16 Questions Doyle Russ GCA
Newgca
#1 What if you had started cheating 30 years ago, would you have scammed with
the best players you could or just anyone?
#2 What if you had started scamming 30 years ago, do you think you would
have made money?
#3 What if you had started scamming 30 years ago and made money, would your
team play higher stakes, or just stay at the same level for 30 years?
#4 What if your team played well through the years, do you think you would
have stopped and gone on alone, while they continued to scam?
#5 What if another world class player suspected you were scamming and was
about to put heat on you if you wouldn't let him in, would you let him in?
#6 What if others had been scamming through the years, how could you stop
them if they were world class players?
#7 What if a couple of scammers were to put marked cards into a very high
stakes game, how quickly could you catch them if they were world class players?
#8 What if the person working in a casino was to help a group of scammers
put marked cards into the high stakes game, how much damage do you imagine
could be done?
#9 What if a card marking as easy to make as white flash was put into the
game by a floorman, to be played by a world class scamming team, how would you
know?
#10 What if you asked for a set-up change, and were to get another box of
white flash?
#11 What if the scammers had been playing for twenty years in the same venue,
would you think they had any influence on management?
#12 What if you had started scamming 30 years ago and were still doing it
today, would you confess?
#13 What if you started scamming 30 years ago, where do you think you would
be?
#14 What if you had the use of the camera with the aid of management for 20
years, where in the hierarchy of poker do you think you would be?
#15 What if you did start scamming 30 years ago with a team, who could have
stopped you and how could they have stopped you?
#16 What if you were guilty, would you lie about it?
Russ Georgiev
SwamperTw
<snip,16 questions for DB>
How come all these require gross speculation on the answerers part?
Brett Orlob
I'll make it as simple as possible for you. I will point out how one of
these questions combind with your battling with Mr Brunson prove you to be a
liar beyond any doubt whatsoever.
>
> #5 What if another world class player suspected you were scamming and
was
> about to put heat on you if you wouldn't let him in, would you let him in?
>
Any sane, intelligent person who is cheating would say yes to this
proposition. Let's assume Doyle Brunson is both sane and intelligent as
crazy and/or stupid people can neither succed at poker nor orchestrate a
complex conspiracy.
You have claimed to be both a world class player and a cheat. You are
certainly putting heat on Mr Brunson. So there are two possibilities:
1-You are lying about being world class and Mr Brunson won't let you into
his scam for your own incompetence.
2-Mr Brunson is not cheating, as you hve claimed he is.
Either way you are full of shit.
Newgca
I am already ahead.
>I'll make it as simple as possible for you. I will point out how one of
>these questions combind with your battling with Mr Brunson prove you to be a
>liar beyond any doubt whatsoever.
>
They will make you an idiot in that case, for an answer to number 16 would be
exactly the same.
> #5 What if another world class player suspected you were scamming and
>was
>> about to put heat on you if you wouldn't let him in, would you let him in?
>Any sane, intelligent person who is cheating would say yes to this
>proposition.
Then any sane person would say yes to number 16. So what does that make you,
half crazy?
I accept this assumption.
Russ Georgiev
Brett Orlob
> >I am going to focus on deductive reasoning here Russ, so try to keep up.
>
>
> >I'll make it as simple as possible for you. I will point out how one of
> >these questions combind with your battling with Mr Brunson prove you to
be a
> >liar beyond any doubt whatsoever.
> >
>
> They will make you an idiot in that case, for an answer to number 16 would
be
> exactly the same.
Try rewording number sixteen to say, if you were not cheating all this time,
would you deny that you were? That's funny! You get the same answer. By
the way, Russ, did you ever stop molesting puppies and six year old boys?
>
> > #5 What if another world class player suspected you were scamming
and
> >was
> >> about to put heat on you if you wouldn't let him in, would you let him
in?
>
> >Any sane, intelligent person who is cheating would say yes to this
> >proposition.
>
> Then any sane person would say yes to number 16. So what does that make
you,
> half crazy?
>
> I accept this assumption.
