Newbie Question - Please explain Straddle in detail
Debbie in Ohio
I've been playing poker now for about 5 weeks, and until yesterday, totally
online.
Reason is that I'm in the Poker Desert of Ohio ... where the closest live
poker, is 130 to 140 miles one way, away from me (at Caesars by Louisville,
Ky).
Well, yesterday, I decided to try my first live game (which btw ... for the
most part, I loved a LOT better than online), so I drove up there.
I was quite nervous, and as it was quite obvious to all I was a newbie (my
tells were leaking all over the place), I didn't hide this fact (later, as
the game progressed, I became of what my tells were, I also began to show
the tells when I had NOTHING and won a few pots that way).
I did quite well, as I sat down with 200 bucks, and at one point had my
total chips up to 500 bucks. In the end, I left with $165 of pure profit.
In any case, the lowest limit HE table they had, was the 3/6, so I waited an
hour for a chair to become open. Lady luck was already on my side, as I
played some neighboring slots, and won 200 bucks while I was waiting for a
chair at the tables.
My name was then called, and I sat down and got the Big Slick right away,
and that's when I knew my tells were leaking BAD ... because the 3 guys at
the end of table, I could hear them whispering to each other ... she's got a
big hand (lol).
In any case, to my question at hand. I played for several hours doing
pretty good (most of the table was afraid of me, because I was on a serious
rush), and about 10pm people started to leave, and there was no one waiting,
so we played with less people.
Suddenly at about 10:30pm this guy came from the 5/10 table because there
wasn't enough people there playing, and sat down at our table. I was
sitting next to the big blind, and about to put my 3 bucks in, when the
dealer tells me that's not enough because someone had called something
called 'straddle'.
When I tried to find out more about what this was from the dealer, he
ridiculed me and said 'your sitting at a live table, and you don't know what
a straddle is' treating me like I was a real idiot.
Now, before we had gotten this dealer, most at the table (including the
other dealers (who were very nice and instructive to me) before this one)
knew it was my first time sitting at live table, as I'd done all my playing
before online.
So, I said no, I don't know what a straddle is, and explained to him, that
as until that day, I had played online, and the dealer, told me I shouldn't
be sitting at a live table then, if I didn't know what a straddle was.
I glared at him, and said, maybe so ... but I'm here now, so please explain
it. The dealer didn't really explain it, but simply said that I had to ante
up 6 bucks to get into the pot.
This other guy (of course) that came from the 5/10 table, then every chance
he got, proceeded to call straddle.
Now, I know a little about kill buttons, but could someone please explain in
more detail (than the rude dealer did), what exactly a straddle is, and how
it works?
Can it be declared at random, or must it be a table that has it declared
that Straddles are allowed?
Any help in understanding this, would be much appreciated.
Thanks!
Rich
> Can it be declared at random, or must it be a table that has it declared
> that Straddles are allowed?
The rules depend specifically on where you are. Basically, a straddle is
like another blind, posted by the person to the left of the big blind.
I've only seen it done at 2X the amount of the big blind.
If it's allowed, it's up to the person in that seat whether they want to
do it for not. Usually people do this when they want more action.
If I asked a question like that and the dealer got smart I would call for
the floor person.
Rich
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Debbie in Ohio
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So, are you saying that I could of refused to allow the straddle, or is it's
(only) up the Big Blind person to call it or not, and the person sitting
next to them, has no choice?
What of the ppl after the straddled person? Do they also have to double
their bets to get into the pot for the flop? Does the straddle have to be
declared by the BB before any cards were dealt (I ask because many times I
noticed at this table, the dealers were dealing BEFORE the big and small
blinds actually posted their blinds).
Thanks!
I agree about the dealer ... next time I'll know to call the floor person.
This time I was caught off guard ... both by this strange term, and by the
dealers attitude towards me.
