Hollywood Park is Dangerous
ChuckHumphrey
facility if you are going there to play.
During the National Poker Championships I was stuck up at gunpoint and had
$2,500 stolen. There was a security guard 50 yards away, but she had
abandoned her vehicle and her duties to tend to some personal business with
her own automobile. The thieves escaped through the East Entrance to the
Century Blvd. Parking lot, which both the Director of Security and the
General Manager of Hollywood Park admitted to me should be locked at night
since it is not well lighted and does not have security cameras as does the
main West Entrance. A week later the East Entrance was still open at night.
It is now closed.
Hollywood Park has refused to reimburse me because they contend, after
consulting with a lawyer, that they were not negligent.
A few nights ago during the Seniors' tournament "Super" Mario Esquerra was
stuck up at knifepoint in the parking lot at Hollywood Park. He was cut and
required eight stitches to close the wound in his chest. However, being
"Super" he did fend off his attackers.
Chuck Humphrey
Gary Carson
But, Mario got hurt. If there has been a pattern of crime in the lot and
they can't show that they've taken specific efforts to increase security as
a result, then Mario has a strong case. He got hurt, he can get larger
damages than just monetary losses.
It would be nice thing for all poker players for Mario to check it out with
a lawyer. Them getting hit with a heavy judgement (and they would probably
lose) might jolt them into doing something to provide protection.
These failure to protect suits are well established in hotels and
apartments. Wal-Mart recently lost a big one becuase of inadequate parking
lot security.
On of y'all should try to talk Mario into taking some action.
--
Gary Carson
www.garycarson.com
ChuckHumphrey wrote in message ...
Bjorn Luser
(most likely) find in your favor. They will probably settle out of
court to avoid publicity.
Next time you play there, ask to be escorted to your car by a security
guard.
In article <KWfK5.125$R4.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
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... and this time, I mean it!
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Before you buy.
Derek Opitz
foot roaming the parking lot everytime I came in or left. And there was one
that was driving around in a white jeep cherokee.
Topset
"free" to play the game of poker. BUT, if these criminals had had any idea
that his or her victim was carry a concealed weapon, the criminal may have
been more apprehensive about attempting the robbery. I will not go to the
"People's Republic of California" and play any more because:
1) I went there in Sept 98. Carried little cash, thought I would just go to
the same banking firm I use in Las Vegas (Bank of America) and get some
money once I got there. Took a cab to the bank, went inside, there was
virtually no furniture, one security guard and maybe two clerks working
behind 4 inch bullet proof plexiglass, which ran the length of the bank.
It was a war zone.
2) I a law Abiding citizen that have a carry concealed weapons permit in the
State of Nevada, cannot carry my side arm for self protection in California.
3) No gun law is going to stop the criminals from having guns. There are
Billions of guns on planet Earth and Thousands more being made everyday
OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES. The only person that was stopped from carrying
a firearm in California under California's strict gun control laws, was me,
the Law-Abiding citizen. In Nevada we can legally carry a concealed weapon,
once we take the proper training course and have a thorough back ground
check completed. It is nice having the added security of self protection
available and, I believe since this is law in Nevada, there are few, if any,
robberies in parking lots.
The recent rash of Casino robberies in Vegas, like the one attempted at
Harrahs a month ago, I believe would not have happened if the Security
Guards had been armed. The tourist the criminal shot in the back and
KILLED, would probably be alive and the criminal locked up, if the Security
Guards had put the suspect under apprehension with guns pointed at him. But
no, they tried to use muscle instead, result, ONE DEAD TOURIST AND ONE
SECURITY GUARD SHOT. Some may contend that bystanders in a crowded casino
would be in harms way if a shoot out occurred. Well folks the Metro police
ride bikes up and down the crowded sidewalks and they are armed. So I don't
think being armed inside or outside in a crowded environment changes things
enough for this argument to be valid.
Law Abiding Citizens should have the right and do have the right, to defend
himself or herself at all times, at least in Nevada, with a firearm in the
home or on his or her person.
And on this forum, dedicated to poker, that is all I care to say on the
subject of having the right to defend one's life and POKER MONEY!
May the flop be with you
Topset
"ChuckHumphrey" <ceh...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Paul E. Stine
Texas? Oh yeah, concealed carry.
Check 'em at the door boys!
Paul Stine
College Station, TX
Preist: Now son, just give me your gun.
Man: But father, I don't have a gun.
Preist: Well then, have one of mine.
-Firesign Theater
timmer
concealed weapon and to be always aware of your surroundings and person or
persons entering you comfort zone. Use the surrounding vehicles to make space
around you and ANY person entering your comfort zone. If you are carrying any
appreciable amount of money get a escort or leave with a group of people. Or
best of all come to Las Vegas to play poker instead and stick around inside the
casino until you can get a security escort out of the building. The security at
HP is Laughable and I wouldn't come or go from there with out a group or my
handy .45 calibre backup.
know why Nevada does'nt fall into the colorado river ?
timmer
would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
maver...@my-deja.com
given out here. Let me repeat the steps involved in not getting robbed:
1. Pack .22 w/light load.
2. Insert gun into face of anyone approaching you oddly.(everyone in LA
knows not to act suspicious...if they do, they are for a reason)
3. Shoot if you see metal or scum keeps approaching.
4. Repeat step 3 as necessary(If possible shoot only once...no one will
even notice one shot in LA).
5. Leave casino immediately.
If you get robbed in LA, it really is your own fault...
What are you worried about...an LAPD trying to arrest you for taking
out the trash? You do know they'll run the prints on the corpse and
probably find a rap sheet 8 feet long and write it off as a drug deal
gone wrong...Just make sure you leave the scene...not because you'll
get into trouble...but because it's a big headache. If you are worried
about getting busted for a concealed weapon, just go get an address in
Northern California in one of the counties up there that offer
concealed weapons permits. You just need 3 references and any lame
excuse for needing one(i.e. carries alot of cash for business).
Maverick
In article <KWfK5.125$R4.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"ChuckHumphrey" <ceh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
ddaver...@my-deja.com
California law, despite having handled a few commercial cases there.
But I do think the Casino has a great deal of legal exposure, if they
volunteer to provide security, and then don't provide security that
successfully secures your property or person. I'm sure a lawyer would
take the case, and based on the limited facts given here, I'd tell the
Casino, if they were my client, that they had serious exposure.
