Alabama Democrat Congressman Jumps Ship and Joins GOP
Irish Mike
high unemployment, a jammed-through $2.5 trillion health care bill
Americans didn't want and Obama's job approval ratings sinking like a
rock, some Democrats are jumping ship ahead of the 2010 mid term elections.
"HUNTSVILLE, Ala. � A U.S. House Democrat who opposes the health care
overhaul announced Tuesday he is defecting to the GOP, another blow to
Democrats ahead of the midterm elections.
U.S. Rep. Parker Griffith spoke to reporters at his home in northern
Alabama, a region that relies heavily on defense and aerospace jobs.
"I believe our nation is at a crossroads and I can no longer align myself
with a party that continues to pursue legislation that is bad for our
country, hurts our economy, and drives us further and further into debt,"
Griffith said as his wife Virginia stood by his side.
The 67-year-old radiation oncologist was narrowly elected last year in a
district that includes Huntsville and Decatur. President Barack Obama lost
badly there to Republican John McCain.
Griffith also slammed the health care overhaul making its way through
Congress. He was one of 39 House Democrats to vote against a version of
the bill that narrowly passed.
"I want to make it perfectly clear that this bill is bad for our doctors,"
he said. "It's bad for our patients. It's bad for the young men and women
who are considering going into the health care field."
He said after the press conference that his defection had nothing to do
with concerns about whether he could win re-election as a Democrat. He
also said he had not talked to any fellow Democrats about switching
parties along with him.
"If they do, I hope it's on conviction and not politics," he said.
Alabama Democrats defended Griffith against GOP claims that he was soft on
terrorism during the 2008 election, and the head of the state party said
he is disappointed by Griffith's defection now.
"Democrats of every stripe and philosophy sweated and bled for this man,"
said Joe Turnham, chairman of the state party. "He narrowly became a
congressman through the hard work, votes and financial contributions of
thousands of Democrats. Today, they feel betrayed."
Turnham said Griffith should return money to Democratic donors � something
the congressman said he would be happy to do.
Griffith had accumulated one of the most conservative voting records of
any House Democrat. He was one of seven Democrats to oppose Obama's
economic stimulus measure early this year and also voted against an
anti-global warming bill pushed strongly by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi,
D-Calif.
Democrats will hold 257 House seats to the GOP's 178 after Griffith's
switch.
Several veteran House moderates have announced their retirements next
year, giving Republicans hopes of picking up a significant number of seats
in the November elections."
Irish Mike
Damn proud proud to be one of the 60,000,000 Americans who did not vote
for Obama.
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> With the economy in shambles, the biggest deficits in our history, record
> high unemployment, a jammed-through $2.5 trillion health care bill
> Americans didn't want and Obama's job approval ratings sinking like a
> rock, some Democrats are jumping ship ahead of the 2010 mid term
> elections.
>
> overhaul announced Tuesday he is defecting to the GOP, another blow to
> Democrats ahead of the midterm elections.
Hardly -- he's voted with the Republicans on nearly every vote of
significance since he was sworn in. AAMOF, he was expected to defect months
ago, and AFAIK, has received little or no encouragement from Democratic
leadership to stay.
This comes as a "surprise" only to wingtards desperate for any straw that
might partially dispel the fact that they're a bitterly fractured minority
party with no ideas.
Jim
OrangeSFO
Republican region"
Irish Mike
When a medical doctor who was elected as a Democrat to Congress, switches
to the Republican party, because he knows that Obama-care is bad for the
economy, for jobs, for doctors and for the country, that is a major blow
to Obama and the Democrats.
Irish Mike
Proud to be one of the 60,000,000 Americans who did not vote for Obama.
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No, Mikey, it isn't. But if you need to believe it that badly, you go right
ahead.
Jim
K9way
he will fit right in with leiberman , Zell Miller , Dick Morris and the
other traitors who trumpet your cause !!
he is all urine
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"Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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You idiot, the AMA (along with AARP and the nurses association) are for the
healthcare reform. Now go back to your, Cute & Paste & Run site and see if
they'll tell you what AMA stands for.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- hmm eating high fat doesn't harm others when I do it only myself....