Lord Thanatos
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> Rich <anon...@paranoid.org> wrote in message
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> > On Aug 11 2003 3:07PM, Debbie in Ohio wrote:
> >
> > > Can it be declared at random, or must it be a table that has it
declared
> > > that Straddles are allowed?
> >
> > The rules depend specifically on where you are. Basically, a straddle is
> > like another blind, posted by the person to the left of the big blind.
> > I've only seen it done at 2X the amount of the big blind.
> >
> > If it's allowed, it's up to the person in that seat whether they want to
> > do it for not. Usually people do this when they want more action.
> >
> > If I asked a question like that and the dealer got smart I would call
for
> > the floor person.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rich
> >
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> >
>
> So, are you saying that I could of refused to allow the straddle, or is
it's
> (only) up the Big Blind person to call it or not, and the person sitting
> next to them, has no choice?
A Straddle is a Blind Raise that is Live. Anyone who is sitting in the 1st
position after the Big Blind May Call "Straddle" and place a bet equal to
double the Big Blind in front of them if the cards have NOT been dealt yet.
The Straddle is Live and the Straddler has the option of raising again after
everyone has acted. Most people in the big blind do not like this move but
they cannot stop it (If the casino allow a Straddle).
>
> What of the ppl after the straddled person? Do they also have to double
> their bets to get into the pot for the flop?
Some places allow Multiple straddles but they must be in order.
Typical 3-6 game example:
Position 1 = Small Blind for $1
Position 2 = Big Blind for $3
Position 3 = May Straddle $6 (The Straddle has the option of reraising
after the big blind has acted)
Position 4 = (In some places) may re-Straddle for $9 (Also has the option to
raise). But if Position 3 does not straddle then 4 does not have this
option.
If this is the case do not play any hand you are not confortable playing for
$12 to $15 preflop because that is what it will be before the flop. Just
fold your Big Blind hand and wait for the next hand. Stay at that table
though because solid play will make money over time at a table with player
that like to straddle.
Does the straddle have to be
> declared by the BB before any cards were dealt (I ask because many times I
> noticed at this table, the dealers were dealing BEFORE the big and small
> blinds actually posted their blinds).
All Straddles must be announced before the cards are dealt.
>
> Thanks!
>
> I agree about the dealer ... next time I'll know to call the floor person.
> This time I was caught off guard ... both by this strange term, and by the
> dealers attitude towards me.
Definately call the floor over and politely explain that this is your first
time playing live and the dealer is being rude and refusing to answer a
simple question. Make sure to do it right in front of the dealer.
A Final note on straddleing, It is a Losing bet!! The only time a Straddle
makes since is when you are stuck at table full of rocks and want to loosen
up the table or if you really want to piss off the Big Blind.
LT
ACTexas97
(only) up the Big Blind person to call it or not, and the person sitting next
to them, has no choice?
What of the ppl after the straddled person? Do they also have to double their
bets to get into the pot for the flop? Does the straddle have to be declared
by the BB before any cards were dealt (I ask because many times I noticed at
this table, the dealers were dealing BEFORE the big and small blinds actually
posted their blinds)."
Debbie,
First of all, the following is based on my play in over 100 different card
rooms across the US so I think they are pretty universal rules but there are
probably exceptions. That being said, here is my answer to your question
regarding straddles:
(1) First of all, assuming straddles are allowed (never seen a card room where
they weren't) there is only one person at the table that can straddle and that
is the person to the left of the big blind.
(2) The straddle is twice the big blind and is live (the person that straddled
can raise if if it called or folded around to him or her).
(3) You can't be forced to straddle! I have seen cases where a table agrees to
straddle for a round or two but if anyone objects it doesn't go. That doesn't
mean there wouldn't be pressure to go along!
(4) If you were under the gun (as I understand it) I don't see how the dealer
could force you to straddle! There is no way you could be forced to do so.
Again, no one declares a table to require straddles unless everyone agrees, it
is an individual decison. Unless you heard everyone agree to straddle (and you
went along with it) I would tell the dealer to go to hell!
