientation
vs. pedophilia. Let's make it scientific: self-proclaimed straight
men, self-proclaimed gay men, self-proclaimed straight women, and
self-proclaimed lesbians; vs. registered sex-offenders with listed
offenses against minors.
Some soft-science grad student should look into this. My suspicion is
that an ANOVA calculation would show a difference among groups.
Bill T
BillB
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> Gay men are not pedophiles? I think there are several thousand Altar
> Boys who would beg to differ, you nut.
Here is some information from Dr. Gregory Herek's website, a noted
psychologist and expert in the field of sexual prejudice:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
While education is always recommended to combat bigotry, in your case it
appears professional counselling might not be a bad idea either.
pokerchimp
There's No Such Thing as a Gay Pedophile
Written by Michael J. West
Published October 10, 2006
"Suppose Mark Foley had been caught having sex with a dog. And it was a male
dog, so he announced, 'Yes, I'm gay.' Would people go, 'Oh, well that
figures?' No! They'd go 'What the hell does that have to do with it? You
were fucking a dog!' And that's really what should be happening here."
That is paraphrased, but it came from a conversation I had with a
psychologist friend of mine last week. We were discussing, yes, Rep. Foley,
because it's what the whole country is discussing (certainly what they were
discussing last week, anyway), and we happen to live in Washington D.C.
"So there seems to be an awful lot of 'Well, what do you expect? He's gay.'
Coming from the real wackjobs," I said. "Which seems ridiculous, unless
every gay person I know is secretly a child molester, and that's just
bullshit. Something like 95 percent of child molesters are men who molest
girls, right?"
"More like 90, but it's even more bullshit than you think," said the Doc.
"Not only is there no connection between being gay and being a pedophile,
but actually there's no such thing as a gay pedophile. There's no such thing
as a straight pedophile either. You're either gay or you're a pedophile.
You're not both."
"Huh? I don't understand."
"It's like this," the Doc said. "See, heterosexuality and homosexuality are
what we call 'mature sexualities.' This stuff doesn't really become latent
until puberty, but when it does it's assumed that people are looking for
partners with the same physical maturity level. So mature sexuality means
not just that the people are physically mature, but that they're seeking
partners who are physically mature. Okay?"
"Okay," I said.
"And so whether you're heterosexual or homosexual, you're looking for
someone on your level. You're attracted to sexual maturity, whether it's
strictly your age or not."
"Aha," I said. "But is Foley a pervert, then? Sixteen is post-puberty, most
of the time."
"Eh, there's some gray area there," he said. "Legally, obviously; ethically,
too; psychologically, definitely. Sixteen is post-puberty but still
developing.
"But anyway," Doc continued, "let's just talk about general here, not
necessarily specifically Mark Foley. So the thing about it is, if you're -
not really you, obviously - if you're a pedophile, you're not talking about
a mature sexuality. So really, it can't be characterized as gay or straight.
It's neither. There's tons of really solid research on this: the primary
sexual orientation is 'pedophile.'"
"So there's no way that you can be both?" I said. "But wait a minute. What
do you call it, then, when some pedophiles go after boys and some go after
girls?"
"A discriminating pedophile," he said.
"Like, I'm discriminating because I'm attracted to brunettes more than
blondes?"
"Well, it's a little more chemical than that," said Doc, "but it's actually
somewhat along those lines."
"Huh."
"I mean, think about it this way," he added. "Suppose Mark Foley had been
caught having sex with a dog. And it was a male dog, so he announced, 'Yes,
I'm gay.' Would people go, 'Oh, well that figures?' No! They'd go 'What the
hell does that have to do with it? You were fucking a dog!' And that's
really what should be happening here."
"Ohh... ," I said. "So it really is just something completely separate from
gay or straight."
"It's really not that hard to get your head around, is it?" Doc replied.
"Gay and straight are grown-ups who go for other grown-ups. Consenting
adults who understand what they're doing. That's normal. Pedophilia? Not.
"So it really gets me that if Foley does something with seriously perverse
ramifications, so many people in America will hear it and think he's just
'that crazy queer.' I'm not going to say he's a pedophile or an ephebophile
or whatever, because I haven't examined him, but if he is then he's not gay.
Let's stop relating them at all."
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pokerchimp
Dr. Gregory Herek at UC Davis has information on at least your first
question - on orientation and molestation
(http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html). Long
and short of it is that no scientific evidence exists to support the idea
that gay men are any more likely to molest children than straight men (and
lesbian molestation is almost unheard of).
Of course, the reasoned approach shown here, in which a man who molests a
boy but is married to an adult woman is not considered "gay," is anathema to
the "Christian" right. IIRC, their logic goes something like "One-third of
child molestation victims are male, but only (fill in some low percentage
here)% of the population is gay, so therefore gay men molest more often than
straight. " Because of course all those molesters of boys must be straight
men (Paul Cameron argues that gay men will also molest girls, but not vice
versa, but consider the source).
psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html
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> Gay men are not pedophiles? I think there are several thousand Altar
> Boys who would beg to differ, you nut.
oh clearly all priests are gay. makes sense, the bible says to kill em, so
they make em employees, so to speak, of the whole religion.... under which
they should be killed. yeah.... you should start at first grade and work
your way up thru the school system of any developed country. and don't
move up to 2nd grade just because you've been in first grade a year....
make sure you get like most grades D or better.
>
> pokerchimp wrote:
>
> >
> Gay men are not pedophiles.
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Susan
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> in a right wing publication and you believe it to be true.
Chimp - I am not interested in reading this whole thread, nor do I know what
you're referencing. But accusing people who read right wing publications
and believing them to be true is no different than people reading left wing
pulications and believing they are true.
Believe it or not, not all right wingers are evil stupid people, nor are all
left wingers.
Susan
FL Turbo
wrote:
If you expect to convince her of that, you are in for a long slog.
gl, ma'am
Paul Popinjay
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>
> oh clearly all priests are gay. makes sense, the bible says to kill em, so
> they make em employees, so to speak, of the whole religion.... under which
> they should be killed. yeah.... you should start at first grade and work
> your way up thru the school system of any developed country. and don't
> move up to 2nd grade just because you've been in first grade a year....
> make sure you get like most grades D or better.
>
ENGLISH, MUTHERFUCKER! You sound like friggin Torx.
pokerchimp
lie started by Pat Buchanan, which only appears in right wing publications,
because it was started to defame Nancy Pelosi in order to take the heat off
the republicans for Foley.
And if you're not into reading the whole thread, don't, but don't believe I
read left wing publications, because I do not. I am calling Pat Buchanan
and Hannratty (sp) liars, because they are, and Mike foolish for believing
it just because he wants to believe it.