So do I, but that's not the point. If a cheater would let a competent
person in who was applying pressure, and you were competent and Doyle
Brunson were cheating, then he'd be crazy or stupid not to be allied with
you. Since he obviously isn't working with you, we must assume one of these
suppositions is incorrect:
1-Doyle Brunson is a cheat.
2-Russ Georgiev is competent
3-Doyle Brunson is neither Crazy or stupid.
Go ahead Russ, pick one.
Call Mr Brunson crazy or stupid, and you'll prove what a jackass you are
even beyond what you have done already.
Admit that either of the other two is false, and I will happily agree with
you.
> Russ Georgiev
>
>
Newgca
>>
From: TEX DOLLY (texd...@aol.com)
Subject: Marty Carson
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.poker
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Date: 2001-06-14 12:23:55 PST
The only reason I'm responding about this stupid question is it is so stupid.
Yes, I knew Marty in the 70s. Everybody knew everybody then. Las Vegas was 10%
the size it is today. I haven't seen him or talked to him in 25 years...he
could have been dead as far as I knew.
I also know [or knew] Jimmy Chagra, Brett Musberger, Charles Harolson, Lyndon
Johnson,Tony Spilotro, and Matt Damon. So what?
Gary, the book you need to read is Dirty Dealing, written by Gary Cartwright.
It tells all about the Chagras and has a lot of Texas history. Great book.
Doyle Brunson
Brett Orlob
is a bit redundant.
TEX DOLLY
Date: 7/31/02 1:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <20020731041455...@mb-fc.aol.com>
Doyle, these are all "if" questions, as what "if"?
#1 What if you had started cheating 30 years ago, would you have scammed with
the best players you could or just anyone?
>DB..I don't know because I was the "mark". It would be logical to get the
best.
#2 What if you had started scamming 30 years ago, do you think you would
have made money?
>DB...Yes
#3 What if you had started scamming 30 years ago and made money, would your
team play higher stakes, or just stay at the same level for 30 years?
>DB..How would I know if I never did it?
#4 What if your team played well through the years, do you think you would
have stopped and gone on alone, while they continued to scam?
>DB...Same answer as #3
#5 What if another world class player suspected you were scamming and was
about to put heat on you if you wouldn't let him in, would you let him in?
>DB...same answer as 3 and 4
#6 What if others had been scamming through the years, how could you stop
them if they were world class players?
>DB...WCP or not, they would have to make mistakes. Today, I would voice my
feelings, and ask to see their hand when questionable plays came up. I've seen
that done many times in the bigger games. When I played no limit all the time,
I was aganist teams all the time...if you know for sure, you can trap them a
lot.. It is more difficult in limit poker as I found out.
#7 What if a couple of scammers were to put marked cards into a very high
stakes game, how quickly could you catch them if they were world class players?
>DB...We change decks every 20 minutes in our games. They would really have to
have the place loaded to keep marked cards in play. They have to look at the
cards to see them, so along with the "feeling" you get when something is wrong,
you watch players [which is something I've always done anyway] eyes to see if
they watch the cards.
#8 What if the person working in a casino was to help a group of scammers
put marked cards into the high stakes game, how much damage do you imagine
could be done?
Plenty...but they would get caught pretty quick. You can always ask for a deck
or break a card and keep it. Then, have it examined by a compent person.
#9 What if a card marking as easy to make as white flash was put into the
game by a floorman, to be played by a world class scamming team, how would you
know?
>DB..I would "feel" it very quickly.
#10 What if you asked for a set-up change, and were to get another box of
white flash?
>DB..I can't see it..so if I suspected it, I would keep asking for brand new
cards. Scammers are all cowards..if they thought they were under suspicion,
they would run for cover, as I'm sure you have done. Also, you can always quit
the game.
#11 What if the scammers had been playing for twenty years in the same venue,
would you think they had any influence on management?
>DB..I think they would have been caught and ran out.
#12 What if you had started scamming 30 years ago and were still doing it
today, would you confess?
