Home game rule
duh...@pacbell.net
wrong and it's actually a better hand than what he called, and someone
notices it, should that person speak up or just let the hand go as called?
Will in New Haven
Cards speak. If the hand is turned up for the dealer to award the pot,
the better hand wins the pot. In a casino, with a professional dealer,
cards still speak and a player can point out a dealer error. Whether
he should or not is debatable. If it is a tournament, where every hand
affects every player's chances, it is probably right to say something.
With no designated dealer, the players can fucking SEE the best hand,
can't they?
The player is under no obligation to "call" a hand. He should turn his
hand face up and the pot should go to the better active hand. In fact,
if your players get out of the habit of calling their hands you won't
have this problem.
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Will in New Haven
duh...@pacbell.net
they'll not see that they've go a straight or something. Thanks for ur
help. I like the idea of teaching them not to even call their hands. I'll
pass it on.
Paul Popinjay
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> Thanks, thats been my argument.
That's one view of it, but not the only view.
I am not quite sure how the various cardrooms in California handle this now,
but for ages you could not OVER-call your hand. In fact, for years, if you
called your hand and your opponent mucked without showing, if you could not
produce a minimum of what you had called, the pot was then awarded to the
opponent.
You could UNDER-call your hand, but you could not OVER-call it.
I happen to believe that is the way to do things. It worked fine in Los
Angeles for nearly half a century. And unlike New Haven, we are actually ON
the map.
-Paul Popinjay
K9way
Any time a winning hand or any hand is tabled properly , anyone should and
is obligated to point out an error that involves the winning hand or the
overlooking of the winning hand .. I will point out an error as a player
when hands are tabled properly simply to prevent a 20 minute argument
after the hand , which fucks up the game , and takes forever for it to get
settled .
i actually prefer playing with people who can read the board .
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K9way
it is absolutely scary out there .. people with no experience are making
rules and decisions and changing rules that were standards for decades .
When I was at the Bike , they still had a lot of the 'holdover" rules from
the lo-ball era .
if you said 'you win ' at the end .. the other guy won .. if you miscalled
your hand (overcalled) , your hand was dead .
Noobie morons who cant sopell poker have been getting management jobs for
about 8-10 years now , and it is a lIteral hodge podge of shitty rules and
morons making decisions they dont understand
I defer to the "I WANNA SEE THAT HAND " THREAD
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> Noobie morons who cant sopell poker...
Care to try that again?
Jim
K9way
i have stipulated many times that i dont type well or write worth a damn
OOPTH :(
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Clave
> On Dec 23 2009 1:21 AM, Clave wrote:
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>> "K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:1vm807x...@recgroups.com...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>> > Noobie morons who cant sopell poker...
>>
>> Care to try that again?
>>
>> Jim
>
> i have stipulated many times that i dont type well or write worth a damn
>
> OOPTH :(
I'm pretty sure that there's some kind of Usenet law a la Godwin about the
probability of a spelling/grammar error occurring in a spelling/grammar
flame approaching 1, but I don't know its name or exact wording.
Jim
K9way
> "K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> > On Dec 23 2009 1:21 AM, Clave wrote:
> >
> >> "K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:1vm807x...@recgroups.com...
> >>
> >> <...>
> >>
> >> > Noobie morons who cant sopell poker...
> >>
> >> Care to try that again?
> >>
> >> Jim
> >
> > i have stipulated many times that i dont type well or write worth a damn
> >
> > OOPTH :(
>
>
> I'm pretty sure that there's some kind of Usenet law a la Godwin about the
> probability of a spelling/grammar error occurring in a spelling/grammar
> flame approaching 1, but I don't know its name or exact wording.
>
> Jim
thoundth reesuabubble to mee !!
hookt un fonix wurkt fer mee
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> On Dec 23 2009 2:39 AM, Clave wrote:
>
>> "K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:gdt807x...@recgroups.com...
>>> On Dec 23 2009 1:21 AM, Clave wrote:
>>>
>>>> "K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:1vm807x...@recgroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>> Noobie morons who cant sopell poker...
>>>> Care to try that again?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>> i have stipulated many times that i dont type well or write worth a damn
>>>
>>> OOPTH :(
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that there's some kind of Usenet law a la Godwin about the
>> probability of a spelling/grammar error occurring in a spelling/grammar
>> flame approaching 1, but I don't know its name or exact wording.
>>
>> Jim
>
> thoundth reesuabubble to mee !!
>
>
> hookt un fonix wurkt fer mee
You should just stick with your normal typing when trying to make a bad
spelling post. When you deliberately fuck your spelling, Doggy, it's
damn near gibberish.
Follow :)
Will in New Haven
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> <duhh...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
The last time I was in Las Vegas a player so drunk he couldn't see his
cards was at a table with my nephew. He would manage to turn his cards
face up at the river and he would be awarded the pot if he won. There
is no "overcall" or "undercall" your cards if the players just turn
their cards face up. "Cards speak" has been the rule for a long time
in casinos.
