Doyle Brunson - The godfather of poker (fairy tales)
RUStupid Mark
Doyle's response was that he had NEVER spoken to him.
20 years later Doyle is writing about his memorable encounters
with a man he had never spoken with? Hard to imagine Doyle
having encounters with Tony *after* 1990 without a Ouija board...
so one must conclude Doyle is full of shit!
Anyone read the book yet? How much of it do you think really
happened, and what percentage would you say was a complete
fabrication? Was he trying to spice things up with hopes that it
would sell more books?
Thanks for pointing it out to us, RazzO. I'll be passing on this
book until they move it to the fiction aisle where it belongs!
lawh...@hiwaay.net
Mark:
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but in my reading of Doyle's
book, (i.e. page 156), Spilotro has a talk with Billy Baxter in which
he conveys a "message" to Doyle. Spilotro is under the impression
that Baxter and Doyle are booking large prop bets on things like golf
games and sporting events. Mr. Spilotro unilaterally decides that he
wants to become "partners" with Doyle and Billy Baxter getting 25
percent of whatever action they book. When Baxter "courageously"
tells Spilotro that he doesn't think Doyle will be too happy with such
an arrangement, Spilotro tells Baxter:
"I'll tell you what you do," Tony snarled. "You go tell that big, fat
partner of yours that if y'all ever book another bet in this town, a
bet that I ain't got 25 percent of, I'm gonna take twelve ice picks
and stick them right in that big, fat hustle-gut of his. Now you go
tell him what I said."
Of course, Doyle did not knuckle under to Spilotro's demand - and
Spilotro never carried through with his threat. Doyle speculates that
Spilotro didn't harm him (or Billy Baxter) because he [Spilotro] was
aware that they were very tight with Benny Binion. Spilotro
apparently feared (and respected) Benny Binion. The way Doyle tells
it (in his book) is that his friendship with Benny Binion - combined
with Benny's notorious reputation - probably "protected" Doyle.
Whatever the case, Spilotro never physically harned either Doyle or
Billy Baxter. If this account is factually correct, then Doyle was
telling the truth when he told Razzo (or whoever) that he had never
talked with Tony Spilotro.
By the way, I have a prediction. (Remember, you heard this here
first ...) Somebody (or even several somebodies) in Hollywood is
reading Doyle's book. The wheels are already turning. In a few years
expect to see a feature movie based on Doyle's book. (Of course, it
will be hilarious if they re-cast Joe Pesci to play the part of Tony
Spilotro.) Anyway, as I turned the pages, I kept thinking to myself
"This will make a great movie!" I'm sure I'm not the only one
thinking like that.
Alan C. Lawhon
Huntsville, Alabama
hanks
I think it is very interesting that Mike O'Conner is never mentioned.
If you don't know who O'Conner was, you were never around the Dunes.
hanks
bo dark
Maybe he lied to Razzo. Wonder if either John or Joseph Kennedy would
admit to talking to Sam Giancana or other organized crime figures?
James L. Hankins
"RUStupid Mark" <dipu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In 1990, RazzO had asked Doyle if he had ever known Tony Spilatro.
> Doyle's response was that he had NEVER spoken to him.
>
> 20 years later Doyle is writing about his memorable encounters
> with a man he had never spoken with? Hard to imagine Doyle
> having encounters with Tony *after* 1990 without a Ouija board...
> so one must conclude Doyle is full of shit!
Really? That's what one must conclude?
James L. Hankins
<lawh...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in message
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>Of course, Doyle did not knuckle under to Spilotro's demand - and
>Spilotro never carried through with his threat.
Assuming that he made such a threat, is there anything at all about Tony
Spilotro that would indicate he would not carry it out?
>Doyle speculates that Spilotro didn't harm him (or Billy Baxter) because he
>[Spilotro] was
>aware that they were very tight with Benny Binion. Spilotro
>apparently feared (and respected) Benny Binion.
I find it extremely difficult to believe that Spilotro respected Benny
Binion, and impossible to believe that he feared him. Spilotro was the real
deal. A vicious, psychopathic gangster. I don't know anything about
Binion's past that would indicate that Spilotro had anything to fear from
him.