As for you, I don't think you should comment unless you read the thread. I
know it's a free country, but your comment here is meaningless, and
incorrect.
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pokerchimp
your homophobia rule you, attacking gay men for being pedophiles, when there
are far more straight pedophiles (% wise) than gay ones. Why don't you read
and enlighten yourself for a change.
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Stephen Jacobs
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> in a right wing publication and you believe it to be true. Just some
> stuff I found on the internet. In turns out Harry Hay was marching in the
> parade in 2001 along with Pelosi. Harry Hay was a 90 year old man who was
> a founder of the gay rights movement. Harry Hay was not a member of
> NAMBLA, and there was no NAMBLA float in the parade. I believe gay pride
> organizations in the major citries, including SF, have banned NAMBLA from
When talking about NAMBLA, and especially about anything more than a couple
of years old, it's important to remember that it was almost certainly begun
as a hoax (an attempt to one-up 'SINA,' q.v.). Early activities, and
especially activities that were either particularly offensive or that gave a
person airtime, were quite likely scripted "street theater" by people of
sexual orientations unrelated to the supposed goals of the organization.
Paul Popinjay
"Stephen Jacobs" <jac...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:r-
>
> When talking about NAMBLA, and especially about anything more than a
> couple of years old, it's important to remember that it was almost
> certainly begun as a hoax (an attempt to one-up 'SINA,' q.v.). Early
> activities, and especially activities that were either particularly
> offensive or that gave a person airtime, were quite likely scripted
> "street theater" by people of sexual orientations unrelated to the
> supposed goals of the organization.
>
Holy shit! Am I mistaken or does it look like you are somehow defending
NAMBLA? I always suspected you were a freak, Stephen, you fat fuck.
You sick, fat, fuck.
This is why I would never dream of going to one of the barge events. I'm
sure there are many nice people, but I'm also sure some of you people are
some really sick mutherfuckers. No thanks.
-Paul Popinjay
GTech1
connection. It is not a study that says there is not a connection.
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gays that allowed NAMBLA, (the North American Man Boy Love Association) to
march in their parade, it's your choice and reflects your values. Just
accept the fact that our values are very different.
Irish Mike
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FL Turbo
wrote:
>Did you bother to read the thread, or are you just going to keep on letting
>your homophobia rule you, attacking gay men for being pedophiles, when there
>are far more straight pedophiles (% wise) than gay ones. Why don't you read
>and enlighten yourself for a change.
>
I have read all about it, for a long time now.
What is it about my rants that makes you think I fell off the turnip
truck just yesterday?
Well, actually I did, but it was a very long time ago.
You will just have to trust me on this one.
The only reason I stuck my dainty little toes into this was in
response to a poster who wrote:
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Keep sticking with the party that protects pedophiles.
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He wasn't talking about Pelosi, he was talking about Foley.
The Pelosi thing was a Pot-Kettle response to that allegation.
Both equally absurd.
As the great political commentator Rush Limbaugh says.
"I demonstrate absurdity by being absurd."
Get it?
In case you didn't.
The evidence I have seen indicates that gay people are no more or less
likely to be pedophiles than the general population.
Now just so we still have something to argue about.
Have you noticed that there are people like Bill Maher who are outing
gay Republicans?
Why is that?
FL Turbo
wrote:
>Nothing I have quoted comes from a left wing site. What Mike quoted is a
>lie started by Pat Buchanan, which only appears in right wing publications,
>because it was started to defame Nancy Pelosi in order to take the heat off
>the republicans for Foley.
>
>And if you're not into reading the whole thread, don't, but don't believe I
>read left wing publications, because I do not. I am calling Pat Buchanan
>and Hannratty (sp) liars, because they are, and Mike foolish for believing
>it just because he wants to believe it.
>
>As for you, I don't think you should comment unless you read the thread. I
>know it's a free country, but your comment here is meaningless, and
>incorrect.
>
Heh
Did I call it or what?
Susan is in for a long slog.
Susan
to jump on him.
I just don't get that kind of closed minded thinking.
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pokerchimp
NAMBLA has not had a float in any gay pride parade in the country since the
mid 1990s, including the 2001 parade where slimebag Buchanan has accused her
of doing so. Go find a picture of it on the internet. Go find a picture
that is less than 10 years old of a pride parade with a NAMBLA float. Gay
people hate NAMBLA too. But you won't bother to read the full post, because
you're a homophobe.
UNDERSTAND NOW
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Susan
you start with a statement like that. Sorry. Maybe if you had left out
the "right wing" and just said political instead I would have read further
believing this to be an unbiased post. Do you get the difference?
Susan
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pokerchimp
Maher or anyone else is outing gay republicans or democrats. I do not think
this is right. I do not think a person's sexual preference has anything to
do with their ability to legislate. I think it is a horrible invasion of a
person's privacy to out them publicly, regardless of who they are.
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Paul Popinjay
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In fact, I think I'll save this post and put it in the same file as all of
my copies of posts by Wilhelm Kuhlman. And then everytime I see some stupid
ass post of yours about some inane 7-stud situation I think I'll reply with
it to remind people that you are a NAMBLA advocate, and most likely have a
young boyfriend, a VERY young boyfriend.
And if I ever do go to a barge event and get to meet you, I think I might
just kick your ass. You limp-wristed, ass-fucking, HIV-infected, faggot!
warmest regards,
-Paul Popinjay
Paul Popinjay
> Gay people hate NAMBLA too.
Then I'll be waiting for you to address Stephen Jacobs, a longtime RGP
poster, who has revealed his obvious sympathies towards NAMBLA, in this
thread.
I've always wanted to go back east and check out Foxwood's. Now I want to
go even more, and hopefully meet Stephen Jacobs, the boy molester, and kick
his fucking ass.
-Paul Popinjay
pokerchimp
work with outlook express as my newsreader. Can you copy and repost what he
was responding to. I jumped on him because he is defaming Nancy Pelosi for
something which she did NOT do.
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Paul Popinjay
>
> Susan is in for a long slog.
>
That's the way I feel about my conversations with you. Double dopey dope!
da pickle
> Who was responding to what you wrote. I can't figure it out from trying
> to work with outlook express as my newsreader. Can you copy and repost
> what he was responding to. I jumped on him because he is defaming Nancy
> Pelosi for something which she did NOT do.
chimp, you must have something wrong with your settings in OE ... if you
experiment with VIEW and then CURRENT VIEW, and then sort by date, you
should be able to get your threads in descending order so you can tell who
is responding to whom.
