OT: The Frank Rosenthal Show
Paul Popinjay
before. Do you remember in the movie "Casino" when DeNiro as Sam Rothstein
did this show? Well apparently it was like that in real life too. The
notes say that this is from 1977. That's a long time ago, and I barely
remember that year, but I don't remember any Frank Rosenthal Show. Of
course, now, after Casino has been out, it really is interesting to watch
the real thing. Check it out, it is about 6 minutes, and he is interviewing
Frank Sinatra and Don Rickles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLUpCiRHHcA
It's interesting, the more I learn about the history of Vegas, apparently
the more real the movie Casino becomes. It may have been a movie, but it
wasn't fiction at all. I'm still reading the book about Oscar Goodman, Of
Rats and Men, and it reads just like the movie Casino. Last week when I was
in Vegas, I heard at least a few people say that they wished it were still
like in the days that the mob ran things and not all this corporate bullshit
like nowadays. Many people say Vegas was a lot better back then.
Alim Nassor
wrote:
I read a book written by a former G-Man about Tony Spilotro and the
way things were in Vegas then. I think Spilotro was the character
played by Joe Pesci in Casino. Pretty rough guy.
La Cosa Nostradamus
I always wondered if Heston was playing Moses in them old movies or just
one of the BeeGees.
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La Cosa Nostradamus
From what i understand and asked some older guys, Casino and Bonanno the
last Godfather are the two most accurate movies made about the Mob. Every
detail.
Thanks for the linkage.
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Paul Popinjay
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> I read a book written by a former G-Man about Tony Spilotro and the
> way things were in Vegas then. I think Spilotro was the character
> played by Joe Pesci in Casino. Pretty rough guy.
That's an understatement. Alim, what book was it?
Alim Nassor
> "Alim Nassor" <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I'll have to try to find it, I can't remember the title. I will look
for you.
Clave
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Alim Nassor
Hell that was easy. I thought it might take a while.
"Enforcer" By William F. Roemer JR. Available at Amazon.
Here's the Amazon link.
http://www.amazon.com/Enforcer-William-F-Roemer-Jr/dp/0804113106
K9way
> On Feb 2, 11:07�ｿｽam, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > I just found this on youtube. �ｿｽIt is great, I had never really seen the
show
> > before. �ｿｽDo you remember in the movie "Casino" when DeNiro as Sam Rothstein
> > did this show? �ｿｽWell apparently it was like that in real life too. �ｿｽThe
> > notes say that this is from 1977. �ｿｽThat's a long time ago, and I barely
> > remember that year, but I don't remember any Frank Rosenthal Show. �ｿｽOf
> > course, now, after Casino has been out, it really is interesting to watch
> > the real thing. �ｿｽCheck it out, it is about 6 minutes, and he is
interviewing
> > Frank Sinatra and Don Rickles.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLUpCiRHHcA
> >
> > It's interesting, the more I learn about the history of Vegas, apparently
> > the more real the movie Casino becomes. �ｿｽIt may have been a movie, but it
> > wasn't fiction at all. �ｿｽI'm still reading the book about Oscar Goodman, Of
> > Rats and Men, and it reads just like the movie Casino. �ｿｽLast week when I
was
> > in Vegas, I heard at least a few people say that they wished it were still
> > like in the days that the mob ran things and not all this corporate
bullshit
> > like nowadays. �ｿｽMany people say Vegas was a lot better back then.
>
> I read a book written by a former G-Man about Tony Spilotro and the
> way things were in Vegas then. I think Spilotro was the character
> played by Joe Pesci in Casino. Pretty rough guy.
of course it was tony spilotro .. did you miss all the posts a couple of
months ago .. a friend of mine had several dealings with him and another
friend was a friend of Tony S.
he was involved in the Major Riddle scam at the Dunes and he regularly
took pieces of poker players who did business with him in other "venues"
. this was done for 2 reasons .. one was that he didnt want his best
customers getting cheated by Chip and the gang at the Dunes
all the money fronted for the Major Riddler scam was fronted by Spilotro..
they went from playing 300-600 to playing 4000 -8000
nothing was left to chance
Tony would take 10% and it was amazing how people's luck would change ..
