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JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
By Jon Christian Dryer
October 3, 2008
NewsWithViews.com
On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the
federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the
matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was
distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama signed a
breathe of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question:
"Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President
of the United States?"
The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the
question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth
certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United
States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan
grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born
in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her
son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a
pregnant white wife who was close to term.)
Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according
to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya
Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how
Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near
term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her
baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that
shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned
to Hawaii.
Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered
her son's live birth as an event which had just happened-in Hawaii. This
supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a
Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth
certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.
While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared
on the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also
downloaded and used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website,
Daily Kos, it was not an electronic image concocted by Daily KOs as was
hypothesized by a self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber
pseudonym Techdude. It was the real McCoy-even if it was issued as a
political favor to a prospective Democratic presidential candidate by a
Democrat official in Hawaii. The county clerk who issued the document,
which purports to be a copy of an original document, was date stamped
"Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of the birth certificate in blue ink
which bled through and is visible on the front of the electronic image.
Attorney Philip J. Berg, the former head of the Montgomery County.
Pennsylvania Democratic Party and a former member of the Democratic
State Convention and, reportedly a Hillary Clinton supporter, wanted to
learn the truth from the myriad of rumors that also suggested that Sen.
Obama may also have been a citizen of Indonesia. The only consistent
part of the story was Stanley Ann returning to Hawaii to claim he had
been in the United States and was a US citizen. In his ruling, Judge
Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United States District
Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant Barack Hussein
Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to dismiss." The
order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's opposition
to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered that the
motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is denied.
It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to be
turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.
1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long
version) birth certificate; and 2. a certified copy of Obama's
Certificate of Citizenship; 3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of
allegiance."
In his original filing, Berg specifically asked for those three items.
Berg told the court that "...at the time Plaintiff's complaint was
filed, Plaintiff was requesting protections from the court in order to
stop Obama from being nominated by the DNC as the Democratic
Presidential Nominee as Obama is not eligible to serve as President of
the United States. However, Obama was nominated by the DNC...For that
reason, Plaintiff must amend his complaint and will be amending this
complaint to file a First Amendment complaint...."
Berg argued that he felt it was the role of the Federal Election
Commission to ensure that presidential and congressional candidates are
eligible to hold the positions for which they were seeking, and that
those candidates run a fair and legitimate campaign. "In vetting the
presidential candidate," Berg argued, "the DNC and the FEC are required
to ensure the eligibility requirements pursuant to our Constitution are
met and the Presidential nominee, if elected, is qualified and eligible
to serve pursuant to our United States Constitution. In order to be
eligible to run for the Office of President of the United States, you
must be a "natural born" citizen.
"There appears to be no question that Defendant Obama's mother, Stanley
Ann Dunham, was a US citizen. It is also undisputed, however, that his
father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a citizen of Kenya. Obama's parents,
according to divorce recorded, were married on or about February 2,
1961.
"Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. on August 4,
1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.
Obama's grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and
half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. reports
reflect that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy;
however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii.
at her late stage of pregnancy (which apparently are normal
restrictions, to avoid births during flights). By these reports, Stanley
Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home
and registered Obama's birth. There are records of a "registry of birth"
for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in
Hawaii."
Berg's investigators revealed that Obama's own half-sister Maya
Soetoro-with whom he was raised-seemed not to know where her own brother
was born. In the Nov., 2004 interview by the Rainbow Newsletter Maya
Soetoro said Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in
Honolulu, Hawaii. In February, 2008 Maya was interviewed by the Star
Bulletin. This time she told reporters that Obama was born on August 4,
1961 at the Kaliolani Medical Center for Women and Children. On June 9,
2008 Wayne Madsen, a journalist with Online Journal published an article
in which he said a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya and located a
Certificate registering the live birth of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to
his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a US citizen.
Berg's argument to the court was that under the US Nationality Act of
1940, Section 317 (b), a minor child follows the naturalization and
citizenship status of his or her custodial parent. In Obama's case, Berg
argued, a minor child follows the naturalization and citizenship status
of his or her custodial father. Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo
Soetora signed a statement acknowledging Obama as his son, giving Obama
natural Indonesian citizenship, which explains the name "Barry Soetoro"
and his citizenship listed as Indonesian. Loss of US citizenship, under
US law in effect in 1967 required that foreign citizenship be achieved
through "application." Which, according to Berg, is precisely what
happened to Obama when his mother married Soetoro and the family moved
to Indonesia.
When Obama and his mother moved to Indonesia, Obama had already been
enrolled in school-something that could not have happened under
Indonesian law if Soetoro had not signed an acknowledgment (the
application) affirming that Obama was his son, it deemed his son to an
Indonesian State citizen. (Citizenship of Republic of Indonesia, Law No.