They will all come out "in order" ... good luck.
Now, as to this recent thing ... I have not heard from anyone who supports
NAMBLA in this group.
Political folks call all sorts of people names. Associating Ms. Pelosi with
NAMBLA is unfair, but there are lots of things that happen in politics that
are unfair. You seem to have a somewhat one sided outlook as to what is
fair and what is not fair comment ... I think that is what Susan and FLTurbo
were commenting upon. Since you have personal stake in the conversation, it
is likely excusable that you would have strong feelings in this area. That
is ok, but it is not necessarily relevant to the discussion at hand.
pokerchimp
and only repeated in right wing publications. So I know where he read it.
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FL Turbo
wrote:
>Exactly, I apoligize for misunderstanding you. Not I don't know why Bill
>Maher or anyone else is outing gay republicans or democrats. I do not think
>this is right. I do not think a person's sexual preference has anything to
>do with their ability to legislate. I think it is a horrible invasion of a
>person's privacy to out them publicly, regardless of who they are.
>
Thanks for that response.
I agree with you.
We still will have plenty of things to argue about.
---"I argue, therefore I Am" ----
------------- FL Turbo -------------
Paul Popinjay
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>
> Now, as to this recent thing ... I have not heard from anyone who supports
> NAMBLA in this group.
>
Yes you have. His name is Stephen Jacobs, longtime RGP poster, frequents
Foxwood's Casino, specializing in playing stud like a fucking tight-ass bump
on a log of the Ashley Adams School.
"When talking about NAMBLA, and especially about anything more than a couple
of years old, it's important to remember that it was almost certainly begun
as a hoax (an attempt to one-up 'SINA,' q.v.). Early activities, and
especially activities that were either particularly offensive or that gave a
person airtime, were quite likely scripted "street theater" by people of
sexual orientations unrelated to the supposed goals of the organization."
-- Stephen Jacobs, RGP, Nov. 12, 2006
I'd like to meet him at a barge event and kick his ass.
Limp-wristed, ass-fucking, HIV-infected, boy-raping faggot!
-Paul Popinjay
Susan
all replublicans are Assholes I guess I have nothing more to say.
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pokerchimp
all right wingers evil or stupid, and I'm not that much of a liberal (ok, I
know you're laughing, but I'm not).
The simple fact is that this lie was generated by Pat Buchanan and repeated
only in the right wing press. Which is why I used the term.
Paul Popinjay
> If you don't get the difference between saying Irish Mike is an Asshole...
>
Excuse me, uhh, Susan. I don't mean to pick on your grammar and
punctuation, but I couldn't help but notice that when mentioning the subject
of calling Irish Mike an asshole, uhh, you capitalized 'asshole'.
da pickle
> Harry Hay was a 90 year old man who was a founder of the gay rights
> movement. Harry Hay was not a member of NAMBLA, and there was no NAMBLA
> float in the parade. I believe gay pride organizations in the major
> citries, including SF, have banned NAMBLA from participating
You are mixing some things in this thread, chimp and you are making
incorrect comparisons.
I think it pretty well known in "gay circles" that Harry Hay was quite
supportive of NAMBLA and of the basic precepts of their organization. He
was quite vocal about the banning of NAMBLA and marched with banners
supporting them in the parades that followed their banning. (I do not think
he was ever a member.)
This does not mean that Ms. Pelosi supports NAMBLA, but you are defending
the indefensible with your implication that Harry Hay was not a supporter of
NAMBLA.
For some of his comments on the subject, check these out:
http://216.220.97.17/hay2002.htm
pokerchimp
some history on the organization is supporting it? Paul, I thought you
were
better than that. Guess I was wrong.
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FL Turbo
Hey, I am encouraged by that.
I have gone from being a dopey dopey dopey dope to merely a dopey
dope.
It gives me at least a tiny glimmer of hope that I can talk you in off
the ledge.
Oh, maybe I'm just being naive here.
Hope springs Eternal.
BTW
Don't call me Shirley.
Call me Surely.
da pickle
>> Now, as to this recent thing ... I have not heard from anyone who
>> supports
>> NAMBLA in this group.
>>
>
> Yes you have. His name is Stephen Jacobs, longtime RGP poster, frequents
> Foxwood's Casino, specializing in playing stud like a fucking tight-ass
> bump
> on a log of the Ashley Adams School.
I am not sure I understand the reference to SINA (and I am not sure I want
to go looking and leaving a trail on my computer that I might regret) but
Stephen seems to be revealing a very subtle understanding of the subject at
hand that may not be "supportive" as you conclude. I could be wrong, of
course, but from what he said, I think the conclusion is currently
unjustified.
Bob
Irish Mike wrote:
> Newsflash pokerchimp. If you want to defend Nancy Pelosi and a group of
> gays that allowed NAMBLA, (the North American Man Boy Love Association) to
> march in their parade, it's your choice and reflects your values. Just
> accept the fact that our values are very different.
That's right. Nancy Pelosi likes parades. Irish Mike likes child
molesting Catholic priests. We know he does, because he goes to the
same church as them.
Oh, yeah - I also know that Irish Mike approves of terrorists because
he marched in a Saint Patrick's Day Parade with the IRA.
But it's your choice and your values, Mike. Just remember that we all
know you approve of child-molesting and terrorism.
- Bob T.
Paul Popinjay
>
> I am not sure I understand the reference to SINA (and I am not sure I want
> to go looking and leaving a trail on my computer that I might regret) but
> Stephen seems to be revealing a very subtle understanding of the subject
> at hand that may not be "supportive" as you conclude. I could be wrong,
> of course, but from what he said, I think the conclusion is currently
> unjustified.
>
I don't like him anyway. I've read plenty of his posts in the past years.
He's creepy. Fuck him!
Paul Popinjay
>I didn't see anywhere in that post where he supported NAMBLA. Telling you
> some history on the organization is supporting it? Paul, I thought you
> were better than that. Guess I was wrong.
>
Then maybe you better read Stevie's comments again, honey.
"When talking about NAMBLA, and especially about anything more than a couple
of years old, it's important to remember that it was almost certainly begun
as a hoax (an attempt to one-up 'SINA,' q.v.). Early activities, and
especially activities that were either particularly offensive or that gave a
person airtime, were quite likely scripted "street theater" by people of
sexual orientations unrelated to the supposed goals of the organization."
-Stephen Jacobs, RGP - Nov. 12, 2006
Now TELL me that doesn't wreak of him doing things to young boys. Go ahead.
Anyone. I'm waiting for anyone to explain to me why they think Stephen's
comments about NAMBLA doesn't wreak of him being a friggin boy-molester.
