OT: Policeman risks life to save man in burning car

[BillB]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/16774636/hero-cop-rescues-man-from-burning-car

No mention of him beating the guy up after he pulled him out. Oh
well...probably not newsworthy then. Carry on.

[Dave the Clueless]

Now that is a cool story. Good man. Notice his Navy background? Maybe
officers Fat, Fuck and Pig from Henderson City could take some lessons
from him.

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Canada, keeping the brown people to a minimum for 80 years!

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[BillB]

On 2/9/2012 12:38 PM, Dave the Clueless wrote:

> Now that is a cool story. Good man.

The cool thing is that stories like that outnumber the ones you fools
obsess over by at least 1000:1.

I would love to see any one of you pussies put in ONE weekend on the
streets. Boy, would you change your tunes fast.

[Dave the Clueless]

How the fuck would YOU know?

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Canada, keeping the brown people to a minimum for 80 years!

_______________________________________________________________________ 

[bratt]

On Feb 9 2012 6:04 PM, Dave the Clueless wrote:

> On Feb 9 2012 6:56 PM, BillB wrote:
>
> > On 2/9/2012 12:38 PM, Dave the Clueless wrote:
> >
> > > Now that is a cool story. Good man.
> >
> > The cool thing is that stories like that outnumber the ones you fools
> > obsess over by at least 1000:1.
> >
> > I would love to see any one of you pussies put in ONE weekend on the
> > streets. Boy, would you change your tunes fast.
>
> How the fuck would YOU know?

I guess you missed where NH Will said he would shoot B-BillB for some
money, and B-BillB responded

"No, you wouldn't, because I would easily take your gun away from you and
beat you to a bloody pulp with it. "

He is one bad ass


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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

______________________________________________________________________ 

[BillB]

On 2/9/2012 4:19 PM, bratt wrote:

> I guess you missed where NH Will said he would shoot B-BillB for some
> money, and B-BillB responded
>
> "No, you wouldn't, because I would easily take your gun away from you and
> beat you to a bloody pulp with it. "
>
> He is one bad ass

What would your husband do? Just stand there and let some old mentally
ill geezer kill you? Of course you have to take the gun away from him
and beat him with it. It's the sensible thing to do.

Anyway, Will later specified that he would be smart enough to keep a
very large amount of distance between us. But at that point, he's
probably going to miss. I doubt he could hit the broad side of Beldin's
girlfriend's ass.

[bratt]

On Feb 9 2012 6:30 PM, BillB wrote:

> On 2/9/2012 4:19 PM, bratt wrote:
>
> > I guess you missed where NH Will said he would shoot B-BillB for some
> > money, and B-BillB responded
> >
> > "No, you wouldn't, because I would easily take your gun away from you and
> > beat you to a bloody pulp with it. "
> >
> > He is one bad ass

> Anyway, Will later specified that he would be smart enough to keep a
> very large amount of distance between us. But at that point, he's
> probably going to miss.

Will's quote - sure seems like he is afraid of you

"What an egoistical fool you are. No one stupid enough to get close
enough for you to pull that shit would ever get hired to shoot
someone, even a Canadian lawyer with, what was it, only weeks to live.
Or is it months? "

A very large distance? How about an arms length?

How does Beldin's girls ass compare with your wifes? Ive seen pix of
Beldins girl and she is cute and petite.

Big Brave B-BillB

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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

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[O-PGManager]

On Feb 9 2012 5:56 PM, BillB wrote:

> On 2/9/2012 12:38 PM, Dave the Clueless wrote:
>
> > Now that is a cool story. Good man.
>
> The cool thing is that stories like that outnumber the ones you fools
> obsess over by at least 1000:1.

Uh, no.

http://www.theagitator.com/2012/02/08/stop-resisting-motherfucker/

At least this guy got an apology. Most victims of police brutality are
charged with a crime.

Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)

________________________________________________________________________ 

[bub]

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 17:29:13 -0800, "bratt" <a89...@webnntp.invalid>
wrote:

>A very large distance? How about an arms length?

i would advise will to use a harpoon.

[BillB]

On 2/9/2012 5:29 PM, bratt wrote:

> A very large distance? How about an arms length?

He's toast.

> How does Beldin's girls ass compare with your wifes? Ive seen pix of
> Beldins girl and she is cute and petite.

Are you talking about Beldin the persona? I'm talking about Beldin the
persona. I think popinjay posted a picture of his wife. She was a real
hippo. Everyone knows Beldin's wife is enormous. Even Beldin says she's
huge. I think he said something about a wizard spell gone bad or
something. Or maybe it was just too much pie. Check the archives.

[TruthSeeker]

bratt wrote:

> I guess you missed where NH Will said he would shoot B-BillB for some
> money, and B-BillB responded
>
> "No, you wouldn't, because I would easily take your gun away from you and
> beat you to a bloody pulp with it. "
>
> He is one bad ass

Yeah. On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog.




--
TruthSeeker

[TruthSeeker]

I had an experience something like that once. Driving down a country
road, I came upon a car on fire. There was no one else around. I
stopped and ran to the car, but I couldn't see inside due to the thick
smoke. So I opened the doors, took a deep breath, closed my eyes and
felt around inside the car, to see if anyone was still inside.
Fortunately there was not, the sole driver had run to a nearby house.



--
TruthSeeker

[Mossingen]

"Dave the Clueless" <a98...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:5i3e09x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...