Hope this helps, E-mail or reply if you have any questions.
Alan in Plano,TX
Debbie in Ohio
Lord Thanatos <Thana...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Thanks LT .... Perhaps I should rephrase my first question you asked.
Okay, the guy announced straddle (though I didn't hear him), and I didn't
find out about it, until AFTER the cards were dealt, and I was about to bet
(so in reality, it appears that it was too late to enforce the straddle)
The dealer when he didn't explain it to me, also didn't explain it to the
rest of the (3/6 limit) table I was, so they all assumed they had to put in
6 bucks to get into the pot. Those who wanted in, ante's up the 6 bucks.
My question was, say if it had been PROPERLY done ... and I'm sitting next
to the person who had to put up the Straddle before the cards were dealt.
Does that mean that at a 3/6 limit table, that once the cards are dealt,
that I (and the rest of the table) then will have to put in 6 bucks in
order to see the flop, instead of the normal 3 bucks?
Graham Ribchester
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Gary Carson
to call the floor. Then ask the floor the question.
If the dealer won't call the floor then do it yourself, just yell out
"floor on table whatever" as loudly as you can.
Don't act until your question is answered.
Gary Carson
>
>So, are you saying that I could of refused to allow the straddle,
No. The straddle is a voluntary extra blind put up by the player
after the big blind. The limits of the game stay the same, it's kind
of like a blind raise.
The difference between a straddle and a blind raise is that the
straddle is "live". That means that the straddle will be last to act
and will have the option of raising.
You can call or raise or fold, the only difference being that the
amount you must call is doubled. It's still a 3/6 game it just starts
at 6 preflop. A raise will make it 9. On the flop the bet is back to
$3
Specifics of how a straddle is handled might be different in different
places.
Gary Carson
If you want to play you have to either call the 6 or raise it to 9
Debbie in Ohio
Gary Carson <garyc...@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote in message
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> It was properly done.
>
> If you want to play you have to either call the 6 or raise it to 9
>
>
FYI ... for the record, since the cards had ALREADY been dealt, and I'd seen
my cards when I was informed of the straddle ... I played the hand ... and
won the pot. Hows that for revenge on the straddle caller? LOL
;o)
Debbie
Gary Carson
<nospam_c...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>Gary Carson <garyc...@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote in message
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>> It was properly done.
>>
>> If you want to play you have to either call the 6 or raise it to 9
>>
>>
>Thank you Gary.
>
>FYI ... for the record, since the cards had ALREADY been dealt, and
I'd seen
>my cards when I was informed of the straddle ..
It doesn't matter when you were informed. It matters when he put the
straddle out. He can't put out the straddle once the deal has
commenced, but as long as he puts it out before the deal it does't
matter whether you saw it or not.
Cubit
stock.
North Shore Mike
<nospam_c...@pobox.com> wrote:
>So, I said no, I don't know what a straddle is, and explained to him, that
>as until that day, I had played online, and the dealer, told me I shouldn't
>be sitting at a live table then, if I didn't know what a straddle was.
Your straddle question has been answered already, far better than I
could have.
I just wanted to say that if I was in casino management and heard
this, or heard tell of it, I would ask this dealer to give me a reason
why he shouldn't be fired.
And if I was a player at your table, I would have informed management
about this.
Any action or statement that keeps new players out of a poker room
should be severely punished. It's in the best interest of card room
operators and regular players to make sure there is growth in the
market, isn't it?
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Bill Reich
> Rich <anon...@paranoid.org> wrote in message
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> > On Aug 11 2003 3:07PM, Debbie in Ohio wrote:
> >
> > > Can it be declared at random, or must it be a table that has it declared
> > > that Straddles are allowed?
> >
> > The rules depend specifically on where you are. Basically, a straddle is
> > like another blind, posted by the person to the left of the big blind.
> > I've only seen it done at 2X the amount of the big blind.
> >
> > If it's allowed, it's up to the person in that seat whether they want to
> > do it for not. Usually people do this when they want more action.