I have absolutely no tolerance for this subject. I suppose you think that
makes me 'closed-minded', Pokerchimp. Well let me tell you straight from
the heart. These boy-mollesting animal freaks in NAMBLA ought to be burned
at the stake. I am in no way exaggerating for the sake of this post. They
ought to have their balls cut off and stoned to death in a public square. I
couldn't be more serious.
-Paul Popinjay
Brian
post you made a week or so ago. The ENTIRE post consisted of this: "republicans
are the scum of the earth."
On Nov 12 2006 9:09 AM, pokerchimp wrote:
> "da pickle" wrote in message
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Paul Popinjay wrote:
> "pokerchimp" <mixt...@se.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:wlG5h.9289$sv1....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>
> > Gay people hate NAMBLA too.
>
> Then I'll be waiting for you to address Stephen Jacobs, a longtime RGP
> poster, who has revealed his obvious sympathies towards NAMBLA, in this
> thread.
Fuck you, Paul, he wrote that some people had _pretended_ to be NAMBLA
in order to discredit the parade organizers. Never did he say that he
sympathized with NAMBLA in any way.
>
> I've always wanted to go back east and check out Foxwood's. Now I want to
> go even more, and hopefully meet Stephen Jacobs, the boy molester, and kick
> his fucking ass.
Why don't you just shut the fuck up instead. I have no idea who
"Stephen Jacobs" is, but you have crossed the line from your usual
amusing trollish rants into personal defamation and you should knock it
the fuck off.
- Bob T.
>
> -Paul Popinjay
Susan
Assholes, but spelled Republican wrong.
duh
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pokerchimp
not a member of NAMBLA. He was marching in protest to NAMBLA's right to
free speech. He wore a sandwich board saying NAMBLA. It was not a NAMBLA
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Paul Popinjay
"Bob" <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Fuck you, Paul, he wrote that some people had _pretended_ to be NAMBLA
> in order to discredit the parade organizers. Never did he say that he
> sympathized with NAMBLA in any way.
>
Oh yeah, right. They had to plant fake NAMBLAs, to discredit NAMBLA.
rolling on the floor, give me a fucking break.
So what you're saying, then, is that if there hadn't been fake NAMBLAs with
a hidden agenda of giving the real NAMBLA a bad name?
Hey guess what, Bob. Fuck you too. You've got your panties twisted over me
'badmouthing' NAMBLA? I guess that shows where your sympathies are too.
Maybe you need YOUR ass kicked too. Limp-wristed, ass-fucking,
HIV-infested, boy-molesting faggot.
Fuck NAMBLA, and fuck you.
warmest regards,
-Paul Popinjay
pokerchimp
admit it. I did say Bush is a moron. I don't believe I called every
republican the scum of the earth. I like John McCain.
thumbers on stars, pokerchimp1 on absolute
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BillB
> The only reason I stuck my dainty little toes into this was in
> response to a poster who wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Keep sticking with the party that protects pedophiles.
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> He wasn't talking about Pelosi, he was talking about Foley.
> The Pelosi thing was a Pot-Kettle response to that allegation.
> Both equally absurd.
Uhhh...no. The difference being that there is *evidence* that Hastert (a
Republican leader) tried to cover up Foley's activities.
Paul Popinjay
> in order to discredit the parade organizers. Never did he say that he
> sympathized with NAMBLA in any way.
>
Then let's hear him, and you, come out and say that you think absolutely
everything about NAMBLA is absolutely disgusting and that these freaks
should be fucking tortured to death in a public square. C'mon, big mouth.
If you and Stevie do not sympathize with NAMBLA, then let's hear either of
you come out and admit what a bunch of sick and disgusting perverts NAMBLA
is and that they have no right to live on this planet.
I'll be waiting, fuck face.
warmest,
-Paul Popinjay
pokerchimp
will have to point out exactly what he says that supports NAMBLA. I don't
know the guy at all, and I'm not defending him, or anyone else who is a
member of NAMBLA, or who molest young boys or young girls. I just don't
see where he infers that at all.
thumbers on stars, pokerchimp1 on absolute
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FL Turbo
Uhhhh... Is Foley a pedophile?
pokerchimp
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Bob
Paul Popinjay wrote:
> Oh yeah, right. They had to plant fake NAMBLAs, to discredit NAMBLA.
> rolling on the floor, give me a fucking break.
> So what you're saying, then, is that if there hadn't been fake NAMBLAs with
> a hidden agenda of giving the real NAMBLA a bad name?
No, they planted fake NAMBLA's in order to discredit the organizers of
the gay rights parade. Try to keep up.
>
> Hey guess what, Bob. Fuck you too. You've got your panties twisted over me
> 'badmouthing' NAMBLA? I guess that shows where your sympathies are too.
I called you out because you were attacking some guy personally on
account of his informational post. I thought that was too low, even
for you.
>
> Maybe you need YOUR ass kicked too. Limp-wristed, ass-fucking,
> HIV-infested, boy-molesting faggot.
I take it back - there is nothing too low for you, you fucking
crackpot.
- Bob T.
Bob
Yes, I think that NAMBLA is a sick and disgusting organization.
However, I would think that you, of all people, would understand the
concept of a "false flag operation". If you wanted to discredit a gay
rights parade, how would you go about it? You might just pretend to be
NAMBLA, might you not? I don't know whether that really happened, but
that was the story that Steve wrote.
- Bob T.
>
> warmest,
> -Paul Popinjay
Paul Popinjay
>I read it several times. It is history available onthe internet. You
> will have to point out exactly what he says that supports NAMBLA. I don't
> know the guy at all, and I'm not defending him, or anyone else who is a
> member of NAMBLA, or who molest young boys or young girls. I just don't
> see where he infers that at all.
>
WTF? Do we really need fake NAMBLAs to discredit the real NAMBLAs? Holy
shit. Out of the clear blue sky this guy Stephen comes up with this shit
that if you've read 'bad' stuff about NAMBLA that it's probably a hoax.
WHERE THE FUCK DOES HE GET OFF?!!!
I've read a lot of posts by Stephen. I've also read a lot by Bob. I'm
shocked too, that they come to the aid of the boy-molesters. Please say it
ain't so. So let's clear this up right now and have them both announce that
they think NAMBLA is disgusting and that all members of NAMBLA should have
their nuts cut off and stoned to death in a public square.
If we don't see this announcement forthcoming, then I think it is pretty
fucking obvious that they have SOME kind of sympathy to NAMBLA. I don't
know how much, but it is obvious that they have at LEAST a little bit of
sympathy towards NAMBLA.