You could probably sue in small claims court pretty cheaply.
In article <KWfK5.125$R4.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"ChuckHumphrey" <ceh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ed Hill
that you need to worry about is getting followed home or to your room.
I went to LA for a week in the early early 90's, took 20k with me. My
plan was to drive over there and play and put the money in my players
bank. After driving into headlights for 5 hours I decided that I
wouldn't even go to the casino, I would get a room and get some sleep
first. After getting a room which had a refrigerator in it I decided
that I would go to the 7-11 on Washington and get some sodas. I left
the 20k in my room and took my odd money with me, which amounted to
$76. I got robbed at gunpoint outside the 7-11! This was a random LA
incident that had nothing to do with poker. LA is a dangerous place.
As for security guards carrying guns; One of the downtown casinos is
being sued because; some broke ran out of the building not paying his
breakfast check which amounted to $8. After chasing him for two blocks
and not being able to catch him, one of the security guards shot him
in the back. Wouldn't want the guy to get away without paying.
Linda Sherman
>
> haven't y'all got it through your thick numb skulls use the valet or carry a
> concealed weapon
Carrying a concealed weapon is a felony in California, THANK GOD. If
only it were in Florida. See my other response about collateral damage
from some pistol-packing moron taking the law into is own hands.
Use valet parking and wear a money belt.
Lin
--
Linda K Sherman <lins...@gte.net>
Learn Welsh - http://www.dalati.com
Linda Sherman
>
> Why do I have the idea that this would only happen once or twice in
> Texas? Oh yeah, concealed carry.
Just what I need, to be walking to my car in a casino parking lot and
get accidentally shot by some drunken cowboy playing John Wayne with his
phallus symbol.
Linda Sherman
Chuck, if I were you'd I'd get together with Mario and find some
starving young lawyer willing to look into this on a contingency basis.
I don't much like people who file lawsuits just to make money, but I do
think you're entitled to get your money back and Mario is entitled to
some pain-and-suffering damages, and of course there is the altruistic
angle that even just the threat of expensive legal action could get HP
to address its security problems. So you would be helping your fellow
poker players.
Jaeger T. Cat
Linda Sherman <lins...@gte.net> wrote:
>"Paul E. Stine" wrote:
>>
>> Why do I have the idea that this would only happen once or twice in
>> Texas? Oh yeah, concealed carry.
>
>Just what I need, to be walking to my car in a casino parking lot and
>get accidentally shot by some drunken cowboy playing John Wayne with his
>phallus symbol.
>
CCW reduces crime.
But don't let facts get in the way of your pre-conceived notions.
JohnnyD
carrying concealed weapons there were debates on all sides of the issue.
The fact is that it made very little difference in everyday life in Texas.
The bad guys had guns before the law and they have guns after the law. In
many cases, good guys were able to protect themselves and save their
families after the law. That's what I find so strange in good people's
attempts to outlaw guns......they forget that the bad guys are not going to
follow their new law. Only the good guys will.
And by the way, I have never owned a gun and rarely saw a handgun (maybe two
or three times in 20 years) when I lived in Texas.
JohnnyD
"Linda Sherman" <lins...@gte.net> wrote in message
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genejmpr
You can get a liscence to carry a concealed weapon in California, you
just need to be a little creative and not have a criminal record.
J-
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Dan Chevrie
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> Why do I have the idea that this would only happen once or twice in
> Texas? Oh yeah, concealed carry.
Texas has had CCW for some time now so I guess once or twice must have
happened already. So this sort of activity no longer occurs in Texas? Has
CCW wiped it out? Congratulations.
Derek Opitz
bullets just cause you cut somebody off.
But you will be happy to know that hunting out of the back of your truck in
Texas is illegal. Its legal in Oklahoma, but then what isnt legal in
Oklahoma?
Good thing they dont ahve casinos in Texas....
Linda Sherman <lins...@gte.net> wrote in message
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JohnnyD
than Texas, even though the gun laws are stricter in California. Doesn't
that tell you something?
And by the way, they do have casinos in Texas....one in El Paso and one in
Eagle Pass.
JohnnyD
Badger
> stuck up at knifepoint in the parking lot at Hollywood Park. He was cut
and
> required eight stitches to close the wound in his chest. However, being
> "Super" he did fend off his attackers.
I posted a couple weeks ago about Mario's other stabbing a few months ago.
This is a different incident. In the first one he was attacked by two
knife-wielding guys, Mario was stabbed but he broke one guy's arm and they
got no cash or anything from him.
This time Mario was attacked by two guys (one knife). He was stabbed in the
chest. Two moments later, the attackers were fleeing after one took a hard
kick to the groin and Mario started after the other. As he fled, one
attacker was shouting "El Diablo" (the Devil) about Mario.
"Super" Mario Esquerra is a 71-year old great-grandfather.
And the Hollywood Park parking lot is the most disgusting, customer-hating
thing you can possibly imagine. Shame on Hollywood Park.
Badger
You must live under some nice cloud. The day after Mario was stabbed, I
spent 10 minutes driving around the lot (it's HUGE), looking for a spot in
one of the two relatively safe places to park. I saw no security guards at
all, but literally over 100 customers -- some of whom were parked 300 or
more yards from the door. It's just disgusting how a place can not care AT
ALL about their customers.
ddaver...@my-deja.com
Making fun of Barry Switzer.
poker...@my-deja.com
"Badger" <stevebadg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> And the Hollywood Park parking lot is the most disgusting, customer-
hating
> thing you can possibly imagine. Shame on Hollywood Park.
>
thousands of butts in the cracks between the bricks in the road where
you leave your car that are NEVER cleaned up, ugly plain dirt where
grass and shrubs should be planted, pukey green water in fountain, all
sorts of litter and trash all over ,etc.
Ted Frank
Derek Opitz <Derek...@motorola.com> wrote:
>But you will be happy to know that hunting out of the back of your truck in
>Texas is illegal. Its legal in Oklahoma, but then what isnt legal in
>Oklahoma?
Slot machines. Blackjack. All sorts of good stuff.
--
"Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons."