> On Feb 9 2012 6:56 PM, BillB wrote:
>
>> On 2/9/2012 12:38 PM, Dave the Clueless wrote:
>>
>> > Now that is a cool story. Good man.
>>
>> The cool thing is that stories like that outnumber the ones you fools
>> obsess over by at least 1000:1.
>>
>> I would love to see any one of you pussies put in ONE weekend on the
>> streets. Boy, would you change your tunes fast.
>
> How the fuck would YOU know?

Because he has a functioning brain and an awareness of how the world works.

[Tad Perry]

"BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
news:OYVYq.1856$Qb4...@newsfe21.iad...

>
> http://www.cbs8.com/story/16774636/hero-cop-rescues-man-from-burning-car
>
> No mention of him beating the guy up after he pulled him out. Oh
> well...probably not newsworthy then. Carry on.

I think we've already established that policepersons can be very hot or cold
and switch back and forth on a dime.

There is NO rational logic that forgives police brutality on the populace.
The life saved yesterday doesn't make the nigger pummeled to death today
okay.

tvp

[BillB]

The vast majority of these "police brutality" cases are blown way out of
proportion. The way I see it, if you resist and end up with a few
stitches and a black eye, you were asking for it. You were looking for a
story to tell your buddies, and now you have one.

Police can't afford to fuck around. They are taught that once the
resistance starts, it has to be put out like a fire, and that means
non-lethal but overwhelming force where available and deemed necessary.

If the police want to detain or arrest you, never offer even a hint of
resistance. Don't say anything but your name. All your rights are back
at the station, not there on the street. The street is a battle you
can't win.

[Alim Nassor]

I put 2 years in, BillB. How much have you done?

[Tad Perry]

"BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message

news:2g3Zq.22064$Sh7....@newsfe15.iad...

> On 2/9/2012 10:31 PM, Tad Perry wrote:
>> "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
>> news:OYVYq.1856$Qb4...@newsfe21.iad...
>>>
>>> http://www.cbs8.com/story/16774636/hero-cop-rescues-man-from-burning-car
>>>
>>> No mention of him beating the guy up after he pulled him out. Oh
>>> well...probably not newsworthy then. Carry on.
>>
>> I think we've already established that policepersons can be very hot or
>> cold and switch back and forth on a dime.
>>
>> There is NO rational logic that forgives police brutality on the
>> populace.
>> The life saved yesterday doesn't make the nigger pummeled to death today
>> okay.
>
> The vast majority of these "police brutality" cases are blown way out of
> proportion. The way I see it, if you resist and end up with a few stitches
> and a black eye, you were asking for it.

Of course, you see it that way. I don't. That's where this discussion starts
and ends.

And don't get me started about prison guards. One of the favorite things
guards at Pierce County Jail like to do is put on a rubber glove and shove
their fingers up your ass until you scream. All because you wouldn't be
quiet at night? Abu Graib isn't as much an outlier as those who willingly
blind themselves like to believe.

There is a sadistic side to Officer Friendly that people like you are in
complete denial about.

Willing to educate yourself?

http://www.amazon.com/Why-Good-People-Things-Understanding/dp/1592402763

tvp

[BillB]

Mayberry?

[Alim Nassor]

In the immortal words of Jerry, "Dodge noted".

[BillB]

On 2/9/2012 11:48 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:

>>> I put 2 years in, BillB. How much have you done?
>>
>> Mayberry?
>
> In the immortal words of Jerry, "Dodge noted".

haha...I nailed it. I put a lot more than two years into the criminal
justice system, and it wasn't in Mayberry.

[Alim Nassor]

You didn't nail anything.

[BillB]

Sure I did. The whole job was pretty much eating donuts and rousting
local drunks, right? Maybe the odd traffic stop on your cousin
Billy-Bob, 'cause he just refused get that gall-darn taillight fixed?
You probably moonlighted security at Walmart on your days off, so you
could get the staff discount on that above-ground pool your kids wanted,
to get away from the rattlesnakes and the 120 degree temps on the ranch.
Am I close?

[Alim Nassor]

Not really. Let's here about your time on the street as you put it,
then changed it to "time in the criminal justice system"

[Dave the Clueless]

What utter bullshit. I still want to know what the fuck this marshmallow
man knows about "the streets". Bullshit bigoted lying asshole.

[Dave the Clueless]

Shuffling paper makes a gangsta hard.

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Canada, keeping the brown people to a minimum for 80 years!

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[BillB]

On 2/10/2012 3:05 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:


>> Sure I did. The whole job was pretty much eating donuts and rousting
>> local drunks, right? Maybe the odd traffic stop on your cousin
>> Billy-Bob, 'cause he just refused get that gall-darn taillight fixed?
>> You probably moonlighted security at Walmart on your days off, so you
>> could get the staff discount on that above-ground pool your kids wanted,
>> to get away from the rattlesnakes and the 120 degree temps on the ranch.
>> Am I close?
>
> Not really.

K-Mart?

[Dave the Clueless]

Good guess, Dr. BillBigot the Pugilistic Street-Hardened Sociologist.

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Canada, keeping the brown people to a minimum for 80 years!

________________________________________________________________________ 

[Alim Nassor]

Ok, that was worth an LOL.

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 9, 5:56 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
> On 2/9/2012 12:38 PM, Dave the Clueless wrote:
>
> > Now that is a cool story. Good man.
>
> The cool thing is that stories like that outnumber the ones you fools
> obsess over by at least 1000:1.

Yes, they do. The problem that I have here is that the ones the people
here obsess over are _worth_ obsessing over. However, the obsession
would be with THOSE incidents, not with decrying the general run of
police officers.

>
> I would love to see any one of you pussies put in ONE weekend on the
> streets. Boy, would you change your tunes fast.