9 of 1992 dated 31 mar. 1992, Indonesia Civil Code): "...State children
of Indonesia include: (viii) children who are born outside of legal
marriage from foreign State citizen mother who are acknowledged by
father who is Indonesian State citizen as his children and that
acknowledgment is made prior to children reaching 18 years of age or
prior to marriage; Republic of Indonesia Constitution, 1945."
Furthermore, under Indonesian law, if a resident Indonesian citizen
married a foreigner-in this case, Lolo Soetoro marrying Stanley Ann
Obama-she was required to renounce her US citizenship.
In his lawsuit, Berg demanded a copy of Obama's Certificate of
Citizenship, a document Obama must have applied for to regain his
citizenship-which was lost in Indonesia. He will have that document only
if the proper paperwork was filed with the US State Department when
Obama returned to Hawaii in 1971 since that is the only way Obama could
regain his US "natural born" status. Berg is convinced that Obama was
never naturalized in the United States after his return. Obama returned
to his maternal grandparents in Hawaii without his mother. Since she is
the only one who could have filed for the reinstatement of his
citizenship, it is unlikely it ever happened. If it did, his Certificate
of Citizenship would affirm his right to seek the office of President.
Without it, Barack Obama is just another resident alien who can't
legally hold his seat in
BillB
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> JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
brewmaster
As usual, you are missing the point. The lawsuit doesn't say that the
birth certificate is a fake. They are demanding proof that what
Obama's grandmother says, specifically that he was born in Kenya not
Hawaii, is false. We all know that the Hawaii issued birth certificate
is valid. What is uncertain is whether Obama was born in Kenya or
Hawaii.
Susan
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Not missing the point? He has no way to know the point. Anything not
pro-Obama isn't worth reading.
BillB
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>>> JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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>> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
>
> As usual, you are missing the point. The lawsuit doesn't say that the
> birth certificate is a fake. They are demanding proof that what Obama's
> grandmother says, specifically that he was born in Kenya not Hawaii, is
> false. We all know that the Hawaii issued birth certificate is valid.
> What is uncertain is whether Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii.
No, it's you who is missing the point. Let me spell out the salient sentence
for you:
Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
Do you get the point now?
brewmaster
And they base that on the birth certificate. I suppose Obama's
grandmother is a partisan "repig", huh?
BillB
> On 2008-10-05 12:05:47 -0700, "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> said:
> And they base that on the birth certificate. I suppose Obama's
> grandmother is a partisan "repig", huh?
I am not familiar with the term repig. It's certainly not something I would
ever write, so I hope those quotation marks are not meant to represent a
quote by me.
It's my understanding that the grandmother is dead. Maybe Obama murdered
her! After all, he hasn't proven he didn't! Where's there's smoke there's
fire!
Are you aware of the plaintiff's legal history? He is in the process of
appealing sanctions and fines from his bar association. He is bankrupt. He
cites his successful prosecution of a case protecting the rights of circus
elephants as evidence of his competency running "big cases". You can't make
this stuff up! And the capper? He's the same guy who filed a RICO action (on
behalf of William Rodriguez), later abandoned, against George W. Bush et al.
for orchestrating the 9/11 attacks:
"In October 2004, Rodriguez sued the President of the United States and 155
other parties, accusing them of complicity in the 9/11 attacks. His 237-page
civil lawsuit[20] included allegations pursuant to the RICO, directed
against The United States Of America, the Federal Emergency Management
Agency, the Department of Homeland Security, George Herbert Walker Bush,
George Walker Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald H. Rumsfeld,and numerous others,
totaling 156 defendants[21] in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern
District of Pennsylvania.
In his lawsuit, Rodriquez made hundreds of allegations, including - but not
limited to - allegations that the Twin Towers were destroyed by means of
"controlled demolitions"; that members of the FDNY were ordered, on
instructions of the CIA, not to talk about it; that the FDNY conspired with
Larry Silverstein to deliberately destroy 7WTC; that missiles were fired at
the Twin Towers from "pods" affixed to the underside of the planes that
struck them; that FEMA is working with the US government to create "American
Gulag" concentration camps which FEMA will run once the government's plan to
impose martial law is in place; that phone calls made by some of the
victims, as reported by their family members, were not actually made but
were "faked" by the government using "voice morphing" technology; that a
missile, not American Airlines Flight 77, struck the Pentagon; that United
Airlines Flight 93 was shot down by the US military; that the defendants had
foreknowledge of the attacks and actively conspired to bring them about;
that the defendants engaged in kidnapping, arson, murder, treason,
conspiracy, trafficking in narcotics, embezzlement, securities fraud,
insider trading, identity and credit card theft, blackmail, trafficking in
humans, and the abduction and sale of women and children for sex. In his
Complaint, Rodriquez also alleged that he "single-handedly rescued fifteen
(15) persons from the WTC" [22]. No evidence in support of any of
Rodriguez's claims was ever provided by Rodriguez."
