OT: Extra points for minorities on Civil Service Exams. Is this still done?
Irish O'Bama
when taking a civil service exam.
Does that still happen? If so, how many extra points are awarded?
risky biz
Do you have any evidence that anything like that ever happened?
I know you get extra points at the neighborhood bar for being Irish.
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Bea Foroni
I don't know.
I do know that when it comes to college entrance consideration, who
your parents are lends so much weight to the appplicant, that a dolt
will be admitted.
I do know that many goverment contracts specify that only those with
experience can bid. Locally we had the city offer for bid management
of parking lots. There has been only one family company that owned and
managed parking lots. The specs for bid stated that only those
companies that had experience managing local parking lots were allowed
to bid. This went on for three generations.
I do know much of goverment contracts are no bid contracts awarded to
the same people for decades.
I do know many job positions are written for a specific person.
"Apllicant must have worked in the office for three months, not missed
more than 12 days and have a working understanding of coffee maker."
I do know that depending on how rich your parents are, your education
is based.
OT:
Irish O'Bama
> On May 25 2009 9:14 AM, Irish O'Bama wrote:
>
> Do you have any evidence that anything like that ever happened?
Maybe it's not that extra points were given, but lower scores were
considered passing. Here's an example:
http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/archives/2006/06/Firefighter-shortfall-diversity/
So Genesis wants the city to pursue a system similar to the Rochester
Police Department's. For more than 30 years, the RPD has operated
under a federal consent decree establishing the ratio of minority new
hires to non-minority.
Fire Chief Floyd Madison agrees that a consent decree would be the
best way to guarantee diversity in the fire department. About a
quarter of the workforce in both the RPD and the Buffalo fire
department, which has also operated under a consent decree since the
1970's, are minorities, he says. New York City's fire department,
which has minority rates as low as Rochester's, is pursuing a decree
of its own. "The consent decree would be the way to go because simply
it's legal," Madison says.
In essence, the consent decree would enable a minority applicant who
scored in the 75th percentile on the civil service exam to be hired
before a white applicant who scored much higher. There are those,
acknowledges Madison, who believe such a system would lower standards.
risky biz
> On May 25, 12:58�pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On May 25 2009 9:14 AM, Irish O'Bama wrote:
>
> >
> > Do you have any evidence that anything like that ever happened?
>
> Maybe it's not that extra points were given, but lower scores were
> considered passing.
Then why in the world did you produce a post that assumed "extra points"
were given? Where did you get that from if not the real world? Could you
explain where that came from? You didn't just think it up yourself, did
you?
> Here's an example:
>
>
http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/archives/2006/06/Firefighter-shortfall-diversity/
>
> So Genesis wants the city to pursue a system similar to the Rochester
> Police Department's. For more than 30 years, the RPD has operated
> under a federal consent decree establishing the ratio of minority new
> hires to non-minority.
>
> Fire Chief Floyd Madison agrees that a consent decree would be the
> best way to guarantee diversity in the fire department. About a
> quarter of the workforce in both the RPD and the Buffalo fire
> department, which has also operated under a consent decree since the
> 1970's, are minorities, he says. New York City's fire department,
> which has minority rates as low as Rochester's, is pursuing a decree
> of its own. "The consent decree would be the way to go because simply
> it's legal," Madison says.
>
> In essence,
In other words: theoretically
> the consent decree would enable a minority applicant who
> scored in the 75th percentile on the civil service exam to be hired
> before a white applicant who scored much higher. There are those,
> acknowledges Madison, who believe such a system would lower standards.
The part you left out was this:
"In fact, the police department has had to seek a variance from its
consent decree when it failed to recruit enough minority applicants to
fill its quota."
Which invalidates the false subtext that someone unable to perform the job
is being hired in preference to someone who is.
You also left this out:
"Because you wrote a 100 or 90 does not make you any better than kids who
wrote 80." A written test, he adds, can't measure one's ability to handle
life-or-death situations.
He has a very good point. Who the hell would ever want to watch basketball
if NBA players were hired on the basis of a written test? Maybe someone
aspiring to make the Special Olympics.
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Irish O'Bama
> You also left this out:
"In fact, the police department has had to seek a variance from its
consent decree when it failed to recruit enough minority applicants
to
fill its quota."
In essence, the consent decree would enable a minority applicant who
scored in the 75th percentile on the civil service exam to be hired
before a white applicant who scored much higher. There are those,
acknowledges Madison, who believe such a system would lower
standards.
So it's a matter of quotas.
ChrisRobin
> On May 25, 12:58�pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On May 25 2009 9:14 AM, Irish O'Bama wrote:
>
> >
> > Do you have any evidence that anything like that ever happened?
>
> Maybe it's not that extra points were given, but lower scores were
> considered passing. Here's an example:
>
>
http://www.rochestercitynewspaper.com/archives/2006/06/Firefighter-shortfall-diversity/
Have you ever been to Rochester? I'd imagine it takes drastic measures to
keep people from fleeing that hellhole en masse.
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risky biz
1. What does "in essence" mean? I've already pointed this out. You seem to
want to ignore what's happening in the real world, i.e., "the police
department has had to seek a variance from its consent decree when it
failed to recruit enough minority applicants", and pretend that the police
department is hiring unqualified candidates. So-called quotas has no
relationship whatsoever to your "extra points" canard which you seem to
want to ignore now.