Seems more likely to me that Binion was a "Made Guy" and had a deal with
Doyle, and as such Spilotro left him alone. No other reason makes sense.
Adam
Why woulod you assume that Razzo is not bullshitting or that Doyle (if
the conversation ever took place) was under no compunction to tell
Razzo the truth?
Gary Carson
That might be true. But Doyle doesn't want to tell us he went whining to
Binion asking for protection.
No way in Hell that Spilatro was afraid of Binion but he might well have
been afraid of somebody from Chicago that Binion asked for protection for
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bo dark
> <lawho...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in message
Benny Binion ran the policy(illegal lottery)in Dallas and some Mafia
from up north try to run him off of it. They found some of these guys
dead in the country. Whether this is true or not i don't know , my Dad
told me this , i'm sure he probably got it as rumor. I think my Dad
probably played in some of Binion's dice games as a young man.
Binion apparently pissed off some people , some guy was going to drop
a bomb on his house. Not sure of any associations with anybody in Las
Vegas but Charles Harrelson was a card dealer and was convicted of
killing a federal judge.
Anybody can be killed and nobody has to tell you they are going to
kill you and anybody can be dangerous. Money is a big factor.
Gary Carson
> On Jan 7, 7:39�pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
> > <lawho...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:34b5f50b-8fc5-42f5...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >Of course, Doyle did not knuckle under to Spilotro's demand - and
> > >Spilotro never carried through with his threat.
> >
> > Assuming that he made such a threat, is there anything at all about Tony
> > Spilotro that would indicate he would not carry it out?
> >
> > >Doyle speculates that Spilotro didn't harm him (or Billy Baxter) because
he
> > >[Spilotro] was
> > >aware that they were very tight with Benny Binion. �Spilotro
> > >apparently feared (and respected) Benny Binion.
> >
> > I find it extremely difficult to believe that Spilotro respected Benny
> > Binion, and impossible to believe that he feared him. �Spilotro was the
real
> > deal. �A vicious, psychopathic gangster. �I don't know anything about
> > Binion's past that would indicate that Spilotro had anything to fear from
> > him.
> >
> > Seems more likely to me that Binion was a "Made Guy" and had a deal with
> > Doyle, and as such Spilotro left him alone. �No other reason makes sense.
>
>
>
> Benny Binion ran the policy(illegal lottery)in Dallas and some Mafia
> from up north try to run him off of it. They found some of these guys
> dead in the country. Whether this is true or not i don't know ,
It's not.
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James L. Hankins
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>Anybody can be killed and nobody has to tell you they are going to
>kill you and anybody can be dangerous. Money is a big factor.
True, but the claim here is that Anthony "Tony the Ant" Spilotro "feared"
Benny Binion. That does not compute. I doubt Spilotro "feared" anyone
outside of Chicago.
bo dark
Ok , i'd agree , he didn't fear Binion , but he had to be over
confident , he ended up getting beat to death with his brother. Don't
know if it was his brother who was supposedly bad mouthing people in
card games trying to intimidate people.
I think i remember reading that Ted Binion shot a killed someone and
got off on a charge that was less than murder. I don't care about
people who try to intimidate people because they have others backing
them or who beat up on drunks no matter who they are.
I kind of equate the tales from Las Vegas with tales from the old
west , they have been embellished and romanticized and it is hard to
tell who is telling the truth.
Deadmoney Walking
Good luck figuring out secretive agreements from organized crime 40
years ago. I'd guess Binion included Doyle in whatever % Benny gave
the Mob.
K9way
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K9way
Now you clowns are just making shit up !
Binions "MOB" connection was with the boys in KC . the KC mob connection
was the biggest and strongest in Nevada .. jack Strauss was into them for
so much that they couldnt afford to let him die .. he did , however, die
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K9way
Binion .. "made" .. by whom ? the mob didnt "make" hillbilly cowboys
JEEEZUS COME ON GUYS !!
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K9way
> On Jan 7, 1:30�ｿｽpm, "RUStupid Mark" <diput...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In 1990, RazzO had asked Doyle if he had ever known Tony Spilatro.
> > Doyle's response was that he had NEVER spoken to him.