> >
> > If I asked a question like that and the dealer got smart I would call for
> > the floor person.
> >
> >
> >
> > Rich
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> >
> >
>
> So, are you saying that I could of refused to allow the straddle, or is it's
> (only) up the Big Blind person to call it or not, and the person sitting
> next to them, has no choice?
In most games, the player under the gun is the ONLY person who can do
a live straddle. If, before you get your cards, you had put in double
the big blind, that would have been a raise and you would have had a
similar option, effectively to raise yourself, when the action got
back to you.
>
> What of the ppl after the straddled person? Do they also have to double
> their bets to get into the pot for the flop? Does the straddle have to be
> declared by the BB before any cards were dealt (I ask because many times I
> noticed at this table, the dealers were dealing BEFORE the big and small
> blinds actually posted their blinds).
The BB does not, in any casino I have seen or in any private game I
have been in, do the straddling. Once the UTG player straddles, yes,
it costs double to play. It is just a raise without seeing ones cards.
> Thanks!
>
> I agree about the dealer ... next time I'll know to call the floor person.
> This time I was caught off guard ... both by this strange term, and by the
> dealers attitude towards me.
You are learning fast. Now if you can stay away from the slots.
--
Will in New Haven
Work fast, change speeds, throw strikes
Bill Reich
> It was properly done.
>
> If you want to play you have to either call the 6 or raise it to 9
>
I am not looking at her post and may have mis-remembered but I seem to
remember that she was UTG. If so, who could have straddled? If the BB
can straddle, it would be news to the dealers at Foxwoods, or the
(soon to be nonexistent poker room at) Mohegan Sun. I have seen
dealers at each of these 'splain the straddle to people who hadn't
seen it before and they always said that it was the UTG player's
option. The dealers were polite about it also. Which the Kentucky
dealer evidently was not.
Bill Reich
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:07:14 GMT, "Debbie in Ohio"
> <nospam_c...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> >So, I said no, I don't know what a straddle is, and explained to him, that
> >as until that day, I had played online, and the dealer, told me I shouldn't
> >be sitting at a live table then, if I didn't know what a straddle was.
>
> Your straddle question has been answered already, far better than I
> could have.
>
> I just wanted to say that if I was in casino management and heard
> this, or heard tell of it, I would ask this dealer to give me a reason
> why he shouldn't be fired.
Agreed. And I would have only accepted a reason of the magnitude of
"My best friend died" or similar. And would have told the dealer to
book out for the rest of the evening because obviously he or she is
too shook to perform the job. And the dealer and I would BOTH have
apologized to the newbie. When I ran bridge clubs and we got newbies
(back when some people under seventy played bridge) trying not to
drive them away the first day was a major task.
>
> And if I was a player at your table, I would have informed management
> about this.
While my sympathies lie with the dealers on most occasions of
conflict, I would have snitched had I been at that table.
> Any action or statement that keeps new players out of a poker room
> should be severely punished. It's in the best interest of card room
> operators and regular players to make sure there is growth in the
> market, isn't it?
>
>
> ADB North Shore Mike
> A++ G++ PKR+ !PEG++ B++ TB ADB+ M--
>
> http://www3.telus.net/northshoremike/northshoremike
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>
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> Second time I lose, I drink gin
> Third time I lose, I drink anything
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>
> - Gram Parsons, "Ooh, Las Vegas"
>
Gary Carson
wrote:
>garyc...@alumni.northwestern.edu (Gary Carson) wrote in message
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>> It was properly done.
>>
>> If you want to play you have to either call the 6 or raise it to 9
>>
>
>I am not looking at her post and may have mis-remembered but I seem
to
>remember that she was UTG.
She said she was next to the big blind. I'm not sure what that meant.
I've seen straddles allowed from any position. They used to allow it
in the nolimit games at AJ's. They called it a kill, but in nolimit
that's the same as a straddle, and it got last to act option on the
first betting rounds.
