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Do you mean go go girl? :)
I actually lost a good deal of money in the endeavor, and definitely
regret the day I thought up Pokerspot.... not just because it was a
disaster for me personally, but more because I genuinely do feel bad that
so many people got screwed over. Hard to keep a contrite spirit, though,
with people posting shit like "your days are numbered, son" and "I hope he
gets tossed somewhere in the mohave desert soon".
As to what I did to most of the louder guys who've been posting "daily
reminders", I don't know. I'd guess that only a small fraction of the
more recent flamers ever heard about pokerspot when it was actually up and
running. I'm pretty sure that if arlo payne, for example, lost any money
at the site he would have said so before now. I do take some small
comfort in knowing that most of the guys who never seem to pass up an
opportunity to badmouth me spend a lot more time festering about me than I
do thinking about them.
Dutch
On Aug 19 2003 5:20AM, Tyler Durdan wrote:
> What did he do that was so bad?
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But that's not what happened here.
If the casino goes bankrupt, you do NOT expect to lose the cash that is in
your safe deposit box. You expect that to be beyond the reach of the casino
and their creditors.
That IS what happened here. With Boyd's pokerspot online cardroom. He
accepted money from customers, money that should have never been touched,
money that should have been in accounts separate from operating money, money
that should have continued to belong to those customers no matter what
happened to the cardroom in the long run. But he didn't do that. He
comingled all his funds, and therefore when the site went down, so did the
customer's deposit money.
That makes him either a knowledgable thief, or an ignorant amateur.
Oh, and it really doesn't matter how much money he lost. He still shouldn't
have comingled the funds. Even if he lost 10 million of his own dollars,
that doesn't make it OK to lose 1 million of other people's money that they
did not knowingly put at risk.
Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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"Gregory Raymer" <ray...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Mr. Boyd,
Can you tell us what you are doing to make sure the "so many people who got
screwed over" (nice use of the passive voice there instead of saying "that I
screwed over" or "that my compnay screwed over") get the money you rightfully
owe them?
You say you're contrite, but as any theologian will tell you, contrition is
meaningless if it's just words. What matters are the actions we take to right
the wrongs we have done in life.
Until you take meaningful actions that right the wrongs you have done, please
don't insult us with your crocodile tears of contrition.
I do take some small
>comfort in knowing that most of the guys who never seem to pass up an
>opportunity to badmouth me spend a lot more time festering about me than I
>do thinking about them.
>
>Dutch
Now THAT's the truth.
Chuck Humphrey
various snips:
>I actually lost a good deal of money in the endeavor, and definitely
>regret the day I thought up Pokerspot....
Russ, I find this very surprising (perhaps telling) .... Pokerspot was the
first online card room to offer viable online tournaments (IIRC). Though I
didn't play there, I benefited from practicing on a leased version to
PokerPages. I can understand how you could be sorry you started being
underfunded, or how funds were co-mingled or about stating mistruths or the
spinning and disinformation,.. but to be sorry you thought of Pokerspot and
the concept on online tournaments WOW,, there are a lot of thing you could
feel sorry/bad about but I am surprised the "idea" is the one you mention,.
>not just because it was a
>disaster for me personally, but more because I genuinely do feel bad that
>so many people got screwed over. Hard to keep a contrite spirit, though,
>with people posting shit like "your days are numbered, son" and "I hope he
>gets tossed somewhere in the mohave desert soon".
Russ, iirc you made a post something to the effect it's not like anyone lost
their houses (concerning the money lost by players). Other posts you told
people to "fuck off" I would suggest if people want to gage "contriteness vs
this spin" they go back to the archives and read your words for themselves.
(Snip of rest of post revealing character)... but, I will say one thing for you
Dutch, you were always upfront about owning Pokerspot,, unlike a majority of
the online card rooms where the principals behind them are a mystery.
Joan
P.S. I might have missed it, did you every answer my question concerning using
information you gathered through Pokerspot to hone your tournaments skills and
if it played a factor in you placing in the WSOP?
> Watching the 2003 WSOP makes me sick. I hope he gets tossed somewhere in
> the mohave desert soon. The arrogant fucking felon.
You Dutch haters need to let it fucking go! I neither know nor have
played with Dutch nor was I anywhere around this Pokerspot issue, but from
what I have gathered whether he was at fault or not for the
co-mingling/loss of funds there was no malicious intent anywhere. The guy
was trying to start up a dot-com business catering to YOU! How many other
dot-coms have gone belly up? Look folks, if you hang around posting here
you are either by nature or by profession a gambler. You lost. Get over
it.
I could see hating on the guy if he gave you a bad beat, treated you bad
at a table, or behaived in any way like Phil Helmuth, but you want him
dead over this. Please.
Keep doing what you're doing Dutch. Your great to watch and someday I
hope to take a big pile of money from you.
>If the casino goes bankrupt, you do NOT expect to lose the cash that is in
>your safe deposit box. You expect that to be beyond the reach of the casino
>and their creditors.
Tell that to those people that had money in their player's banks at
the Crystal Park Casino a few years back.
PA
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Zorak wrote:
> Keep doing what you're doing Dutch. Your great to watch and someday I
> hope to take a big pile of money from you.
Zorak, that's what these other people want to do. You, you're starting
even with him. They aren't. I think your empathy is misplaced. Think
hard on this one. How would you feel if you lost a good chunk of your
entire bankroll? Place the empathy where it belongs and not with this
sleezeball.
Gary (Never lost a dime to online) Philips
Russ--
Can you possibly grasp the offense people take at seeing you turn up
in the WSOP, cashing large, howling about "taking over the poker
world," and then acting incredulous that people are offended?