I mean really. Think about it. I've talked a lot of shit to Bob in the
past. I've insulted the fuck out of him. He never got mad. Yet now, on
the subject of the disgusting boy-molesters in NAMBLA, this is the FIRST
time that Bob got mad at me and in fact told me to go fuck myself. HELLO!
I guess a raw nerve has been hit.
If they do not support NAMBLA in anyway, let them come out right now and
declare so.
-Paul Popinjay
pokerchimp
Paul Popinjay
>
> Paul Popinjay wrote:
>>
>> Then let's hear him, and you, come out and say that you think absolutely
>> everything about NAMBLA is absolutely disgusting and that these freaks
>> should be fucking tortured to death in a public square. C'mon, big
>> mouth.
>> If you and Stevie do not sympathize with NAMBLA, then let's hear either
>> of
>> you come out and admit what a bunch of sick and disgusting perverts
>> NAMBLA
>> is and that they have no right to live on this planet.
>
> Yes, I think that NAMBLA is a sick and disgusting organization.
>
Ok, Bob. You're halfway there. Now finish what I said you needed to say.
Say that you think NAMBLA is sick and disgusting, and that they need to be
stoned to death in a public square.
I'll be waiting.
Paul Popinjay
> Bob already did
>
No, he didn't. He only said that he thinks NAMBLA is sick and disgusting.
He needs to complete my request. He needs to say that NAMBLA members have
no right to live on Planet Earth and that their members need to be stoned to
death in a public square.
I'm waiting.
BillB
Oh, that's your angle. I thought you were trying to deny the cover-up. I
suppose if you wanted to get technical you'd say the evidence suggests he is
an ephebophile rather than a pedophile, but then your analogy to Pelosi
makes no sense at all.
No, you must have being referring to the cover-up.
Unless you believe Hastert that it's possible for someone is his position to
"forget" when someone comes to you with Foley's fact situation, it's a
reasonable conclusion that the Republicans were engaged in the cover-up of
pedophilia among their own.
Bob
Paul Popinjay wrote:
>
> WTF? Do we really need fake NAMBLAs to discredit the real NAMBLAs? Holy
> shit. Out of the clear blue sky this guy Stephen comes up with this shit
> that if you've read 'bad' stuff about NAMBLA that it's probably a hoax.
> WHERE THE FUCK DOES HE GET OFF?!!!
Are you really an idiot or just playing one on RGP? The fake NAMBLA's
weren't there to discredit the real NAMBLA - they were there to
discredit the gay rights movement. Nah, you're not this stupid -
you're just pretending.
>
> If we don't see this announcement forthcoming, then I think it is pretty
> fucking obvious that they have SOME kind of sympathy to NAMBLA. I don't
> know how much, but it is obvious that they have at LEAST a little bit of
> sympathy towards NAMBLA.
You fucking Communist, you miss Stalin, don't you?
>
> I mean really. Think about it. I've talked a lot of shit to Bob in the
> past. I've insulted the fuck out of him. He never got mad. Yet now, on
> the subject of the disgusting boy-molesters in NAMBLA, this is the FIRST
> time that Bob got mad at me and in fact told me to go fuck myself. HELLO!
> I guess a raw nerve has been hit.
You slandered some poor shmuck after he made an informational post on
the topic. I guess he should have known that some fucking communist
would twist his statement and slander him. I guess evervyone should
know better than to post in a thread about NAMBLA, because some fucking
communist tool would accuse them of being a molestor.
>
> If they do not support NAMBLA in anyway, let them come out right now and
> declare so.
I do not support NAMBLA in any way. Hey, Paul - how long has it been
since supposedly quit being an active member of the Communist Party?
Did you blow up any US government buildings while you were active? I'm
just asking the questoin - no harm in that, right? If you weren't
actively trying to overthrow the government of the United States, all
you have to do is deny it in public and everyone will believe you.
When was it that you supposedly stopped being an America-hater, Paul?
John A. Fish
> Have you noticed that there are people like Bill Maher who are outing
> gay Republicans?
>
> Why is that?
I was wondering the same thing. I think it has something to do not so
much with being gay as being Republican. They kind of do the same thing
with blacks who are Republican (you may have noticed).
The outings do present a mixed message of sorts. I thought the
Democrats were supposed to be the party of "tolerance." No wonder I am
confused a lot these days.
- J. Fish
da pickle
>I didn't say Harry Hay didn't support NAMBLA's right to march, but he was
>not a member of NAMBLA. He was marching in protest to NAMBLA's right to
>free speech. He wore a sandwich board saying NAMBLA. It was not a NAMBLA
>float.
chimp, I am being kind here ... read what Harry Hay said in support of
NAMBLA and what NAMBLA stands for ... he was not a member, at least I have
never heard that he was, but it is also common knowledge (and available for
quotation) that he was a supporter of more their right to free speech.
pokerchimp
(if they are the one promoting it, which they probably are) are doing the
wrong thing, and I wished they'd stop, because it makes them look stupid.
"John A. Fish" <j...@horsecreek.homeip.net> wrote in message
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da pickle
> I thought you were trying to deny the cover-up.
I think you have some sort of obsession here, Bill.
BTW, have you stopped beating your wife?
BillB
> This does not mean that Ms. Pelosi supports NAMBLA, but you are defending
> the indefensible with your implication that Harry Hay was not a supporter
> of NAMBLA.
She implied no such thing. Stop lying for once in your life.
Paul Popinjay
>
>
> I do not support NAMBLA in any way. Hey, Paul - how long has it been
> since supposedly quit being an active member of the Communist Party?
> Did you blow up any US government buildings while you were active? I'm
> just asking the questoin - no harm in that, right? If you weren't
> actively trying to overthrow the government of the United States, all
> you have to do is deny it in public and everyone will believe you.
> When was it that you supposedly stopped being an America-hater, Paul?
>
Bob, you stupid idiot. I have recently stated on RGP that I am indeed still
a covert member of the Communist Party. I live in rural central California,
under a feigned image as a conservative republican. Can you imagine the
discipline I must practice to keep from revealing my true identity amongst
these red neck flag-waving hicks in this area?
And yes, I was trying to actively overthrow the United States government.
That's what communists are supposed to do, you moron.
And I never really stopped being an America-hater. Not only are you people
weak, lazy, and decadent, but there's TOO MANY NAMBLA sympathizers in this
friggin country.
We will bury you!
-Paul Popinjay
http://www.plp.org
BillB
> "BillB"
>
>> I thought you were trying to deny the cover-up.
>
> I think you have some sort of obsession here, Bill.
