OT: At what age did you leave your parents house?
Porsche_Dan
I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an estemated
time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you were
and/or how old your children were when they left?
I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
even after college!
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Porsche_Dan <4308...@recpoker.com> typed:
| I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so
| give me an estemated time of departure. For the rest, I would
| be interested to know how old you were and/or how old your
| children were when they left?
|
| I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are
| not leaving home even after college!
|
|
|
Myself, I couldn't wait to get my own place. What a beauty of a basement suit it
was. Had 6 foot ceilings, plumbing issues, and a Newfie band living upstairs...,
but I didn't care. It was mine to with the girlfriend as I pleased :-)
I was a couple months shy of 18.
My brother lived at home until he was about 24. I think my parents had to
finally say, "beat it" to him...
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Kurt M. (beerboy)
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> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
The cost of housing where I live, Long Beach, CA., is extremely
expensive. A one- bedroom apartment averages $1,200 per month, for
example. When I moved here 12 years ago, the average was $600. On
the other hand, wages haven't increased significantly in the same time
period.
It's not surprising that young people remain in their parent's homes.
In fact, it's likely to become more common in the future.
Barbara Gallamore
CHarrison100
When I was 14 I moved out on my own and had a 1 bedroom apartment. I had to get
government help with the lease but never applied for financial assistance. I
moved back to go to college at 19 and that lasted 8 months. I then returned for
one final time for 2 weeks between the sale of one place and the purchase of the
next when I was 21.
I have worked since I was 13 and always paid my way. I never received so much as
$0.01 in social assistance. I am 30 now and pride myself on that.
I have friends that lived at home after college until they were getting married.
They should be in a better situation now because they were able to put 50% down
on their houses. Unfortunately they are also the ones with all the toys and the
huge debts. This is due to them having no real concept of budgeting of living
within their means because they were used to 100% disposable income.
My kids will be allowed to live at home as long as they want but the minute they
are not in school they are paying rent, a portion of the cable, Internet, food,
phone hydro and gas. I am going to take every penny they give me in that and
save it for the day they move out to help them pay for their wedding, house or
RR SP what ever they want. I think this approach will give them the best
education on what it takes to live on their own.
Chris
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Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
Just over 17, moved out, went to college (paid by mommy and daddy). Never
moved back in. Kids these days not only don't move out, but they sit on
the couch and play video games and smoke pot until they're 25.
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Tanya AKA MissT74
Left home at 17 1/2 (pregnant)
Moved back at 18 (made up with parents)
Left home again at 19 1/2 (to live with baby's father)
Moved back at 21 1/2 (didn't work out/last)
Left home again at 22 (moved with sister)
Moved back at 23 (bad financial problems)
Left at 25 and haven't been back since. (lived with fiance #2, then by myself,
then got married, then moved to Kingman, then moved out on my own again at 32)
T
On Mar 26 2007 5:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
comfail
wait until the housing bubble pops. I give it to the end of summer.
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On Mar 26 2007 5:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
>
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On Mar 26 2007 8:07 PM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> On Mar 26 2007 5:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> > I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> estemated
> > time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> were
> > and/or how old your children were when they left?
> >
> > I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> > even after college!
>
> Just over 17, moved out, went to college (paid by mommy and daddy). Never
> moved back in. Kids these days not only don't move out, but they sit on
> the couch and play video games and smoke pot until they're 25.
Only if someone lets them.
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bjgka...@aol.com
<ae2d...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Mar 26 2007 5:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> estemated
> > time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> were
> > and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> > I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> > even after college!
>
> Just over 17, moved out, went to college (paid by mommy and daddy). Never
> moved back in. Kids these days not only don't move out, but they sit on
> the couch and play video games and smoke pot until they're 25.
Or, they leave, get married, have kids, get divorced, then move back
home with their kids. It could be much worse, guys (and girls). I
know more than one family who's raising their grand-kids. In one
case, an old woman I know is raising her great-grandchild.
Barbara Gallamore
Barbara Gallamore
bjgka...@aol.com
> wait until the housing bubble pops. I give it to the end of summer.
You're right. Then some parents will be moving back home with the
grandparents.
Barbara Gallamore
FellKnight
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
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FellKnight
> Left home at 17 1/2 (pregnant)
> Moved back at 18 (made up with parents)
> Left home again at 19 1/2 (to live with baby's father)
> Moved back at 21 1/2 (didn't work out/last)
> Left home again at 22 (moved with sister)
> Moved back at 23 (bad financial problems)
> Left at 25 and haven't been back since. (lived with fiance #2, then by
myself,
> then got married, then moved to Kingman, then moved out on my own again at
32)
>
> T
You would have to make things confusing...
Fell
RazzO
;)
> On Mar 26 2007 8:26 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote:
> > Left at 25 and haven't been back since. (lived with fiance #2, then by
> myself,
> > then got married, then moved to Kingman, then moved out on my own again at
> 32)
RazzO
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eleaticus
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> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving
home
> even after college!
What?!?!???
The US is becoming civilized?
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Marc M
> estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving
> home
> even after college!
>
19. Never even thought about moving back. I did live with my aunt for
about a year (paying rent) when I was 20/21, but I was almost never there.
JohnnyYooper
in Italy, its not uncommon for men to still be living at home in
their 30's.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5761647/
Gary Carson
On Mar 26 2007 10:32 PM, bjgka...@aol.com wrote:
> On Mar 26, 7:07=EF=BF=BDpm, "Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster"
> wrote:
> > On Mar 26 2007 5:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> > estemated
> > > time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old =
> you
> > were
> > > and/or how old your children were when they left?
> >
> > > I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving=
> home
> > > even after college!
> >
> > Just over 17, moved out, went to college (paid by mommy and daddy). =A0Ne=
> ver
> > moved back in. =A0Kids these days not only don't move out, but they sit on
> > the couch and play video games and smoke pot until they're 25.
>
>
> Or, they leave, get married, have kids, get divorced, then move back
> home with their kids. It could be much worse, guys (and girls). I
> know more than one family who's raising their grand-kids. In one
> case, an old woman I know is raising her great-grandchild.
A long time ago, when I lived in Baton Rouge, there was a little girl who lived
around the corner, she was about 10 or 11, who used to spend the afternoons in
my garage, in a chair, doing her homework in her lap. It's jot like my garage
was air conditioned. Did I say this was in Baton Rouge.
I let her do it because of her reason. Her older sister and older sister's
baby was still living with mama. When the little girl would get home from
school the older sister would give her the baby to watch and leave to go bar
hopping. So the little girl would do her homework in our garage and not go home
until mama got home from work.
My wife didn't want to offer her the use of the house because her family was
nuts and we didn't want to risk older sister (or mama for that matter) to find
out the girl hide in the house. In the garage we could present the pretense
that we didn't know anything about it. We did buy a lap board at a flea market
and put it in the garage for the girl to use.
Rednecks make great neighbors.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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Douglas Dunn
I moved out (with minor coercing) at 17. My Dad moved in to my
basement at 29. I have 2 guest rooms, but I guess he figured it'd be
more inconvenient to be in the way of the washer/dryer and hottub.
Doug
slmick5
I was actually 17. In 1988 my girlfriend got pregnant while we were in high
school. We got married about 3 months later. I joined the Army shortly after
my son was born in Jan of 89..............2 kids and almost 19 years later,
we're still at it.
Had it not been for that, there is no telling when I would have left. My mom
and dad had divorced when I was 13. I was pretty much just a immature, punk
kid. Fortunatly it took all of about 3 days of basic training to get that all
out of me.
On Mar 26 2007 7:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
>
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John_Brian_K
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I am a 40 year old professional poker player!
I left house at age 14 to study in boarding school.
I got married at 26 years.
At age 33, With 4 children and a Housewife to support I started
playing
poker (limit holdem) as a professional.
At age 35 me, wife and my children moved back with my parents.
Now my family, my parents all live in one big house (separate
kitchen).
Poker has given me a peaceful happy life beyond my dreams.
Now I spent my time learning Enlightenment.
Chris Argento
On Mar 26 2007 8:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
>
I think a lot of it is just a change in the times. Taken from a New York Times
article by Anna Bahney:
<The bottom line is that the assumption that financial obligations to children ended after graduation from high school or college is going the way of the pay phone. Today, parents are finding that they are on the hook for more, sometimes much more contributions of thousands of dollars a year to help young men and women get on their feet economically, often into their 30's.
The economic dilemmas facing young adults were chronicled in two recent books:
"Generation Debt" by Anya Kamenetz and "Strapped: Why America's 20- and
30-Somethings Can't Get Ahead," by Tamara Draut. Both explore how paychecks have
stalled, housing costs have risen, education costs have skyrocketed and credit
has become so available as to be dangerous.
Ms. Draut, the director of the economic opportunity program at Demos, a New York
think tank, said students now leave college with an average of $20,000 in loans,
which "added to these flat-lined paychecks and high costs of living, tips people
over the edge."