2. Consent decrees like this require a department to justify why it is not
hiring QUALIFIED minority candidates. It doesn't give "EXTRA POINTS" to
racial minorities, which is the fiction you started with and want to run
away from now.
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number6
> On May 25 2009 9:14 AM, Irish O'Bama wrote:
>
> > I think there was a time when minority people were given extra points
> > when taking a civil service exam.
>
> > Does that still happen? If so, how many extra points are awarded?
>
> Do you have any evidence that anything like that ever happened?
>
Personal knowledge ... more than 40 years ago ... Summer Clerk Carrier
for the post office ... took the test and got the highest mark ... the
highest raw score ... 99.66 ... and never got close to being
called ... They had 10 point veteran freebie which didn't bother
me ... and 20 point minority freebie ... which still irks me ... some
black kid .. better off than me probably ... got a job over me scoring
15 % LOWER than me ...
A Man Beaten by Jacks
wrote:
I don't even fucking believe that you stupid fucking honkey. Nobody
who gets the highest score on a civil service exam writes a piece of
drivel like you just wrote, a screed of drooling half-sentences
punctuated by ellipses. Just get over the fact you're a stupid
fucking honky and lost out on life.
Kill yourself immediately, you dumb honky.
risky biz
So you asked the Federal Government to tell you the score of the guy that
got "your" job, did you? Like the guy at the bus stop in that Tom Hanks
movie said, "That's the best bullshit story I ever heard!"
More likely you finished in the bottom 10%, I'd guess.
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risky biz
Well, he's no Louis-Ferdinand C�line, anyway:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Ferdinand_Celine
"In Conversations with Professor Y (1955) C�line defends his style,
indicating that his heavy use of the ellipsis and his disjointed sentences
are an attempt to embody human emotion in written language."
> Just get over the fact you're a stupid
> fucking honky and lost out on life.
>
> Kill yourself immediately, you dumb honky.
And don't make a public mess while you're doing it.
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Alim Nassor
Yes it happened and I'm pretty sure it still does. I took the
postal exam years ago, minorities got 5 extra points and so did vets.
I think some handicaps got 5 points to because I know several people
there were spotted 15 points.
risky biz
> On May 26, 12:58�am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On May 25 2009 9:14 AM, Irish O'Bama wrote:
> >
> > > I think there was a time when minority people were given extra points
> > > when taking a civil service exam.
> >
> > > Does that still happen? �If so, how many extra points are awarded?
> >
> > Do you have any evidence that anything like that ever happened?
> >
> > I know you get extra points at the neighborhood bar for being Irish.
> >
> Yes it happened and I'm pretty sure it still does. I took the
> postal exam years ago, minorities got 5 extra points and so did vets.
> I think some handicaps got 5 points to because I know several people
> there were spotted 15 points.
The minorities part is horseshit.
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number6
> On Tue, 26 May 2009 19:14:54 -0700 (PDT), number6 <snumb...@aol.com>
Fucking bigoted asshole ... and dumb one too who can't understand a
posting style ...
> Kill yourself immediately, you dumb honky.
No such luck for you ... I will live as long as I can to piss you
off ...
number6
> On May 26 2009 8:14 PM, number6 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 12:58 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > On May 25 2009 9:14 AM, Irish O'Bama wrote:
>
> > > > I think there was a time when minority people were given extra points
> > > > when taking a civil service exam.
>
> > > > Does that still happen? If so, how many extra points are awarded?
>
> > > Do you have any evidence that anything like that ever happened?
>
> > Personal knowledge ... more than 40 years ago ... Summer Clerk Carrier
> > for the post office ... took the test and got the highest mark ... the
> > highest raw score ... 99.66 ... and never got close to being
> > called ... They had 10 point veteran freebie which didn't bother
> > me ... and 20 point minority freebie ... which still irks me ... some
> > black kid .. better off than me probably ... got a job over me scoring
> > 15 % LOWER than me ...
>
> So you asked the Federal Government to tell you the score of the guy that
> got "your" job, did you? Like the guy at the bus stop in that Tom Hanks
> movie said, "That's the best bullshit story I ever heard!"
When I didn't get called I found what the lowest score that got hired
was ... it was something like 105 .. meaning I had no chance
whatsoever of getting the job ...
Believe waht you want bigot ... but those are the facts ... and I know
I can't change a bigot's mind ...
> More likely you finished in the bottom 10%, I'd guess.
>
Yeah ... have fun thinking that .. I have to prove nothing to a loser
like you ...
risky biz
Finish pissing all over yourself first. It's funny.
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risky biz
The facts, as you state them, are that those with a score of 105 or higher
got hired. You, yourself, stated that veterans got a 10 point preference
(probably didn't apply to you since you're a wet pants Republican). But
you decided to think that it wasn't veterans who got hired rather than you
but those hated minorities.
You are a lame sack of waste. Kumbaya.
>
> > More likely you finished in the bottom 10%, I'd guess.
> >
> Yeah ... have fun thinking that .. I have to prove nothing to a loser
> like you ...
Uh, huh. You aren't the loser. You couldn't even land a job delivering
mail. Keep voting Republican, Sad Sack.
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