What obsession would that be?
> BTW, have you stopped beating your wife?
I never have beat my wife. Do you have evidence I have, or are you just
asking to be sued?
FL Turbo
>
>"FL Turbo" <noe...@notime.com> wrote in message
>news:89hel2p825f2d53fd...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:54:32 GMT, "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
>
>>>Uhhh...no. The difference being that there is *evidence* that Hastert (a
>>>Republican leader) tried to cover up Foley's activities.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Uhhhh... Is Foley a pedophile?
>
>Oh, that's your angle. I thought you were trying to deny the cover-up. I
>suppose if you wanted to get technical you'd say the evidence suggests he is
>an ephebophile rather than a pedophile, but then your analogy to Pelosi
>makes no sense at all.
>
Oh, an "ephebophile".
Ok, I knew there must be a term for it.
Did I ever try to make the case that an analogy to Pelosi made any
sense?
No, I didn't.
I said both charges were equally absurd.
Try to keep up.
Pokerchimp understood that.
I have no argument with her on that point.
Evidently you still don't understand.
>No, you must have being referring to the cover-up.
>
>Unless you believe Hastert that it's possible for someone is his position to
>"forget" when someone comes to you with Foley's fact situation, it's a
>reasonable conclusion that the Republicans were engaged in the cover-up of
>pedophilia among their own.
>
Uhhh.. don't you mean "ephebophilia"?
Whatever.
You will have to pummel that deceased equine all on your own.
Your wilful obtuseness trumps all.
pokerchimp
he was like that.news:GoOdnYQHDJ8...@giganews.com...
Paul Popinjay
> Your wilful obtuseness trumps all.
>
understatement of the mutherfucking century.
BillB
> Uhhh.. don't you mean "ephebophilia"?
No, I meant pedophilia in the same way it was meant in the post you objected
to:
"In contrast to the generally accepted medical definition, the term
pedophile is also used colloquially to denote significantly older adults who
are sexually attracted to adolescents below the local age of consent,[1] as
well as those who have sexually abused a child."
> Your wilful obtuseness trumps all.
Look who's talking. You know *exactly* what was meant when he said the
Republicans were covering up pedophilia, and given the facts of the case it
is not at all "absurd".
da pickle
> I never have beat my wife. Do you have evidence I have, or are you just
> asking to be sued?
You cannot be old enough to have been to law school.
da pickle
> She implied no such thing. Stop lying for once in your life.
If she was not making the implication, I misread what she wrote. If I
misread, I apologize to her. I don't think I misread what she wrote.
I think, from your posts in this thread, that you are implying that you
cannot be old enough to vote. I could be misunderstanding that as well.
BillB
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> This article seems only to try to refute the other studies that claim
> there is a
> connection. It is not a study that says there is not a connection.
Incorrect.
F
BillB
You "misread" a lot.
da pickle
> yeah, I just read it, you are right about Harry Hay. I didn't realize
> that he was like that.
I did not either ... and for the record, I would support his free speech
rights to say it as well.
Now, we are straight that Nancy Pelosi does not have to support NAMBLA to
support gay rights; and, as a matter of fact, she does not have to be gay to
support gay rights; and further, we can disagree on exactly what "gay
rights" we might be talking about when we disagree on how to make sure "gay
rights" are not an imposition on the rights of others. It is a difficult
area of discussion that seems to degrade into insults very quickly ... if
reasonable people (no matter what their orientation) are not very careful.
BillB
I'm really fed up with you and your lies (or as you like to call them,
"misreading" and "misunderstandings"). Do you have any evidence I beat my
wife, or not?
da pickle
>> I think, from your posts in this thread, that you are implying that you
>> cannot be old enough to vote. I could be misunderstanding that as well.
>
> You "misread" a lot.
That may be true; that is why I like to check in with the original to see if
I have misread.
In your case, Bill, it appears that you are "compounding the felony" ... if
you know what I mean.
pokerchimp
on this. I'm going to bed. What the over under for posts on this thread by
the time I wake up?
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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pokerchimp
their presence is not welcome, and it has been that way for about 12 years.
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FL Turbo
Personally, I don't have any evidence to support that charge.
I do however have evidence that you do beat dead horses.
Do I get sued now?
-- "I am not a real lawyer. I only play one on RGP" --
---------------------- F L(ee) Turbo -----------------
da pickle
> I'm really fed up with you and your lies (or as you like to call them,
> "misreading" and "misunderstandings"). Do you have any evidence I beat my
> wife, or not?
I am pretty well fed and sometimes I do try and be "sophisticated" ... but
then I started to realize that maybe you do not use the question:
"have you stopped beating your wife?"
as the quintessential example of a "double question?"
Maybe not in Canada ... but you express such firm ideas about popular
American culture that I should be forgiven for thinking that you were
familiar with the expression.
So, when you say:
"I thought you were trying to deny the cover-up."
I immediately assume that when faced with a quick (and devilishly clever)
example of a double question, you would see the obvious parallel ... again,
I inferred too much ... which led me to the idea that you may not be old
enough to have gone to law school or to vote ... at least in the USA. I
don't claim to know that much about Canada. (That is a joke, BTW, about
Canada. I love Canada. I never fail to visit the exhibit at Epcot when I
visit Orlando. And I was just in Quebec a couple of months ago; reminds me
of New Orleans ... very nice.)
da pickle
>I agree...nice chatting with you pickle. I think you and I actually agree
>on this. I'm going to bed. What the over under for posts on this thread by
>the time I wake up?
Sweet dreams. I suspect we agree on a lot in this area. I suspect this
thread will continue for a while.
Patti Beadles
Bill T <wct...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>The statistical question is: what is the matrix of sexual orientation
>vs. pedophilia. [...]
>Some soft-science grad student should look into this. My suspicion is
>that an ANOVA calculation would show a difference among groups.
It's been done. Google can find the studies for you as well as
I can. The incidence of child abuse among gays and lesbians is
no higher than among heterosexuals.
-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA |
pattib~pattib.org | A sensible religion
http://www.pattib.org/ | is just a contradiction in terms
Or just yell, "Hey Patti!" | -- Roger Taylor
BillB
Nice try, but asking me if I have stopped beating my wife bears no logical
relation to anything I asked Turbo. He was, in fact, denying that such a
cover-up took place. Even if it was a case of you
butting in with another one of your all too frequent "misunderstandings",
surely you would have said, "that's like asking someone if you stopped
beating your wife", rather than making such an accusation on me directly.
No, I'm pretty sure you were defaming me. Consider yourself on probation.
da pickle
> Nice try, but asking me if I have stopped beating my wife bears no logical
> relation to anything I asked Turbo.