While economic stresses may be exacerbated in cities like New York, people in
other areas of the country are feeling the pressures as well. Nationally, 34
percent of those between 18 and 34 receive cash from their parents annually,
according to a study by the Institute of Social Research at the
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/university_o
f_michigan/index.html?inline=nyt-org published in "On the Frontier of Adulthood"
in 2005. Cash is only part of the picture; parents also make generous presents
of clothes, cars and help with down payments.>
It's an interesting article. The full text is available here -
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/20/fashion/thursdaystyles/20money.html?ex=1303185
600&en=669a8061de85feb0&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt
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On Mar 26 2007 7:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
>
I didn't leave until the day I was married -- my 31st birthday. Nobody saw a
reason for me to leave. I had a full-time job and paid whatever bills I had.
My parents didn't ask me to pay rent, but I did buy grocery items here and
there. It would have been expensive living on my own on my secretary's salary,
and I was the only child, so there was no hurry to get out. Now I sort of wish
I had though. I mean, it was very pleasant and all, and certainly more
comfortable for me financially, but I wish I would have granted myself some
independence between being single and being married. Maybe.
- Mrs. E
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On Mar 26 2007 10:41 PM, eleaticus wrote:
> What?!?!???
>
> The US is becoming civilized?
>
> --
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> ee-lee-AT-i-cus
> elea...@bellsouth.net
Freeloading = Civilized....
Got it.
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supporting their 30 yr old children. If that's necessary then you did
a shitty job raising them.
Responsible credit management, saving, and organization should all be
life lessons they know by heart while in their teens.
Mike D.
On Mar 27, 10:01 am, Chris Argento <ChArge1...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Mar 26 2007 8:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> > estemated
> > time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> > were
> > and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> > I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> > even after college!
>
> I think a lot of it is just a change in the times. Taken from a New York Times
> article by Anna Bahney:
>
> <The bottom line is that the assumption that financial obligations to children ended after graduation from high school or college is going the way of the pay phone. Today, parents are finding that they are on the hook for more, sometimes much more contributions of thousands of dollars a year to help young men and women get on their feet economically, often into their 30's.
>
> The economic dilemmas facing young adults were chronicled in two recent books:
> "Generation Debt" by Anya Kamenetz and "Strapped: Why America's 20- and
> 30-Somethings Can't Get Ahead," by Tamara Draut. Both explore how paychecks have
> stalled, housing costs have risen, education costs have skyrocketed and credit
> has become so available as to be dangerous.
>
> Ms. Draut, the director of the economic opportunity program at Demos, a New York
> think tank, said students now leave college with an average of $20,000 in loans,
> which "added to these flat-lined paychecks and high costs of living, tips people
> over the edge."
>
> While economic stresses may be exacerbated in cities like New York, people in
> other areas of the country are feeling the pressures as well. Nationally, 34
> percent of those between 18 and 34 receive cash from their parents annually,
> according to a study by the Institute of Social Research at thehttp://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/u/u...
> f_michigan/index.html?inline=nyt-org published in "On the Frontier of Adulthood"
> in 2005. Cash is only part of the picture; parents also make generous presents
> of clothes, cars and help with down payments.>
>
> It's an interesting article. The full text is available here -http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/20/fashion/thursdaystyles/20money.html...
Tsul...@aol.com
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
>
> Your Online Poker Community -http://www.recpoker.com
Well i'm far from a poker pro but i'm 25 and living at home...and
sometimes sit in the basement and smoke pot and play video games =-)
I left home at 17 for college and came back for 6 months after college
which has since turned into 3 years. I see all this stuff about "26 is
the new 21" and "The Boomerang Generation" etc. and all these reasons
and economic factors, and on one hand i really don't want to read
things like that because in part it's a panacea for people my age
still wallowing at home, on the other there is some merit to a lot of
the things said.
I could probably afford to move out of my house, a single apartment in
the ghetto of Rhode Island is on average $750/month, this would mean
dining out once a month and pretty much not spending any money
elsewhere. An additional $400 might be spent on a bulletproof vest.
All i can think about is how if i did move out and live month to month
i would 1. never save money for a down payment, or just save money in
general 2. be making some slumlord a little richer. My friends are
either all fiscal degenerates or have already moved in with their
fiances, if i could make the acquaintance of a young lady that i
didn't resent, she could help share the burden and that would be
manageable. I've worked since i was 14 (minimum legal age in RI) and
have worked full time since college, so laziness isn't really the
issue. I could move out and be a broke hermit or stay at home and be
moderately broke, i'll choose the latter.
My brother is 28 and has lived at home for about 3 years as well, he
graduated then was able to get a job as the house manager (free rent
in Boston) at his old fraternity, and was working full time, the frat
lost its house so he had to move home. He went to a 5 year private
school (Northeastern University) and is SADDLED with debt. His loans
were over 100K when he graduated from school, dad passed away when he
was 18, mom is disabled, he should have qualified for a shitload more
in AID and not LOANS, but hadn't anyone to guide him how to fill out
forms...although who knows how much better he could have really done.
After a nightmarish few years and several debt consolidations i think
he got it down to like $800/month. He pays his bills and barely keeps
his head above water, i'm doing much better but don't really feel like
i am.
If your parents paid you through college i would say you are in a MUCH
better position to move out on your own, BUT that also might heigten a
person's entitlement complex where they don't know the value of a
dollar and won't withdraw an extended palm until it's slapped away.
So i think there's probably a more complex issue than a lot of more
senior adults would think, at least subjectively as a 25 year old it
seems that way. What i do now to try and extra motivate me - and this
IS silly i know - is to go back and think about how old i thought 25
was when i was 17, how if i met someone that was 25 he was basically a
young old dude, i need to embrace my inner old dude.
Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
> On Mar 26, 7:41 pm, Porsche_Dan <43080...@recpoker.com> wrote:
> > I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
estemated
> > time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
were
> > and/or how old your children were when they left?
> >
> > I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving
home
> > even after college!
> >
I missed the thread where you posted your approval certificate from Mr.
Coleman. Could you repost it?
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On Mar 27 2007 1:24 PM, Tsul...@aol.com wrote:
> Well i'm far from a poker pro but i'm 25 and living at home...and
> sometimes sit in the basement and smoke pot and play video games =-)
<snip painfully long whine session>
Man, this thread has turned into a big long bleeding heart whine session....
Why the hell can't people make it on their own? The answer is that they don't
like the discomfort of it. Jesus, I was late in my 17th year when my mom tossed
me out on my ass; and since then I've had maybe a year total time where I
haven't HAD to make rent for the month. I'm 27 years old by the way so you can
compare here, I'm not from some other generation where "things were different."
Sometimes I've had to live without utilities, sometimes without food, sometimes
without protection with armed men at my door. I'll tell you, it sucks ASS
having no heat in the winter time and no hot water for a shower. It totally
sucked having no money to do ANYTHING fun at all because it was a choice between
feeding myself or seeing a movie for the first time in a year or so. Not once
have I taken a government penny, or deluded myself into believing that I was
owed some unpaid debt from my mother.
You people make my stomach turn. Grow some balls and get the FUCK out of the
nest already, your parents are sick of feeding you by now. It's hard to get out
on your own and keep that up, it always has been and it always WILL BE. The
entitlement era that we're living in has me reeling with how much shit people
expect should just be handed to them. For what? The virtue of their ownership
of skin?
You; dude with the excuses that I'm replying to. Go get yourself an apartment
and a job. Same goes for any potential rationalizers who will no doubt be
showing up on this thread.
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John_Brian_K
> Coleman. Could you repost it?
This was this guy wasn't it lol
Not laughing at you buddy.
I am 30 and have managed to pay my own share of bills out of my
parents house since I was 18. I live in MICHIGAN also. People
outside of MICHIGAN may not know what is going on here, but the auto
industry is basically in shambles and was our bread and butter and our
mayor is a wannabe pimp who charges EVERYTHING to the city and hires
EVERY fuckin thug he knows for 'security' and they travel everywhere
with him.
So basically our state is fucked and I am managing without a degree as
of yet.
Good luck to all those who live at home I honestly hope you all do
well in the real world.
John_Brian_K
> <snip painfully long whine session>
> Follow :)
LOL j/k man I am in the same boat.
Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
> On Mar 27 2007 1:24 PM, Tsul...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Well i'm far from a poker pro but i'm 25 and living at home...and
> > sometimes sit in the basement and smoke pot and play video games =-)
>
> <snip painfully long whine session>
>
> Man, this thread has turned into a big long bleeding heart whine session....
<snip Follow's excellent reply>
I'll give a bit more on my life:
I left home at 17 and went away to college. Yes, my parents paid. I got
my degree in 4 years, and left college with an engineering job at Bechtel
already lined up. Being an idiot, I got married right away, at 21, and we
had kids right away (I was 22). Our first kids were twin boys (identical)
who turned out to both be autistic (diagnosed when they were 3). They are
not mildly autistic, they are very autistic. They will be 21 in a couple
months and are still in special ed at the local high school where they are
trying to teach them to MAYBE have a job of some sort. Not getting there
yet though.