Jerry Sturdivant
"K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> You have captured and covet another traitor
>
> he will fit right in with leiberman , Zell Miller , Dick Morris and the
> other traitors who trumpet your cause !!
And what a fine group: Spiro Agnew, Richard Nixon, Jeb Magruder, Chuck
Colson, Ronald Reagan, Oliver North, Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney
and George W. Bush.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- If cabbages are legal, are 1000 cabbages illegal?
Follow
> Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> - hmm eating high fat doesn't harm others when I do it only myself....
What a tag line. Why do you hate freedom, Jerry?
Follow :)
Jerry Sturdivant
"Follow" <lamema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Where in the hell would some idiot believe that tag line indicates a hate of
freedom. What I hate is stupid people like you bothering me.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- The man who dies with the most toys is dead..
bo dark
> or "Congressman jumps ship to run as Republican in traditionally
> Republican region"
Traditionally Orange?
buffalo
300 billion in lobby money buys slease bigtime........
Travel A
Irish Mike wrote:
When a medical doctor who was elected as a Democrat to Congress,
switches to the Republican party, because he knows that Obama-care is
bad for the economy, for jobs, for doctors and for the country, that is
a major blow to Obama and the Democrats.
Turd drooled:
You idiot, the AMA (along with AARP and the nurses association) are for
the healthcare reform. Now go back to your, Cute & Paste & Run site and
see if they'll tell you what AMA stands for.
Jerry, numb 'n Vegas
I wrote:
You're the idiot, numbnuts, only about 25% of doctors are members of
the AMA, (you can be sure that all the politically agenda driven, left-
wing doctors make-up the AMA).
Plus, the nurses association just came out this week against the
commiecare bill. It's a "power thing" with them, though.
Also, the AARP is in bed with the left wing; they'll be getting a
commission on the new commiecare plans they'll be promoting; in the same
way they currently do with "Medicare Advantage," etc. Financially, the
AARP as an organization, (not the members) stands to gain hugely with
commiecare.
The AARPs reputation is shot. Seniors are massively discontinuing their
memberships.
Travel A
Turd blubbered:
- hmm eating high fat doesn't harm others when I do it only myself....
Follow wrote:
What a tag line. Why do you hate freedom, Jerry? Follow -:)
I wrote:
And why does Turd lie and dodge the facts?
Travel A
toss-out the Democrat control of (the House) congress. That's the
important aspect.
After the mid-term elections, more Democrat Blue Dogs could defect to
the Republican side as they did in 1994.
Irish Mike
> 300 billion in lobby money buys slease bigtime........
It does and Obama care is the perfect example. It contains every kind of
crooked vote buying and pay off deal to Democrats in exchange for selling
out the American people. Hopefully these scumbags, including Harry Reid,
will pay the price in the 2010 mid term elections.
Irish Mike
Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
Recovery: When Obama loses his job.
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Irish Mike
The term Democrat "blue dog" in the Senate is a sad joke. Every one of
these so called "conservative" Democrats sold out the American people and
voted for Obama's $2.5 trillion dollar, tax increasing, insurance premium
raising pork barrel 2,500 page health care bill, Jammed through in a
straight partisan vote in the early hours of the morning. The reason
Obama had this bill jammed through was that he knew that the more the
American people learned about it the stronger they would oppose it. Obama
wanted the deal done before any of these Democrat Senators had to go home
and face the people they sold out.
Irish Mike
Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
Recovery: When Obama loses his job.
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Jerry Sturdivant
"Irish Mike" <ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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Now wonder you never reply; you're an idiot and full of Rush Limbaugh shit,
as usual. The real bribery money comes from the insurance companies. They're
protected under the anti-trust laws. (Do you even know what that means? Is
that why you're unable to answer?) It's why they can remain a monopoly;
charge any price they want; deny any bill you submit and drop you if you
cost them too much money. So the slime balls bribe Republican politicians
and post lying ads to the tune of $750,000 a day. Why the hell do you think
they bribed all those Republicans and however many Democrats it takes to
keep their anti-trust monopoly going?