Have you ever heard the phrase "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary
evidence"? Unfortunately for Mr. Berg, he appears to have *no* evidence
other than double or triple hearsay and his own say-so. This case has
"frivolous lawsuit" written all over it in BIG RED LETTERS. Good luck to
him.
I don't suppose you or Susan would like to place a wager on the case's
ultimate success? I am prepared to offer generous odds.
brewmaster
No wager, as I've been sure since the start that the case had no merit,
and I never said the birth certificate wasn't real. I didn't know the
grandmother was dead, but it sounds as if she did say the things she
was credited with saying. In any event, I have already begun to steel
myself to the notion that Obama will be president. As I stated in
another post, whether I agree with the person's politics or not, I
believe that the man holding the office of president of the U.S.
deserves our respect. Even GWB.
brewmaster
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> "brewmaster" <brewm...@brewcam.com> wrote in message
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>> On 2008-10-05 12:05:47 -0700, "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> said:
>
>> And they base that on the birth certificate. I suppose Obama's
>> grandmother is a partisan "repig", huh?
>
> I am not familiar with the term repig. It's certainly not something I would
> ever write, so I hope those quotation marks are not meant to represent a
> quote by me.
Sorry, didn't mean to attribute a slur to you that you didn't use. Man
gangbanged by fags uses it all the time.
A...@texas.net
has not experienced their entire life in the United States from
becoming a leader of people that have.
It's also to help prevent a person that moves here from another
country and use our government for the purposes of another government.
Technically Obama might not be able to meet the hard point of actually
being born here. Absence of evidence which I would think would be
provided to bolster the natural born argument leads me to assume Obama
does meet the reasoning for the clause.
I hope this issue is resolved before election. Looks like Hillary
might be coming back after all.
AJ
A Man Beaten by Jacks
wrote:
>> I am not familiar with the term repig. It's certainly not something I would
>> ever write, so I hope those quotation marks are not meant to represent a
>> quote by me.
>Sorry, didn't mean to attribute a slur to you that you didn't use. Man
>gangbanged by fags uses it all the time.
So this is more of that language you commend to me as showing how
classy you are and how you never resort to vile sexual slurs.
Good going, scumbag. ROTFL @ your pathetic stupidity, you lowlife.
brewmaster
> The whole point of the natural born clause is to prevent someone who
> has not experienced their entire life in the United States from
> becoming a leader of people that have.
Really? Wow, thanks for clearing that up. I guess McCain should drop
out too then, huh? I mean, he was born in Panama and lived all those
years in Vietnam...
brewmaster
What make you think I was talking about you?
Schmedley
Look again. Berg v Obama
http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/
The filing (#13) is plaintiff's response to a motion to dismiss. It
includes a draft order for the Judge to sign if he agrees. It is not
signed, since the hearing on the motion has not occurred yet. The original
motion (#12) also includes a draft Order.
You don't have to understand federal civil procedure to get by, but please
don't hyperventilate over routine stuff.
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Susan
"Schmedley" <schme...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Look again. Berg v Obama
> http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/
>
> The filing (#13) is plaintiff's response to a motion to dismiss. It
> includes a draft order for the Judge to sign if he agrees. It is not
> signed, since the hearing on the motion has not occurred yet. The
> original motion (#12) also includes a draft Order.
>
> You don't have to understand federal civil procedure to get by, but please
> don't hyperventilate over routine stuff.
He posted an article of interest to many and he is hyper-ventillating? A
little defensive are we?
Schmedley
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The OP, in all caps:
JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Which, of course, is untrue. But don't let facts get in the way.
Joe Long
> No, it's you who is missing the point. Let me spell out the salient sentence
> for you:
>
> Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.
>
> Do you get the point now?
I cannot say whether Obama was born in Hawaii or Kenya. It looks pretty
clear that the Honolulu certificate is real. But that does not prove
that he was actually born in Honolulu. His mother could have registered
his birth after flying back with him from Kenya as the rumors suggest.
No conspiracy is necessary, an announcement would have been duly printed
in the local paper. It would depend on how thoroughly the Department of
Health verified the information.