>If so, who could have straddled? If the BB
>can straddle, it would be news to the dealers at Foxwoods, or the
>(soon to be nonexistent poker room at) Mohegan Sun. I have seen
>dealers at each of these 'splain the straddle to people who hadn't
>seen it before and they always said that it was the UTG player's
>option.
That's the case in most rooms, but there's no reason to limit it to
utg.
And, I just assumed she was the small blind. I got the impression
that the hand was dealt before she had put her blind up but that the
straddle had been posted and she didn't see it.
Debbie in Ohio
Okay ... let me elaborate to clear it up.
I Wasn't the big Blind, nor the small blind.
I was sitting to the left of the Big Blind (I would of been the BB the next
hand), the Cards had already been dealt, and when I went to put up my 3
bucks to get into the pot for the flop (as it was a 3/6 limit game), the
dealer said, nope, you have to put in 6 bucks, because Straddle was called.
That's when I asked 'What's a Straddle' and got the rude treatment from the
Caesars/Indiana dealer, who wouldn't tell me much, made me feel very small
for not knowing what a Straddle was, and simply (and rudely) told me I had
to put up 6 bucks to get into the pot because Straddle had been called.
I already had seen my cards, they were good ones (I forget exactly what they
were, but in the end, they were good enough for me to win the pot), so I put
up the 6 bucks.
He then also told the rest of the table, that for them to get into the pot,
that they ALSO had to put up 6 bucks.
Most folded, but some did indeed put up the 6 bucks so that they could see
the flop.
The thing was though, since the person who came from the higher tables to
ours, when there wasn't enough people at his, called Straddle at least 3
more times (my feeling was of irritation, because if he wanted to play at
higher limits he should of stuck to the 5/10 table, or moved to a higher
limit table, instead of screwing us at the 3/6 tables).
I need to know exactly where I stand, so that next time, if they try to pull
the wool over my eyes, I can tell them no dice, and why, and sound
intelligent about it.
Debbie
Gary Carson
unusual, but there's no reason they can't do it.
Travel
dealer reprimanded the player, is, why was the player from the high
limit game allowed to dictate a mandatory straddle.
The way this thread reads, the rules at this particular casino would go
something like, ... "the last player to enter the game may -order- a
straddle at will; enforced by the dealer"
I think we're getting there, but still need a few more details with this
story.
Gary Carson
straddle from any position. I've played in cardrooms that allowed
that.
I prefer that myself.
On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 21:33:02 -0400 (EDT), nin...@webtv.net (Travel)
wrote:
Chet
Blind and you were told you had to 'straddle' because some other
player called "Straddle", you were CHEATED, plain and simple. There
is no card room that I know of anywhere, where a player other than the
player first to act, can announce a 'straddle' and the rest of the
players be forced to call the 'straddle' raise.
I would certainly ask to talk to the cardroom manager the next time
you go there or cross that place off your list of rooms to go to
(unfortunately you have virtually zip for alternative choices).
If you can or want to, I would get the name of the dealer and file a
complaint with the cardroom manager. The dealer obviously did not do
his/her job. In fact, from your description, I wonder if there wasn't
some level of collusion between the dealer and atleast some of the
other players to get this newbie's money, either that or most of the
rest of the players were just as inexperienced as you when they didn't
complain.
Chet
Debbie in Ohio
Chet <chet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Chet, from reading some more of Gary's Book, (or rather re-reading it) I was
the person that was sitting in the 'Under The Gun' Seat, or rather, 3 seats
to the left of the dealer button (for the very next hand, I would of been
the Big Blind).
As for the rest of the table, at that time, there were actually about 3 or 4
of us newbies there at the time this all started.
However, it MIGHT explain perhaps why the dealer didn't explain it better to
me, because then I could of refused to go along with it. The Player from
the higher table, was in the Blinds (I forget which one now, big or small, I
think Small but I can't remember for sure).