We had two more children who are now 18 and 15. The 18 year old is
starting college next year as a physics major (he wants to be a professor
like his grandfather) and my 15 year old attends an exclusive ballet
academy out of state (her own choice).
My wife and I split about 14 years ago. I left her the house to live in
since she had all the kids. I didn't require that she work. I continued
to pay for EVERYTHING for all these years, including my own living
expenses. She finally sold the house this year, and we split the proceeds
and are finally going ahead with a divorce (we didn't all these years
because it was helpful to her for me to provide health insurance etc).
She was awarded $3000 child support FOR LIFE for the autistic boys. She
still doesn't want to work. I'm now supported all that plus my girlfriend
who lives with me (we bought a nice house based mostly on some big poker
wins last year).
My father left me a bit of money when he died, but I didn't ask him for
it. Yes, I have struggled quite a bit of the time over the years, but all
this was my responsibility. Sometimes the "real world" sucks, but damn,
anybody can come up with enough for rent/food/car for themselves alone.
What does it take, $2k/month? My friggin electric bill is almost
$1k/month.
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On Mar 27 2007 3:24 PM, Tsul...@aol.com wrote:
> On Mar 26, 7:41 pm, Porsche_Dan <43080...@recpoker.com> wrote:
> > I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> > estemated
> > time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> > were
> > and/or how old your children were when they left?
> >
> > I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> > even after college!
> >
> > _______________________________________________________________
> > Your Online Poker Community -/
I only have one question for you do you in any way contribute to your house and
your mother's bills or are you a leach on her pocket book?
You sound like you have a grasp on what it takes to be on your own and you sound
like you have researched it. Are you doing anything about it or do you have the
Plamsa hooked up to a XBOX 360 in the basement a shiny fast car in the drive way
a balance on your credit card and a savings account that is just there to catch
your paycheck and bounce it right back out the ATM cloest to the bar?
Chris
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Chris Argento
On Mar 27 2007 5:16 PM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> On Mar 27 2007 12:48 PM, Follow wrote:
>
> > On Mar 27 2007 1:24 PM, Tsul...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Well i'm far from a poker pro but i'm 25 and living at home...and
> > > sometimes sit in the basement and smoke pot and play video games =-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Man, this thread has turned into a big long bleeding heart whine session....
> >
>
>
>
> I'll give a bit more on my life:
I guess I just don't understand Follow's hostility or your point (I don't know
if you are trying to make one or just telling a story). To me, it doesn't seem
like a necessarily negative thing for someone to live at home (meaning their
parents' home) into their 20's if their parents have no problem with it. I see
positive benefits from it that are tangible (cheaper, ability to build savings
and not have to rely on credit, ability to pay down student loans, etc.) while
the negatives (lack of responsibility, etc.) are impossible to prove. For
people that have the choice of living at home or moving out on their own, I
don't see one side as being inherently negative or positive.
pokerchimp
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
I left home at 16 to go to college. hen i graduated, i moved to SF, CA
for a little over 2 years. my high-school.college bf convinced me to moved
back, so i moved back in with my parents, and my grandmther, who had lived
with them since they were marrie (YES MY father is a saint).
I lved with my parents for about 5 years after that. I always paid
something toward hosehold expenses. The last 2 years I lived there i had
avery high paying job, and started t save money for a house. Then I went
to vegas on a business trip, won a lot of money, decided i a a great
blackjack and poker player, took all the money I had and moved to. I was
not a great player and all my money was soon gone. I stayed in vegas and
California for about 7 years. then i got very ill, and stayed with my
parents for a few years, while I was unable to work. I met a girl and
moved out and thank god haven't had to move back. But if i needed to, i
know my parents wouldn't have a problem with it.
Even though my father made a nice living, and the house in NJ was paid
off, some things happened that put a financial strain on them. My brther,
who owned an expensive piece of land for investment purposes, sold tha and
bought them a house in florida. It not only about children these days,
it's about our older family members who provided for us, and taking care
of them now.
I DON't see anything wrong with young people or old people joining
together as a family unit to keep costs down and improve their style of
living, if they need to and as long as they get along. For some it may be
a matter of laziness, but for others, it's just practical. no way a young
person could could afford to make a downpayment on a home after college.
Staying with parents allows you to save. Even if you don't contribute
fiancially, you should be doing more than your share of the cooking,
cleaning and other chores, and always be respectful to your parents.
thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
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I dunno, seems like a growing up thing. How can you be considered an
adult if you are still living like a child? Personally, I think every 18
year old boy child should be required to leave home and join the military
for at least 2 years, and then go to college or work or whatever. That
will get you out of mommy and daddy's house, and will push you toward
adulthood.
Of course, that is easy for me to say, as I didn't do it.
My parents had a different idea. When I was in college they sold the
house and moved into "seizure world" (actually, Leisure World) an over 55
retirement community. They had hard and fast rules about people under 55
staying there. I could spend a night if my parents were sick, something
like that, but even then I'd get harassed. No moving back in for me.
Bring the kids for a visit of an hour or two, then get the hell out and go
back home.
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John_Brian_K
>
> I left home at 17 and went away to college. Yes, my parents paid. I got
> my degree in 4 years, and left college with an engineering job at Bechtel
> already lined up.
This is VERY funny. We sue Bechtel ALL the time lol sorry if you
still work for them :) I just work here
> Being an idiot, I got married right away, at 21, and we
> had kids right away (I was 22). Our first kids were twin boys (identical)
> who turned out to both be autistic (diagnosed when they were 3). They are
> not mildly autistic, they are very autistic. They will be 21 in a couple
> months and are still in special ed at the local high school where they are
> trying to teach them to MAYBE have a job of some sort. Not getting there
> yet though.
I know you didnt post it for this, but that sucks man hopefully they
get somethin good goin.
> We had two more children who are now 18 and 15. The 18 year old is
> starting college next year as a physics major (he wants to be a professor
> like his grandfather) and my 15 year old attends an exclusive ballet
> academy out of state (her own choice).
>
> My wife and I split about 14 years ago. I left her the house to live in
> since she had all the kids. I didn't require that she work. I continued
> to pay for EVERYTHING for all these years, including my own living
> expenses. She finally sold the house this year, and we split the proceeds
> and are finally going ahead with a divorce (we didn't all these years
> because it was helpful to her for me to provide health insurance etc).
> She was awarded $3000 child support FOR LIFE for the autistic boys. She
> still doesn't want to work. I'm now supported all that plus my girlfriend
> who lives with me (we bought a nice house based mostly on some big poker
> wins last year).
>
> My father left me a bit of money when he died, but I didn't ask him for
> it. Yes, I have struggled quite a bit of the time over the years, but all
> this was my responsibility. Sometimes the "real world" sucks, but damn,
> anybody can come up with enough for rent/food/car for themselves alone.
> What does it take, $2k/month? My friggin electric bill is almost
> $1k/month.
I am right around 2k a month and am doing fine.
John_Brian_K
> I DON't see anything wrong with young people or old people joining
> together as a family unit to keep costs down and improve their style of
> living, if they need to and as long as they get along. For some it may be
> a matter of laziness, but for others, it's just practical. no way a young
> person could could afford to make a downpayment on a home after college.
> Staying with parents allows you to save. Even if you don't contribute
> fiancially, you should be doing more than your share of the cooking,
> cleaning and other chores, and always be respectful to your parents.
I really do not see anything wrong with it. I can move back with my
parents right now if I wanted, but to me it is a pride thing. Nothing
gained is nothing earned. To me I would feel like a schlub if I lived
with my parents when i was 20, but others find this ok - no big deal-
I pay all my own bills and have for over 10 years. This is just the
way it is for me.
Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
> > I'll give a bit more on my life:
> >
> > I left home at 17 and went away to college. Yes, my parents paid. I got
> > my degree in 4 years, and left college with an engineering job at Bechtel
> > already lined up.
>
> This is VERY funny. We sue Bechtel ALL the time lol sorry if you
> still work for them :) I just work here
LOL, no
>
> I know you didnt post it for this, but that sucks man hopefully they
> get somethin good goin.
>
Not yet...things are what they are.
>
> I am right around 2k a month and am doing fine.
See? That's what I figured. I could make it on $2k/month if I didn't
have all these damn freeloaders lol. I could even be a poker pro/pizza
deliverman.
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On Mar 27 2007 4:33 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> I DON't see anything wrong with young people or old people joining
> together as a family unit to keep costs down and improve their style of
> living, if they need to and as long as they get along. For some it may be
> a matter of laziness, but for others, it's just practical. no way a young
> person could could afford to make a downpayment on a home after college.
> Staying with parents allows you to save. Even if you don't contribute
> fiancially, you should be doing more than your share of the cooking,
> cleaning and other chores, and always be respectful to your parents.
>
> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
Same here, pokerchimp. I lived with my parents for a long time, but it wasn't
like I was just bumming off of them. I had worked full time since I was 16, and
never asked them for any money. Some may say I was indirectly taking their
money because I was living under their roof and eating their food (occasionally
- I was rarely home anyway between my job and social life), but I certainly did
my share around the house. Now that I am writing more about it, I remember now
that I did pay the household phone and cable bill.