Yawn. Most police officers never draw their weapon and are never
confronted with any really dangerous situations.

--
Will in New Haven

[TruthSeeker]

BillB must get his perception of police work from the movies.

During the years I was a volunteer deputy I never drew my weapon once
while on duty, outside the firing range. Only one time did I feel that
a situation was dangerous enough that I unsnapped the safety strap on
the holster.

What I observed about the full-time guys were that many of them were
good guys trying to do the job right, but some were sadistic SOB's who
got off on physically dominating people. There is shame in those who
protect the latter.



--
TruthSeeker

[BillB]

On 2/10/2012 1:23 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>> I would love to see any one of you pussies put in ONE weekend on the
>> streets. Boy, would you change your tunes fast.
>
> Yawn. Most police officers never draw their weapon and are never
> confronted with any really dangerous situations.

I'm not talking about Mayberry PD, or whatever outfit Alim ate donuts
for. Many officers in large urban centers frequently draw their weapons,
and they are *constantly* facing dangerous situations. You have no idea
what you're talking about.

[ChrisRobin]

On Feb 9 2012 7:04 PM, Dave the Clueless wrote:

> On Feb 9 2012 6:56 PM, BillB wrote:

> > I would love to see any one of you pussies put in ONE weekend on the
> > streets. Boy, would you change your tunes fast.
>

> How the fuck would YOU know?

He's put in extensive time participating in charity events on the means
streets of Vancouver B.C., the most expensively livable city in the
universe.

_______________________________________________________________________ 

[BillB]

On 2/10/2012 11:14 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Feb 9 2012 7:04 PM, Dave the Clueless wrote:
>
>> On Feb 9 2012 6:56 PM, BillB wrote:
>
>>> I would love to see any one of you pussies put in ONE weekend on the
>>> streets. Boy, would you change your tunes fast.
>>
>> How the fuck would YOU know?
>
> He's put in extensive time participating in charity events on the means
> streets of Vancouver B.C., the most expensively livable city in the
> universe.

I've also put in extensive time in BC, Manitoba and Ontario criminal
courts as defence counsel and, occasionally, as agent for the Government
of Canada in drug prosecutions and asset forfeiture applications. And
what did you say your qualifications are again?

[ChrisRobin]

On Feb 11 2012 2:25 AM, BillB wrote:

> I've also put in extensive time in BC, Manitoba and Ontario criminal
> courts as defence counsel and, occasionally, as agent for the Government
> of Canada in drug prosecutions and asset forfeiture applications. And
> what did you say your qualifications are again?

That's your street cred? Lol!

--- 

[BillB]

A guy like you wouldn't last one day.

[Dave the Clueless]

As a lawyer?

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Canada, keeping the brown people to a minimum for 80 years!

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[Alim Nassor]

So Tell us, Bill, where and how did you get your experience? You
know nothing about mine.

[Alim Nassor]

OHHHHHH a lawyer lecturing about the mean streets. LOL

[BillB]

On 2/11/2012 3:45 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:

> OHHHHHH a lawyer lecturing about the mean streets. LOL

Are you clueless? You can hardly get more street than working in the
trenches in criminal law, unless you go out and join a gang. Unlike your
rent-a-cop gig in Mayberry or Bumfuk or wherever it was, criminal
lawyers in urban centers spend 0% of their time rescuing cats from
trees. It's all serious business, all the time, working face-to-face
with guys the likes of which you never had to deal with while you were
sipping coffee at the Dogpatch Dunkin Donuts. Get a grip on reality.

[Alim Nassor]

Yeah it's all serious business, dealing with people already in
custody. You ignorant fuck.

[BillB]

On 2/11/2012 5:41 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:

> Yeah it's all serious business, dealing with people already in
> custody. You ignorant fuck.

haha...I guess I shouldn't be, but have to admit I am gobsmacked by your
naïveté. You are seriously right out of Petticoat Junction or the Andy
Griffith Show.

[VegasJerry]

On Feb 9 2012 11:00 PM, BillB wrote:

> On 2/9/2012 10:31 PM, Tad Perry wrote:
> > "BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
> > news:OYVYq.1856$Qb4...@newsfe21.iad...
> >>
> >> http://www.cbs8.com/story/16774636/hero-cop-rescues-man-from-burning-car
> >>
> >> No mention of him beating the guy up after he pulled him out. Oh
> >> well...probably not newsworthy then. Carry on.
> >
> > I think we've already established that policepersons can be very hot or
> > cold and switch back and forth on a dime.
> >
> > There is NO rational logic that forgives police brutality on the populace.
> > The life saved yesterday doesn't make the nigger pummeled to death today
> > okay.
>
> The vast majority of these "police brutality" cases are blown way out of
> proportion. The way I see it, if you resist and end up with a few

> stitches and a black eye, you were asking for it. You were looking for a
> story to tell your buddies, and now you have one.
>
> Police can't afford to fuck around. They are taught that once the
> resistance starts, it has to be put out like a fire, and that means
> non-lethal but overwhelming force where available and deemed necessary.
>
> If the police want to detain or arrest you, never offer even a hint of
> resistance. Don't say anything but your name. All your rights are back
> at the station, not there on the street. The street is a battle you
> can't win.

As in, "Do what the nice police officer says."

As for not talking; I believe you'll find that cops will ask all kinds of
quesions before reading you your rights. If you've nothing to hide, go
ahead an talk. The vast majority of times you'll walk. The cop's arn't
interested in making an unnecessary arrest and doing the associated
paperwork. Most disputed are settled on the spot. "Street justice." It's
quice and easy and we're back to eating donuts.