Saying "I have a straight" or whatever, without showing, in the hopes
that the opponent muck his cards, is different. It is angle-shooting
and most card rooms take a dim view of it.
mo_charles
> >
> > I am not quite sure how the various cardrooms in California handle this
now,
> > but for ages you could not OVER-call your hand. In fact, for years, if you
> > called your hand and your opponent mucked without showing, if you could not
> > produce a minimum of what you had called, the pot was then awarded to the
> > opponent.
> >
> > You could UNDER-call your hand, but you could not OVER-call it.
> >
> > I happen to believe that is the way to do things. It worked fine in Los
> > Angeles for nearly half a century. And unlike New Haven, we are actually
ON
> > the map.
>
> rules and decisions and changing rules that were standards for decades .
..changing the rules of poker? OMG, that's TERRIFYING!!!!!
i'm beside myself with fear.
mo_charles
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The last time I was in Las Vegas a player so drunk he couldn't see his
cards was at a table with my nephew. He would manage to turn his cards
face up at the river and he would be awarded the pot if he won. There
is no "overcall" or "undercall" your cards if the players just turn
their cards face up.
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I don't think anyone here said anything to the contrary. Of course there is
no "overcall" or "undercall" if no one says anything, unless it's a game at
a clairvoyants convention.
In California, for years, if I bet, get a call, and then verbally announce
"Straight", if the other player mucks before anyone has seen any cards at
all, then I better damn well be able to show a straight or better or the
other guy gets the pot, even if he has mucked already. At least that's the
way it used to be anyway.
As for angle-shooting, it can go both ways. I remember once when I was
young how I pulled a shot on someone in Gardena. It was high draw, and
occassionally when people had two-pair, Aces and Kings exactly, they would
refer to it as "trip deuces", because it was "essentially" trip deuces.
Well, you can see where this is going. The guy bet at me, I called with
some crap, he says "Trip deuces", and I muck. He shows Aces and Kings, and
I start squawking, getting the floorman over there immediately. I claim
(lying, of course), that the bettor announced 'trip deuces' and showed Aces
and Kings with an 8 kicker, causing me to throw away Aces and Kings with a 9
kicker. He protested, but I got the ruling. Yes, I know it was
chickenshit, but I was young, and it was Gardena. (By the way, always
remember to toke the floormen, they have families to feed, y'know)
-PP
garycarson
If he sees the cards even though the hand hasn't been tabled he should
shut up.
If the cards have been tabled it's the responsibility of all to read the
hand.
One rule that helps disuade pllayers from verbally calling their hands
instead of just showing the hand is the overcall rule where if they
overcall their hand (say they have two pair when they only have one pair)
the hand is dead
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da pickle
I would suspect the more modern rules are designed to prevent just this sort
of angle shooting and reangle shooting.
I can see how some of the older more experienced angleshooters might like to
keep their edges, but most of the modern rule changes have improved the
game. Poker is not the same game now (no matter what the version) as it was
once. As a matter of fact, it was never the "same" game in different places
nor the same game at the same place at different times. Seems like that
aspect of the game has not changed. "It depends" is still the rule. (And
"whatever the floor says is correct" is the new FINAL rule ... the old rule
of "whoever draws their gun first is correct" rule has pretty much
disappeared.)
johnny_t
Cards Speak
John_Brian_K
You guys are ALL wrong! All of you. EVERY single one of you is wrong.
This is fun.
I am serious about ALL of you being wrong though.
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Will in New Haven
> On Dec 23 2009 12:00 PM, johnny_t wrote:
>
> > > Got a debate going in our friday nite home game. If someone calls his hand
> > > wrong and it's actually a better hand than what he called, and someone
> > > notices it, should that person speak up or just let the hand go as called?
>
> > Cards Speak
>
> You guys are ALL wrong! All of you. EVERY single one of you is wrong.
> This is fun.
>
> I am serious about ALL of you being wrong though.
So we are wrong. All the players, dealers and floormen are wrong and
you are the only one who is right. The pot still gets pushed to the
best tabled hand, though. So cards speak, wrong as it may be, is how
it works. Follow the money.
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Will in New Haven
RUStupid Mark
<duh...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Depends on the homegame. Our rule used to be:
'No help from the peanut gallery'
Everyone had to call their own hands, and if you lost
a pot because you thought you had a straight when in
fact you had a flush - TFB.
Will in New Haven
> <duhh...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
You couldn't just turn your hand over and table it? So you added a new
dimension to what we call po-ker.
The edge some guys in that game thought they had because some poor
sucker couldn't figure out what his hand was may have been dwarfed by
the money lost because those bad players went to games where they
weren't made to feel like idiots. Of course, if you are the only game
around you can do that.
John_Brian_K
> you are the only one who is right. The pot still gets pushed to the
> best tabled hand, though. So cards speak, wrong as it may be, is how
> it works. Follow the money.
>
> ---
> Will in New Haven
Alright look in the most literal sense of the debate you are wrong. I am
wrong, Doggy is wrong EVERYONE is wrong.