-- Woody Allen
timmer
ok DianeFienstein send in the next idiot,
timmer
very well done Ms. Fienstein perhaps you should run for governor.
timmer
once had a gun that one night got up, loaded itself, and went out and shot 3
innocent people. bad gun, bad bad gun.
bill vanek
<lins...@gte.net> wrote:
>Just what I need, to be walking to my car in a casino parking lot and
>get accidentally shot by some drunken cowboy playing John Wayne with his
>phallus symbol.
>
>Lin
Well, I guess we'd better take the "phallus symbols" away
from all the police too, since people have been hit by stray
police bullets. Sure, they won't be able to protect you
anymore, but that's a small price to pay to ensure that you
can't be accidentally shot.
Incidentally, in Nevada at least, CCW permit holders are
required to take a training course, where you learn that
playing John Wayne will almost certainly cost you your
permit. Grow up, Lin, and fact the fact that there are lots
of guns out there. Do you want them in the hands of the bad
guys only?
timmer
How do you feel about liberal polititions that erode our God givin inalienable
rights to further their own political carreers.
Linda Sherman wrote:
>
> I don't much like people who file lawsuits just to make money,
>
timmer
CCW holders who brandish a weapon without a justifiable reason go to jail.
timmer
maver...@my-deja.com
Linda you moron,
First off...this is Los Angeles. A Concealed weapon charge is a joke
here. Felony charge like that gets immediately dropped down to a
misdemeanor. If they don't drop charges all together, they'll let you
go with community service and clean your record altogether if you stay
good for the next two years. You can get convicted for this every two
years for the rest of your life and die with a clean record.
Beats the hell out of someone from the ghetto robbing or killing you in
a casino parking lot.
Besides...anyone who wants a concealed weapons permit can get one in
california if you have any brains.
Maverick
In article <39F9C8B5...@gte.net>,
Gary Carson
--
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www.garycarson.com
Linda Sherman wrote in message <39F9C8B5...@gte.net>...
r_e_e...@my-deja.com
Linda Sherman <lins...@gte.net> wrote:
> "Paul E. Stine" wrote:
> >
> > Why do I have the idea that this would only happen once or twice in
> > Texas? Oh yeah, concealed carry.
>
> Just what I need, to be walking to my car in a casino parking lot and
> get accidentally shot by some drunken cowboy playing John Wayne with
his
> phallus symbol.
>
> Lin
> --
> Linda K Sherman <lins...@gte.net>
Just what I need, another person who has no idea what she is talking
about be so very prepared to throw away my constitutional rights.
Accidental deaths from firearms run about 200 annually, with the victim
overwhelmingly being the person handling the gun[1]. Annual deaths
from lightning strikes run about 90, well more than the number of
*innocent bystanders* killed by accidental firearm discharges.
Justified uses of firearms for self defense are counted in the
millions, annually.
And ONCE AGAIN you miss the vastly greater risks posed by a drunk in a
parking lot - assualt and drunken driving, just to name two.
I hope you didn't kick anyone when your knee jerked. I hope someday
you meet an idiot who wants to throw away some right that *you* value.
Then maybe you'll start to get an idea of the principles on which this
nation was established.[2]
reeper.
[1] This is social Darwinism anyway, and it improves the overall gene
pool.
[2] But I doubt it.
*** Little Boots ***
Add "You stupid cunt," on the end and then you put me down as being in
100% agreement.
*** Little Boots ***
Gary Carson
fish out of the back of a truck.
Padre Island is 180 miles long and is only inhabited on the two ends. The
sand dunes have a few coyotes hanging around.
I used to live in Port Aransas, on the North end of the island.
I knew a couple of cowboy fishermen who used to back their pickup up to the
dunes (a few miles down the island) and cast deep-sea fishing rigs into the
dunes, with pieces of meat attached to some big hooks.
Coyote fishing.
Only in Texas.
--
Gary Carson
www.garycarson.com
Derek Opitz wrote in message <8tcnde$g4...@nntp.cig.mot.com>...
Topset
Security and armed law-abiding citizens are well recognize deterrents in the
world of crime! And that is just the facts. As Sergeant Joe Friday would
say.
May the flop be with you
Topset
"Ed Hill" <EdH...@lvcm.com> wrote in message
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Topset
law-abiding citizens, with proper training and back ground checks completed,
to carry a registered hand gun(s) in any state, at any time.
Topset
"genejmpr" <gene...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Topset
Topset
"Linda Sherman" <lins...@gte.net> wrote in message
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Topset
her, not anyone else. I have her on Fox news tape admitting she does!!!!!!
Topset
"timmer" <timme...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Max Roman
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> I lived in Texas for over 20 years. When they changed the laws to allow
> carrying concealed weapons there were debates on all sides of the issue.
> The fact is that it made very little difference in everyday life in Texas.
> The bad guys had guns before the law and they have guns after the law. In
> many cases, good guys were able to protect themselves and save their
> families after the law. That's what I find so strange in good people's
> attempts to outlaw guns......they forget that the bad guys are not going
to
> follow their new law. Only the good guys will.
You know what I don't forget though, Johnny? The time the kid next door to
me shot his sister in the head with his dad's gun.
Say all you want about how most people lock them up, but some people don't,
and some kids can find hidden keys.
If he didn't have a gun, she wouldn't be dead.
That's why I am pro gun control.
Max
r_e_e...@my-deja.com
"Gary Carson" <garyc...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I knew a couple of cowboy fishermen who used to back their pickup up
to the
> dunes (a few miles down the island) and cast deep-sea fishing rigs
into the
> dunes, with pieces of meat attached to some big hooks.
>
> Coyote fishing.
>
> Only in Texas.
>
> --
> Gary Carson
> www.garycarson.com
I love it.
I've got an idiot of a friend named Spaulding. Once while trout
fishing he gobbed a big ball of velveeta cheese on a treble hook. His
inept, spastic attempt at a cast sent the bait off course, onto the
ground near some geese. One of the birds immediately scarfed down the
cheeseball. Panicked by the tension on the line, it tried to fly
away. Not wanting to leave a hundred yards of Trilene attached to the
goose (which would surely get it killed), Spaulding reeled it in before
cutting the line. It was one of those sights a person never forgets.
reeper.
*** Little Boots ***
He did it on purpose. There was a wager involved.
*** Little Boots ***
Max Roman
Alameda County, for example, has something like 3 concealed carry permits
issued to people other than cops.