Jerry 'n Vegas

_____________________________________________________________________ 

[VegasJerry]

Precisely where here get his vision of life.


Jerry

------- 

[TruthSeeker]

On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog.



--
TruthSeeker

[Will in New Haven]

I was mentioning something that is true almost everywhere. I guess
downtown New Haven isn't urban enough for you. You know everything. On
the internet, no one knows you are nothing.

But most of us have figured it out.

[BillB]

On 2/11/2012 4:58 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:


> I was mentioning something that is true almost everywhere. I guess
> downtown New Haven isn't urban enough for you. You know everything. On
> the internet, no one knows you are nothing.
>
> But most of us have figured it out.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven

True almost everywhere, eh? The Portland police drew their weapons
14,000 times last year. That's the "reported" number. Of course, the
real number is going to be much higher. Portland is hardly considered
one of the more dangerous cities in America. As for "dangerous
situations," every traffic stop in any society dripping with idiots and
guns (like the US) is a dangerous situation.

You are one of those idiots, Will, plain and simple. I'm sorry, but
there's no real polite way to say it. Go back to fantasizing about
killing people. It's what you do best. As far as writing anything
substantive and intelligent...not so much.

[bratt]

On Feb 11 2012 6:58 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:


> But most of us have figured it out.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven

I can't name ANYONE here that hasn't figured it out yet. Maybe clavie?


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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

_____________________________________________________________________ 

[Dave the Clueless]

Doesn't Jerry still hang on the bigot's nutsack?

[da pickle]

On 2/11/2012 7:20 PM, BillB wrote:
> On 2/11/2012 4:58 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
>
>> I was mentioning something that is true almost everywhere. I guess
>> downtown New Haven isn't urban enough for you. You know everything. On
>> the internet, no one knows you are nothing.
>>
>> But most of us have figured it out.
>>
>> --
>> Will in New Haven
>
>
> True almost everywhere, eh? The Portland police drew their weapons
> 14,000 times last year.

I ran "The Portland police drew their weapons 14,000 times last year"
through GOOGLE and got over 4000 hits. Could not find one that was
relevant. What is your source? For context purposes, of course.

[ChrisRobin]

Lol. Why would I want to?

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[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 11, 9:56 pm, "Dave the Clueless" <a987...@webnntp.invalid>

wrote:
> On Feb 11 2012 10:03 PM, bratt wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 11 2012 6:58 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > > But most of us have figured it out.
>
> > > --
> > > Will in New Haven
>
> > I can't name ANYONE here that hasn't figured it out yet.   Maybe clavie?
>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas
>
> > _____________________________________________________________________
>
> Doesn't Jerry still hang on the bigot's nutsack?

Not on firearms-related issues.

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 11, 8:20 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
> On 2/11/2012 4:58 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > I was mentioning something that is true almost everywhere. I guess
> > downtown New Haven isn't urban enough for you. You know everything. On
> > the internet, no one knows you are nothing.
>
> > But most of us have figured it out.
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> True almost everywhere, eh? The Portland police drew their weapons
> 14,000 times last year.

Cite?

That's the "reported" number. Of course, the
> real number is going to be much higher.

Now that is certainly true. Whatever the reported number, the actual
number would be higher.

Portland is hardly considered
> one of the more dangerous cities in America. As for "dangerous
> situations," every traffic stop in any society dripping with idiots and
> guns (like the US) is a dangerous situation.

Police officers rightly worry about traffic stops. They do _not_
routinely draw on a traffic stop, although the hand is often a lot
closer to the holster than it used to be.

>
> You are one of those idiots, Will, plain and simple. I'm sorry, but
> there's no real polite way to say it. Go back to fantasizing about
> killing people. It's what you do best. As far as writing anything
> substantive and intelligent...not so much.

You have proved yourself correct by assertion so many, many times. But
you are nothing and nothing you say matters.

[Will in New Haven]

In fairness, this may be where he got his thinking about how perilous
police work is. None of those things he listed are _typical_ of a
donutiverous officer's usual day. While the criminals he encountered
were in custody and could not usually do him any harm, BillB was
encountering more of a sample of them than the typical cop does.

And, being a moron, he reasoned from bad data.

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 10:39 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> But you are nothing...

Geez, if I'm "nothing," what on Earth would that make someone as
insignificant as you?

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 10:39 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

>> True almost everywhere, eh? The Portland police drew their weapons
>> 14,000 times last year.
>
> Cite?

"Portland police draw their guns frequently but seldom shoot.

More than one-fourth of the 238 Portland police officers who responded
to a survey by the Oregonian said they pointed guns at people at least
once a week. A similar proportion drew once or twice a month. Less than
10 percent said they never drew.

The Police Bureau doesn't keep track of how often its officers draw and
point their guns, but the newspaper's survey indicates they do so at
least 15,000 times a year."

Compared to:

Will in NeverNeverland: "Most police officers never draw their weapon."

> Police officers rightly worry about traffic stops.

Uh, you just finished saying most police officers are NEVER in a
dangerous situation.

You are completely fucking clueless.

[bratt]

shall we take a poll? I would be willing to bet that Will has a lot more
respect from RGPers than you do.

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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

_______________________________________________________________________ 

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 11:16 AM, bratt wrote:


>> > But you are nothing...
>>
>> Geez, if I'm "nothing," what on Earth would that make someone as
>> insignificant as you?
>
> shall we take a poll? I would be willing to bet that Will has a lot more
> respect from RGPers than you do.

Which would actually mean something if RGP had any significance to one's
standing in life. Comical, though, that you think it does. I guess I
might think the same way if my life's work was making pizza pies.