WOW ... you still don't get it! It does NOT have ANYTHING to do with what
you asked Turbo ...
Have you ever been in a courtroom?
BillB
> "BillB"
>
>> Nice try, but asking me if I have stopped beating my wife bears no
>> logical
>> relation to anything I asked Turbo.
>
> WOW ... you still don't get it! It does NOT have ANYTHING to do with what
> you asked Turbo ...
Well, what did it relate to then?
> Have you ever been in a courtroom?
Yes. Do you ever tire of using red herrings?
NCL
"Bill T" <wct...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Patti Beadles wrote:
>
>> Some gay men are pedophiles. Some straight men are pedophiles.
>> Some gay women and some straight women are pedophiles.
>>
>> I know a woman who was molested by her father. That doesn't mean
>> that all fathers are pedophiles.
>
>
> What a perfectly PC post.
>
> The statistical question is: what is the matrix of sexual orientation vs.
> self-proclaimed gay men, self-proclaimed straight women, and
> self-proclaimed lesbians; vs. registered sex-offenders with listed
> offenses against minors.
>
> Some soft-science grad student should look into this. My suspicion is
> that an ANOVA calculation would show a difference among groups.
>
>
Patti was not being PC, she was making the obvious refutation of the stupid
comment the poster above her made.
Furthermore, the correlation that you suspect exists does not, according to
what I have read.
I think the reason it sometimes seems like pedophiles are disproportionately
men going after boy is that this is the easiest form of pedophilia to
accomplish, and therefore the kinda that most often happens. It's really
tough for adult males to get access to little girls but they can easily be
entrusted with the care of boys if they want it. (By volunteering to coach
or something.)
Peg Smith
>WTF? Do we really need fake NAMBLAs to discredit the real NAMBLAs? Holy
>shit. Out of the clear blue sky this guy Stephen comes up with this shit
>that if you've read 'bad' stuff about NAMBLA that it's probably a hoax.
>WHERE THE FUCK DOES HE GET OFF?!!!
Paul, the way I read it, Stephen was saying that marchers were
pretending to be from NAMBLA in order to discredit the whole gay
rights movements.
Peg
Irish Mike
NAMBLA to march in their parade. And NAMBLA has, in fact, marched in their
parade. Now don't feel too stupid - developing reading comprehension skills
can take time. You'll get there - eventually.
Irish Mike
pokerchimp" <mixt...@se.rr.com> wrote in message
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> DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ MIKE?
>
> NAMBLA has not had a float in any gay pride parade in the country since
> the mid 1990s, including the 2001 parade where slimebag Buchanan has
> accused her of doing so. Go find a picture of it on the internet. Go
> find a picture that is less than 10 years old of a pride parade with a
> NAMBLA float. Gay people hate NAMBLA too. But you won't bother to read
> the full post, because you're a homophobe.
>
> UNDERSTAND NOW
> "Irish Mike" <mjo...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:N7G5h.8603$yl4....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
>> Newsflash pokerchimp. If you want to defend Nancy Pelosi and a group of
>> gays that allowed NAMBLA, (the North American Man Boy Love Association)
>> to march in their parade, it's your choice and reflects your values.
>> Just accept the fact that our values are very different.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>>
>>
>> "pokerchimp" <mixt...@se.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:zVA5h.9269$sv1....@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>>> It's amazing how you (Irish Mike among others) read a headline, or a
>>> story in a right wing publication and you believe it to be true. Just
>>> some stuff I found on the internet. In turns out Harry Hay was marching
>>> in the parade in 2001 along with Pelosi. Harry Hay was a 90 year old
>>> man who was a founder of the gay rights movement. Harry Hay was not a
>>> member of NAMBLA, and there was no NAMBLA float in the parade. I
>>> believe gay pride organizations in the major citries, including SF, have
>>> banned NAMBLA from participating
>>>
>>> There is no picture of a NAMBLA float anywhere near Pelosi. Supposedly
>>> they were marching 2 spots away from each other.
>>>
>>> Gay men are not pedophiles. They Gay community is anti NAMBLA for the
>>> most part and they were banned fromthe parade in NYC in 1994.
>>>
>>> Here is some information I found so you may be enlightened and stop
>>> embarassing yourself.
>>>
>>> One post
>>>
>>> April 3rd, 2004 at 8:15 am
>>>
>>> NAMBLA was only in the parade for one or two years, I think. There was a
>>> lot of bitter arguing behind the scenes among the organizers of the
>>> parade about whether to exclude them or not. Nobody was happy about them
>>> wanting to march with us, nobody approved of their goals, but some
>>> thought that singling them out to bar from the parade would be even
>>> worse. NAMBLA was advocating the legalization of an activity that many
>>> people find loathsome and dangerous; but so was the rest of the gay
>>> rights movement, and it would look hypocritical to bar them, or so the
>>> argument went. Who were we to set ourselves up as the judges of which
>>> community organizations were legitimate and which were not? Let the
>>> community itself decide.
>>>
>>> A less moral but more pragmatic argument for including them was that if
>>> you want someone to hang himself, you first have to give him enough
>>> rope.
>>>
>>> This proved to be the right move. NAMBLA marched, and you never saw such
>>> an outpouring of hatred from the crowd. At every point along the route
>>> they were booed, they were hissed, they had beer cans and rocks thrown
>>> at them, threats and insults were shouted at them. Walking the length of
>>> the parade must have been an excruciatingly long two hours for them.
>>>
>>> They never asked to march again.
>>>
>>> One writer:
>>>
>>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=9798
>>>
>>> the Fox guy last week was outraged and went off on Rep. Nancy Pelosi,
>>> the Democratic minority leader from San Francisco, suggesting she was a
>>> moral hypocrite -- and maybe even responsible for leaks -- in the Mark
>>> Foley case?
>>>
>>> The reason, Hannity offered: Pelosi, in 2001, rode -- several floats
>>> away -- in the same San Francisco Gay Pride Parade with Harry Hay, the
>>> outspoken gay rights pioneer. (Hay, who passed away at age 90, was never
>>> a member of NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love Association, but
>>> believed all gay groups should be allowed to march in such parades.)
>>>
>>> Note to Hannity: The annual Gay Pride parade is one of the biggest civic
>>> events in Pelosi's 8th Congressional district every year and includes
>>> hundreds of floats and thousands of marchers.
>>>
>>> But no matter, maybe someone can ask Republican Mayor Bloomberg at that
>>> fund-raiser: does he approve the marchers or the political philosophy of
>>> every single participant in the the annual St. Paddy's Day parade? Or
>>> the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade?