The Sherriff just doesn't issue them. Same with Sherriff Hennessey in San
Francisco County, I believe.
I would imagine it's easier in places like Kern County.
Max
"genejmpr" <gene...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Badger
> Accidental deaths from firearms run about 200 annually, with the victim
Hmmm, only one response. You are a crackpot.
http://www.calvert.com/investor/ind-sri-know-ib-firearms.html
Says 36,000 here.
micha...@my-deja.com
> And the Hollywood Park parking lot is the most disgusting,
customer-hating
> thing you can possibly imagine. Shame on Hollywood Park.
>
>
No, shame on everyone who continues to risk life and limb to patronize
them. You have the ultimate vote in a free country- your feet.
But that may not be as exciting or profitable as getting assaulted and
bringing a legal suit against the owners. It would still probably be
more effective than whining about it here. And it might require taking
some personal responsibilty for your own safety rather than blaming the
evil corporate interests.
Its not like you live in a indian-gaming only state like CT where you
are "forced" to play poker there.
Badger
> What is needed is national right to carry concealed. This would allow the
> law-abiding citizens, with proper training and back ground checks
completed,
> to carry a registered hand gun(s) in any state, at any time.
I don't see how any poker player can say something so... so... dumb.
Spend one hour at a poker table and you will see half the people are
complete idiots with their money. The idea of all these loonies packing...
Jaeger T. Cat
Max Roman <maxr...@NOSPAMhome.com> wrote:
>
>You know what I don't forget though, Johnny? The time the kid next door to
>me shot his sister in the head with his dad's gun.
>
>Say all you want about how most people lock them up, but some people don't,
>and some kids can find hidden keys.
>
>If he didn't have a gun, she wouldn't be dead.
>
>That's why I am pro gun control.
>
Ah, yes... when all else fails....
do it for the chhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilddddddddrrrrrrreeeeeeeennnnnn.
Kids die from all sorts of accidents.
Get over it, and get on with your life.
r_e_e...@my-deja.com
I was referring (you *clearly* quote me above) to ACCIDENTAL handgun
deaths, the sort of which has Linda Sherman so worried. Your number is
ALL firearm deaths (homicides, etc.)[1]
Hmmmm, only one response. You are semi-illiterate.
reeper.
[1] And the most recent numbers (1996) from your web page say 34,000,
not 36,000. You got that wrong, too.
RazzO
A fine example of the Lord God looking after my friends.
As per request.
razzo
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:03:22 GMT, "ChuckHumphrey"
<ceh...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>The parking lots at Hollywood Park are dangerous. Use the valet parking
>facility if you are going there to play.
>
>During the National Poker Championships I was stuck up at gunpoint and had
>$2,500 stolen. There was a security guard 50 yards away, but she had
>abandoned her vehicle and her duties to tend to some personal business with
>her own automobile. The thieves escaped through the East Entrance to the
>Century Blvd. Parking lot, which both the Director of Security and the
>General Manager of Hollywood Park admitted to me should be locked at night
>since it is not well lighted and does not have security cameras as does the
>main West Entrance. A week later the East Entrance was still open at night.
>It is now closed.
>
>Hollywood Park has refused to reimburse me because they contend, after
>consulting with a lawyer, that they were not negligent.
>
>A few nights ago during the Seniors' tournament "Super" Mario Esquerra was
>stuck up at knifepoint in the parking lot at Hollywood Park. He was cut and
>required eight stitches to close the wound in his chest. However, being
>"Super" he did fend off his attackers.
>
>Chuck Humphrey
>
>
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> > Hmmm, only one response. You are a crackpot.
> >
> > http://www.calvert.com/investor/ind-sri-know-ib-firearms.html
> >
> > Says 36,000 here.
>
> I was referring (you *clearly* quote me above) to ACCIDENTAL handgun
> deaths, the sort of which has Linda Sherman so worried. Your number
is
> ALL firearm deaths (homicides, etc.)[1]
>
> Hmmmm, only one response. You are semi-illiterate.
>
> reeper.
>
> [1] And the most recent numbers (1996) from your web page say 34,000,
> not 36,000. You got that wrong, too.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Hmmm, only one response. Badger works for the Gore campaign. They
would be proud of his intellectually dishonest fact-twisting to further
his political view. And you forgot Steve, the NRA killed those kids at
Columbine and George Bush killed James Byrd by opposing hate-crimes laws
after the fact.
Linda Sherman
>
> oh and you are a man hater too ?,
No. Are you a woman-hater?
The seemingly universal inability of pro-gun extremists to even discuss
the subject of gun control without losing their temper and resorting to
vitriolic, often hateful language really does nothing to persuade the
rest of us that you have the judgment and temperament to be trusted with
a firearm.
Linda Sherman
> Beats the hell out of someone from the ghetto robbing or killing you in
> a casino parking lot.
Maybe if you ask him nicely, he'll hold still for a moment while you
pull out your gun and shoot him.
You guys live in fantasy-land.
Gary Carson
amendment maybe?
--
Gary Carson
www.garycarson.com
Topset wrote in message ...
Gary Carson
LOL. That's pretty funny, Steve.
The first time I ever played pot limit Omaha/8 was in a little private
cardroom in Ingleside Texas. I lived in Victoria at the time, and went down
to the game with a couple of guys I knew from Port Lavaca. I only knew them
from a poker game in Victoria and didn't know them very well (I'm not sure
what they did for a living, I think maybe car theives). So, I didn't really
know anybody there.
It was a pretty loose game, lots of action. In the middle of one hand, this
buzzing noise went off. There was a big pot, lots of action this hand.
But, when the noise went off, everybody puts there hands down and gets up.
The room had a lot of furniture in it, poker tables, dominoe tables, a lunch
counter, etc. No one was there except the players in our game.
One guy goes over to the lunch counter and gets a rifle from under the
counter. Another guy goes over to a stuffed chair and gets a pistol from
under the cushion. The owner of the room goes to a closet and gets a
shotgun. In very quick order everyone in the room has a gun except me.
They take positions at windows and doors and the owner goes out the backdoor
with his shotgun.
I'm sitting at the table, alone with the pot and the cards while all this is
going on. I'm thinking it would have been nice to have stayed home.
Then the owner comes back in and says, "squirrel must have set it off".