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 13, 2:10 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
> On 2/13/2012 10:39 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> >> True almost everywhere, eh? The Portland police drew their weapons
> >> 14,000 times last year.
>
> > Cite?
>
> "Portland police draw their guns frequently but seldom shoot.
>
> More than one-fourth of the 238 Portland police officers who responded
> to a survey by the Oregonian said they pointed guns at people at least
> once a week. A similar proportion drew once or twice a month. Less than
> 10 percent said they never drew.
>
> The Police Bureau doesn't keep track of how often its officers draw and
> point their guns, but the newspaper's survey indicates they do so at
> least 15,000 times a year."

Connecticut officers must be under different rules of engagement. In
one year, one officer, actually someone I know and a decent guy, was
responsible for half of the approximately two hundred "gun drawn"
incidents in New Haven. On the other hand, the guns were FIRED in more
than half the incidents.

>
> Compared to:
>
> Will in NeverNeverland: "Most police officers never draw their weapon."
>
> > Police officers rightly worry about traffic stops.
>
> Uh, you just finished saying most police officers are NEVER in a
> dangerous situation.
>
> You are completely fucking clueless.

Most traffic stops are not dangerous situations but the only way an
officer can KNOW that is after the fact. So they do perceive the
situations as dangerous but they do NOT draw their firearms. Except
maybe in Portland.

I have never been as insulting as you are. Sure, I called you nothing
but I was not insulting you; I was describing you.

--
Will in New Haven

BillB knows that he can beat up people he never met. UseNet never had
a tougher tough guy

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 11:22 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

>>Less than
>> 10 percent said they never drew.
>>
>> The Police Bureau doesn't keep track of how often its officers draw and
>> point their guns, but the newspaper's survey indicates they do so at
>> least 15,000 times a year."
>
> Connecticut officers must be under different rules of engagement. In
> one year, one officer, actually someone I know and a decent guy, was
> responsible for half of the approximately two hundred "gun drawn"
> incidents in New Haven. On the other hand, the guns were FIRED in more
> than half the incidents.

Pffft...ya that's it, Will. It wasn't that you don't have a fucking clue
what you're talking it...it's just that Connecticut has different rules
of engagement. LOL!

"But I have a friend of a friend who said..."

Good grief.

[bratt]

You seem to spend all your waking hours here. How do you justify that if
it is so insignificant?

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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

------ 

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 10:42 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> In fairness, this may be where he got his thinking about how perilous
> police work is. None of those things he listed are _typical_ of a
> donutiverous officer's usual day. While the criminals he encountered
> were in custody and could not usually do him any harm, BillB was
> encountering more of a sample of them than the typical cop does.
>
> And, being a moron, he reasoned from bad data.

Let me get this straight...you believe that criminal lawyers only meet
with criminals in custody? (wrong!)

And you also believe that when they do meet with criminals in custody,
there is little or no potential for that criminal to do any harm to the
lawyer? (wrong! - I have personally been assaulted in this situation)

You also think that effectuating the seizure of proceeds of crime from
criminal organizations also poses little risk to a lawyer? (wrong!)

You didn't by any chance get this misinformation from the guy who told
you that most policemen never draw their weapons, did you?

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 12:18 PM, bratt wrote:

> You seem to spend all your waking hours here. How do you justify that if
> it is so insignificant?

I spend a tiny fraction of my time posting here. It may seem like more
to you because I am always at or near a computer and can type almost as
fast as I think, but I actually spend as much or more time playing
guitar, which is similarly insignificant to my self-worth.

Seriously susan, do you REALLY believe, in your heart of hearts, that
someone of my stature gives a flying fuck what a bunch of dumb, racist
hillbillies think about my writing? You really need to try to grip on
reality. What I write here is for my own benefit, and for those capable
of learning.

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 13, 3:32 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
> On 2/13/2012 10:42 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > In fairness, this may be where he got his thinking about how perilous
> > police work is. None of those things he listed are _typical_ of a
> > donutiverous officer's usual day. While the criminals he encountered
> > were in custody and could not usually do him any harm, BillB was
> > encountering more of a sample of them than the typical cop does.
>
> > And, being a moron, he reasoned from bad data.
>
> Let me get this straight...you believe that criminal lawyers only meet
> with criminals in custody? (wrong!)

Actually, I knew better but wasn't thinking about it. You still meet
more criminals in that capacity than the average police officer.

>
> And you also believe that when they do meet with criminals in custody,
> there is little or no potential for that criminal to do any harm to the
> lawyer? (wrong! - I have personally been assaulted in this situation)

Weren't there officers around to protect you? However, meeting them
OUTSIDE of custody must be riskier.

> You also think that effectuating the seizure of proceeds of crime from
> criminal organizations also poses little risk to a lawyer? (wrong!)
>
> You didn't by any chance get this misinformation from the guy who told
> you that most policemen never draw their weapons, did you?

Actually, "most police officers never draw their weapons (obviously
except at the range)" is commonly accepted as fact. Not that it
couldn't be wrong. It seems to be wrong for Portland, Or.

[ChrisRobin]

On Feb 13 2012 2:21 PM, BillB wrote:

> Which would actually mean something if RGP had any significance to one's
> standing in life. Comical, though, that you think it does. I guess I
> might think the same way if my life's work was making pizza pies.

This raises an interesting philosophical question: Which endeavor is more
noble – slinging pizzas for a living, or helping the State lock up
traffickers of non-approved pharmaceuticals and taking their stuff?