> >
> > 20 years later Doyle is writing about his memorable encounters
> > with a man he had never spoken with? �ｿｽHard to imagine Doyle
> > having encounters with Tony *after* 1990 without a Ouija board...
> > so one must conclude Doyle is full of shit!
> >
> > Anyone read the book yet? �ｿｽHow much of it do you think really
> > happened, and what percentage would you say was a complete
> > fabrication? �ｿｽWas he trying to spice things up with hopes that it
> > would sell more books?
> >
> > Thanks for pointing it out to us, RazzO. �ｿｽI'll be passing on this
Spilotro 'feared no one !! he may have had financial reasons for not
fuckin with Binion or his friends .. but FEAR WAS NOT THE REASON !!
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K9way
> On Jan 7, 7:39�ｿｽpm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
> > <lawho...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:34b5f50b-8fc5-42f5...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >Of course, Doyle did not knuckle under to Spilotro's demand - and
> > >Spilotro never carried through with his threat.
> >
> > Assuming that he made such a threat, is there anything at all about Tony
> > Spilotro that would indicate he would not carry it out?
> >
> > >Doyle speculates that Spilotro didn't harm him (or Billy Baxter) because
he
> > >[Spilotro] was
> > >aware that they were very tight with Benny Binion. �ｿｽSpilotro
> > >apparently feared (and respected) Benny Binion.
> >
> > I find it extremely difficult to believe that Spilotro respected Benny
> > Binion, and impossible to believe that he feared him. �ｿｽSpilotro was the
real
> > deal. �ｿｽA vicious, psychopathic gangster. �ｿｽI don't know anything about
> > Binion's past that would indicate that Spilotro had anything to fear from
> > him.
> >
> > Seems more likely to me that Binion was a "Made Guy" and had a deal with
> > Doyle, and as such Spilotro left him alone. �ｿｽNo other reason makes sense.
>
>
>
> Benny Binion ran the policy(illegal lottery)in Dallas and some Mafia
> from up north try to run him off of it. They found some of these guys
> dead in the country. Whether this is true or not i don't know , my Dad
> told me this , i'm sure he probably got it as rumor. I think my Dad
> probably played in some of Binion's dice games as a young man.
Binion killed a guy in texas in a personal beef.he ran for neveada , and
was never allowed back in the state of texas . it had nothing to do with
the "numbers' racket in dallas
>
> Binion apparently pissed off some people , some guy was going to drop
> a bomb on his house. Not sure of any associations with anybody in Las
> Vegas but Charles Harrelson was a card dealer and was convicted of
> killing a federal judge.
Charles Harrelson was Woody harrelson's father . he killed a federal judge
at the behest of Jimmy Chagra .. Binion had absolutely nothing to do with
it ..ever !!
>
> Anybody can be killed and nobody has to tell you they are going to
> kill you and anybody can be dangerous. Money is a big factor.
K9way
the only thing he might have feared was the financial connection being
severed
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> On Jan 8, 12:03�am, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
> > "bo dark" <tx1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:c97b2dd4-95ff-4f85...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >Anybody can be killed and nobody has to tell you they are going to
> > >kill you and anybody can be dangerous. Money is a big factor.
> >
> > True, but the claim here is that Anthony "Tony the Ant" Spilotro "feared"
> > Benny Binion. �That does not compute. �I doubt Spilotro "feared" anyone
> > outside of Chicago.
>
>
>
>
> Ok , i'd agree , he didn't fear Binion , but he had to be over
> confident , he ended up getting beat to death with his brother. Don't
> know if it was his brother who was supposedly bad mouthing people in
> card games trying to intimidate people.
No .. it was other brother . i have spoken with Vince since Tony's death .
he used to be a part-time enforcer for a shylock named Eddie Collins who
worked at the Stardust as a dealer . Vince died a few years ago
>
> I think i remember reading that Ted Binion shot a killed someone and
> got off on a charge that was less than murder. I don't care about
> people who try to intimidate people because they have others backing
> them or who beat up on drunks no matter who they are.
>
>
> I kind of equate the tales from Las Vegas with tales from the old
> west , they have been embellished and romanticized and it is hard to
> tell who is telling the truth.