My boys are only 3 and 4, and they can stay as long as they want as far as we're
concerned. My husband didn't move out of his parents' house until he was 34.
He had a college degree and a good job, and staying with his parents enabled him
to save up enough money for a nice down payment on his first house. Our living
at home also enabled us to pay cash for our wedding and honeymoon, and to pay
off our credit cards before we had kids so that we could afford my staying home
with them.
I never understood the concept of a parent booting a kid out just because they
turn a certain age. There's nothing wrong with parents giving their children a
leg up on life, letting them wait until they're a bit established before they go
out on their own. Hell, it's tough enough as it is when you are established.
So what's the rush? I won't feel a need to kick my kids out just because their
age is the magic number of 18, 21 or 25 (or even 30+). I'm their mother, no
matter how old they are. (Now, this is coming from someone who was a bit of a
mama's girl, so consider the source.)
If they're not working and not contributing to the household, that's an entirely
different thing. It's also a different thing when they're ready to get married
and start a family. Then it is time to leave the nest. But if they're single,
going to school and/or working, and helping around the house, then I really
don't see the big deal.
- Mrs. E
P.S. I like Harrison's idea of saving his kids' rent money for wedding costs or
a down payment on a home.
Deadmoney Walking
So we should leave our parents to live without utilities or hot water
for the sake of your stomach?
Gary Carson
On Mar 27 2007 4:16 PM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
> On Mar 27 2007 12:48 PM, Follow wrote:
>
> > On Mar 27 2007 1:24 PM, Tsul...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Well i'm far from a poker pro but i'm 25 and living at home...and
> > > sometimes sit in the basement and smoke pot and play video games =-)
> >
> >
> >
> > Man, this thread has turned into a big long bleeding heart whine session....
> >
>
>
>
> I'll give a bit more on my life:
>
> I left home at 17 and went away to college. Yes, my parents paid.
Deadbeat.
I left home at 18 to go to Vietnam so I'd qualify for GI Bill money to pay for
college.
Pussies.
> I got
> my degree in 4 years,
I got my degree in 3 years because I was paying for it and couldn't afford to
lay around on the couch like you did.
Bunch of wimps.
Deadmoney Walking
grrr, Did the OP Have to post this on my birthday?
Anyway, I moved back home when I was 26. I figured I would move out
as soon as I got a job that pays me enough to pay rent. I'm sure it
will come anytime now.
Gary Carson
On Mar 27 2007 4:52 PM, Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster wrote:
>
> My parents had a different idea. When I was in college they sold the
> house and moved into "seizure world" (actually, Leisure World) an over 55
> retirement community. They had hard and fast rules about people under 55
> staying there.
My parents moved to another state while I was in Vietnam and didn't tell me. My
sister wrote me a letter about the move about a month after they moved.
Anything to make sure I didn't try to move back in.
bjgka...@aol.com
Good post, Mrs. E. I agree with both you and Chimp on this issue.
Another thing to consider is that some parents might need a child to
live with them to help with expenses and chores. There are possible
benefits to both grown children and their parents if they share a
house.
Other races and nationalities don't seem to feel that different
generations sharing a home carries a stigma. For instance, I know
some Mexican families who have no problem sharing their homes with
several different generations. Also, Asian families tend to work and
live together. This custom strengthens and benefits all the members
of the families, for the most part.
It's too bad more people don't realize this. If they did, we'd
probably see less homeless people on our streets.
Myself, I'm in the process of getting a house in North Carolina, next
to my youngest Son. I plan to live there eventually and can count on
him to help me as I age and become more dependent.
If we can't depend on our family to help us when we need help. they
we're really in trouble. I'm grateful I can depend on mine when I
need them and they know from experience that they can count on me.
Barbara Gallamore
Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Yeah, but we don't need to all live together. It is all I can do to
handle ONE other person being around all the time. The kids are grown,
get out and let me have some time alone for the rest of my life. We
didn't have a very close family.
____________________________________________________________________
bjgka...@aol.com
<ae2d...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Mar 27 2007 3:15 PM, bjgkara...@aol.com wrote:
My family is very independent also, but we are prepared to help each
other when it becomes necessary. For instance, my oldest Son shares a
home with his Father, who has some health issues. My Son pays half
the bills, does the yard and repair work on the weekends, and fixes
his Father dinner every night.
This same Son and I have many differences of opinion, but 10 years ago
when I had major heart surgery, he stayed with me for 3 weeks after I
came home and took excellent care of me when I really needed him.
As I said previously, I'll expect my youngest Son to give me any help
I might need when and if I ever make the move to North Carolina. Of
course, I'll have my own separate house, so he and his family will
have their privacy and so will I.
This is the best retirement plan I've been able to make, considering I
spent my middle and later years goofing off, traveling, playing poker,
and partying my butt off.
Barbara Gallamore
pokerchimp
That's too bad brew. I lucked out with a fabulous family. I am not that
close with my brother, but I am with my sister-in-law. My parents are the
nuts. They have been very married 54 years. My father only retired 2
years ago. We never thought he would, but then my brother bought them the
house They are like two kids on their honeymoon. There was always a lot
of love in our house. I know that my brother and i, at 52 and 48, and my
2 nephews, are absolutely their number one prioityin life.
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Don't get me wrong, my parents loved each other, and loved us two kids.
We just have never been a kissy huggy close family. I work right about a
mile from where my sister lives, and she works mostly at home, but I have
seen her only once in the last 6 months (we went out to dinner). That is
fine with both of us. Before my parents died I saw them about once a
month...took the kids down and visited for an hour or two. I also spoke
to my dad about once a week before he died. That was enough. We got
along great, but I was grown, my sister was grown, my parents got their
lives back. Good enough for all of us. Of course, I have cousins that
live close (I drive past their house on the way home every day) and I
haven't seen them in 3 years. Not that I dislike them...I actually like
them very much. I just really have no need to be around "loved ones" most
of the time. I have my girlfriend around, which I love, and my kids come
every few weeks now that they are grown. The only thing I REALLY miss is
seeing my daughter since she is growing up so far away now.
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Flybynight
difference between people that move out early in their lives and those
that move out late.
I frigging hate that. I know this girl that moved out when she was 16
and all she does is brag about how she is so independent. She's a
basket case though with all kind of emotional problems.
I moved out when I was 32 and thank you very much, I am well adjusted,
now excuse me, I have to ask my mom for permission to go to the
bathroom.
J/k
Welchy the Welcher
On Mar 26 2007 5:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
>
I am a 60 year old enlightened kundalini yoga master. I haven't moved in 60
years, but I kicked my parents out about 20 years ago. They still send me
monthly checks though, and I supplement that by playing 25c 50c limit holdem on
Poker Stars.
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Beldin the Sorcerer
"Porsche_Dan" <4308...@recpoker.com> wrote in message
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>
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving
home
> even after college!
>
Moved out at 19.
Paid my own way since, though I have borrowed money (paid back regularly,
with interest) on two occasions.
Beldin the Sorcerer
"Follow" <4308...@recpoker.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> On Mar 27 2007 1:24 PM, Tsul...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Well i'm far from a poker pro but i'm 25 and living at home...and
> > sometimes sit in the basement and smoke pot and play video games =-)
>
> <snip painfully long whine session>
>
> Man, this thread has turned into a big long bleeding heart whine
session....
ways rant>
Elsewhere in this thread you'll see that I moved out at 19. While I didn't
specifically state it, I paid for my own education, as far as I've gone
(went to Bentley but didn't finish). I waited 2 years to save enough to
start.
That was in the '80's. College has outpaced inflation by at least 3% a year
for the last 20 years.
You can't work your way through college any more. You borrow through, or you
take 10 years to finish.
Beldin the Sorcerer
"Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster" <ae2...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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2k where? (hypothetical list below)
1 bedroom apt rent : $1200
Auto expense (insurance, maint, gas) $300
Phone, long distance, internet $100
cable $60
food $250
Health insurance $150
Electric $100
Clothing (entropy is constant, everything wears out) $25 (if you go cheap)
Now the wild card :
Student loans :???
Tsul...@aol.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
I like this thread. A simple closed ended question opened the fuck up
wide for a closer look, sort of like a poker hand or something. I
think your post and Follow's have a vein in common that it's tougher
for kids to move out now because maybe there is an expectation of a
certain standard of living, and they know that moving out would likely
diminish it a bit. For me it's a combination of 2 things mostly, my
mom needs a lot of help shopping, cleaning, cooking, caretaking, etc.
I also think that the goal isn't just to escape the nest, it's to do
it on good footing where i can set myself up to not break even and
live month-to-month in 5-10 years but having investments to boot, long
term financially speaking, staying at home for a little bit makes the
most sense. If i was at my mom's throat 24-7 or vice versa i would
make the less fiscally sound decision and head out right quick im
sure. Everyone has their own thing going on, it's one thing if you
have the general idea of things under your belt or just an
incorrugible bum who treats every dime as 100% discretionary and uses
home like a Motel 6.