_______________________________________________________________________ 

[bratt]

On Feb 13 2012 2:42 PM, BillB wrote:

> On 2/13/2012 12:18 PM, bratt wrote:
>
> > You seem to spend all your waking hours here. How do you justify that if
> > it is so insignificant?
>
> I spend a tiny fraction of my time posting here. It may seem like more
> to you because I am always at or near a computer and can type almost as
> fast as I think, but I actually spend as much or more time playing
> guitar, which is similarly insignificant to my self-worth.
>
> Seriously susan, do you REALLY believe, in your heart of hearts, that
> someone of my stature gives a flying fuck what a bunch of dumb, racist
> hillbillies think about my writing?

LOL someone of your stature?

>You really need to try to grip on
> reality. What I write here is for my own benefit, and for those capable
> of learning.

I'd bet if there were a newsgroups/forum out there that would accept what
you have to say you would be there in a New York minute. This constant
need for self-grandiosing on RGP? You get a grip.

Learning? Do you truly think ANYONE has accepted and *learned* from
anything you have posted?

LOLOLOL someone of your stature posting on RGP LOLOLOL

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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

________________________________________________________________________ 

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 13, 4:04 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Feb 13 2012 2:21 PM, BillB wrote:
>
> > Which would actually mean something if RGP had any significance to one's
> > standing in life. Comical, though, that you think it does. I guess I
> > might think the same way if my life's work was making pizza pies.
>
> This raises an interesting philosophical question: Which endeavor is more
> noble – slinging pizzas for a living, or helping the State lock up
> traffickers of non-approved pharmaceuticals and taking their stuff?

Well, calling it "pizza" when it isn't made in Italy, NYC, parts of
New Jersey or New Haven County, CT, is fraudulant. But helping the
Gestapo is certainly worse.

[VegasJerry]

On Feb 13 2012 11:10 AM, BillB wrote:

> On 2/13/2012 10:39 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> >> True almost everywhere, eh? The Portland police drew their weapons
> >> 14,000 times last year.
> >
> > Cite?
>
>
> "Portland police draw their guns frequently but seldom shoot.
>
> More than one-fourth of the 238 Portland police officers who responded
> to a survey by the Oregonian said they pointed guns at people at least
> once a week. A similar proportion drew once or twice a month. Less than
> 10 percent said they never drew.
>
> The Police Bureau doesn't keep track of how often its officers draw and
> point their guns, but the newspaper's survey indicates they do so at
> least 15,000 times a year."

Let me add an unknown: Whenever someone walked up to my police car; like
to ask a question or direction; I would put my left arm on the window,
hiding the fact I drew my gun and pointed it - through the door and rolled
down window - at the approaching subject (especially if they have their
hands in their pockets). They never knew it; but if the unforeseen had
happened, I could have empted the gun through the door and window; right
into them.

I suggest, if you're going to approach a cop, leave your empty hands where
they can be seen.


Jerry 'n Vegas

>
> Compared to:
>
> Will in NeverNeverland: "Most police officers never draw their weapon."
>
>
> > Police officers rightly worry about traffic stops.
>
> Uh, you just finished saying most police officers are NEVER in a
> dangerous situation.
>
> You are completely fucking clueless.

---- 

[VegasJerry]

On Feb 13 2012 11:22 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> On Feb 13, 2:10 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
> > On 2/13/2012 10:39 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> >
> > >> True almost everywhere, eh? The Portland police drew their weapons
> > >> 14,000 times last year.
> >
> > > Cite?
> >
> > "Portland police draw their guns frequently but seldom shoot.
> >
> > More than one-fourth of the 238 Portland police officers who responded
> > to a survey by the Oregonian said they pointed guns at people at least
> > once a week. A similar proportion drew once or twice a month. Less than
> > 10 percent said they never drew.
> >
> > The Police Bureau doesn't keep track of how often its officers draw and
> > point their guns, but the newspaper's survey indicates they do so at
> > least 15,000 times a year."
>
> Connecticut officers must be under different rules of engagement. In
> one year, one officer, actually someone I know and a decent guy, was
> responsible for half of the approximately two hundred "gun drawn"
> incidents in New Haven. On the other hand, the guns were FIRED in more
> than half the incidents.

This can be a situation thing, too. We used to get a lot of false alarms
at a furniture store. Invariably, I'd have to call the owner, have him
unlock it; and I'd have to search the store, with gun drawn. (I was always
worried about some teenager popping up from behind a couch. As 'liberal'
as it sounds, I had already decided not to fire the first shot; only
hoping I'd be able to fire the second. I don't think I could take killing
a kid).


Jerry 'n Vegas

>
> >
> > Compared to:
> >
> > Will in NeverNeverland: "Most police officers never draw their weapon."
> >
> > > Police officers rightly worry about traffic stops.
> >
> > Uh, you just finished saying most police officers are NEVER in a
> > dangerous situation.
> >
> > You are completely fucking clueless.
>
> Most traffic stops are not dangerous situations but the only way an
> officer can KNOW that is after the fact. So they do perceive the
> situations as dangerous but they do NOT draw their firearms. Except
> maybe in Portland.
>
> I have never been as insulting as you are. Sure, I called you nothing
> but I was not insulting you; I was describing you.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven
> BillB knows that he can beat up people he never met. UseNet never had
> a tougher tough guy

________________________________________________________________________ 

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 13, 4:21 pm, "VegasJerry" <jerr...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Feb 13 2012 11:10 AM, BillB wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2/13/2012 10:39 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > >> True almost everywhere, eh? The Portland police drew their weapons
> > >> 14,000 times last year.
>
> > > Cite?
>
> > "Portland police draw their guns frequently but seldom shoot.
>
> > More than one-fourth of the 238 Portland police officers who responded
> > to a survey by the Oregonian said they pointed guns at people at least
> > once a week. A similar proportion drew once or twice a month. Less than
> > 10 percent said they never drew.
>
> > The Police Bureau doesn't keep track of how often its officers draw and
> > point their guns, but the newspaper's survey indicates they do so at
> > least 15,000 times a year."
>
> Let me add an unknown: Whenever someone walked up to my police car; like
> to ask a question or direction; I would put my left arm on the window,
> hiding the fact I drew my gun and pointed it - through the door and rolled
> down window - at the approaching subject (especially if they have their
> hands in their pockets). They never knew it; but if the unforeseen had
> happened, I could have empted the gun through the door and window; right
> into them.
>
> I suggest, if you're going to approach a cop, leave your empty hands where
> they can be seen.