>>>
>>> Just wondering.
>>>
>>> MORE
>>>
>>> Pelosi has marched or been a part of Gay Pride parades, but NAMBLA was
>>> not there under that banner.
>>>
>>> Therefore, the reason for the missing photo you request.
>>> You have to prove first that the above all came about and when etc. No
>>> facts to support, but for a remark by Pat Buchanan.
>>>
>>> All started with Pat B. :
>>>
>>> Joe Scarborough: I will tell you this pat, if a chief of staff came to
>>> me, if Mark Foley's chief of staff came to me in 1998 and told me that
>>> this was going on I'll tell ya, I and most decent people, you would've
>>> gone to the speaker and if he didn't do anything you would have held a
>>> press conference.
>>>
>>> Pat Buchanan: Alright, that's my point apparently ABC knew this a year
>>> ago, if the reporters knew this a year ago and they didn't report it,
>>> they don't care about those kids, they're waiting to drop it in the fall
>>> election. In this case, Hastert's got a point, if people give a hoot
>>> about the kids and they know about it and they wait for a year to dump
>>> it, do they really care about these kids? I don't think so. Let me may
>>> make one more point. Ms. Pelosi has marched in gay pride parades with
>>> the North American Man Boy Love Association, NAMBLA. Which, who are
>>> pedophiles who are trying to get the laws repealed for sex between men
>>> and boys. If she's been marching with pedophiles, is she credible
>>> standing up there saying I'm shocked, shocked that some Republican is
>>> after 17 year old pages?
>>>
>>> Pat Buchanan: yeah will, let me tell you something. Two national
>>> figures, Rudy Giuliani, Hillary Rodham Clinton, marched in gay pride
>>> parades in New York, in which I believe that NAMBLA floats were moved
>>> right along.. and these are child predators who are arguing for getting
>>> rid of laws between men and boys they're marching with that, that will
>>> go into.
>>>
>>> http://pandagon.net/2006/10/06/watch-pat-buchanan-play-the-nambla-card-ucc-takes-on-perkins/
>>>
>>>
>>> A statement was made:
>>>
>>> Harry Hay and Rep. Nancy Pelosi both marched in same SF Pride parade
>>> back in 2001. Link to pipelinenews.com Blog pointing this out:
>>>
>>> http://www.pipelinenews.org/bbs/viewpost.cfm?id=11157
>>>
>>> In a "guilt by association" attack, some fundies are taking Answers.com
>>> / Wikipedia entries on the North American Man/Boy Love Association and
>>> associating it Harry Hay, and then associating Harry Hay with Democrats
>>> like Rep. Pelosi. Here's the significance of Harry Hay to all this:
>>>
>>> http://www.answers.com/topic/north-american-man-boy-love-association
>>>
>>> Excerpt: In 1980 a group called the "Lesbian Caucus - Lesbian & Gay
>>> Pride March Committee" distributed a hand-out urging women to split from
>>> the annual New York City Gay Pride March because the organizing
>>> committee had supposedly been dominated by NAMBLA and its supporters.
>>> The next year, after some lesbians threatened to picket, the Cornell
>>> University gay group Gay PAC (Gay People at Cornell) rescinded its
>>> invitation to NAMBLA founder David Thorstad to be the keynote speaker at
>>> the annual May Gay Festival. In the following years, gay rights groups
>>> attempted to block NAMBLA's participation in gay pride parades,
>>> prompting leading gay rights figure Harry Hay to wear a sign proclaiming
>>> "NAMBLA walks with me" as he participated in a 1986 gay pride march in
>>> Los Angeles.
>>>
>>> Gay rights organizations aren't affiliated with NAMBLA, and Pat Buchanan
>>> knows it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Pat Buchanan is a Catholic and he makes donations to the church, the
>>> donations fund Priest salaries, some catholic priests molest boys,
>>> therefore, Pat Buchanan pays Priests to molest boys. So Pat Buchanan is
>>> a monster.
>>>
>>> Comparison given:
>>>
>>> I see no legs here with this story...only Pat knows for sure? He made
>>> the statement so ask Pat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Irish Mike
provide better material than this. This drivel is hardly worth my time to
respond. Take another shot.
Irish Mike
"Bob" <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
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>
> Irish Mike wrote:
>> Newsflash pokerchimp. If you want to defend Nancy Pelosi and a group of
>> gays that allowed NAMBLA, (the North American Man Boy Love Association)
>> to
>> march in their parade, it's your choice and reflects your values. Just
>> accept the fact that our values are very different.
>
>
> That's right. Nancy Pelosi likes parades. Irish Mike likes child
> molesting Catholic priests. We know he does, because he goes to the
> same church as them.
>
> Oh, yeah - I also know that Irish Mike approves of terrorists because
> he marched in a Saint Patrick's Day Parade with the IRA.
>
> But it's your choice and your values, Mike. Just remember that we all
> know you approve of child-molesting and terrorism.
>
> - Bob T.
>
Irish Mike
Billie B. tried it once but she kicked his ass and made him wear an apron
the rest of the day. Billie learned his lesson and swore he would never try
to fight above his weight class again.
Irish Mike
"BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
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BillB
>I agree...nice chatting with you pickle. I think you and I actually agree
>on this.
You're playing kissy face with a guy who has said repeatedly that
homosexuals are not normal? Yuck.
da pickle
> You're playing kissy face with a guy who has said repeatedly that
> homosexuals are not normal? Yuck.
What is the "norm" with regard to sexual orientation in your view, Bill?
Do you believe there is a norm?
Do you believe that anyone deviates from that norm?
FellKnight
Depends on your definition of normal I guess ;) (Devil's advocate)
Fell
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tling
why does a gay pedophile post get more attention than anything poker related?
seems like the RGP community has something on their conscience.......
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A Man Beaten by Jacks
>Patti Beadles wrote:
>> Some gay men are pedophiles. Some straight men are pedophiles.
>> Some gay women and some straight women are pedophiles.
>> I know a woman who was molested by her father. That doesn't mean
>> that all fathers are pedophiles.
>What a perfectly PC post.
If pointing out a screamingly obvious logical fallacy is now "PC," I
guess PC has come to encompass anything resembling being
capable of thought whatsoever. If not to be politically correct is
to be a fucking moron who couldn't see a logical hole you could
drive a Hummer through, then there should be very few people
who aren't PC.
da pickle
>> You're playing kissy face with a guy who has said repeatedly that
>> homosexuals are not normal? Yuck.
>
> Depends on your definition of normal I guess ;) (Devil's advocate)
There's the rub!