They all put the guns away and come back to the table, and we resume the
play of the hand.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
jone...@my-deja.com
to your neighbor. I'll never forget my brother's best
friend in grade school. He and his mother died during a home
invasion (his father survived his gunshot wounds). This is a more
common occurence, as is the incidence of violent crimes being
thwarted by homeowners with guns. I would love to live in a world
where I thought the safer course would be to not own a gun, but
I love my children too much to ignore the truth.
Ladders, Pools and electrical outlets each kill more children in
homes than guns.
Jones
In article <QxqK5.365592$i5.58...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>,
"Max Roman" <maxr...@NOSPAMhome.com> wrote:
jone...@my-deja.com
laws, and other issues important to our society, should
be discussed in a dispassionate manner. The inability
to do so exists on both sides of the issue. Why would
you label someone who does not agree with limiting someones
right to keep and bear arms a 'pro-gun extremist'?
Jones
In article <39FA483D...@gte.net>,
jone...@my-deja.com
The 34,000 are firearm related fatalaties. Reeper's
numbers are exactly the same as you would see if you
looked into actuarial tables. So subtracting out the
200 from the 34,000 firearm fatalities you receive
~ 33,800 people killed by guns. This is a lump sum
of course, counting both murders and incidents of self-
defense.
This is an issue that means a lot to me, and one on
which I've done a lot of study. I'd suggest some reading
if you really want to know the truth. Hint: insurance
companies are the best source of truth when it comes
to finding out exactly how people die...they are not
partisan they are watching the bottom line.
Jones
In article <8tdd0n$l7j$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
"Badger" <stevebadg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gary Carson
I've been around guns all my life, pretty much as far back as I can
remember. I don't even own a gun right now, although we've got guns in the
house that my girlfriend owns.
The guns were never locked up when I was a kid. There was no reason to keep
them away from me. I had a use for one I'd just take it. I'll tell my dad
I was taking it, but it wasn't a big deal. For example, when I was 15-16 I
took VA and had to make trips out to the school owned farm to take care of
my project (pigs). There where some rattlesnakes around the farm, one of
the kids got bit once, so I kept a shotgun in the trunk of the car and would
often take my dad's .45 pistol with me to the school farm. Of course, in
today's climate of fear and blame he'd be prosecuted for letting me carry a
gun onto school property.
This idea that you've got to keep guns away from kids is just bullshit. I
went dove hunting with my dad when I was 6, fired pistols at military firing
ranges when I was 8, went deer hunting with my granddad when I was 10. I
never ran amuck with them, never played with them, never had a problem with
them. And, I didn't grow up to be a gun nut. I don't hunt and the only gun
I own is a 12 guage double barrelled that had belonged to great-grandfather.
It hasn't been operable in years.
But, I'm not afraid of guns. This fear of guns people have is just an
irrational fear. There's gotta be some medication for that.
--
Gary Carson
www.garycarson.com
Max Roman wrote in message ...
JohnnyD
this thread were even tempered and considerate even though your language was
vitriolic and somewhat hateful....."shot by some drunken cowboy playing John
Wayne with his phallus symbol". In another thread you said you wouldn't
vote for anyone who wanted to take away your rights.....do you not feel as
strongly about the rights of others?
JohnnyD
"Linda Sherman" <lins...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:39FA483D...@gte.net...
JohnnyD
something like this. But the facts are more kids die because of swimming
pools than guns, but I don't see anyone fighting to eliminate pools.
Accidents happen. Some people are not as careful as they should be. But
it's not right to make everyone suffer because of these people. What about
all of the little kids who are alive and happy today because someone
defended their family?
JohnnyD
"Max Roman" <maxr...@home.com> wrote in message
news:QxqK5.365592$i5.58...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com...
maver...@my-deja.com
No Linda,
We men have brains and don't have to fish our guns out of purses full
of makeup and medications.
It doesn't take a genius...well maybe it does if you are a dumb
broad...to figure out how to look out for any approaching idiots and be
ready to pull out your gun from underneath your untucked sweatshirt.
Linda...you sound like you'd also play the perfect ATM victim...you
might as well hide your money underneath your matress. You sound like
the perfect loser...always trying to think of a reason you can't help
yourself.
In article <39FA481F...@gte.net>,
HegelsKitchen
players are incapable of thinking very clearly or rationally about much other
than check bet raise or fold. This entire thread is empirical evidence that
y'all should get out more often.
Peter Breslin
Santa Fe NM
Marc Gilutin
progression to end up talking about something off-topic like gun
control. But, please don't lose sight of the original issue. It
could've been any one of us that nearly lost his or her life the other
night.
Whatever different policies about collections, comps, food service, or
tournament rules these casinos might have, they'd all BETTER have a
strong security presence in all areas of their properties. This is
non-negotiable as far as I'm concerned.
Marc Gilutin
Michael
maver...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8tcc5c$t09$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>No one in RGP should be getting robbed at HP after the lessons I've
>given out here
Not being trained with firearms I found a slightly different solution. I
carried with me an old empty wallet. When I was confronted I tossed the
wallet in the general direction of my assailants, told them to "take it, but
leave me alone," and then ran. Not very brave or macho, but I got a good
laugh thinking about them opening my empty wallet.
Michael
(I can't out-fight 'em, but I can out-think 'em!)
Terrence Chan
>
>
>Linda you moron,
>
>First off...this is Los Angeles. A Concealed weapon charge is a joke
>here. Felony charge like that gets immediately dropped down to a
>misdemeanor. If they don't drop charges all together, they'll let you
>go with community service and clean your record altogether if you stay
>good for the next two years. You can get convicted for this every two
>years for the rest of your life and die with a clean record.
>
>Beats the hell out of someone from the ghetto robbing or killing you in
>a casino parking lot.
>
>Besides...anyone who wants a concealed weapons permit can get one in
>california if you have any brains.
One question:
I know little if anything about guns.
I live in a city where most all violent crime is perpetrated by either
drugged-up bums I could kick the shit out of with one hand, or gang
types who aren't interested in me because I have no associations
whatsoever to organized crime.
Let's say I decided for whatever reason to move to LA. Many (most?)
people on this group advocate the carrying of a concealed weapon to
protect myself. Not being a gun person, I don't challenge their
claim. But wouldn't it be more effective to carry a holstered gun?