It was only this ONE dealer that was rude to me like that, the rest as well
as the floor managers (which I confided in when I first arrived there, that
I was unsure of the etiquette as I'd only played online before), were kind,
helpful, and most willing to answer all my questions.
However, you are right about my options being limited for Live poker.
It's either Caesars/Indiana by Louisville for me, or I'd have to drive to
either GreekTown Casino in Detroit, or go up around Chicago to play (both 5
hour drives in each direction).
I wish now, I had spoken up, but I didn't, as I didn't know any better. Now
I do.
I also had one player try to steal splitting a pot from me as well.
Lucky for me, I knew the River rule, as we both had the same two pairs (one
board pair, and one pair made from our hole cards), and the river card was
higher than both our kickers.
He turned to me, pointed to his kicker, and said, 'The pots all mine, as my
Kicker is bigger than your kicker card'.
I simply smiled at him, and said: 'I may look like I'm Fresh Fish, but in
reality, I'm only part Fish'. The River card is higher than both our kicker
cards, so the pot must be split between us.
LOL ... I could tell from his reaction, that he was kinda surprised I knew
that rule, but split we did (the dealer funny as it seems, said nothing, but
just waited for us to decide it before he did anything ... I think it MIGHT
of been the same dealer, as it happened AFTER the straddle incident, but I
don't really remember now).
Funny thing was, there was another player, who won an earlier pot from
another newbie, and I don't know if he just didn't know the rule himself, or
if his conscience got the better of him. Well, just after I split the pot
with the person who tried to steal it from me, this 3rd player announced to
the dealer, that a few hands back, a pot he won, should of been split
between him and a 4th player because of that rule (I had not been in that
hand, so I wasn't paying attention at that time, but rather was stacking my
chips or something), instead of him, taking the whole pot to himself.
This 3rd player, then asked the dealer if he could give/pass half of that
former pot's chips, to the 4th player, one of the other newbies at the
table, and the dealer called over the table manager to witness it, and the
3rd player did so, and made it right (such honesty is truly refreshing I
might add), all because I think, I stated the rule about split pots, for the
entire table to hear.
So, while I only started playing poker about 5 or 6 weeks ago (when I
started playing online), and still have a LOT to learn, I do know that I am
learning (and I hate it when something like this catches me off guard like
that too, as I like to be prepared when I go in, from the get go), and I
have to say, I really appreciate everyone in this forum here, as almost
everyone in here I've noticed, is very kind and helpful to us newbies to the
game of Poker.
Travel
game was calling for the straddle and on his behalf she was forced to
comply, i.e. -told- to, by the dealer. It dosn't make sense.
Also, she was in the UTG position and there's no indication that any
other position was available for a straddle.
Gary Carson
wrote:
>Yes, but the way this story is explained, the player from the high
limit
>game was calling for the straddle and on his behalf she was forced to
>comply, i.e. -told- to, by the dealer. It dosn't make sense.
>
She didn't say she was forced to straddle, just that she was forced
top call 6 if she wanted to play. Here's what she said.
"I glared at him, and said, maybe so ... but I'm here now, so please
explain
it. The dealer didn't really explain it, but simply said that I had
to ante
up 6 bucks to get into the pot."
That would be the case if someone else had straddled.
>Also, she was in the UTG position and there's no indication that any
>other position was available for a straddle.
In some cardrooms any position can straddle. An out of position
straddle doesn't act in turn on the first betting round but acts last.
In subsequent betting rounds he will act in turn.
Most cardrooms don't allow that. But, it appears that this one does.
She didn't have to call. She could have folded. At least according
to her rendition of what the dealer said she could have folded.
Chet
the pot. Don't be a wall flower and worry that everyone will think you an
idiot if you don't understand something and ask for the floor to make a
ruling. If you don't understand something or if you think there is
something "out of the ordinary" or different from what you may see or
interpret as the norm based on what you read here, ask the dealer!! If
he/she doesn't give you a satisfactory explanation, ask them to call the
floorperson. If they don't, stand up and as loudly as necessary (but only
as necessary) say something like "Floorperson to table XX, Please". If you
don't get an answer or don't get treated correctly, LEAVE!!