In this state you would very likely have to fill out paperwork if
anyone KNEW you drew your firearm at a traffic stop. At least that is
true for state cops, who make most of the highway stops.

When I first came here, officers were very careless on traffic stops
but now they have a hand ON their holstered gun. I don't blame them as
traffic stops are _sometimes_ quite dangerous and you can't tell until
it is over.

[Clave]

"Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
news:82661335-1473-4ba5...@x19g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

^
Or Chicago

> Gestapo is certainly worse.

I don't care if you think it's blasphemy.

Jim

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 1:04 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> This raises an interesting philosophical question: Which endeavor is more
> noble – slinging pizzas for a living, or helping the State lock up
> traffickers of non-approved pharmaceuticals and taking their stuff?

If you had a three digit IQ you wouldn't be asking that question.

[bratt]

so you are bigoted against people who don't have a three digit IQ?

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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

---- 

[Clave]

"bratt" <a89...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:09go09x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...

> On Feb 13 2012 4:08 PM, BillB wrote:
>
>> On 2/13/2012 1:04 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>>
>> > This raises an interesting philosophical question: Which endeavor is
>> > more

>> > noble - slinging pizzas for a living, or helping the State lock up

>> > traffickers of non-approved pharmaceuticals and taking their stuff?
>>
>> If you had a three digit IQ you wouldn't be asking that question.
>
> so you are bigoted against people who don't have a three digit IQ?

I've never seen someone lauch so little substance with so much noise.

Rational prejudice is *not* bigotry, FFS.

Jim

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 2:43 PM, bratt wrote:

>> If you had a three digit IQ you wouldn't be asking that question.
>
> so you are bigoted against people who don't have a three digit IQ?

Illogical conclusion.

[da pickle]

On 2/13/2012 4:43 PM, bratt wrote:
> On Feb 13 2012 4:08 PM, BillB wrote:
>
>> On 2/13/2012 1:04 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>>
>>> This raises an interesting philosophical question: Which endeavor is more
>>> noble – slinging pizzas for a living, or helping the State lock up
>>> traffickers of non-approved pharmaceuticals and taking their stuff?
>>
>> If you had a three digit IQ you wouldn't be asking that question.
>
> so you are bigoted against people who don't have a three digit IQ?

Not the black ones.

[ChrisRobin]

I has hoping for a more serious, nuanced response, but I guess that would
require some real introspection about your role as a lackey for the
State's arbitrary and repressive drug laws. Oh well, maybe next time?

--- 

[BillB]

You convinced me. Risking your life prosecuting meth, coke and heroin
dealers, and interrupting the profit flow of organized crime, is nowhere
near as noble as making pizzas (or whatever it is you do, no doubt). I
just wasn't thinking outside the [pizza] box!

That must be why you figured out that Cheney brought down the twin
towers, and I didn't. Doh!

[da pickle]

On 2/13/2012 4:43 PM, bratt wrote:

> On Feb 13 2012 4:08 PM, BillB wrote:
>
>> On 2/13/2012 1:04 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>>
>>> This raises an interesting philosophical question: Which endeavor is more
>>> noble – slinging pizzas for a living, or helping the State lock up
>>> traffickers of non-approved pharmaceuticals and taking their stuff?
>>
>> If you had a three digit IQ you wouldn't be asking that question.
>
> so you are bigoted against people who don't have a three digit IQ?

Not the black ones.

[da pickle]

On 2/13/2012 3:10 PM, bratt wrote:

> LOLOLOL someone of your stature posting on RGP LOLOLOL

That was pretty funny!

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 13, 3:32 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:

Here's one source of information on the subject. The cities and towns
involved make for a fairly large variety.

http://www.sashley.com/filessentbysteve/resources/Use%20of%20Force%20by%20Police%20-%201999%20%28Part%20Two%29.pdf

Firearms are apparently "used or displayed" in fewer than one percent
of the ARRESTS. Now maybe these officers are drawing their guns under
other circumstances than arrests or maybe not.

[Clave]

"da pickle" <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:CsOdnakr3cd...@giganews.com...

That is *such* a funny joke.

You should use it all the time.

Jim

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 4:50 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> http://www.sashley.com/filessentbysteve/resources/Use%20of%20Force%20by%20Police%20-%201999%20%28Part%20Two%29.pdf
>
> Firearms are apparently "used or displayed" in fewer than one percent
> of the ARRESTS. Now maybe these officers are drawing their guns under
> other circumstances than arrests or maybe not.

Of course they are drawn under other circumstances, and 1% of arrests is
A LOT!

Now, refresh my memory...who was the moron operating on bad data again?

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 13, 8:18 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
> On 2/13/2012 4:50 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>

> >http://www.sashley.com/filessentbysteve/resources/Use%20of%20Force%20...