This is, I presume, legal, and it's a pretty big deterrent to any
would-be assailants. Couldn't you just check it at the door, and pick
it up on your way out, and have it hang prominently from your side?
I'm curious as to why the proponents of carrying a concealed weapon
for one's safety usually insist that the weapon be concealed. Thanks.
>
>Maverick
>
>
>
>In article <39F9C8B5...@gte.net>,
> Linda Sherman <lins...@gte.net> wrote:
>> timmer wrote:
>> >
>> > haven't y'all got it through your thick numb skulls use the valet
>or carry a
>> > concealed weapon
>>
>> Carrying a concealed weapon is a felony in California, THANK GOD. If
>> only it were in Florida. See my other response about collateral damage
>> from some pistol-packing moron taking the law into is own hands.
>>
>> Use valet parking and wear a money belt.
>>
>> Lin
>> --
>> Linda K Sherman <lins...@gte.net>
>> Learn Welsh - http://www.dalati.com
>>
>>
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
--
Terrence Chan
http://www.sfu.ca/~tchand/
"It profiteth the wise, to be deemed a fool."
-Oceanus, Aeschylus' _Prometheus Bound_
Terrence Chan
>Read it for comprehension this time. It says 34,000.
>The 34,000 are firearm related fatalaties.
From the article:
"Firearm-related deaths are the second leading cause of injury
fatalities in the United States. In 1996, over 34,000 people died of
firearm related incidents."
Wouldn't this figure include criminals shot and killed by police
officers, which certainly must be significant?
Badger
> Hmmm, only one response. Badger works for the Gore campaign.
Another genius. Here, I'll say it so you can understand.
All Gore is a poophead. I wouldn't piss on his heart if it was on fire.
(Try and get that one John Harkness.)
David J. Qualls
>Texas is illegal. Its legal in Oklahoma, but then what isnt legal in
>Oklahoma?
>
PLAYING POKER!!!
jone...@my-deja.com
I could have expressed that better. Main point is that this
large number Badger throws out (im hoping in error) is the
number of all firearm related fatalities. Hence it does not
speak to the point of the earlier poster, much less label him
a crackpot.
Jones
In article <39fa80d1...@news.sfu.ca>,
jone...@my-deja.com
I could have expressed that better. Main point is that this
large number Badger throws out (im hoping in error) is the
number of all firearm related fatalities. Hence it does not
speak to the point of the earlier poster, much less label him
a crackpot.
Jones
In article <39fa80d1...@news.sfu.ca>,
terren...@telus.net (Terrence Chan) wrote:
Monroe
Gary Rush
... should i carry cp or pd?
... hidden or 'on the hip'?
... do i need a license to carry either one?
... do i have to register as a cp reader or a pd reader?
... which one has the biggest firepower?
... am i allowed in a card room without one?
... is it a tell if i carry both?
... should i carry neither?
... what is my expected variance to live through the nite?
... will rambo protect me in the parking lot after a big win?
... will rambo buy me breakfast?
and that good looking doll of a dealer, what about her?
should i ask her out?
life is a beach,
Badger
> large number Badger throws out (im hoping in error) is the
Yup. Somehow "accidental" morphed into "injury". Still doesn't explain the
200 number tho. And of course fatalities is not a very good measure, since
accidents are far more likely to injure than kill -- as opposed to
deliberate actions.
Gary Carson
defines drug related incident then a state execution of anyone who's ever
held a gun would qualify as a firearm related fatality.
Maybe it's just me, but anytime I read "firearm related fatality" instead of
"people killed by guns" I start to wonder what the hell they're talking
about. Usually you'll find that the word "related" has been given some
special meaning.
--
Gary Carson
www.garycarson.com
Terrence Chan wrote in message <39fa80d1...@news.sfu.ca>...
timmer
out my good spots
thanks
timmer
can still fish for ducks though.
Gary Carson wrote:
> Hunting out of the back of a pickup might be illegal in Texas. But, you can
> fish out of the back of a truck.
>
> Padre Island is 180 miles long and is only inhabited on the two ends. The
> sand dunes have a few coyotes hanging around.
>
> I used to live in Port Aransas, on the North end of the island.
>
> I knew a couple of cowboy fishermen who used to back their pickup up to the
> dunes (a few miles down the island) and cast deep-sea fishing rigs into the
> dunes, with pieces of meat attached to some big hooks.
>
> Coyote fishing.
>
> Only in Texas.
>
> --
> Gary Carson
> www.garycarson.com
>
> Derek Opitz wrote in message <8tcnde$g4...@nntp.cig.mot.com>...
> >Better yet, cut somebody off while driving. Nothing like a car full of
> >bullets just cause you cut somebody off.
> >
> >But you will be happy to know that hunting out of the back of your truck in
> >Texas is illegal. Its legal in Oklahoma, but then what isnt legal in
> >Oklahoma?
> >
> >Good thing they dont ahve casinos in Texas....
> >
> >
> >Linda Sherman <lins...@gte.net> wrote in message
> >news:39F9C7FE...@gte.net...
> >> "Paul E. Stine" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Why do I have the idea that this would only happen once or twice in
> >> > Texas? Oh yeah, concealed carry.
> >>
> >> Just what I need, to be walking to my car in a casino parking lot and
> >> get accidentally shot by some drunken cowboy playing John Wayne with his
> >> phallus symbol.
> >>
timmer
statistics writers and you will have a clearer picture of the truth.
timmer
Steve BIA
>All Gore is a poophead
A poophead????? ROFL!
Steve N
timmer
I also love the Bill of Rights. As it is one thing we got over every other
nation.
call me silly call me crazy but haven't a few million God fearing American
MEN died to defend it.
But, I do have one, In fact I have many and I am very well trained and If I
ever saw another person offending you with extreme or potentially deadly
bodily harm I would use it to put a immediate end to the offender. I know
that doesn't make you feel better now but if that was the case I am sure it
would.
How would you like to participate in a free sub machine gun course? I could
arrange it.
timmer
knows gun safety lies between the ears of the handler.
Linda Sherman wrote:
> timmer wrote:
> >
> > oh and you are a man hater too ?,
>
> No. Are you a woman-hater?
