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lawh...@hiwaay.net

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Mar 7, 2010, 2:01:43 PM3/7/10
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A friend who doesn’t have access to RGP asked me to post the following
question on his behalf. Please keep in mind that I don’t know a thing
about deuce to seven low ball, (including the rules or how low ball
works), so direct any insults or caustic comments to him and not to
me. Thanks.

Alan C. Lawhon
Huntsville, Alabama

Alan,
If you don't mind would you ask this question on RGP?
Here is a hand that came up when I was playing 2-7 triple draw low
ball.
I get dealt 76543 which is a straight and straights and flushes count
against you, or in other words a straight is a straight.
So, My question is this. What card do I throw away. I tossed the 7 and
drew an 8 which is often a good hand but it was a bad 8 and I lost to
a better 8. My 86543 lost to 86432.
Looking back, my first thought was to just fold the hand, toss the 7
or the 6. I wonder if I played the hand that bad and what others may
think.
Thanks man.

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Mar 7, 2010, 2:42:19 PM3/7/10
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You toss the 6.

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Paul Popinjay

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Mar 7, 2010, 2:35:55 PM3/7/10
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<lawh...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in message
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> Looking back, my first thought was to

a.) just fold the hand [X]

b.) toss the 7

c.) or the 6.

XaQ Morphy

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Mar 7, 2010, 3:37:35 PM3/7/10
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On Mar 7 2010 1:01 PM, lawh...@HiWAAY.net wrote:

> My 86543 lost to 86432.

Was he playing Popinjay last night too?

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johnny_t

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Mar 7, 2010, 3:59:31 PM3/7/10
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On 3/7/10 11:01 AM, lawh...@HiWAAY.net wrote:
> A friend who doesn�t have access to RGP asked me to post the following
> question on his behalf. Please keep in mind that I don�t know a thing

> about deuce to seven low ball, (including the rules or how low ball
> works), so direct any insults or caustic comments to him and not to
> me. Thanks.
>
> Alan C. Lawhon
> Huntsville, Alabama
>
> Alan,
> If you don't mind would you ask this question on RGP?
> Here is a hand that came up when I was playing 2-7 triple draw low
> ball.
> I get dealt 76543 which is a straight and straights and flushes count
> against you, or in other words a straight is a straight.
> So, My question is this. What card do I throw away. I tossed the 7 and
> drew an 8 which is often a good hand but it was a bad 8 and I lost to
> a better 8. My 86543 lost to 86432.
> Looking back, my first thought was to just fold the hand, toss the 7
> or the 6. I wonder if I played the hand that bad and what others may
> think.
> Thanks man.
>


Best possible draw and you lost. Didn't matter what you did, you could
have stayed pat.

Pitch the 6, you still lose with the 87, maybe you can fold, but you
make the nuts on a 2, and you win.

A Man Beaten by Jacks

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Mar 7, 2010, 4:29:24 PM3/7/10
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WTF? Was he in the BB and got to draw free? If so, the 6. If not,
don't play this shit!

Paul Popinjay

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Mar 7, 2010, 5:38:01 PM3/7/10
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"johnny_t" <nobo...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Best possible draw and you lost. Didn't matter what you did, you could
> have stayed pat.
>
> Pitch the 6, you still lose with the 87, maybe you can fold, but you make
> the nuts on a 2, and you win.


Hey Johnny, do you EVER get tired of offering your opinion on this newsgroup
when you don't know what the fuck you're talking about? I mean, doesn't
anything embarrass you?


Will in New Haven

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Mar 7, 2010, 5:47:13 PM3/7/10
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On Mar 7, 2:35 pm, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> <lawho...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in message

In an unraised Big Blind situation, throwing the 6 is better than
throwing the 7, correct?

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Paul Popinjay

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Mar 7, 2010, 5:57:05 PM3/7/10
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"Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
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> In an unraised Big Blind situation, throwing the 6 is better than
> throwing the 7, correct?


I see we have some nitpickers here looking to chink my armor. Yes, of
course you are right, as was Man Beaten by Jacks when he posted also. As an
aside, this scenario would probably only happen in smaller games, and I
cannot imagine the pot not being raise-opened most of the time in bigger
games.

I remember a prop in Gardena I used to play with regularly, (Ace-to-5), who
used to religiously limp-open (called gypsying) and his action was equally
divided between having a weak 2-card draw or a strong pat hand to 3-bet you
with, should you decide to pop him. It was unusual style, especially as it
was one of the higher limit games he played in. It really used to irritate
me, as slowplaying goes against the grain in Ace-to-5 lowball, especially my
grain. But it doesn't bother me anymore. For one thing, I am older now and
much more mature. And another thing, he's dead.