Maverick
need to be out on their own right away or something is wrong. I'd
like any parent who believes that to sit down with me and show me how
their kid is going to support himself right after highschool or
college for that matter. Finances these days suck compared to my
parents generation. Back then, you could get a nice job out of
highschool w/retirement and expenses were low.
Parents who let their kids stay at home, not only get a better idea of
what they are doing, but also get to save cash they'd otherwise be
loaning to their kid had their kid been forced to rent an apt with
some low paying job and putting their credit at risk and maybe
becoming broke single parents repeating the same mistakes.
People who want kids these days should really take some responsibility
for making sure their kids are self sustaining in life and not
arbitrarily using some made up age to cut the cord. After all, we
don't all develop at the same rate and if someone is forced to work
some McD job to pay the bills, how is that person supposed to fully
develop into a thriving adult?
While I'll encourage my kids to see the world a bit or do something
noteworthy as adults they can look back on, they will always be
welcome in my home until they get sick of me and want to live on their
own.
Bother@forgedpostsanonymous.unorg Cymbal Man Freq.
and my hair is starting to turn grey.
The Fred
dropped out but I was many levels ahead and well on my way
to COLLEGE COURSES at 12.... but I quit to hustle grey area
TV.
I did really very well and pad alot of household bills
for my parents.. it was a solid deal, my father was a
private contractor working his ass off right along side his
cre and making a killing... I was making alot of money and
my grandmother was giving alot of money to us all....
Then grandmas money ran out, dad fell ill,
and I was making a good chunk of the household income by
14.. by fifteen I had taken over the house, lived in a
3400SF house ALONE with several good used Cadillacs and a
nice large heated three car garage.
I brought in a woman and pretty well took her as
my wife, put her through school, made sure that she did not
have to work, etc... spent three years in that house
together we did. She got into drugs and turned on me, I went
broke couldn't keep the house up or anything and haven't
been the same since.
You spineless young cocksucking government
paid or parent leeching scums of todays generation need to
get with it and grow some balls. I've never taken money from
my parents (I've given them 1000s and 1000s) and I've never
taken $1 from the government.
I am well qualified for govt. benefits and
thousands in "backpay" but I don't even apply for it.
I know it ain't easy these days, a good
honest working man can't afford a home much less can he keep
a wife an children.. this country is collapsing around us
because no one realises what is happening much less do they
care... the caring ones are generally too dumb to know what
is wrong too. What a mess. I really feel for some of you
whiny pukes but some of you I don't.
The moral of the story:
Try and be more like me you young idiots!
Buy a Cadillac, a good gun, if you take a woman you do right
by her and you have no business taking one if you can't
properly support her, and the time to stop sucking on your
mothers boobs is when you're a little baby not when you're
fifty.
Learn to be independant now or later! If your parents carry
you and you think you will be fine living off of an
inheritance, FORGET IT, no matter how much you inherit,
you're worthless in that you don't know fuck all about life
and you'll end up penniless!!!
LEARN NOW OR LATER.. Showing some dick and balls NOW is MUCH
EASIER
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Deadmoney Walking
> White people really screw this up. Only white people think that kids
> need to be out on their own right away or something is wrong. I'd
> like any parent who believes that to sit down with me and show me how
> their kid is going to support himself right after highschool or
> college for that matter. Finances these days suck compared to my
> parents generation. Back then, you could get a nice job out of
> highschool w/retirement and expenses were low.
That's a good point. It IS a bit different. My Dad went graduated
from engineering school in 1959. He told me that the contractors
would come to the U. and set up tables in the class hallways. One by
one, the seniors would take 5 min out of class and talk to them. Any
kid that competent got a job offer.
Russell Patterson
wrote:
>
>I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an estemated
>time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you were
>and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
>I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
>even after college!
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________
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People in their 20s who are living off their parents should give some
consideration to the fact that their parents may well be forfeiting
any possibility of a retirement, unless they help financially while
living at home. As soon as you are able to get out on your own, you
need to do so, for your own sake and for your parents sake.
I left home at 18, got married, had a son, got divorced, got
remarried, had three more kids in quick succession. My wife is afraid
of being in an empty nest, so she doesn't say much to the kids about
helping out. They are all in the low 20s. Other than the house and a
paltry 401K, I am looking at working until I drop. And the house, due
to refinancing to help pay the bills, etc, is still owned mostly by
the bank.
My recommendations to anyone starting out on their own are to:
1. Live well within your means. Buy that townhouse instead of the
single family home. You may eventually outgrow it, especially if you
get married and start having kids. Don't buy the house you think you
will live in for the rest of your life if you have to live month to
month with no extra cash. If you keep your payments low, then when
you are ready to move, or if you have to move, you may well find
yourself in a position to keep that (townhouse) and use it as rental
income while you purchase another residence. If you do buy a second
residence, start reading this paragrapgh over again. By keeping your
payments low in comparison to your income, the mortgage payment will
be lower than the future rent payments you can get. Most of the
people I have known that lived this way early on are now quite well
off and had the opportunity for early retirement.
2. Don't feel obligated to get married and have children right away,
if ever. Do you know what group of people has the greatest amount of
disposable income, that can be used for travel, nice cars etc.? Gays.
There is only one reason for that. NO children! I am not espousing
the gay lifestyle, but the fact is they do have a different standard
of living and it usually is a little higher than married heteros with
kids, making the same amount of money. "But I won't have anyone to
leave all my stuff to when I die!" I got news for you. If you have
kids, you won't have that much more to leave them that you haven't
already sent their way! OTOH, have a bunch of kids. The more people
there are that are working and paying into Social Security in the next
40 years, the better off I will be!
3. If you do have children, teach them to be independant, and self
reliant, while making sure you do everything you can to get them to
love you, because even then, it's a crapshoot as to whether or not
they will be there for you when you are older and can't work. Maybe
in that regard you'd be better off having many children, since there
would be greater odds one of them will take care of you.
4. Remember that even though you are in your twenties and living at
home with your parents, some day you will be in your thirties and
needing their help for something. Maybe even for a place to live.
the little bit of help with the finances you provide at this time
might pay dividends later on.
Follow
On Mar 27 2007 3:03 PM, Deadmoney Walking wrote:
> So we should leave our parents to live without utilities or hot water
> for the sake of your stomach?
No, you should do it for the sake of yours.
Follow
On Mar 27 2007 6:35 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> 2k where? (hypothetical list below)
> 1 bedroom apt rent : $1200
> Auto expense (insurance, maint, gas) $300
> Phone, long distance, internet $100
> cable $60
> food $250
> Health insurance $150
> Electric $100
> Clothing (entropy is constant, everything wears out) $25 (if you go cheap)
>
> Now the wild card :
> Student loans :???
Your list, including all the luxuries you added in adds up to $2160 (which
sounds like "around $2000" to me). While you're studying, you don't have to pay
student loans, and once you're graduated you should be able to find a job with
pay you can live on (otherwise what's the point of going to college in the first
place).
Not to mention the fact that AFTER graduation if you're incapable of finding a
decent job to pay them back while still meeting your basic needs, you can apply
for deferrments and such. And you can move into an area where rent isn't quite
as ridiculous as $1200/month (I pay less than $600 for a 1 bedroom). Hell, you
could get an apartment in Vegas for $700 for a 1 bedroom.
Follow :)
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I can relate. When my parents went to move from our home in NJ to
Florida, i went up to nj for a few months to help them pack up, have
garage sales and drive down. found tons of my old stuff....but of course
not the collection of baseball cards i had in the 60s
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On Mar 27 2007 6:42 PM, Tsul...@aol.com wrote:
> I like this thread. A simple closed ended question opened the fuck up
> wide for a closer look, sort of like a poker hand or something. I
> think your post and Follow's have a vein in common that it's tougher
> for kids to move out now because maybe there is an expectation of a
> certain standard of living, and they know that moving out would likely
> diminish it a bit. For me it's a combination of 2 things mostly, my
> mom needs a lot of help shopping, cleaning, cooking, caretaking, etc.
> I also think that the goal isn't just to escape the nest, it's to do
> it on good footing where i can set myself up to not break even and
> live month-to-month in 5-10 years but having investments to boot, long
> term financially speaking, staying at home for a little bit makes the
> most sense. If i was at my mom's throat 24-7 or vice versa i would
> make the less fiscally sound decision and head out right quick im
> sure. Everyone has their own thing going on, it's one thing if you
> have the general idea of things under your belt or just an
> incorrugible bum who treats every dime as 100% discretionary and uses
> home like a Motel 6.
It isn't really different today from "whenever" ago. My parents started off the
same way I did. Lived in a horrible area with their minimum necessities not met
for a while. They had to work hard to build everything. My father had nothing
to his name but the clothes on his back, and a family thousands of miles away.
Not only did he build his life, but he moved his family here as well and helped
them start out. My grandparents (mother's side) moved here too from another
country with their kids in tow and again not a dime to their name, and death
waiting for them if they returned to their country. They also built a very nice
life for themselves.