>
> The seemingly universal inability of pro-gun extremists to even discuss
> the subject of gun control without losing their temper and resorting to
> vitriolic, often hateful language really does nothing to persuade the
> rest of us that you have the judgment and temperament to be trusted with
> a firearm.
>
timmer
you know nothing about what you speak yet you say we live in fantasy.
I've shot crows out of the sky with a .45 at 50 yards.
what makes you think I couldnt hit a cow at 7 yards.
timmer
Linda Sherman wrote:
> maver...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > Beats the hell out of someone from the ghetto robbing or killing you in
> > a casino parking lot.
>
> Maybe if you ask him nicely, he'll hold still for a moment while you
> pull out your gun and shoot him.
>
> You guys live in fantasy-land.
>
timmer
your starting to get to me Gary.
timmer
Gary Carson wrote:
> A national right? What a thought. How would we do that? Constitutional
> amendment maybe?
>
> --
> Gary Carson
> www.garycarson.com
>
> Topset wrote in message ...
> >What is needed is national right to carry concealed. This would allow the
> >law-abiding citizens, with proper training and back ground checks
> completed,
> >to carry a registered hand gun(s) in any state, at any time.
> >
> >Topset
> >
> >
> >"genejmpr" <gene...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> >news:8tcjck$3vo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> You can get a liscence to carry a concealed weapon in California, you
> >> just need to be a little creative and not have a criminal record.
> >>
> >> J-
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tentanda Via
timmer
It is just part of the stream of never ending rhetoric from people who
don't know what they are talking about.
timmer
timmer
in the middle of the night. pulled out his dads 30.06 from a locked gun
safe loaded it . stuck the buisness end of it in his mouth and pulled
the trigger blowing the top of his skull off.
was this a gun accident ?
timmer
knows most accidents aint accidents.
timmer
This a very good point a throw down wallet is a very good option.
timmer
escape, evade, engage
timmer
you come out firing.
and because we don't want all the gun grabbing extremists calling the cops
every time they turn around.
timmer
you got one riot, you get one ranger.
Paul Gennaro
They ought to ban knives.
-Paul
Max Roman <maxr...@home.com> wrote in message
news:QxqK5.365592$i5.58...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com...
> You know what I don't forget though, Johnny? The time the kid next door
to
> me shot his sister in the head with his dad's gun.
>
> Say all you want about how most people lock them up, but some people
don't,
> and some kids can find hidden keys.
>
> If he didn't have a gun, she wouldn't be dead.
>
> That's why I am pro gun control.
>
> Max
> > "Linda Sherman" <lins...@gte.net> wrote in message
> > news:39F9C7FE...@gte.net...
> > > "Paul E. Stine" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Why do I have the idea that this would only happen once or twice in
> > > > Texas? Oh yeah, concealed carry.
> > >
> > > Just what I need, to be walking to my car in a casino parking lot and
> > > get accidentally shot by some drunken cowboy playing John Wayne with
his
> > > phallus symbol.
> > >
Paul Gennaro
-Paul
Linda Sherman
>
> Linda, though I don't consider myself an extremist, I believe MY comments in
> this thread were even tempered and considerate even though your language was
> vitriolic and somewhat hateful....."shot by some drunken cowboy playing John
> Wayne with his phallus symbol".
It was merely sarcasm.
Paul Gennaro
> Carrying a concealed weapon is a felony in California, THANK GOD.
> Lin
> --
> Linda K Sherman <lins...@gte.net>
> Learn Welsh - http://www.dalati.com
Thank GOD?
The right to bear arms COMES from God.
Man is endowed by his CREATOR with certain unalienable rights.
The right to bear arms was there before the government existed, before the
Constitution was written, and before the 2nd amendment was added.
The 2nd amendment does not GRANT you the right to bear arms. The right was
ALREADY THERE.
Government's proper function is not to GRANT us rights, but to protect those
rights given to man by God before the government even existed. This
concept is unique. It separates us from the rest of the world. It made us
the greatest nation the world has ever seen, with the most liberty and
prosperity.
-Paul
HegelsKitchen
>The right to bear arms COMES from God.
>Man is endowed by his CREATOR with certain unalienable rights.
lol. The Founders had exactly what hot line they could dial to find out what
those rights were? Things change. Get over it.
No one has raised the entirely legitimate question of exactly how to interpret
the amendment. Does it really grant the right to bear arms to individual
citizens? "A well ordered militia" is how it starts- tell ya what- let's grant
that we have the right to own a front loading musket if and only if we belong
to a citizens militia.
That work for you? Call god up and tell me what she says.
Peter Breslin
Santa Fe NM
Asha34
This is an interesting post. How do you know that God gave man the right
to bear arms?
Ashley
Nopairkid
>carried with me an old empty wallet. When I was confronted I tossed the
>wallet in the general direction of my assailants, told them to "take it, but
>leave me alone," and then ran. Not very brave or macho, but I got a good
>laugh thinking about them opening my empty wallet.
>
>
>Michael
>(I can't out-fight 'em, but I can out-think 'em!)
>
>
The old time road gamblers used to use a tactic similar to this called a
"Chicago roll." This was a roll of one dollar bills and paper surrounded by a
$20. If drawn down on they would pull this out, toss it at the perps, and run
like hell.
mredge
Cutting and piercing instruments 3,200
Guess we need to collect all the scissors in America, too since people are
continuing to run with them.
Paul Gennaro
You interpret what the amendment meant by reading what the writers said it
meant. They spelled things out quite clearly in The Federalist Papers. If
you went to public school you may not be familiar with these essays.
And in the Preamble, the Founders declare right from the beginning that our
basic rights, amongst them being life, liberty, and the pursuit of
happiness, come from our Creator and they are unalienable and self evident.
In other words our rights existed BEFORE government was created and self
evident means that they are so OBVIOUS that they don't even need explaining.
Now that's what they said, smart guy. If that don't sound good to you
perhaps you'd like to live in Havana.
And these ideas DON'T change. The Constitution is not "outdated".
Technology changes, yes, but political principles are ETERNAL. These
principles are exactly the same now as they were in ancient Rome.
And the main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to protect us from
dictatorship. If 6 million Jews were well armed, it would have been
considerably more difficult for Hitler to march them off to the death camps.
And the same for 700,000 Rwandans, 60 million Chinese, 3 million Cambodians,
and on and on and on.