Every dollar you won at the WSOP should have been turned over to
customers who got hurt by your business--even if they only received
pennies on the dollar. Even if it wasn't "your fault."
A small act of humility would have bought you a truckload of goodwill,
but you clearly don't have the foggiest notion of what humility is.
Show us another amazing chip trick..."Dutch."
Banks co-mingle funds. That is exactly what happened with the S&L. We just had
the US government to bail us out.
A lot of businesses go BK. And the owners start afresh again and again. Tha
is the American way. The people that do go BK are risk takers and we want them
to try again. We don't want them to be ostracized. Most successful
entreprenuers had 3 or 4 failed businesses before they find the formula.
Have you ever worked at a company that is going downhill? I worked as Director
of Finance for a dotcom and it is absolutely terrifying. Desperation to make
ends meet. You tell creditors that you will send out a check knowing full well
you can't do it. You beg for extensions on every bill. You put up a good face
to employees because you don't want them to freak out.
Where this schmo screwed up was telling his customers they were going to get
paid.
And I hope he realizes that it we all talk about what is going on in the poker
world to keep abreast of developments like that. The sharing of that
information protects us all.
I personally would never put a dime in his business.
Cheers
Have you ever worked at a company that is going downhill? I worked as
Director of Finance for a dotcom and it is absolutely terrifying.
Desperation to make ends meet. You tell creditors that you will send out a
check knowing full well you can't do it. You beg for extensions on every
bill. You put up a good face to employees because you don't want them to
freak out. <<
And when is it the right time to be honest and honorable, or does one's
desperation to make ends meet override all sense of ethical behavior? This
is not an accusation, merely a question.
>The people that do go BK are risk takers and we want them to try again. We
don't want them to be ostracized. Most successful entreprenuers had 3 or 4
failed businesses before they find the formula.<
My reply:
I have never had the thrill of filing bankruptcy and so can not speak from
personal experience of its merits.
But I don't think most of the anger expressed in this thread is at the concept
of bankruptcy. The wrath seems directed at Mr. Boyd and his actions.
There would be no problem with him starting again, if he did it with his money
and not ours.
He can take all the risks he wants to, but with his money and not ours.
He can open all the wonderful new sites he likes, but with his money and not
ours.
I don't mean to be unfair with Mr. Boyd. After all, avarice and greed are
common failings. But life calls upon us to make certain judgements. If it
makes sense to reject girls with bow legs from chorus lines, and non-believers
from the missions, it must make sense to reject any plea of his for more trust.
Edward Hutchison
Madison, MS
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Exactly. It's the true test of one's character, how you react under that
pressure. When I was in a 14-month struggle to keep my business alive, it
was difficult to return a check to someone who thought he owed my business
money. I could have just cashed it. I instead chose to sell my motorcycle
and other things I loved in order to pay the bills.
People like Boyd who screw people and then have no trouble looking at
themselves in the mirror are truly the ugliest of our species.
On Aug 19 2003 1:48PM, Lou Krieger wrote:
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Exactly. It's the true test of one's character, how you react under that
pressure. When I was in a 14-month struggle to keep my business alive, it
was difficult to return a check to someone who thought he owed my business
money. I could have just cashed it. I instead chose to sell my motorcycle
and other things I loved in order to pay the bills.
People like Boyd who screw people and then have no trouble looking at
themselves in the mirror are truly the ugliest of our species.
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You try to delay contractors and suppliers as much as you can. They do have a
built in bad debt reserve. It doesn't mean that you should use it.
Most companies experience a cash crunch at one time. Management has a vested
stake in trying to make the company survive any periods. Sometimes though the
company should just fold completely but management would never admit it. So
they go on and on trying to survive.
The problem that the companies have to then pay a higher cost to borrow money
but they are the in the worst position to be able to afford the higher costs!
So it becomes an expensive cycle.
Look at credit card debt in this country. It is astronomical. Many people
won't be able to pay it off, yet they borrow anyway.
Unethical? I don't know. Credit card companies are charging 20% when interest
rates are 5% are so. There is a lot of credit card fraud and it is the honest
person who is subsidizing the cheats, not the companies.
Cheers
> If it
>makes sense to reject girls with bow legs from chorus lines,
this is outrageous! i hope the BLGA is down at Radio City right now protesting.
How do you know that Mr. Boyd took money? He says he lost money. I have no
access to his finances.
It seems the worst mistake he made was promising people that they would get
paid back and then having the nerve to come on here and promote his site. For
someone like myself who has only read about it he comes off as arrogant and
uncaring.
Also, he is a bad seed for the whole online poker industry that bothers me.
People who may try poker online have a reason to be worried.
The best thing about putting your money in a bank in America is that it is
fully insured. You don't have to check on the ability of a bank to pay you
back because even if they invested your money in the worst company in the
world, the US government will step in. That is why so many countries invest in
America. A situation akin to Argentina would not happen here. (Side note -
you should then research the ability of the US Gov't to pay back. I don't
think they would ever default because that would send investors fleeting).
All this shows about how much is on faith. You dollar in your pocket is only
good because someone else is willing to take it to buy goods and services some
place else. People rightfully so have little faith in Mr. Boyd because he has
demonstrated once that will not pay back.
Cheers
Reading so much about him lately, I was curios what he looked like. Did an
image search for "Russ Boyd" at Google, and came up with this image:
http://www.ballooninvasion.com/russberr.gif
Is that right?
Number one : You are bad for poker.
Number 2 you just really don't seem to give a fuck about the people you
burned!
I for one want the crooks out of poker and in my book you would be a good
starting place!
-PB
Cheers
I'd just like to clarify that this Zorak, <anon...@mchsi.com>, is not me
(nor does it appear to be Derek).
Until recently anon...@mchsi.com went by "tallcooldj."
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