>
> > Firearms are apparently "used or displayed" in fewer than one percent
> > of the ARRESTS. Now maybe these officers are drawing their guns under
> > other circumstances than arrests or maybe not.
>
> Of course they are drawn under other circumstances, and 1% of arrests is
> A LOT!

It still leaves room for "most officers never draw their weapon." How
many arrests does a typical officer participate in?

By the way, 1% would be a lot. The actual figure was around .2
percent. I said _under_ 1% and you didn't read the data.

> Now, refresh my memory...who was the moron operating on bad data again?

Why you. You really don't know as much you think you do.

[BillB]

On 2/13/2012 5:32 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:

>> Of course they are drawn under other circumstances, and 1% of arrests is
>> A LOT!
>
> It still leaves room for "most officers never draw their weapon." How
> many arrests does a typical officer participate in?

No Will, it doesn't, because when you butted in with your idiocy, I was
clearly talking about officers who are on the street in rough urban
areas doing real police work. Those are the very officers who ARE forced
to draw their weapons quite frequently and who ARE placed in dangerous
situations frequently. For you to minimize their service and courage
while you sit behind your computer and pretend you are a big man by
talking about killing people is well beyond laughable.

> By the way, 1% would be a lot. The actual figure was around .2
> percent. I said _under_ 1% and you didn't read the data.

No, I didn't read your data. You said less than 1%, so I assumed you
meant close to 1%, not 20% of that. For once, I assumed you weren't an
idiot, and you let me down again. I don't need to read your data because
I know what I'm talking about from experience, and you were going on
what you heard from a friend of a friend who knew someone on the
auxillary force in Petunia, Kansas back in the 50s. I already showed you
proof that only about 10% of Portland officers report never drawing
their weapon, and it's not hard to see that those are the ones who work
in community relations showing moms how to install baby seats or behind
a desk at the station. That has nothing to do with the kind of police
work I was talking about, and you know it. Someone needs to pull you
into the 21st century. It's a brave new world out there.

>> Now, refresh my memory...who was the moron operating on bad data again?
>
> Why you. You really don't know as much you think you do.

Will, stop pretending you have any concept whatsoever of what I know and
what I don't know. You don't. Not even close.

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
news:FBl_q.23053$%17.1...@newsfe06.iad...

Willie, on just about any topic not related to your actual job (be it
man-whore or whatever you do these days) I suspect WINH knows much more than
you do.

He surely looks foolish far less often than you do, asshat

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 14, 12:04 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> He surely looks foolish far less often than you do, asshat-

But BillB knows _everything_ and he's always right. Just ask him. And
if you find something that contradicts his claim, he changes his
claim.

[BillB]

On 2/14/2012 8:26 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> But BillB knows _everything_ and he's always right. Just ask him. And
> if you find something that contradicts his claim, he changes his
> claim.

I didn't change my claim. My claim was that you had no clue what you
were talking about, and you didn't. If you don't think police on the
street in urban areas pull their weapons or are in dangerous situations,
you are just completely out of touch with reality. I don't know what
else to tell you. What you said isn't even true in Canada, let alone the
US's more challenging urban areas.

If you wouldn't have been so snarky and disrespectful in the first
place, I wouldn't have had to give you this degree of a smackdown. You
have only yourself to blame.

[Will in New Haven]

On Feb 14, 11:34 am, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
> On 2/14/2012 8:26 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> > But BillB knows _everything_ and he's always right. Just ask him. And
> > if you find something that contradicts his claim, he changes his
> > claim.
>
> I didn't change my claim. My claim was that you had no clue what you
> were talking about, and you didn't. If you don't think police on the
> street in urban areas pull their weapons or are in dangerous situations,
> you are just completely out of touch with reality. I don't know what
> else to tell you. What you said isn't even true in Canada, let alone the

> US's more I> If you wouldn't have been so snarky and disrespectful in the first

> place, I wouldn't have had to give you this degree of a smackdown. You
> have only yourself to blame.

It doesn't hurt a bit to be "smacked down" by a moron like you. Your
claim comes down to "Officers who pull their weapons and are in
dangerous situations pull their weapons and are in dangerous
situations."

[BillB]

On 2/14/2012 8:38 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> It doesn't hurt a bit to be "smacked down" by a moron like you. Your
> claim comes down to "Officers who pull their weapons and are in
> dangerous situations pull their weapons and are in dangerous
> situations."

No Will, my claim is, and always was, that you don't have a fucking clue
what you're talking about, and you don't.

Go back and look at your claims and the context in which you made them.

[bratt]

On Feb 14 2012 10:34 AM, BillB wrote:

> If you wouldn't have been so snarky and disrespectful in the first
> place, I wouldn't have had to give you this degree of a smackdown. You
> have only yourself to blame.

B-BillB - think about this. Why do you think so many of us are
disrespectful to you? Do you not know that respect is something to be
earned? How can we respect someone who demeans us for whatever reason,
and tells us our OPINIONS are wrong?

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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

------ 

[VegasJerry]

This, "Paperwork required if you draw your weapon," rule, is new to me.
But then, this was many years ago; and out west (Death Valley area). Not
so many uptight people.

Then there's the shotgun element. When my partner stopped a car at night;
I would get out on my side with the shotgun. If my partner had to have
words with the driver or other passangers; or loud words were exchanged;
I'd rack the shotgun. There is no sound in the world like a 12-gauge pump
being racked…..

Jerry 'n Vegas

> When I first came here, officers were very careless on traffic stops
> but now they have a hand ON their holstered gun. I don't blame them as
> traffic stops are _sometimes_ quite dangerous and you can't tell until
> it is over.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven

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