Regardless of whether you have played poker for a hundred years or a hundred
pennies worth, it is still YOUR money and you have the right to an
explanation. Any 'local' rules that deviate from the generally accepted
standards should be posted in plain sight for all players to see, things
like the number of raises, whether check-raise is allowed, number of raises
once a hand gets to 'heads-up' and things like that.
By the way, the FIRST thing I would do if I were you, the next time you go
there, is ask the supervisor in charge for a clarification about their rule
on 'straddling'. I think that explanation will be very interesting.
Soon you will be able to come a couple states West and one to the North and
we will have poker that won't put up with crap like that. If they try, they
might find themselves lost is the local swamp :-)
Good Luck!!
Lord Thanatos
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Was this game played with a "Kill"?? If so that may explain why someone
posted $6 out of position and you were forced to call or fold for $6 UTG.
A Kill is basically where the Limits Double whenever a Player scoops two
pots in a row. The person who is the "Kill" must Post an amount equal to
Double the Big Blind. This bet is Live and the person posting the Kill will
have the option of reraising.
In a 3-6 game the limits now become $6-$12 in a Kill Pot and yes you have to
call $6 under the gun or raise to $12 or Fold.
LT
Debbie in Ohio
> Was this game played with a "Kill"?? If so that may explain why someone
> posted $6 out of position and you were forced to call or fold for $6 UTG.
> A Kill is basically where the Limits Double whenever a Player scoops two
> pots in a row. The person who is the "Kill" must Post an amount equal to
> Double the Big Blind. This bet is Live and the person posting the Kill
will
> have the option of reraising.
> In a 3-6 game the limits now become $6-$12 in a Kill Pot and yes you have
to
> call $6 under the gun or raise to $12 or Fold.
>
> LT
>
>
No, in fact I asked if suddenly the table had become a Kill table, and if
so, where was the kill button ... and the dealer told me no, it was a
straddle, not a Kill.
I've pretty much faced it that I got taken for a ride on this one, because I
was the newbie at the table.
Lucky for me, it didn't happen until I had been at the table for several
hours (and winning I might add), and not earlier.
I plan on going back to the casino next weekend (not this one, but next),
and I plan on bringing this whole issue up with the Floor Person at that
time to see what he says on what the house rule is on the whole thing.
Gary Carson
>
>I plan on going back to the casino next weekend (not this one, but
next),
>and I plan on bringing this whole issue up with the Floor Person at
that
>time to see what he says on what the house rule is on the whole
thing.
>
>'
That would be a good idea.
salmoneous
> my cards when I was informed of the straddle ... I played the hand ... and
> won the pot. Hows that for revenge on the straddle caller? LOL
>
> ;o)
>
> Debbie
Which begs the question, did you tip the dealer?
Debbie in Ohio
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H*ll no ... not after the way he treated me.
Debbie in Ohio
the 24th, and asked the floor people about it, and told them what had
happened to me during my previous visit.
They were quite distressed (and obviously so) that this had happened to me,
and the people in charge of the poker room, wanted me identify the dealer to
them, so that they could make sure it wouldn't happen to other new players.
He wasn't there right then, but came in later on, and I got his name and let
the people in charge know.
They also told me that what Gary said was the normal rule, was indeed
correct, even for them.
1) Only the UTG (Under The gun) Person can call Straddle.
2) Straddle can ONLY be called if, and ONLY if, it's called BEFORE the cards
are dealt.
Thank you everyone for all your help with this.
Debbie
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jimmymac2
it done a few times at Caesars and I'm sure it was by the same player. She
did it for several consecutive deals so she certainly wasn't UTG each time.
Sounds like Caesars needs to educate some of their dealers a little better.
If you wouldn't mind, could you describe the dealer and name him. I'm always
looking for a reason to save the tips.
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