OT : The Lesson of Lincoln

mo_ntresor

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Nov 19, 2012, 11:21:10 AM11/19/12

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the movie wasn't preachy, though it began unpromisingly. the stories,
dialogue, and politics were fascinating, but the movie ran a half hour
long. the big lesson was bipartisanship (to unite):

don't grind your enemies to dust; don't take everything you can and feel
you deserve. to achieve a meaningful, peaceful end, you must GIVE.

the republicans and abe gave obama the chance to be president. maybe he
could learn a few lessons from them.

mo_ntresor

halfpastdead

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Nov 19, 2012, 11:48:08 AM11/19/12

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Yep.. the Repugs are the party of "compassion" .. its a shame they dont
know it

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mo_ntresor

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Nov 19, 2012, 11:51:46 AM11/19/12

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On Nov 19 2012 9:48 AM, halfpastdead wrote:

> > don't grind your enemies to dust; don't take everything you can and feel
> > you deserve. to achieve a meaningful, peaceful end, you must GIVE.
>
> Yep.. the Repugs are the party of "compassion" .. its a shame they dont
> know it

i'll wait for people who can dress and feed themselves to weigh in.

mo_ntresor

brewmaster

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Nov 19, 2012, 12:36:03 PM11/19/12

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I'm looking forward to seeing it, maybe Wednesday when I plan to play
hookey from work (hey you know who, don't tell you know who :). I just
finished reading O'Reilly's Killing Lincoln, and it was really good, but
of course that was just about the last few days of Lincoln's life.

mockinjay

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Nov 19, 2012, 1:52:46 PM11/19/12

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On Nov 19 2012 10:21 AM, mo_ntresor wrote:

For some reason I was left thinking about 'Saving Private Ryan.'

"I hope that at least in your eyes, I've earned what all of you have done
for me."

So many died to free the slaves and I have never heard any African
American recognize that. Just sayin, I never have.

Mossingen

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Nov 19, 2012, 2:07:14 PM11/19/12

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I'm looking forward to this movie, probably will see it this weekend.
Spielberg is Speilberg, and Day-Lewis is a terrific actor (Gangs of New York
wasn't all that good a movie, but his performance of the the Butcher was
very good).

O-PGManager

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Nov 19, 2012, 4:08:55 PM11/19/12

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Read Doris Kearns Goodwin book. Lincoln held the union together
(including 5 slave states) by convincing everyone they were NOT fighting
to free the slaves.

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mockinjay

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Nov 19, 2012, 6:00:40 PM11/19/12

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The movie made that clear, but it also made it clear they took that
approach to get it passed, not because that was their real intent.

O-PGManager

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Nov 20, 2012, 3:02:22 AM11/20/12

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The movie covered about 15 pages of the 800 page book. The point is
throughout the entire war the union soldiers were not dying for the slaves.

mo_ntresor

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Nov 20, 2012, 8:48:06 AM11/20/12

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On Nov 20 2012 1:02 AM, O-PGManager wrote:

> > The movie made that clear, but it also made it clear they took that
> > approach to get it passed, not because that was their real intent.
>
> The movie covered about 15 pages of the 800 page book. The point is
> throughout the entire war the union soldiers were not dying for the slaves.

they were dying for republicans and "the rich"!!

mo_ntresor

mockinjay

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Nov 20, 2012, 9:20:12 AM11/20/12

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You can spin it any way you like, but it resulted in slaves being freed
and men dying for that cause.

http://www.livescience.com/13673-civil-war-anniversary-myths.html

The most widespread myth is also the most basic. Across America, 60
percent to 75 percent of high-school history teachers believe and teach
that the South seceded for state's rights, said Jim Loewen, author of
"Lies My Teacher Told Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got
Wrong" (Touchstone, 1996) and co-editor of "The Confederate and
Neo-Confederate Reader: The 'Great Truth' about the 'Lost Cause'"
(University Press of Mississippi, 2010).

"It's complete B.S.," Loewen told LiveScience. "And by B.S., I mean 'bad
scholarship.'"

In fact, Loewen said, the original documents of the Confederacy show quite
clearly that the war was based on one thing: slavery. For example, in its
declaration of secession, Mississippi explained, "Our position is
thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest
material interest of the world … a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce
and civilization." In its declaration of secession, South Carolina
actually comes out against the rights of states to make their own laws —
at least when those laws conflict with slaveholding. "In the State of New
York even the right of transit for a slave has been denied by her
tribunals," the document reads. The right of transit, Loewen said, was the
right of slaveholders to bring their slaves along with them on trips to
non-slaveholding states.

phlash74

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Nov 21, 2012, 8:21:15 AM11/21/12

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Spielberg being Spielberg is the only thing that might dissuade me from
seeing "Lincoln". Fucker's gotten way too preachy. I agree with you about
Day-Lewis, he's incredible. And yeah, "Gangs of New York" sucked balls
with the notable exception of Day-Lewis' performance.

Michael

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