It is a HOME game. Whoever is running the game or owns the house makes
the rules. What we say on the subject means nothing.
SHIT even in a 'properly run' casino this changes day to day. You should
know that. It all depends on the persons view. The dealer/floor person
etc.
If the person wants to run on 'Robert Rules' or 'Hoyles Rules' or fucking
'Doyles Rules' he can look those up.
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nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
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JBK
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Will in New Haven
> > So we are wrong. All the players, dealers and floormen are wrong and
> > you are the only one who is right. The pot still gets pushed to the
> > best tabled hand, though. So cards speak, wrong as it may be, is how
> > it works. Follow the money.
>
> > ---
> > Will in New Haven
>
> Alright look in the most literal sense of the debate you are wrong. I am
> wrong, Doggy is wrong EVERYONE is wrong.
>
> It is a HOME game. Whoever is running the game or owns the house makes
> the rules. What we say on the subject means nothing.
>
> SHIT even in a 'properly run' casino this changes day to day. You should
> know that. It all depends on the persons view. The dealer/floor person
> etc.
>
> If the person wants to run on 'Robert Rules' or 'Hoyles Rules' or fucking
> 'Doyles Rules' he can look those up.
You are correct about rules but THIS is an issue where there is almost
no venue where the rules differ _and_ the places where the rules
differ are a few home games. There is an important reason for this and
it predates the current spate of rule making. It is very important, or
was thought very important, to encourage drunk and stupid people to
play and not cause them to quit while they still had money or cause
them not to come back. When my stepfather helped run a game aboard a
merchant marine vessel in WWII the situation was explained to him that
way.
RUStupid Mark
On Dec 23, 12:40 pm, "RUStupid Mark" <diput...@gmail.com> wrote:
> <duhh...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>
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>
> > Got a debate going in our friday nite home game. If someone calls his
> > hand
> > wrong and it's actually a better hand than what he called, and someone
> > notices it, should that person speak up or just let the hand go as
> > called?
>>
>> Depends on the homegame. Our rule used to be:
>> 'No help from the peanut gallery'
>>
>> Everyone had to call their own hands, and if you lost
>> a pot because you thought you had a straight when in
>> fact you had a flush - TFB.
> You couldn't just turn your hand over and table it?
Nope. Cards don't speak, had to call your own.
> So you added a new dimension to what we call po-ker.
We didn't always play what you would call po-ker.
There was a lot of "follow the queen, low in the hole"
and all kinds of weird shit played. Mostly stud/draw
type games, very few with community cards.
> The edge some guys in that game thought they had because some poor
> sucker couldn't figure out what his hand was may have been dwarfed by
> the money lost because those bad players went to games where they
> weren't made to feel like idiots.
We might have a no-show on occasion, but of the core group
of guys that played - none of us ever quit (until me, when I
moved out of NJ and came to NC)
> Of course, if you are the only game around you can do that.
When it's your game, you can do anything you want!
charrison100
If a hand is tabled even if called wrong all players at the table are
responsable to make the correction.
You should also make fun of the guy so that he doesn;t do it again. Maybe
put the card ranking sheet beside his drink everytime he comes for a few
weeks.
Chris
"Chris is loveable, but we all know he's not the brightest knife in the
drawer." - Paul Popinjay, 08/31/2009
"Chris H. may be loveable, but he is one card short of getting two birds
stoned." - Paul Popinjay, 10/20/2009
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Will in New Haven
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in messagenews:715e3070-f9bf-436f...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
I meant you can do it and not lose customers. The cards speak rule was
created to allow drunks to play. This was not done for the benefit of
the drunks.
garycarson
> "Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 23, 12:40 pm, "RUStupid Mark" <diput...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > <duhh...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:BYGdne3zrLq25qzW...@giganews.com...
> >
> > > Got a debate going in our friday nite home game. If someone calls his
> > > hand
> > > wrong and it's actually a better hand than what he called, and someone
> > > notices it, should that person speak up or just let the hand go as
> > > called?
> >>
> >> Depends on the homegame. Our rule used to be:
> >> 'No help from the peanut gallery'
> >>
> >> Everyone had to call their own hands, and if you lost
> >> a pot because you thought you had a straight when in
> >> fact you had a flush - TFB.
>
> > You couldn't just turn your hand over and table it?
>
> Nope. Cards don't speak, had to call your own.
>
> > So you added a new dimension to what we call po-ker.
>
> We didn't always play what you would call po-ker.
> There was a lot of "follow the queen, low in the hole"
> and all kinds of weird shit played. Mostly stud/draw
> type games, very few with community cards.
Will has been playing home poker since before you were born.
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>
> Will has been playing home poker since before you were born.
>
Will has been playing home poker before YOU were born!
Will in New Haven
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> "garycarson" <garycar...@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> > Will has been playing home poker since before you were born.
>
> Will has been playing home poker before YOU were born!
Poker was only invented in the early to mid Nineteenth Century, so I
could not have been playing before Carson was born. No one could
have.