Here is something you don't understand. If I had cheated in the "old" days, I
would readily admit it. Everybody [well, almost everybody] was taking their
best shot. I wouldn't be embarrassed or anything. I tried to explain before, I
played almost all no limit and I could survive cheaters after I learned to duck
the "coolers". After I started playing limit was when I got in trouble. I was
the "mark" in those days. Ask Sklansky or any of the people that were around
during that time.
#13 What if you started scamming 30 years ago, where do you think you would
be?
>DB..How would I know? Not nearly as well off as I am now. All the cheaters
I've known wind up getting broke because they all think they are champion
players and none of them can play a lick.
#14 What if you had the use of the camera with the aid of management for 20
years, where in the hierarchy of poker do you think you would be?
>DB...same answer as #13
#15 What if you did start scamming 30 years ago with a team, who could have
stopped you and how could they have stopped you?
I don't know, but I'm sure I would have been accused somewhere, sometime in 45
years. As far as I know, no real player has ever [and 45 years is a long time]
accused me of being dishonest in poker. What does "logic" tell you about that.
#16 What if you were guilty, would you lie about it?
>DB..Don't know, because I'm not guilty. Most cheaters don't deny it. Why do
you think I'm going through this? If I was guilty, I would sit back and let you
continue to make a fool of yourself. Nobody in my circle believes you
anyway...they know better. I guess I'm defending myself because as I said, you
seem to have Brunsonitis. I never said you were jealous of me as a person, only
of what I've accomplished in poker. Of course, all of us that are getting long
in the tooth would like to go back and recapture our youth. But, that is
impossible to do and I enjoy where I am in life. That is, until I heard of
you!!!!
Russ Georgiev
William Loughborough
"TEX DOLLY" <texd...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020731134845...@mb-md.aol.com...
> Of course, all of us that are getting long
> in the tooth would like to go back and recapture our youth.
WL: Not me, young fella. Some of us are much more into looking forward than
back and those long past years hold no allure.
Love.
Gary Carson
>
>Here is something you don't understand. If I had cheated in the "old"
days, I
>would readily admit it. Everybody [well, almost everybody] was taking
their
>best shot. I wouldn't be embarrassed or anything.
This has the ring of truth to it. I believe it.
Gary Carson
http:// garycarson.home.mindspring.com
Newgca
>days, I
>>would readily admit it.
How about if you were still cheating Doyle?
calmar
TEX DOLLY wrote:
>
> #8 What if the person working in a casino was to help a group of scammers
> put marked cards into the high stakes game, how much damage do you imagine
> could be done?
>
> Plenty...but they would get caught pretty quick. You can always ask for a deck
> or break a card and keep it. Then, have it examined by a compent person.
>
Which limits the cheatings methods to scamming, I guess.
> #12 What if you had started scamming 30 years ago and were still doing it
> today, would you confess?
>
> Here is something you don't understand. If I had cheated in the "old" days, I
> would readily admit it. Everybody [well, almost everybody] was taking their
> best shot. I wouldn't be embarrassed or anything. I tried to explain before, I
> played almost all no limit and I could survive cheaters after I learned to duck
> the "coolers". After I started playing limit was when I got in trouble. I was
> the "mark" in those days. Ask Sklansky or any of the people that were around
> during that time.
>
My internal lying detector marks this as truth.
Personally I decide (as outstanding viewer), that DB is
telling the truth all over.
On the same time Russ does also know a lot about
cheating..when DB even says:(.....was taking their best
shot,...learned to duck the "coolers",.. I was the 'mark').
Maybe Russ has just the wrong person in the visor unfortunately.
Obviously he never played really with Doyle..so how could he
have direct first hand informations. Lot of 'logic and
conclusion' and a very strong believe..really successful
poker players over the long run MUST be cheaters.
But that cheaters will be in the first position over the
long run is FALSE in life, and probably also false in poker.
Even hard to beleive..but I almost 'KNOW' the honest one can
most of the time still beat cheaters, like in the 'wild west
' movies..the good ones will win.
In the honesty is lot of power, which a cheater probably can
never know about really.
calmar