Jerry 'n Vegas
- The Republican Party: Affirmative Action for the cogently challenged
da pickle
> It's why they can remain a monopoly; charge any price they want; deny any
> bill you submit and drop you if you cost them too much money.
Jerry, do some of your famous research and out yourself.
You know not of what you type.
bub
<jer...@cox.net> wrote:
>Now wonder you never reply; you're an idiot and full of Rush Limbaugh shit,
>as usual. The real bribery money comes from the insurance companies. They're
>protected under the anti-trust laws. (Do you even know what that means? Is
>that why you're unable to answer?) It's why they can remain a monopoly;
>charge any price they want; deny any bill you submit and drop you if you
>cost them too much money. So the slime balls bribe Republican politicians
>and post lying ads to the tune of $750,000 a day. Why the hell do you think
>they bribed all those Republicans and however many Democrats it takes to
>keep their anti-trust monopoly going?
yeah, last year insurance companies profits barely exceeded 2 percent
of revenues.
da pickle
> yeah, last year insurance companies profits barely exceeded 2 percent
> of revenues.
"Insurance companies" is too broad a term for what is being discussed.
The risks involved in many different sorts of insurance underwriting are
significantly different.
That the government thinks they can take the underwriting out of the
delivery of any sort of insurance without either a gross increase in pricing
or a dramatic reduction in services is foolish and unrealistic.
Insurance is a complex business no matter what risk is being considered.
Politicians are not business people. Government is not a business. The
closer government gets to complete management of any sector of an economy,
the more we all lose.
There is no perfect economic system. Putting the government in charge is
the direction of poorest results. It may be inevitable, however. At least
it seems that way.
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jerry Sturdivant"
>
>> It's why they can remain a monopoly; charge any price they want; deny any
>> bill you submit and drop you if you cost them too much money.
>
> Jerry, do some of your famous research and out yourself.
I did. This is the results.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Trust me, I'm a consultant!
Jerry Sturdivant
"bub" <b...@plottus.com> wrote in message
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Paperwork. When you make money, you design how much you want to be profit.
Present and CEO of United Health Care, Steve Hemsley, makes $102,000 an
hour. His 2008 compensation was $3.2 million. His stock options were $744
million (about � of a BILLION dollars). All from rejecting your claims or
canceling your insurance. Then they look at what's left as profit.
Jerry (you don't have to be a BA) 'n Vegas
- The real reason you can't take it with you: It goes before you do.
da pickle
>>> It's why they can remain a monopoly; charge any price they want; deny
>>> any bill you submit and drop you if you cost them too much money.
>>
>> Jerry, do some of your famous research and out yourself.
>
> I did. This is the results.
Get your money back.
bub
<jer...@cox.net> wrote:
>Paperwork. When you make money, you design how much you want to be profit.
>Present and CEO of United Health Care, Steve Hemsley, makes $102,000 an
>hour. His 2008 compensation was $3.2 million. His stock options were $744
>million (about � of a BILLION dollars). All from rejecting your claims or
>canceling your insurance. Then they look at what's left as profit.
i have uhc for myself and few employees. they pay ,for a single about
$75 a month , a family about $170-180 a month with $800 deductible
for single and family $1200 deductible, $30 copay for office visits,
$100 ER visits and 80% for all other.
noone bitches and those that have it like it
if you don't like it, don't use it.get something else.
good for him to make that money. he seems to know whats he's
doing.unlike some bozo like you who thinks he knows how to run a major
business. you'de last 1/2 hour before you fucked everything up
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't have to. I'm right. Insurance companies remain exempt from
anti-trust laws. Under current law, insurance companies are actually exempt
from laws designed to prevent monopolies and price-gouging. The House bill
would fix this, but the Senate bill leaves it in place. It is as I said.
>>>> It's why they can remain a monopoly; charge any price they want; deny
>>>> any bill you submit and drop you if you cost them too much money
Jerry 'n Vegas
- To a cat, "NO!" means "Not while I'm looking".
da pickle
> I don't have to. I'm right. Insurance companies remain exempt from
> anti-trust laws. Under current law, insurance companies are actually
> exempt from laws designed to prevent monopolies and price-gouging. The
> House bill would fix this, but the Senate bill leaves it in place. It is
> as I said.