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K9way
Binion didnt give the "mob" a fuckin nickel .. now whether he allowed
them to move "product' in his joint is another matter
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That would certainly seem likely.
James L. Hankins
"K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> Binion didnt give the "mob" a fuckin nickel .. now whether he allowed
> them to move "product' in his joint is another matter
That's my point.
If Tony Spilotro threated to kill someone with an ice pick, the only way I
can think of that the guy does not get killed with an ice pick is that
someone from Chicago called up Spilotro and said, "Leave that guy alone and
don't kill him with an ice pick. He's a friend of ours."
da pickle
> If Tony Spilotro threated to kill someone with an ice pick, the only way I
> can think of that the guy does not get killed with an ice pick is that
> someone from Chicago called up Spilotro and said, "Leave that guy alone
> and don't kill him with an ice pick. He's a friend of ours."
I am listening intently to this conversation. I have no personal knowledge
of the mob nor of any of the present or former member of different families.
(Except Charlie D'Amico here in Alexandria.) I wonder how much of what is
being said is as precise as it is being presented. Like war stories, mob
stories have a way of coming across as just slightly more exciting as might
have actually been the case. But I certainly cannot add or subtract from
the comments. Still very interesting.
bo dark
> On Jan 7 2010 10:35 PM, bo dark wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 7, 7:39 pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > <lawho...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:34b5f50b-8fc5-42f5...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > >Of course, Doyle did not knuckle under to Spilotro's demand - and
> > > >Spilotro never carried through with his threat.
>
> > > Assuming that he made such a threat, is there anything at all about Tony
> > > Spilotro that would indicate he would not carry it out?
>
> > > >Doyle speculates that Spilotro didn't harm him (or Billy Baxter) because
> he
> > > >[Spilotro] was
> > > >apparently feared (and respected) Benny Binion.
>
> > > I find it extremely difficult to believe that Spilotro respected Benny
> real
> > > Binion's past that would indicate that Spilotro had anything to fear from
> > > him.
>
> > > Seems more likely to me that Binion was a "Made Guy" and had a deal with
>
> > Benny Binion ran the policy(illegal lottery)in Dallas and some Mafia
> > from up north try to run him off of it. They found some of these guys
> > dead in the country. Whether this is true or not i don't know , my Dad
> > told me this , i'm sure he probably got it as rumor. I think my Dad
> > probably played in some of Binion's dice games as a young man.
>
> Binion killed a guy in texas in a personal beef.he ran for neveada , and
> was never allowed back in the state of texas . it had nothing to do with
> the "numbers' racket in dallas
>
>
>
> > Binion apparently pissed off some people , some guy was going to drop
> > a bomb on his house. Not sure of any associations with anybody in Las
> > Vegas but Charles Harrelson was a card dealer and was convicted of
> > killing a federal judge.
>
> Charles Harrelson was Woody harrelson's father . he killed a federal judge
> at the behest of Jimmy Chagra .. Binion had absolutely nothing to do with
> it ..ever !!
>
>
>
> > Anybody can be killed and nobody has to tell you they are going to
> > kill you and anybody can be dangerous. Money is a big factor.
>
> Recession .. when IMike's neighbor loses his trailer
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>
> -------
Charles Harrelson was Woody harrelson's father . he killed a federal
judge
at the behest of Jimmy Chagra .. Binion had absolutely nothing to do
with
it ..ever !!
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Yeah , i knew this , my point is if someone would kill a federal
judge , he would kill Spilotro . When you play hard ball you have to
be looking over your shoulder all the time. What a way to live.
Powell's Colon
> On Jan 7 2010 10:35 PM, bo dark wrote:
>
>
> Charles Harrelson was Woody harrelson's father . he killed a federal judge
> at the behest of Jimmy Chagra .. Binion had absolutely nothing to do with
> it ..ever !!
Jamiel 'Jimmy' Charga was tried and found not guilty for his part in
the murder of Judge John 'Maximum John' Wood when Charga's brother
Joe refused to testify. Jimmy was represented by the Mayor of Las
Vegas Oscar Goodman. Goodman also represented Spilotro and other
nefarious mob figures. Harrleson attorney was Percy Foreman.