And THAT, fool, is fucking self-evident.
I raised. Call, pass, or raise me back. Or put your name on the board for
a smaller limit.
-Paul
"HegelsKitchen" <hegels...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001028195103...@ng-fl1.aol.com...
Paul Gennaro
Our founders recognized that if rights come from government, then the
government can take away those rights too. So they declared that our rights
CANNOT be taken away. We ALWAYS have these rights. A legitimate government
protects our God-given rights. A government that takes away these rights is
thus illegitimate. Most people who have lived on this planet have lived
under oppression by an illegitimate government.
Ashley, I think our right to defend ourselves is one of those self-evident
rights. So obvious that it doesn't even need to be explained.
Have we all seen that 30-minute infomercial by the NRA where they interview
people from Australia, South Africa, Britain, and even Canada? You know the
one, where they are all talking about their government's confiscation of
firearms. It's really happening, y'know.
And the biggest proponent of gun confiscation is the United Nations.
They've got sinister plans for us. It's a trap.
The 2nd amendment was not meant to protect hunter's rights to shoot quail.
It was just another safeguard, or the final safeguard (if you will), to
prevent dictatorship. If they take away our rights under the 2nd amendment,
the rights enumerated in the rest of the amendments will fall like dominoes.
Best Regards,
-Paul
"Asha34" <ash...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001028200840...@ng-bk1.aol.com...
jone...@my-deja.com
In article <8teev6$5ta$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,
"Badger" <stevebadg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <jone...@my-deja.com> wrote ...
> > large number Badger throws out (im hoping in error) is the
>
> Yup. Somehow "accidental" morphed into "injury".
Injury was your word, specifically you said something about
"injury related fatalities". Not sure what this means, I figured
you merely mispoke. We were speaking of accidental deaths with
firearms earlier, your link measured all deaths due to firearms,
again I figure you just didn't read it closely.
Still doesn't
explain the
> 200 number tho.
Yes, you've yet to explain why the number is so small, given
your (implied) assertion that citizens having guns is so dangerous.
And of course fatalities is not a very good measure,
since
> accidents are far more likely to injure than kill -- as opposed to
> deliberate actions.
>
Seems like a reasonable guess, don't know if you are right or not
here. Bottom line: incidents of violent crime have gone down in
states where concealed carry laws have been passed. An obvious
conclusion, and one that has been measured in studies that seek
to filter out any other cause (economic changes, tougher sentencing
on violent crimes, etc) of these decreases in incidence of violent
crimes, is that the concealed carry laws result in this reduction
of violent crime.
Jones
frankw
and NOT from the gov't was on the money. Too many readers of this rgp have
attended public schools and have been weaned on the premise that gov't is
the solution (the more, the better) and not the better. They skipped over
history to shade the fact that gov't started "helping" health care in '54
with Hill-Burton Act and then went on to form the depts' of Education and
Energy etc. Notice how much better things have become ?
Frank W
Mike
>dictatorship
Our founding fathers God bless them where revolutionarys out to overthrough an
oppressive goverment.When they called for a well armed militia they where
thinking as such.I dont see a need for revolution in the forseeable future but
ya never know!--keepin my powder dry--
timmer
trying to erode.
timmer
its , like, self evident
Linda Sherman
>
> The right to bear arms COMES from God.
Well, my copy of the Bible says 'Thou shalt not kill.' Actually it says
"Na ladd", but that's neither here nor there. There's also something in
there about beating swords into plowshares and turning the other cheek.
Or were you referring to some other "God"?
Ted Frank
>>dictatorship
This is 100% false. The main purpose of the Second Amendment was
to alleviate concerns of states that the federal government would
not be responsive to Indian attacks on the frontier. The Virginia
delegation proposed an amendment reserving a right of rebellion
against the government, and it failed overwhelmingly, yet some
insist on reading the Second Amendment to incorporate this failed
amendment.
Before I get raked over the coals, let me note:
1) gun control is bad policy
2) CCW is good policy
3) not all bad policies are unconstitutional
4) there was a very good reason that talk.politics.guns was
established.
Followups set.
Recommended reading:
Policy issue:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN%3D0226493636/thf2homepageA
History issue:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684844893/thf2homepageA
--
"Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons."
-- Woody Allen
Linda Sherman
>
> Dear Ashley,
>
> Our founders recognized that if rights come from government, then the
> government can take away those rights too. So they declared that our rights
> CANNOT be taken away.
If it's not in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, it has no legal
basis. The Federalist papers express the views of mortal humans who had
no more inside access to God than you do. Quoting someone else who
happens to agree with you doesn't mean you're both right.
The "founding fathers" were not always in agreement on things, either,
and not all agreed with the sentiments expressed in the Federalist
Papers. The Constitution and Bill of Rights were compromises, and they
weren't even the first stab at a government. The original Articles of
Confederation had no Bill of Rights at all.
> Have we all seen that 30-minute infomercial by the NRA where they interview
> people from Australia, South Africa, Britain, and even Canada? You know the
> one, where they are all talking about their government's confiscation of
> firearms. It's really happening, y'know.
Funny, but hardly anyone in those countries is complaining, except of
course the gun nuts. I've seen the NRA infomercial. It's a bag of lies
and distortions, at least about gun laws in the UK. Gun ownership is
still legal in the UK - with a license. The confiscation program applied
mainly to large-caliber hand guns and automatic weapons.
I've been to Britain. It's not a police state. Most of the cops still
don't carry guns there except on special duties. Britons have pretty
much the same freedoms there that we do here, believe it or not.
Paul Gennaro
I've never once said whether I'm a Catholic, a Jew, a Moslem, or even an
atheist.
What I said was that the men who wrote our Constitution said "Man was
endowed by his Creator" with our basic civil rights. (even the civil rights
of atheists)
That's what they said.
And Linda, you mention that the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill." You and I
know that means "Thou shalt not MURDER" as per section 187 of the California
Penal Code.
If some monster is about to harm my loved ones, and I splatter his brains on
the wall with a 45 caliber, well..., if there is a God, well....it's gotta
be alright with Him. I think "Thou shalt not kill" needs a qualifier.
It's like Omaha.
Speaking of Omaha, y'know, THAT'S all they play in hell. And low NEVER gets
there. For eternity.
-Paul
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government says they are?
DrToast