'the boys ' knew better and would never fuck with one of Tony S's partners
They wouldnt even allow them to lose on the 'up and up "
they were afraid to ..
- Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll
just
kill you.
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da pickle
My first visits to LV were in the late 60's ... I did not spend a lot of
time there, but it was a fun place. There were several local lawyers that
visited "regularly" ... one in particular that must have dropped millions
over the years.
Our governor [four terms], EWE, is still in prison just down the road close
to Coushatta Casino and Resort ... to say that he was a regular is an
understatement of an understatement.
I doubt that any definition of "better" could be reasonably applied to that
time in Vegas ... unless, of course, you were on the inside. It has always
been and continues to be an interesting place to visit. I am not sure that
I would want to live there. I have certainly thought about it. Too much
fun to visit ... I would hate to ruin that.
Arlo-Payne
In the 70s Juice was king.
I first hit Vegas in 1974 and I was a rare one I hit town with Juice
already in my pocket.
I walked into the Sahara and was introduced and I started working the net
day. At that time the Sahara card room was a good place to work. In the
70s the life in Vegas was much nicer than anything today. In those days
nobody messed with anyone because they all knew what goes around comes
around. I was tight with Mike Sachs ( Als kid) back then but never asked
for any favors because I did not want to owe anyone at that level or any
level come to think about it.
For any of the history buffs still with us (heres one for you K9way) I
was known as bulletproof due to a little gun play I was involved with at
valet at the Sahara. There are still some old friends there that still
call me bulletproof when they see me. If you wee clean Vegas was great...
no bullshit.... no punks..... no mouths.... just fun sun action class and
ladys.
Eric Drache was someone I really looked up to back then. I am 100% sure I
spent more time on Erics boat than he ever did (thanks Eric :) ) Looking
back at some of the people that were my friends then really blow my mind
they gave a no nothing kid at the time a guiding hand a a leg up when I
needed it. To have people like Roger Moore, Rod Pardee, Roy whitaker,
Tommy Chris, David Hayden and a ton more help you learn 7 stud was just
mind blowing to look back on.
Also My family was good friends with the Pete Licavoli family and the
Bonanno family when they settled in Tucson. We did many hosre trades with
them for their grace ranch. One of the craziest parties I have ever been
to was Kathy Licavolis coming out party. That was one hell of a night. I
remember the valet that parked my Caddie had duel side arms and others
around had auto rifiles. That was just a few months before I headed off
to Vegas.
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Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That would be like screwing without coming.
I lived here for a while in '64. Vegas was mostly Freemont Street. I worked
for the Golden Nugget and my uncle worked for Christensen's Jewelers.
It was the old Vegas. You learned which dealers were Mechanics; who to
borrow money from; who to loan to; where to sell hot goods; which hookers
worked for who. My uncle purchased diamonds for the skimming casinos. I had
juice because my old business partner was pals with the brothers that owned
the Golden Nugget (he taught them how to fly their Blanca). Another shill
and I would go to the strip and play minimum on opposite ends of the crap
table and opposite ends of the odds (Craps v. No Craps). If you made three
or four passes in a row, some big spender would toss you a few chips. And
the gangsters actually looked like gangsters.
Everybody knew everybody and they knew your limit. "What's my limit (on what
I can borrow) here?"
"A thousand."
"I might get drunk; lower my limit to $500."
"Okay." And they'd mark your card. (No computers).
But if you checked the next day; you'd find it was still a thousand. They
knew what you were good for.
--
Now that I'm retired, I moved to Vegas. Best food; best golf; best shopping;
prettiest women and entertainment in the world. It's fun every day.