In my family, I'm the priviledged one that didn't have to escape a regime and
always had the backing of my family behind me if I got into really dire
situations. You compare our situation to that of our ancestors and the things
we whine about compared to the things they could have whined about but didn't,
you'll find that our generation is filled with pussies. Times have always been
tough, ALWAYS. But your parents found a way through it and so can you.
Follow :)
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On Mar 27 2007 1:29 PM, Chris Argento wrote:
> I guess I just don't understand Follow's hostility or your point (I don't know
> if you are trying to make one or just telling a story). To me, it doesn't
> seem
> like a necessarily negative thing for someone to live at home (meaning their
> parents' home) into their 20's if their parents have no problem with it. I
> see
> positive benefits from it that are tangible (cheaper, ability to build savings
> and not have to rely on credit, ability to pay down student loans, etc.) while
> the negatives (lack of responsibility, etc.) are impossible to prove. For
> people that have the choice of living at home or moving out on their own, I
> don't see one side as being inherently negative or positive.
The only "hostility" I have is the breeding of a society of "entitlement." The
kind of attitude people who live at home and are taken care of have is carried
with them through life. Even women (and sometimes men) who get married and are
supported all their lives get a feeling of entitlement in their heads which
doesn't ever leave them. With that carry over into their "real" lives, they
expect it from everyone else as well, no longer just their parents. You might
call that a stretch, but it's how the mindset works.
Look at our populace, filled with whiney babies who demand someone (the
government usually) provide for them rather than getting off their lazy asses
and earning the things they're begging for.
Follow :)
John_Brian_K
<ae2d...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> See? That's what I figured. I could make it on $2k/month if I didn't
> have all these damn freeloaders lol. I could even be a poker pro/pizza
> deliverman.
I am REALLY glad I have a GF that keeps me in line because I KNOW I
would end up working my 9-5 skipping school all the time and playin
10-20 at the casino if it were not for her. And of course I would
have a GREAT run for about 4-5 months and think damn i am making
almost as much playing a game I love as working maybe I should try it
ALL the time. And of course I would continue to have a good run for
another month or 2 after I quit and then BAM 2 months of REALLY bad
results and im in the poor house sweatin every bet I throw in the pot
wondering how I am going to make my rent.
Then I would end up a pizza guy/server/bartender.
Chris Argento
But you said earlier you were kicked out of your parents' house at the age of
17, you didn't voluntarily leave as a concious decision to shun any sense of
entitlement staying would have given you.
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Follow
On Mar 28 2007 9:35 AM, Chris Argento wrote:
> But you said earlier you were kicked out of your parents' house at the age of
> 17, you didn't voluntarily leave as a concious decision to shun any sense of
> entitlement staying would have given you.
My mom's, and yes I was. She had the good sense to know that sitting there
without actually getting out and experiencing the reality of the world wasn't
doing me any good at all. It was late 17/early 18, just after high school
graduation, off I went. I didn't like it at the time, and I was very vocal
about my disdain for her decision and her failure to continue to take care of me
(at least take care of me in my mind). But now, I'm over it and very thankful
for it.
It doesn't always have to be the person in question that has the good sense to
get off their ass, either party will do. But if the parents in question don't
do it, then maybe the kid can wake up first and do it on their own.
Follow :)
XaQ Morphy
> 1 bedroom apt rent : $1200
> Auto expense (insurance, maint, gas) $300
> Phone, long distance, internet $100
> cable $60
> food $250
> Health insurance $150
> Electric $100
> Clothing (entropy is constant, everything wears out) $25 (if you go cheap)
>
> Now the wild card :
> Student loans :???
lol @ that list. Would be nice to get away with just having that :)
Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> even after college!
Left for college at 17. Came back after a year, stayed the summer, then
moved out at 18. Left the house with $600 and security deposit/1st
month's rent paid for, and no job. Oh, and a pool cue, which helped me
eat at times.
Doing slightly better now.
Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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>
> I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> estemated
> time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> were
> and/or how old your children were when they left?
>
> I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving
> home
> even after college!
>
>
Paul Popinjay
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Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
Not THAT different. I got my b.s. engineering degree in 1985. Everyone
in my class interviewed with multiple companies ON CAMPUS and everyone got
a job offer before graduation. Of course, my graduating class was only
about 30, but still...
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Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster
> 15, but not exactly because I wanted to.
>
> -Paul Popinjay
You tried to flush another dog (Ala Ben Seven) and your dad tried to stop
you and you called him a commie fuck, and he threw you out?
>
>
>
> "Porsche_Dan" <4308...@recpoker.com> wrote in message
> news:1174956081$972...@recpoker.com...
> >
> > I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> > estemated
> > time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> > were
> > and/or how old your children were when they left?
> >
> > I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving
> > home
> > even after college!
> >
> >
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My rent is $525 a month. Even with supporting 2 cats and eating out a few
times a month, I can live for under $1300. It's more fun when I have
more, but some months have been slim. May I recommend Vonage, which is
like $25 a month and includes long distance.
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since i was 16, but mostly lived by myself.
Short periods would be like the year i was in the army I'd live with
them when I was on leave. When i was a student I'd live with them in
the vacations. I did however live a year with my grandmother while
working on short-term contracts (hard to get a place to live on your
self with no guaranteed income).
I've always wanted to live by myself, be my own boss. I've just had to
do it different some times because of economics etc.
I'm now 26 and manage quite fine.
CHarrison100
On Mar 27 2007 9:35 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> "Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster" wrote in message
> news:j6eod4x...@recgroups.com...
> > On Mar 27 2007 12:48 PM, Follow wrote:
> >
> > My father left me a bit of money when he died, but I didn't ask him for
> > it. Yes, I have struggled quite a bit of the time over the years, but all
> > this was my responsibility. Sometimes the "real world" sucks, but damn,
> > anybody can come up with enough for rent/food/car for themselves alone.
> > What does it take, $2k/month? My friggin electric bill is almost
> > $1k/month.
> >
>
> 2k where? (hypothetical list below)
> 1 bedroom apt rent : $1200
> Auto expense (insurance, maint, gas) $300
> Phone, long distance, internet $100
> cable $60
> food $250
> Health insurance $150
> Electric $100
> Clothing (entropy is constant, everything wears out) $25 (if you go cheap)
>
> Now the wild card :
> Student loans :???
$1100 a month is what I had to live on when i first moved out. I was working 7
nights a week at Wendy's and was still going to High School Full Time
$625 Rent (heat and hydro included)
$0 Phone - Didn't have one it was to much money
$0 Cable - Didn't have one it was to much money
$0 Internet - Didn't have one it was to much money
$200 Food - Volunteered at a food bank 2 days a week for some food and paid for
parish ables
$75 bus pass - Had to get to school and work
$100 savings for bad months and College
$100 Smokes, drinks and pet care
That was it. i wish I had $2000 a month to live on. BTW this was my grade 11
year or junior as most of you would know it. The year was 1993 in case you want
to start the cost of living crap.
My first job out of college was $25,000 a year and I thought I was rich.
Chris
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Gary Carson
When I was going t college I owned a small house about two blocks from campus
and rented it out -- I got $175 a month for it and never had a vacancy problem.
I had assumed a mortgage (which meant no credit check) and my total out of
pocket money to buy the house was less than a thousand dollars. Total purchase
price was 12k. I had spent 6 months shopping before I found a deal like that.
Within a year I spent 3k on repairs to the roof, the bathroom floor, and
exterior paint. I sold the house for 19k cash.
I lived about 6 blocks from campus. I didn't own the house I lived in. I paid
$145 a month rent for a house twice the size of the one I owned.
This was a long time ago, so those rent numbers might seem artificially low to
y'all, a new college graduate made about 10k then.
The point being that those who think they have to live with momma to save the
money to buy a house just have no imagination.
On Mar 28 2007 9:09 AM, Russell Patterson wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Mar 07 0:41:21 GMT, Porsche_Dan <4308...@recpoker.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> >estemated
> >time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> >were
> >and/or how old your children were when they left?
> >
> >I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> >even after college!
> >
> >
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jd00123
Mrs LHE! Nice to see you around again, dont be a stranger.
On Mar 27 2007 11:24 AM, Mrs. LHE wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 26 2007 7:41 PM, Porsche_Dan wrote:
>
> >
> > I know some of you online poker pros still live at home so give me an
> > estemated
> > time of departure. For the rest, I would be interested to know how old you
> > were
> > and/or how old your children were when they left?
> >
> > I see a disturbing trend in my neighboorhood where kids are not leaving home
> > even after college!
> >
>
> I didn't leave until the day I was married -- my 31st birthday. Nobody saw a
> reason for me to leave. I had a full-time job and paid whatever bills I had.
> My parents didn't ask me to pay rent, but I did buy grocery items here and
> there. It would have been expensive living on my own on my secretary's
> salary,
> and I was the only child, so there was no hurry to get out. Now I sort of
> wish
> I had though. I mean, it was very pleasant and all, and certainly more
> comfortable for me financially, but I wish I would have granted myself some
> independence between being single and being married. Maybe.
