The horrific experience of an ex-slave

[risky biz]

A slave on the plantation of racist Confederate President Jefferson Davis. Hoesewhippings, backbreaking labor, treated like animals.

Ex-Slave George Johnson | "Confederate President Jefferson Davis was my master."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN-p98lYOnQ

[da pickle]

Obviously you did NOT watch the video ... serious mistake.

[Splashie]

Holy fuck, you are even dumber than I thought.

Risky is putting this video up as part of his ongoing campaign to make it seem like slavery really wasn't all that bad. He's on your racist side in this one.

Michael

[risky biz]

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:19:17 AM UTC-7, Splashie wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:13:45 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
> > On 10/19/2021 11:08 AM, risky biz wrote:
> > > A slave on the plantation of racist Confederate President Jefferson Davis. Hoesewhippings, backbreaking labor, treated like animals.
> > >
> > > Ex-Slave George Johnson | "Confederate President Jefferson Davis was my master."
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN-p98lYOnQ
> > >

> > Obviously you did NOT watch the video ... serious mistake.

~ Holy fuck, you are even dumber than I thought.

>
> Risky is putting this video up as part of his ongoing campaign to make it seem like slavery really wasn't all that bad. He's on your racist side in this one.
>
> Michael

So Ex-Slave George Johnson is my accomplice in 'making it seem that slavery was something other than what it was'? Quite obviously, George Johnson and his ancestors are way smarter than you are.

Slavery was what it was. Anything which brings into focus the entire fabric or reveals the slightest speck of dissonance from the fairy tale version wired into your consciousness must elicit an actual physical panic that is far more potent than your brain.

[Splashie]

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/ex-slave-george-johnson-confederate-president-jefferson-davis-was-my-master.185741/

"The slaves would give contradictory information concerning the same issue. In the worst cases, one person would give different stories on the same issue. Apparently, the slaves had learnt the skill of telling people what they wanted to hear; for instance, Susan Hamlin's interview on her experiences as a slave. On one side, she told Butler, a white interviewer, that slavery was a very pleasant human encounter, and her master was one of the greatest persons that she ever met. She confessed that slaves were treated fairly well without any form of mistreatment. On the other side, when interviewed by Ladson, a black interviewer, she detailed the brutalities of slavery and branded it an inhuman act."

Michael

[Bill Vanek]

On Oct 19, 2021, Splashie wrote
(in article<ecb017e5-e026-46ad...@googlegroups.com>):

> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:48:21 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:19:17 AM UTC-7, Splashie wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:13:45 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
> > > > On 10/19/2021 11:08 AM, risky biz wrote:
> > > > > A slave on the plantation of racist Confederate President Jefferson
> > > > > Davis. Hoesewhippings, backbreaking labor, treated like animals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ex-Slave George Johnson | "Confederate President Jefferson Davis was my
> > > > > master."
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN-p98lYOnQ
> >
> > > > Obviously you did NOT watch the video ... serious mistake.

So, as a liberal, you know precisely where the truth lies? We all know
slavery was an evil thing, and it still is. There is really no reason to make
it worse than it was. That’s like exaggerating Hitler’s evil. What’s
the point?

[risky biz]

On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 11:15:36 AM UTC-7, Splashie wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:48:21 AM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:19:17 AM UTC-7, Splashie wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:13:45 AM UTC-7, da pickle wrote:
> > > > On 10/19/2021 11:08 AM, risky biz wrote:
> > > > > A slave on the plantation of racist Confederate President Jefferson Davis. Hoesewhippings, backbreaking labor, treated like animals.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ex-Slave George Johnson | "Confederate President Jefferson Davis was my master."
> > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN-p98lYOnQ
> > > > >
> >
> > > > Obviously you did NOT watch the video ... serious mistake.
> > ~ Holy fuck, you are even dumber than I thought.
> > >
> > > Risky is putting this video up as part of his ongoing campaign to make it seem like slavery really wasn't all that bad. He's on your racist side in this one.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > So Ex-Slave George Johnson is my accomplice in 'making it seem that slavery was something other than what it was'? Quite obviously, George Johnson and his ancestors are way smarter than you are.
> >
> > Slavery was what it was. Anything which brings into focus the entire fabric or reveals the slightest speck of dissonance from the fairy tale version wired into your consciousness must elicit an actual physical panic that is far more potent than your brain.

~ https://civilwartalk.com/threads/ex-slave-george-johnson-confederate-president-jefferson-davis-was-my-master.185741/

>
> "The slaves would give contradictory information concerning the same issue. In the worst cases, one person would give different stories on the same issue. Apparently, the slaves had learnt the skill of telling people what they wanted to hear; for instance, Susan Hamlin's interview on her experiences as a slave. On one side, she told Butler, a white interviewer, that slavery was a very pleasant human encounter, and her master was one of the greatest persons that she ever met. She confessed that slaves were treated fairly well without any form of mistreatment. On the other side, when interviewed by Ladson, a black interviewer, she detailed the brutalities of slavery and branded it an inhuman act."
>
> Michael

And, of course, unquestionably, black interviewers are the ones seeking the truth and George Johnson lived in deathly fear of white interviewers 76 years after the end of slavery. Check the time elapsed math on that. I might have been off by several months and you can try to change the subject to that.