People do such things, you know. My wife's mother got knocked up before
marriage, and in an attempt to hide it planned to fly from her home in
Philadelphia to Miami to have the kid. Unfortunately, my wife came
early, before her mother made the flight. So her mother took a
prematurely-born infant on a plane to Miami, returning several months
later, and reporting her birthdate as being after the return. My wife
didn't know about this until she was an adult, she grew up thinking her
birthday was in May instead of January.
The point being, you don't have to have planned on running for President
when a few days old to falsely register a birth. There's lots of
reasons for doing it. Why would anyone be surprised that the American
family of a child born overseas but brought back to the U.S. within days
of his birth, would want the child to have an American birth
certificate, and would send a birth announcement to the local papers?
Something pertinent that I didn't see addressed is, what was the
standard for issuing a birth certificate in Honolulu in 1961? Did the
hospital have to verify the info with the long form? If so, what about
a home birth (which might not even have a doctor present)? What was the
standard then? The web page didn't identify a hospital.
I didn't see anything on the factcheck.org page about a court case. If
the story of a pending case is true, it could get interesting. Again,
it isn't just an issue of whether the birth certificate is a real,
properly-registered document, if the information on it is not correct.
Finally, I want to stress again that I am making NO claim that the
information on the certificate is false. I have no way to know. At
this point, I simply find the case interesting.
--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range
pokertoker
>
http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/pennsylvania/paedce/2:2008cv04083/281573/
>
> The filing (#13) is plaintiff's response to a motion to dismiss. It
> includes a draft order for the Judge to sign if he agrees. It is not
> signed, since the hearing on the motion has not occurred yet. The
original
> motion (#12) also includes a draft Order.
>
> You don't have to understand federal civil procedure to get by, but please
> don't hyperventilate over routine stuff.
>
Above dated Sept. 29,
Below dated Oct. 3,
United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on
defendant Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's
motion to dismiss." The order continued,
"Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's opposition to said motion and
for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered that the motion to dismiss
pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is denied.
It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to be
turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.
----
A little tricky there counselor but no sale. The point being for all the
leftwingnut fringe doofus garbage - do you really think "W" will relinquish
control of the U.S. Gov't to some guy born in Africa? Or perhaps will he do
what this demwit congress critter tried to sell over the bailout bill?
Martial Law: Good Times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8&eurl=http://pacificfreepress.com/content/view/3130/1/
No way will Obama be allowed to take the oath of office. And remember, we're
the side with the police, the military and 250,000,000 guns at home - rotf.
If you had any balls you'd be down at the court house filing a few motions
yourself. But ah, nah - not going to happen. "Wouldn't be prudent," as
someone use to say.
Let's see, Omama asks the plagiarist to step down. Then he asks Ally G to co
me on board. Then the Oman steps down and the inventor of both the
inter-tubes and global toasting moves up to the numro-uno position and asks
she who would be president to come on board as number two - and I don't mean
that in a nice way. Its a whole new ball game. McC and the hot chick will
still win in a landslide and it will be four more years of the same ol same
ol. Either that or an indefinite period of MARTIAL LAW....weeeeeeeeeeee.
Personally me and mine will be on board the ol Blue Water halfway across the
Pacific by the time it hits the fan - Denmark here we come. Light'em if ya
got'em.
May hit Switzerland first though.
Good luck with that whole Obama thing. No one will be looking to blame your
side for the problem. Nah, the new government will protect you too. Maybe.
Perhaps.
err, whatever. Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose....
pokertoker
A
> > little defensive are we?
> >
>
> The OP, in all caps:
>
> JUDGE ORDERS OBAMA TO PRODUCE BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Mine was in the subject line - the caps belonged to the article. Idiot.
> Which, of course, is untrue. But don't let facts get in the way.
Nigga please.
Kingo Gondo
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The actual point is that many people are just afraid to come out and say "I
hate niggers" so you want up with them spewing a million other non-issues.
Schmedley
> On 2008-10-05 13:47:36 -0700, "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> > No wager, as I've
> birth certificate wasn't real. I didn't know the grandmother was dead,
> but it sounds as if she did say the things she was credited with saying.
> In any event, I have already begun to steel myself to the notion that
> Obama will be president. As I stated in another post, whether I agree
> with the person's politics or not, I believe that the man holding the
> office of president of the U.S. deserves our respect. Even GWB.
>
I am pretty sure the grandmother is still alive, in a condo in Hawaii. She
is 85 or so years old and in poor health.
Robert Ladd
She's one of the few people in the world that Hillary Clinton is trying to
keep alive.
Robert Ladd
BillB
> I am pretty sure the grandmother is still alive, in a condo in Hawaii.
> She is 85 or so years old and in poor health.
Thanks for the correction. I was mistaken. I read an interview with Phillip
Berg in which he said "I'm not sure if she's still living". I either
misread it or misremembered it.