>
>>>>> It's why they can remain a monopoly; charge any price they want; deny
>>>>> any bill you submit and drop you if you cost them too much money
They are not, they cannot and they cannot and they cannot. Get your money
back.
da pickle
>>>>> It's why they can remain a monopoly; charge any price they want; deny
>>>>> any bill you submit and drop you if you cost them too much money
Tell me, Jerry, which health insurer has the monopoly in Nevada?
Is it AFLAC or Allianz or American Medical Security or AIG - American
General or Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield or Fortis or Hometown Health or
Humana or John Alden or Mutual of Omaha or PacifiCare or Saint Mary's
HealthFirst or Saint Mary's HealthChoice or Security or Starmark or
Transamerica or UHN or Unicare Life and Health or Vision Service Plan?
And does the Insurance Commissioner allow whoever has the monopoly to charge
any price they want?
And you have no recourse if that insurer breaches their contract with you
and denies a covered expense? There are no penalties?
And that monopoly insurer can drop you without cause if you actually have to
use your insurance coverage?
Like I said, get your money back ... you have no clue what you are talking
about.
Jerry Sturdivant
"bub" <b...@plottus.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:40:18 -0800, "Jerry Sturdivant"
> <jer...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>Paperwork. When you make money, you design how much you want to be profit.
>>Present and CEO of United Health Care, Steve Hemsley, makes $102,000 an
>>hour. His 2008 compensation was $3.2 million. His stock options were $744
>>million (about � of a BILLION dollars). All from rejecting your claims or
>>canceling your insurance. Then they look at what's left as profit.
>
>
> i have uhc for myself and few employees. they pay ,for a single about
> $75 a month , a family about $170-180 a month with $800 deductible
> for single and family $1200 deductible, $30 copay for office visits,
> $100 ER visits and 80% for all other.
>
> noone bitches and those that have it like it
Until the insurance company decides to deny or cancel.
> if you don't like it, don't use it.get something else.
And when the next insurance company refuses. Then what?
Do you not know what this is all about?
Jerry 'n Vegas
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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So insurance companies cannot deny bills? They can't drop you? They can't
refuse you? Well then, everything is okay and we've been lied to. (Except
they actually do that. HELLO!?)
Jerry 'n Vegas
- This message requires Microsoft Windows.
da pickle
>>>>>>> It's why they can remain a monopoly; charge any price they want;
>>>>>>> deny any bill you submit and drop you if you cost them too much
>>>>>>> money
>>
>> Tell me, Jerry, which health insurer has the monopoly in Nevada?
>>
>> Is it AFLAC or Allianz or American Medical Security or AIG - American
>> General or Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield or Fortis or Hometown Health
>> or Humana or John Alden or Mutual of Omaha or PacifiCare or Saint Mary's
>> HealthFirst or Saint Mary's HealthChoice or Security or Starmark or
>> Transamerica or UHN or Unicare Life and Health or Vision Service Plan?
>>
>> And does the Insurance Commissioner allow whoever has the monopoly to
>> charge any price they want?
>>
>> And you have no recourse if that insurer breaches their contract with you
>> and denies a covered expense? There are no penalties?
>>
>> And that monopoly insurer can drop you without cause if you actually have
>> to use your insurance coverage?
>>
>> Like I said, get your money back ... you have no clue what you are
>> talking about.
>
> So insurance companies cannot deny bills? They can't drop you? They can't
> refuse you? Well then, everything is okay and we've been lied to. (Except
> they actually do that. HELLO!?)
No, you stupid lout! Of course insurance companies can deny claims and drop
people and otherwise violate the terms of their contract. But they are not
a monopoly and they cannot charge what they want and violate their contracts
without recourse. You really are dense sometimes.
Get your money back on whatever research you think you did, Jerry.
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jerry Sturdivant"
>
>>>>>>>> It's why they can remain a monopoly; charge any price they want;
>>>>>>>> deny any bill you submit and drop you if you cost them too much
>>>>>>>> money
>>>
>>> Tell me, Jerry, which health insurer has the monopoly in Nevada?