BTW, how did you leap to the conclusion that George Johnson's interviewer is white? The interviewer's name is Dr. Charles S. Johnson. For all you know he could be George Johnson's son.

And this is where you got that:
https://ivypanda.com/essays/the-view-from-the-bottom-by-james-davidson-and-hamilton-lytle/

And they included an ad for their services:
'We will write a custom Essay on “The View from the Bottom” by James Davidson and Hamilton Lytle specifically for you
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Say, 'splashie'- you seem to be a clever fellow sometimes. Why not just make up your own bullshit?

But in other respects, you're rather dense. The link I provided above to George Johnson's testimony lists on the sidebar plenty of other slave narratives many of which actually are horrific- sales of the children of slaves, for one example. And those, of course, must have all been interviewed by black interviewers rather than evil white interviewers.

You're a sad case. Grow up.

[Splashie]

I'm not exaggerating anything. Risky is the one trying to minimize it. Ask him what the point is.

Michael

[risky biz]

~ I'm not exaggerating anything. Risky is the one trying to minimize it. Ask him what the point is.
>
> Michael


First of all, that wasn't me talking, 'splashy'. It was the oral testimony of Mr. George Johnson who was an actual slave of the President of the Confederacy. Maybe you got yourself confused.

The point is the kind of compelling living history that oral testimonies can provide. I'm sorry for you that you hate that ex-slave so much. Do you wish he had died in infancy?

Listen to Mr. Johnson sing 'Old Black Joe'. By some miracle, it may soften your heart against him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPjQFJ_cA1E

If not, you can find many oral histories of former slaves on YouTube that describe cruel slave masters. Occupy yourself with only those if it's what makes you happy.

[Dutch]

And you dig up the Uncle Tom stories because they make *you feel good.
Ain't the internet great??

[risky biz]

~ And you dig up the Uncle Tom stories because they make *you feel good.

> Ain't the internet great??

How cute- a whitey in Canada calling someone who lived through slavery an Uncle Tom. Why? Because the truth he relates reveals that your comfortably false consciousness may not be exactly what it's claimed to be. LOL.

I read and study history. All of it. I don't recall any of it ever 'making me feel good'. It's pretty obvious that both you and 'splashy' expect exactly that and choose it carefully from the menu.

[Splashie]

It wasn't you talking. It WAS you posting a carefully selected video (from among the many others you admit describe cruelty). Every single one of your posts concerning slavery comes from the perspective of engaging in whataboutism (there's poverty in Africa so slavery was a more comfortable life) or citing examples of slaves who were treated relatively well. You also seem to have a really weird need to defend Jefferson Davis, a traitor to America. All of this behavior on your part illustrates YOU minimizing the evils of slavery - which is evil no matter how well the slaves are treated, unless you disagree with the notion that the very concept of owning another human being as property is morally repugnant on its face. So again, what's the point of posting this recording? You don't see me posting videos saying Nazis are bad and slavery is wrong, those should be givens in basically everyone's book nowadays as Vanek pointed out.

Michael

[risky biz]

~ It wasn't you talking. It WAS you posting a carefully selected video (from among the many others you admit describe cruelty). Every single one of your posts concerning slavery comes from the perspective of engaging in whataboutism (there's poverty in Africa so slavery was a more comfortable life)

I don't consider that true. It seems that you fear it is. That makes you a closet whatabouter.

~ or citing examples of slaves who were treated relatively well. You also seem to have a really weird need to defend Jefferson Davis, a traitor to America.

The truth about Jefferson Davis' relationship with his slaves is a defense against what- only your preference for having a false and undisturbed belief of his relationship with his slaves.

And the subject is interesting in and of itself considering Davis' public comments on race and very different personal relationships with his own slaves.

In addition to that, I take some little personal interest in him because I have heard that a distant female relative of mine was married to his brother.

~ All of this behavior on your part illustrates YOU minimizing the evils of slavery - which is evil no matter how well the slaves are treated, unless you disagree with the notion that the very concept of owning another human being as property is morally repugnant on its face.

'the very concept of owning another human being as property is morally repugnant'. That's nearly exactly what I have said before right here at RGP. I hope that doesn't disappoint you.

~ So again, what's the point of posting this recording? You don't see me posting videos saying Nazis are bad and slavery is wrong, those should be givens in basically everyone's book nowadays as Vanek pointed out.
>
> Michael

I see you posting a FOURTH, discombobulated comment in this short thread. Popping balloons is childish fun but I might not have if I knew beforehand that you and 'dutch' would go down like the Hindenburg.

But don't count on it.