K9way

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Mar 7, 2010, 6:30:15 PM3/7/10
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how could you EVER consider therowing the 7 ? you throw the 7 you got 4
chances to catch a 2 and 4 to catch an 8
id rather make the nuts than an 8-6

sometimes I wonder about you


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Will in New Haven

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Mar 7, 2010, 6:49:49 PM3/7/10
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On Mar 7, 5:57 pm, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message

> news:64828ecb-bc5e-436b-892e-
>
> > In an unraised Big Blind situation, throwing the 6 is better than
> > throwing the 7, correct?
>
> I see we have some nitpickers here looking to chink my armor.  Yes, of
> course you are right, as was Man Beaten by Jacks when he posted also.  As an
> aside, this scenario would probably only happen in smaller games, and I
> cannot imagine the pot not being raise-opened most of the time in bigger
> games.

I don't think I was in many unraised Big Blinds in the time I played
it. But it does happen and what to draw to give yourself the best
chance is something to think about.

>
> I remember a prop in Gardena I used to play with regularly, (Ace-to-5), who
> used to religiously limp-open (called gypsying) and his action was equally
> divided between having a weak 2-card draw or a strong pat hand to 3-bet you
> with, should you decide to pop him.  It was unusual style, especially as it
> was one of the higher limit games he played in.  It really used to irritate
> me, as slowplaying goes against the grain in Ace-to-5 lowball, especially my
> grain.  But it doesn't bother me anymore.  For one thing, I am older now and
> much more mature.  And another thing, he's dead.

Both are inevitable for everyone, except for the "mature" part.

Will in New Haven

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Mar 7, 2010, 6:54:03 PM3/7/10
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On Mar 7, 6:30 pm, "K9way" <ad14...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Mar 7 2010 5:47 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 7, 2:35 pm, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > <lawho...@HiWAAY.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:fd9411be-9eb7-4174...@19g2000yqu.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > Looking back, my first thought was to
>
> > > a.) just fold the hand     [X]
>
> > > b.) toss the 7
>
> > > c.) or the 6.
>
> > In an unraised Big Blind situation, throwing the 6 is better than
> > throwing the 7, correct?
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> how could you EVER consider therowing the 7 ? you throw the 7 you got 4
> chances to catch a 2 and 4 to catch an 8
> id rather make the nuts than an 8-6
>
> sometimes I wonder about you

This game was played in our local game for about three years but I
knew not to throw the Seven.
I just asked Popinjay to clarify what he meant and he did. Obviously,
you fold the hand except in an unraised blind situation, so it never
came up for me that I remember.

I never played this game in a tournament and I wonder if that changes
what you would do with this hand.

Paul Popinjay

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Mar 7, 2010, 6:58:40 PM3/7/10
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"K9way" <ad1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> how could you EVER consider therowing the 7 ? you throw the 7 you got 4
> chances to catch a 2 and 4 to catch an 8
> id rather make the nuts than an 8-6
>
> sometimes I wonder about you
>

You know what? I am going to have to apologize. Yes, that's right,
Popinjay is going to have to humble himself. I guess my reading
comprehension sucks, as I was paying so much attention to what SHOULD be
done, that is not play the hand in the first place, that I failed to notice
that he had offered a choice between the 6 or the *7*! I just thought he
said the 6 or the 5, which would seem a more logical question, uhh, I guess.
I mean, throwing the 7 is so idiotic that I hadn't even noticed that. Omg!

And as I look back at the original post, it seems our guy actually DID throw
the 7. Wow, oh wow. I guess I really shouldn't talk, because it was quite
beldin-like of me to misread this in the first place. Go ahead, everyone
(except Johnny T) can call me a retard now. I deserve it.

Gary Carson

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Mar 7, 2010, 7:42:08 PM3/7/10
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On Mar 7 2010 5:49 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> On Mar 7, 5:57�pm, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
> > news:64828ecb-bc5e-436b-892e-
> >
> > > In an unraised Big Blind situation, throwing the 6 is better than
> > > throwing the 7, correct?
> >
> > I see we have some nitpickers here looking to chink my armor. �Yes, of
> > course you are right, as was Man Beaten by Jacks when he posted also. �As
an
> > aside, this scenario would probably only happen in smaller games, and I
> > cannot imagine the pot not being raise-opened most of the time in bigger
> > games.
>
> I don't think I was in many unraised Big Blinds in the time I played
> it. But it does happen and what to draw to give yourself the best
> chance is something to think about.
>

In the NL games at Artichoke Joes all of them required a raise bring-in
(1-1-2 blinds, 4 to go).