>
> - Mrs. E
jd00123
On Mar 26 2007 9:26 PM, Tanya AKA MissT74 wrote:
>
> Left home at 17 1/2 (pregnant)
> Moved back at 18 (made up with parents)
> Left home again at 19 1/2 (to live with baby's father)
> Moved back at 21 1/2 (didn't work out/last)
> Left home again at 22 (moved with sister)
> Moved back at 23 (bad financial problems)
> Left at 25 and haven't been back since. (lived with fiance #2, then by myself,
> then got married, then moved to Kingman, then moved out on my own again at 32)
>
> T
>
Sounds like a mess.
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"Follow" <4308...@recpoker.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> On Mar 27 2007 6:35 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>
> > 2k where? (hypothetical list below)
> > 1 bedroom apt rent : $1200
> > Auto expense (insurance, maint, gas) $300
> > Phone, long distance, internet $100
> > cable $60
> > food $250
> > Health insurance $150
> > Electric $100
> > Clothing (entropy is constant, everything wears out) $25 (if you go
cheap)
> >
> > Now the wild card :
> > Student loans :???
>
> Your list, including all the luxuries you added in adds up to $2160 (which
> sounds like "around $2000" to me).
You omit student loans, of course.
Which of those are luxuries?
Indoor plumbing was, once.
Standards of living change.
While you're studying, you don't have to pay
> student loans, and once you're graduated you should be able to find a job
with
> pay you can live on (otherwise what's the point of going to college in the
first
> place).
"Should" is a wonderful thing.
There's lots of college grads starting at $28,000 a year. After taxes, they
take home about $2,000 a month if they're lucky.
And now they have student loans.
>
> Not to mention the fact that AFTER graduation if you're incapable of
finding a
> decent job to pay them back while still meeting your basic needs, you can
apply
> for deferrments and such. And you can move into an area where rent isn't
quite
> as ridiculous as $1200/month (I pay less than $600 for a 1 bedroom). Hell,
you
> could get an apartment in Vegas for $700 for a 1 bedroom.
>
And earn 5.75 bussing tables.
Gotta live where the pay is good... and that costs more.
Beldin the Sorcerer
"pokerchimp" <mixt...@se.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 28 2007 10:35 AM, Follow wrote:
>
> > On Mar 27 2007 6:35 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
> >
> > > 2k where? (hypothetical list below)
> > > 1 bedroom apt rent : $1200
> > > Auto expense (insurance, maint, gas) $300
> > > Phone, long distance, internet $100
> > > cable $60
> > > food $250
> > > Health insurance $150
> > > Electric $100
> > > Clothing (entropy is constant, everything wears out) $25 (if you go
cheap)
> > >
> > > Now the wild card :
> > > Student loans :???
>
>
> times a month, I can live for under $1300. It's more fun when I have
> more, but some months have been slim. May I recommend Vonage, which is
> like $25 a month and includes long distance.
Auto expense? Utilities?
Or do you do without them too?
Beldin the Sorcerer
"XaQ Morphy" <a1c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> > 2k where? (hypothetical list below)
> > 1 bedroom apt rent : $1200
> > Auto expense (insurance, maint, gas) $300
> > Phone, long distance, internet $100
> > cable $60
> > food $250
> > Health insurance $150
> > Electric $100
> > Clothing (entropy is constant, everything wears out) $25 (if you go
cheap)
> >
> > Now the wild card :
> > Student loans :???
>
> lol @ that list. Would be nice to get away with just having that :)
>
Hypothetical new grad list.
I take home $2900 a month and I can't manage everything.
Beldin the Sorcerer
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>
>
> On> >
so 14 years ago.
Easy to point out rent has risen dramatically, along with home prices.
I was paying 665 a month in 1993, when I stopped renting and bought a condo.
Rent in the same place now is 1150.
>
> My first job out of college was $25,000 a year and I thought I was rich.
My first year full year out of high school I made 32,000. I had no car,
pedaled everywhere, and I knew I was poor.
Beldin the Sorcerer
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>
>
> On Mar 27 2007 6:42 PM, Tsul...@aol.com wrote:
>
> It isn't really different today from "whenever" ago.
On the contrary, it's ALWAYS harder.
200 years ago, land was free in a lot of places, and you built a home.
100 years ago, housing was cheap, utilities were local, a telephone was a
luxury, doctors took chickens, and insurance was rarely bought.
50 years ago, a home could be found for one years pay. Hell, my parents paid
$16,000 for their first house, in 1968.
20 years ago a home cost 3-5 years pay, on average.
Today, it's easily 5-10 years of two earners combined income.
At least in the Northeast.
My parents started off the
> same way I did. Lived in a horrible area with their minimum necessities
not met
> for a while. They had to work hard to build everything. My father had
nothing
> to his name but the clothes on his back, and a family thousands of miles
away.
> Not only did he build his life, but he moved his family here as well and
helped
> them start out. My grandparents (mother's side) moved here too from
another
> country with their kids in tow and again not a dime to their name, and
death
> waiting for them if they returned to their country. They also built a very
nice
> life for themselves.
And today you can't get a mid level job without a college diploma.
It ain't the same thing.
>
> In my family, I'm the priviledged one that didn't have to escape a regime
and
> always had the backing of my family behind me if I got into really dire
> situations. You compare our situation to that of our ancestors and the
things
> we whine about compared to the things they could have whined about but
didn't,
> you'll find that our generation is filled with pussies. Times have always
been
> tough, ALWAYS. But your parents found a way through it and so can you.
It's passed the point where you can bootstrap up.
pokerchimp
thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
Rent: 525
Elect 80
phone 30
cable/rr 90
car ins 60
gas 25
propane 100
(winter)
cats 60
Food, entertainment, pot: whatever is left. If it's a really lean month
I grub off f friends.
Usually I maintain a low steady income, but manage a good tourney hit
every few mnths. Then I usually buy some clothes and other things i need.
Smetimes i go to a live game that is over my head and blow off a bunch of
money. Most of the times I have sent a few thousand to my parents to hold
for me as a form of money management. Then if some sort of emergency pops
up, I have the money. While many people might think this is not the
greatest lifestyle, it suits me just fine. I've been an executive (I was
making over $60K a year in the early 80's at age 24), and i've done other
things also. I am sue i could make more money if i was willing to gamble
at higher limits, but i just don't have the cushion.
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> "XaQ Morphy" <a1c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:e03rd4x...@recgroups.com...
> > > 2k where? (hypothetical list below)
> > > 1 bedroom apt rent : $1200
> > > Auto expense (insurance, maint, gas) $300
> > > Phone, long distance, internet $100
> > > cable $60
> > > food $250
> > > Health insurance $150
> > > Electric $100
> > > Clothing (entropy is constant, everything wears out) $25 (if you go
> cheap)
> > >
> > > Now the wild card :
> > > Student loans :???
> >
> > lol @ that list. Would be nice to get away with just having that :)
> >
> Not MY list.
> Hypothetical new grad list.
> I take home $2900 a month and I can't manage everything.
>
> > Morphy
> > http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
> >
lol, when I was making $60 k at age 24 and still living at HOME I couldn't
manage everything. I did have a fast expensive shiny red 300zx and a nice
cocaine habit though.
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I've really lucked out with this apartment at $525 in a very nice section
of a tourist town. It's a great spacious 1 br apartment on a quiet street
with gorgeous foliage, a great prch for the kitties, and a garage with
w/d. I've lived here for 5 years without a rent increase. He has turned
over the ther 2 apartments in my building a few times, always with an
increase. I have done a few improvements to the apartment, and usually
take care of fixing anything that is broken myself, although he did
install a new AC and propane heater within the last 2 years. He promised
to never raise the rent on me as long as he owns the building, but he may
sell.
>
> >
> > My first job out of college was $25,000 a year and I thought I was rich.
>
> My first year full year out of high school I made 32,000. I had no car,
> pedaled everywhere, and I knew I was poor.
thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
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Beldin the Sorcerer
I never did drugs, nor booze.
And I'm STILL broke, dammit
Beldin the Sorcerer
> On Mar 30 2007 12:45 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>>> >
>> > My rent is $525 a month. Even with supporting 2 cats and eating out a
>> > few
>> > times a month, I can live for under $1300. It's more fun when I have
>> > more, but some months have been slim. May I recommend Vonage, which is
>> > like $25 a month and includes long distance.
>>
>> Auto expense? Utilities?
>> Or do you do without them too?
>
>
> thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
>
> Rent: 525
> Elect 80
> phone 30
> cable/rr 90
> car ins 60
> gas 25
> propane 100
> (winter)
> cats 60
> Food, entertainment, pot: whatever is left. If it's a really lean month
> I grub off f friends.
My beloved isn't fond of "let's go impose on the neighbors" for dinner.
> Usually I maintain a low steady income, but manage a good tourney hit
> every few mnths. Then I usually buy some clothes and other things i need.