K9way
he went completely "rogue" .. they distanced themselves from him . he kept
fuckin up .. the clipped him .. there was no restraining him in Vegas
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K9way
Then what did he do so much time for ? he had just gotten out a couple
of year ago , when i saw him at cas AZ
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> On Jan 8 2010 3:27 AM, Deadmoney Walking wrote:
>
> > On Jan 7, 11:03�pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
> > > "bo dark" <tx1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > news:c97b2dd4-95ff-4f85...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > >Anybody can be killed and nobody has to tell you they are going to
> > > >kill you and anybody can be dangerous. Money is a big factor.
> > >
> > > True, but the claim here is that Anthony "Tony the Ant" Spilotro "feared"
> > > Benny Binion. �That does not compute. �I doubt Spilotro "feared" anyone
> > > outside of Chicago.
> >
> > Good luck figuring out secretive agreements from organized crime 40
> > years ago. I'd guess Binion included Doyle in whatever % Benny gave
> > the Mob.
>
> That would certainly seem likely.
Doyle had an "open tab" at the Horseshoe .. no questions asked
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The precise details are surely nothing but folklore, but we can make some
pretty good determination about individuals psychology by looking at what
little we do know about the historical facts. We know that Binion was a
hillbilly gangster who was shrewd and not someone who shunned violence,
even murder if it served his purpose. But we also know that Spilotro was
just batshit crazy and embraced violence for the fun of it as much as
anything else.
So, although we'll never know the details for sure we can often determine
that at least some versions of the details don't fit what we do know about
the psychology of the people.
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>
>
> Yeah , i knew this , my point is if someone would kill a federal
> judge , he would kill Spilotro .
That's not really a valid point at all.
Killing somebody who will gleefully cut your dick off and stuff it up your
nose if you fail in the task is not at all the same thing as killing some
wimpy judge in his front yard in San Antonio.
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ty dr poindexter!!
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"The cheaters were so bad that we would let them cheat a bit" He
clearly posits himself as an honest player who had to deal with
cheaters. "If they got caught they just lauged about it"
For Russ Hailton, Doyle sort of apologizes by saying that Russ
"succumbed to temptation" and mentions that some of us might if we
were faced with it.
Johnny Moss was run out of Vegas for cheating, doyle suspects Moss had
cheated him before.
I thought that Doyle said he did pay Spilotro, but can't find it. I
may have imagined it.
Gary Carson
> On the poker podcast at 4 Doyle said a couple things
>
> "The cheaters were so bad that we would let them cheat a bit" He
> clearly posits himself as an honest player who had to deal with
> cheaters. "If they got caught they just lauged about it"
>
> For Russ Hailton, Doyle sort of apologizes by saying that Russ
> "succumbed to temptation" and mentions that some of us might if we
> were faced with it.
The guys who did his home invasion also "succumbed to temptation". I
guess Doyle forgives them.
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> he went completely "rogue" .. they distanced themselves from him . he kept
> fuckin up .. the clipped him .. there was no restraining him in Vegas
>
I suspect, had Tony stayed in Chicago, he would have died a lot sooner...
found in the trunk of a car parked in a public lot and several weeks ripe.
Chandler
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Now that my uncle, Chuck, is dead, I can tell the story. He worked for
Christensen's Jewelers, here in Las Vegas. He was a watchmaker that did
better at selling diamonds over the counter to Las Vegas entertainers. He
was a player and knew how to schmooze them.
One of the Strip casinos asked him if he's make a trip to New York to
purchase diamonds for them. (It's where they put skim money). "Sure."
They sewed a hundred thousand dollars into an overcoat and had him put
underwear in his briefcase, so he would get through the airport. They
escorted him to the airport and had him met in New York. They drove him to
the diamond district (run by the Jews). He had heard they were honest, but
after he picked a batch a diamonds they did a switch on him. He didn't
notice until he got back to Vegas.
Chuck didn't know if they could tell the difference, but he told the casino
boss he'd got screwed and there was only about $90 thousand in diamonds, but
that if they let him, he promised he'd make up the difference. (He was
afraid they'd burry him in the desert). They trusted him; told him not to
worry about it, and just shrugged it off.
That was Vegas in the 50s.