>>>
>>> Is it AFLAC or Allianz or American Medical Security or AIG - American
>>> General or Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield or Fortis or Hometown Health
>>> or Humana or John Alden or Mutual of Omaha or PacifiCare or Saint Mary's
>>> HealthFirst or Saint Mary's HealthChoice or Security or Starmark or
>>> Transamerica or UHN or Unicare Life and Health or Vision Service Plan?
>>>
>>> And does the Insurance Commissioner allow whoever has the monopoly to
>>> charge any price they want?
>>>
>>> And you have no recourse if that insurer breaches their contract with
>>> you and denies a covered expense? There are no penalties?
>>>
>>> And that monopoly insurer can drop you without cause if you actually
>>> have to use your insurance coverage?
>>>
>>> Like I said, get your money back ... you have no clue what you are
>>> talking about.
>>
>> So insurance companies cannot deny bills? They can't drop you? They can't
>> refuse you? Well then, everything is okay and we've been lied to. (Except
>> they actually do that. HELLO!?)
>
> No, you stupid lout! Of course insurance companies can deny claims
> and drop people and otherwise violate the terms of their contract.
THAT'S WHAT I SAID! And they're NOT violating the terms of their contract.
Insurance companies have a monopoly and are exempt from anti-trust laws in
that they CAN drop you.
> But they are not a monopoly and they cannot charge what they want and
> violate their contracts without recourse. You really are dense sometimes.
Really? Let's see who's dense: You claim a monopoly is, "they can charge
what they want and violate their contracts without recourse."
Monopoly:
In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / ????? (alone or single) +
polein / ?????? (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an
enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to
determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have
access to it.
Get it now? It's been a part of the argument. Insurance companies
('enterprises') can simply deny you; drop you; or not accept you.
> Get your money back on whatever research you think you did, Jerry.
Heh! I had to post it for you. NOW you know what Monopoly means. Now you
know what the argument is about with the insurance industry. Now you know
what we've been talking about. "You really are dense sometimes."
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Unable to locate thesaurus Operator Halted!
da pickle
>> No, you stupid lout! Of course insurance companies can deny claims
>> and drop people and otherwise violate the terms of their contract.
>
> THAT'S WHAT I SAID! And they're NOT violating the terms of their contract.
One right and one wrong. If they violate their contract, they get sued.
They can also lose their certification.
You CAN kill someone, Jerry ... but you might pay the consequences.
Health care providers are not a monopoly nor can they deny claims without
consequences.
> Insurance companies have a monopoly and are exempt from anti-trust laws in
> that they CAN drop you.
There are ways of enforcement when an insurance company violates their
contract or any one of the many laws that regulate their actions. Jerry,
you are a fool.
>> But they are not a monopoly and they cannot charge what they want and
>> violate their contracts without recourse. You really are dense
>> sometimes.
>
> Really? Let's see who's dense: You claim a monopoly is, "they can charge
> what they want and violate their contracts without recourse."
I made no such claim. You claimed that an insurance company could be a
monopoly and you are wrong.
> Monopoly:
> In economics, a monopoly (from Greek monos / ????? (alone or single) +
> polein / ?????? (to sell)) exists when a specific individual or an
> enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to
> determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have
> access to it.
>
> Get it now? It's been a part of the argument. Insurance companies
> ('enterprises') can simply deny you; drop you; or not accept you.
You can say it over and over and it still will be an error. Others can
continue to say over and over that you are stupid ... they will be correct.
>> Get your money back on whatever research you think you did, Jerry.
>
> Heh! I had to post it for you. NOW you know what Monopoly means. Now you
> know what the argument is about with the insurance industry. Now you know
> what we've been talking about. "You really are dense sometimes."
You are talking to the wind, Jerry. Merry Christmas.
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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So insurance companies cannot deny bills? They can't drop you? They can't
refuse you? Well then, everything is okay and we've been lied to. (Except
they actually do that. HELLO!?)
Jerry Sturdivant
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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So insurance companies cannot deny bills? They can't drop you? They can't