> Smetimes i go to a live game that is over my head and blow off a bunch of
> money. Most of the times I have sent a few thousand to my parents to hold
> for me as a form of money management. Then if some sort of emergency pops
> up, I have the money. While many people might think this is not the
> greatest lifestyle, it suits me just fine. I've been an executive (I was
> making over $60K a year in the early 80's at age 24), and i've done other
> things also. I am sue i could make more money if i was willing to gamble
> at higher limits, but i just don't have the cushion.
I have too many "things". Things translate into obligation
Obligations, alas, require consistency.
pokerchimp
Nah,I don't grub food. I manage to feed myself, even ifit's a vegie month.
Ocassionally I have a friend who makes lot of money and he treats me to a
nice dinner. When i meant grub, I meant pot.
>
> > Usually I maintain a low steady income, but manage a good tourney hit
> > every few mnths. Then I usually buy some clothes and other things i need.
> > Smetimes i go to a live game that is over my head and blow off a bunch of
> > money. Most of the times I have sent a few thousand to my parents to hold
> > for me as a form of money management. Then if some sort of emergency pops
> > up, I have the money. While many people might think this is not the
> > greatest lifestyle, it suits me just fine. I've been an executive (I was
> > making over $60K a year in the early 80's at age 24), and i've done other
> > things also. I am sue i could make more money if i was willing to gamble
> > at higher limits, but i just don't have the cushion.
>
> I have too many "things". Things translate into obligation
> Obligations, alas, require consistency.
Definitely, I have few obligations and require very little
thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
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da pickle
> It's passed the point where you can bootstrap up.
Sounds like a quote from Socrates. I think he has another one about how
kids these days don't have proper respect for their parents.
Brian
place I have ever seen Father and Son capitalized is in the bible.
On Mar 27 2007 5:52 PM, bjgka...@aol.com wrote:
> On Mar 27, 3:22=EF=BF=BDpm, "Alan Gilbert aka brewmaster"
> wrote:
> > On Mar 27 2007 3:15 PM, bjgkara...@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 27, 1:25?pm, Mrs. LHE <43082...@recpoker.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mar 27 2007 4:33 PM, pokerchimp wrote:
> >
> > > > > I DON't see anything wrong with young people or old people joining
> > > > > together as a family unit to keep costs down and improve their styl=
> e of
> > > > > living, if they need to and as long as they get along. =A0For some =
> it may
> > be
> > > > > a matter of laziness, but for others, it's just practical. =A0no wa=
> y a
> > young
> > > > > person could could afford to make a downpayment on a home after col=
> lege.
> > > > > Staying with parents allows you to save. =A0Even if you don't contr=
> ibute
> > > > > fiancially, you should be doing more than your share of the cooking,
> > > > > cleaning and other chores, and always be respectful to your parents.
> >
> > > > > thumbers on stars, dieseldyke on absolute/vegaspoker24/7
> >
> > > > Same here, pokerchimp. =A0I lived with my parents for a long time, bu=
> t it
> > wasn't
> > > > like I was just bumming off of them. =A0I had worked full time since =
> I was
> > 16, and
> > > > never asked them for any money. =A0Some may say I was indirectly taki=
> ng their
> > > > money because I was living under their roof and eating their food
> > (occasionally
> > > > - I was rarely home anyway between my job and social life), but I
> > certainly did
> > > > my share around the house. =A0Now that I am writing more about it, I
> > remember now
> > > > that I did pay the household phone and cable bill. =A0
> >
> > > > My boys are only 3 and 4, and they can stay as long as they want as f=
> ar as
> > we're
> > > > concerned. =A0My husband didn't move out of his parents' house until =
> he was
> > 34.
> > > > He had a college degree and a good job, and staying with his parents
> > enabled him
> > > > to save up enough money for a nice down payment on his first house. =
> =A0Our
> > living
> > > > at home also enabled us to pay cash for our wedding and honeymoon, an=
> d to
> > pay
> > > > off our credit cards before we had kids so that we could afford my st=
> aying
> > home
> > > > with them. =A0
> >
> > > > I never understood the concept of a parent booting a kid out just bec=
> ause
> > they
> > > > turn a certain age. =A0There's nothing wrong with parents giving their
> > children a
> > > > leg up on life, letting them wait until they're a bit established bef=
> ore
> > they go
> > > > out on their own. =A0Hell, it's tough enough as it is when you are
> > established.
> > > > So what's the rush? =A0I won't feel a need to kick my kids out just b=
> ecause
> > their
> > > > age is the magic number of 18, 21 or 25 (or even 30+). =A0I'm their m=
> other,
> > no
> > > > matter how old they are. =A0(Now, this is coming from someone who was=
> a bit
> > of a
> > > > mama's girl, so consider the source.)
> >
> > > > If they're not working and not contributing to the household, that's =
> an
> > entirely
> > > > different thing. =A0It's also a different thing when they're ready to=
> get
> > married
> > > > and start a family. =A0Then it is time to leave the nest. =A0But if t=
> hey're
> > single,
> > > > going to school and/or working, and helping around the house, then I =
> really
> > > > don't see the big deal.
> >
> > > > - Mrs. E
> >
> > > > P.S. =A0I like Harrison's idea of saving his kids' rent money for wed=
> ding
> > costs or
> > > > a down payment on a home. =A0
> >
> > > Good post, Mrs. E. =A0I agree with both you and Chimp on this issue.
> > > Another thing to consider is that some parents might need a child to
> > > live with them to help with expenses and chores. =A0There are possible
> > > benefits to both grown children and their parents if they share a
> > > house.
> >
> > > Other races and nationalities don't seem to feel that different
> > > generations sharing a home carries a stigma. =A0For instance, I know
> > > some Mexican families who have no problem sharing their homes with
> > > several different generations. =A0Also, Asian families tend to work and
> > > live together. =A0This custom strengthens and benefits all the members
> > > of the families, for the most part.
> >
> > > It's too bad more people don't realize this. =A0If they did, we'd
> > > probably see less homeless people on our streets.
> >
> > > Myself, I'm in the process of getting a house in North Carolina, next
> > > to my youngest Son. =A0I plan to live there eventually and can count on
> > > him to help me as I age and become more dependent.
> >
> > > If we can't depend on our family to help us when we need help. they
> > > we're really in trouble. =A0I'm grateful I can depend on mine when I
> > > need them and they know from experience that they can count on me.
> >
> > > Barbara Gallamore
> >
> > Yeah, but we don't need to all live together. =A0It is all I can do to
> > handle ONE other person being around all the time. =A0The kids are grown,
> > get out and let me have some time alone for the rest of my life. =A0We
> > didn't have a very close family.
>
> My family is very independent also, but we are prepared to help each
> other when it becomes necessary. For instance, my oldest Son shares a
> home with his Father, who has some health issues. My Son pays half
> the bills, does the yard and repair work on the weekends, and fixes
> his Father dinner every night.
>
> This same Son and I have many differences of opinion, but 10 years ago
> when I had major heart surgery, he stayed with me for 3 weeks after I
> came home and took excellent care of me when I really needed him.
>
> As I said previously, I'll expect my youngest Son to give me any help
> I might need when and if I ever make the move to North Carolina. Of
> course, I'll have my own separate house, so he and his family will
> have their privacy and so will I.
>
> This is the best retirement plan I've been able to make, considering I
> spent my middle and later years goofing off, traveling, playing poker,
> and partying my butt off.
>
> Barbara Gallamore
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> Barbara, is your son Jesus and his father God? I'm only asking because the only
> place I have ever seen Father and Son capitalized is in the bible.
Maybe so, but when I was taught English rules of capitalization,
grammar, and punctuation in school, I learned that when using a title
such as Mother, Father, Son, etc., it is proper to capitalize these
words. Maybe this practice has been discontinued, I don't know, but I
still follow it.
Barbara Gallamore
WuzYoungOnceToo
I think they're only capitalized when used to address the individual
to whom they refer. For instance...
"What were you thinking, Son, when you limped with KK?"
...as opposed to...
"What was my son thinking when limped with KK?"
XaQ Morphy
> Hypothetical new grad list.
> I take home $2900 a month and I can't manage everything.
Yeah didn't think it was your list. I just remember a time when I had a
list like that. Rent $228, electric $30, phone $30, and that was damn
near it. Carpooled to work, he never wanted money for gas, but I taught
him how to play pool so he said that made up for it. Hustle pool to eat,
what a life!
Now it's a lot more ridiculous than that...mortgage $1300, 2 car payments
$750 total, gas/electric $250, cable/internet $140, some ridiculous amount
of credit card/home equity loan debt, insurance, and oh yeah, I have 2
kids. lol
Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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da pickle
> Now it's a lot more ridiculous than that...mortgage $1300, 2 car payments
> $750 total, gas/electric $250, cable/internet $140, some ridiculous amount
> of credit card/home equity loan debt, insurance, and oh yeah, I have 2
> kids. lol
It is not what you make that matters, it is what you spend.
There is almost no limit to my legitimate wants; however, I have not that
many legitimate needs.
XaQ Morphy
>
> There is almost no limit to my legitimate wants; however, I have not that
> many legitimate needs.
There's a difference?
Morphy
http://donkeymanifesto.blogspot.com
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