Jerry 'n Vegas
da pickle
> Then what did he do so much time for ? he had just gotten out a couple
> of year ago , when i saw him at cas AZ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamiel_Chagra
Died a young man too.
da pickle
> The guys who did his home invasion also "succumbed to temptation". I
> guess Doyle forgives them.
Doyle talked about the home invasion at BARGE last summer. He did not seem
"mad" about it. It sounded pretty scary to me. Maybe he "got even" somehow
... he did not say. He has a very quiet demeanor, at least at his age and
condition. I certainly do not know him at all, but he seemed very much like
a "nice guy" the one and only time I met him.
I think being "nice" is hard to fake even for the few hours we were with him
at BARGE. I do not know whether he has forgiven those that wronged him or
whether he has sought forgiveness from those that he has wronged, but he
seems pretty content at the present time.
da pickle
> Now that my uncle, Chuck, is dead, I can tell the story. He worked for
> Christensen's Jewelers, here in Las Vegas. He was a watchmaker that did
> better at selling diamonds over the counter to Las Vegas entertainers. He
> was a player and knew how to schmooze them.
>
> One of the Strip casinos asked him if he's make a trip to New York to
> purchase diamonds for them. (It's where they put skim money). "Sure."
>
> They sewed a hundred thousand dollars into an overcoat and had him put
> underwear in his briefcase, so he would get through the airport. They
> escorted him to the airport and had him met in New York. They drove him to
> the diamond district (run by the Jews). He had heard they were honest, but
> after he picked a batch a diamonds they did a switch on him. He didn't
> notice until he got back to Vegas.
>
> Chuck didn't know if they could tell the difference, but he told the
> casino boss he'd got screwed and there was only about $90 thousand in
> diamonds, but that if they let him, he promised he'd make up the
> difference. (He was afraid they'd burry him in the desert). They trusted
> him; told him not to worry about it, and just shrugged it off.
>
> That was Vegas in the 50s.
Nice story. This is exactly what I was talking about.
Do you believe your story? Are you a Christian?
Seriously, Jerry, don't you ever doubt anything that you believe?
Seriously?
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What were you talking about?
> Do you believe your story?
Huh?
> Are you a Christian?
No.
> Seriously, Jerry, don't you ever doubt anything that you believe?
> Seriously?
"Seriously?" You ask a stupid question like, 'not believing what I believe,'
and you say serious?
See why they say what they say about you?
Jerry 'n Vegas
Deadmoney Walking
I'd think a good poker player should be nice most of the time.
Despite that, I would believe that Doyle has a legitamately good
personality that doesn't mad at people very often.
K9way
chuck hall ?
Recession .. when IMike's neighbor loses his trailer
Depression .. when IMike loses his trailer
Recovery .. when IMike accepts public assistance funded by Obama
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Jerry Sturdivant
"K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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Chuck Sturdivant
Jerry (same last name) 'n Vegas
Gary Carson
Marcello. His daddy was French though. So although David (my friend) was
family, he wasn't really Family.
As he explained it, if you weren't 100% Siciliean, then they'd give you a
job (David's brother worked in the Family Business in the Bahamas) but you
could never be a full participant. The job was optional (David became an
economist, got a phd and went to work for the phone company) for those who
weren't 100% family.
If you were 100% family you did not really have a career choice -- we went
into the family business. And the expectations were much, much higher for
them. An employee who just had some bad luck and screwed up would
probably not receive more than mild sanctions. But a Family member who
had some bad luck and screwed up would at best be banished. He would face
serious sanctions.
That's just the way David explained how it worked (in the New Orleans,
Miami, Bahamas Sicileans) in the 60's and 70's. He didn't have any
relatives in Las Vegas although he did have a couple of cousins who tried
to open a race book in Reno, but they couldn't get a state license
(something about their daddy being in the book).
Jerry Sturdivant
"Gary Carson" <garyc...@pokercultureblog.com> wrote in message
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My daughter's brother-in-law was a lawyer out of Savannah, Georgia. He had
represented clients in South Carolina that were gangsters. He wanted to get
into other law but was afraid of quitting them. He said he was nervous as
hell when he asked them if he could stop representing them. He told them if
they said no, he would stay. He just didn't want to be killed because of
what he knew.