Sometimes I just sit at Starbuck's sidewalk caf� (in front of Fashion Show
Mall) and watch the tourists enjoying themselves.
"Here, folks; give me your camera and I'll take a picture of both of you."
My pals and I have a 9:30 tee time at Bear's Best (Jack Nicklaus) today.
I love it here. I'm on vacation every day.
Jerry (FOUR!) 'n Vegas
bo dark
Believe his show was only shown locally in Las Vegas Paul. What was
the population of Clark County then , 500,000 ?
lvdlrs
Damn, Jerry you're almost making me nostalgic for my former place of
residence.
Vegas is a place that will do one of two things for you if you live there.
It will either
make you a stronger person or break you in two. If you have a weakness,
Vegas is
there to help you along with it. So it either becomes much worse or you
get smart
and that weakness either no longer exists or is shoved into some corner
where it cannot
hurt you much.
I used to love the action in the pit. Craps was fun and dangerous. I'd
drop a whole weeks
pay on one field bet. Now days when I walk pass the dice table it has the
same effect as if
I were walking past a sofa or other piece of furniture. You learn and get
stronger. This
was only one of my many vices I had when still a young adventurous pup.
Gary (free of rec drugs since Aug 7, 1995) Philips
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lvdlrs
> Eric Drache was someone I really looked up to back then. I am 100% sure I
> spent more time on Erics boat than he ever did (thanks Eric :) )
Years ago when Eric was running the WSOP they had a tournament for the
non-professionals.
I can still remember Eric telling Manning Briggs that he couldn't play in
it and Manning saying
that he could because he had more money coming in from his business than
he did playing.
The very next year and this was not a surprise to me, the WSOP eliminated
the non-professional event.
Gary (...) Philips
hanks
Very nostalgic piece. I was dealing BJ at the El Cortez in 1964.
It was a different world then. Doggy Wayne was with me then.
hanks
K9way
when people get all "ga-ga" over finding out that I lived in Vegas .. I
have repeated those exact words
my feelings exactly ..i never had a pit weakness but I did have a
fondeness for heineken and any 2 cards in a capped pot
- Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll
just
kill you.
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K9way
> On Feb 2 2010 7:36 AM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
>
> > Eric Drache was someone I really looked up to back then. I am 100% sure I
> > spent more time on Erics boat than he ever did (thanks Eric :) )
>
> Years ago when Eric was running the WSOP they had a tournament for the
> non-professionals.
> I can still remember Eric telling Manning Briggs that he couldn't play in
> it and Manning saying
> that he could because he had more money coming in from his business than
> he did playing.
> The very next year and this was not a surprise to me, the WSOP eliminated
> the non-professional event.
>
> Gary (...) Philips
manny was an asshole ..I almost had to fight him one night
- Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll
just
kill you.
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JB
I used to go to Vegas frequently. I thought about getting a job down there
and auditioned at the Stardust. I was offered a job, but decided not to
leave Reno. Probably should have taken the job, at that time the boxman was
cut in for an equal share of tokes on craps tables at the Stardust(didn't
last to long that way, lol) but for a time that was one of the best toke
jobs around. Old memories never die. JB
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K9way
> Man does this bring back some memories. In 1976 when I was dealing in Reno,
> I used to go to Vegas frequently. I thought about getting a job down there
> and auditioned at the Stardust. I was offered a job, but decided not to
> leave Reno. Probably should have taken the job, at that time the boxman was
> cut in for an equal share of tokes on craps tables at the Stardust(didn't
> last to long that way, lol) but for a time that was one of the best toke
> jobs around. Old memories never die. JB
>
I roomed with a dice dealer from the Frontier .. they were one of the last
on the strip to go "table for table "
them days are over !!
are you one of the "joe B's " from the reno tahoe area in the 80's ?
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susan
"K9way"
>
> are you one of the "joe B's " from the reno tahoe area in the 80's ?
I know one - probably late 50s now, nice looking, dark hair. Has a son in
the biz too.