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Paul Popinjay

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"Gary Carson" <garyc...@pokercultureblog.com> wrote in message
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>
> In the NL games at Artichoke Joes all of them required a raise bring-in
> (1-1-2 blinds, 4 to go).
>

I don't want to sound anal, (well maybe I do), but that wasn't really a
raise, imo. I mean, in Northern California-style Straight Limit, the
"blinds" might be 5-5-10, and you OPEN for 20. You're not raising, because
it's a "20" game. The blinds are partial bets. Same with the NL, I mean,
it's a "4-to-go" game. I dunno, you can call it a raise if you want, but I
call it an "open".


johnny_t

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Mar 7, 2010, 11:14:16 PM3/7/10
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Does it embarrass you? You are at least 100-1 in the non good opinion
race with me.

I'll take it. I learn and move on. I will be perfect someday.

misanthropic whackjob

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Mar 8, 2010, 12:19:15 AM3/8/10
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Playing 2-7 lowball, get dealt 34567. What card do I discard, and why?
Thanks.

HTH


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XaQ Morphy

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On Mar 7 2010 11:19 PM, misanthropic whackjob wrote:

> Dear Wes (not his real name),


>
> Playing 2-7 lowball, get dealt 34567. What card do I discard, and why?
> Thanks.
>
> HTH

FYP.

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Mar 8, 2010, 2:35:49 AM3/8/10
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One thing I don't understand is why you don't play this hand at all? Has
that opinion changed as part of your apology? If so, disregard what I'm
saying. But this hand seems like a very good starting hand, why would you
not play it? And if this is bad, what does a good hand look like?

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Paul Popinjay

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"Follow" <lamema...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> And if this is bad, what does a good hand look like?
>

7642
7632
7542
7532
7432

752
742
732
542
532
432


Beldin the Sorcerer

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Mar 8, 2010, 9:28:36 AM3/8/10
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Oh fuck you, Peepee.
My eyes work much better than yours.
You know what that porn does to you, son


K9way

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Mar 8, 2010, 9:45:08 AM3/8/10
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i tried to sell this in Tunica about how much better game any 1/2 blind
game would be if you had to go for 4 .. they had a look of deer caught in
the headlights


-Nothing personal, but you're full of shit. The only controversy is the
last building that went crumbling down on 9/11. While I personally find
that group ridiculous, you're out of your fucking mind if you're moving it
to the twin towers.

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Gary Carson

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On Mar 8 2010 8:45 AM, K9way wrote:

> On Mar 7 2010 7:42 PM, Gary Carson wrote:
>
> > On Mar 7 2010 5:49 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 7, 5:57�pm, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:64828ecb-bc5e-436b-892e-
> > > >
> > > > > In an unraised Big Blind situation, throwing the 6 is better than
> > > > > throwing the 7, correct?
> > > >
> > > > I see we have some nitpickers here looking to chink my armor. �Yes, of
> > > > course you are right, as was Man Beaten by Jacks when he posted also.
�As
> > an
> > > > aside, this scenario would probably only happen in smaller games, and I
> > > > cannot imagine the pot not being raise-opened most of the time in
bigger
> > > > games.
> > >
> > > I don't think I was in many unraised Big Blinds in the time I played
> > > it. But it does happen and what to draw to give yourself the best
> > > chance is something to think about.
> > >
> >
> > In the NL games at Artichoke Joes all of them required a raise bring-in
> > (1-1-2 blinds, 4 to go).
>
> i tried to sell this in Tunica about how much better game any 1/2 blind
> game would be if you had to go for 4 .. they had a look of deer caught in
> the headlights
>
>


They were spreading a 1/2, 5 to go NLHE game at Paradise, north of
Stillwater one night a week for a while, but it dried up. Tulsa had a
regular 1/2, 4 to go PLO game.

The five to go makes it officially a red chip game which tends to speed it
up enough to get in an extra couple of hands per hour.

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Will_gamble

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I think you should just take the Wisconsin excuse and run with it. "I was
just joking" or "I was just quoting (fill in your favorite comedian)"


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