They just laughed and said they understood client privilege; and let him go.
Jerry 'n Vegas
Lucky Liz
even Tony the ant.
On Jan 7 2010 6:55 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
> On Jan 7 2010 7:39 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:
>
> > <lawh...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in message
> > news:34b5f50b-8fc5-42f5...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > >Of course, Doyle did not knuckle under to Spilotro's demand - and
> > >Spilotro never carried through with his threat.
> >
> >
> > Assuming that he made such a threat, is there anything at all about Tony
> > Spilotro that would indicate he would not carry it out?
> >
> >
> > >Doyle speculates that Spilotro didn't harm him (or Billy Baxter) because
he
> > >[Spilotro] was
> > >aware that they were very tight with Benny Binion. Spilotro
> > >apparently feared (and respected) Benny Binion.
> >
> >
> > I find it extremely difficult to believe that Spilotro respected Benny
> > Binion, and impossible to believe that he feared him. Spilotro was the
real
> > deal. A vicious, psychopathic gangster. I don't know anything about
> > Binion's past that would indicate that Spilotro had anything to fear from
> > him.
> >
> > Seems more likely to me that Binion was a "Made Guy" and had a deal with
> > Doyle, and as such Spilotro left him alone. No other reason makes sense.
>
> That might be true. But Doyle doesn't want to tell us he went whining to
> Binion asking for protection.
>
> No way in Hell that Spilatro was afraid of Binion but he might well have
> been afraid of somebody from Chicago that Binion asked for protection for
> Doyle from
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risky biz
> On Jan 8, 12:03�am, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
> > "bo dark" <tx1...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:c97b2dd4-95ff-4f85...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >Anybody can be killed and nobody has to tell you they are going to
> > >kill you and anybody can be dangerous. Money is a big factor.
> >
> > True, but the claim here is that Anthony "Tony the Ant" Spilotro "feared"
> > Benny Binion. �That does not compute. �I doubt Spilotro "feared" anyone
> > outside of Chicago.
>
>
>
>
> Ok , i'd agree , he didn't fear Binion , but he had to be over
> confident , he ended up getting beat to death with his brother. Don't
> know if it was his brother who was supposedly bad mouthing people in
> card games trying to intimidate people.
>
> I think i remember reading that Ted Binion shot a killed someone and
> got off on a charge that was less than murder. I don't care about
> people who try to intimidate people because they have others backing
> them or who beat up on drunks no matter who they are.
>
>
> I kind of equate the tales from Las Vegas with tales from the old
> west , they have been embellished and romanticized and it is hard to
> tell who is telling the truth.
There's a photograph of the guy whose head Tony Spilotro crushed in that
vise that someone else mentioned. It's a photo of his head in the vise. I
don't think the other poster mentioned that Tony worked over his face with
a blowtorch, too.
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risky biz
> On Jan 9, 8:32�ｿｽam, "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > "Gary Carson"
> >
> > > The guys who did his home invasion also "succumbed to temptation". �ｿｽ I
> > > guess Doyle forgives them.
> >
> > Doyle talked about the home invasion at BARGE last summer. �ｿｽHe did not seem
> > "mad" about it. �ｿｽIt sounded pretty scary to me. �ｿｽMaybe he "got even"
somehow
> > ... he did not say. �ｿｽHe has a very quiet demeanor, at least at his age and
> > condition. �ｿｽI certainly do not know him at all, but he seemed very much
like
> > a "nice guy" the one and only time I met him.
> >
> > I think being "nice" is hard to fake
You know better than that. You're being "nice".
> > even for the few hours we were with himat BARGE. �ｿｽI do not know whether he
has
> > forgiven those that wronged him or
> > whether he has sought forgiveness from those that he has wronged, but he
> > seems pretty content at the present time.
>
> I'd think a good poker player should be nice most of the time.
> Despite that, I would believe that Doyle has a legitamately good
> personality that doesn't mad at people very often.
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K9way
sicilian ...goober
- Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll
just
kill you.
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pltr...@xhost.org
wrote:
>- Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll
>just kill you.
Not very many people understand that fact. To tell the truth, after
reading here the past couple of years, I'm surprised that you do.
-- Larry