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Hillary. Of the Hillary voters, they didn't vote for Sarah as a second
choice.
I was going to post this a few days ago when it came out, but forgot. I
hope Orangie doesn't already know about this poll.
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Interesting poll, but it doesn't say what you say it does.
Coming in second in a poll of who your favorite is does not mean you were
the second choice among voters. The poll didn't ask for a second choice.
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> Of all the Sarah voters, their second choice was a plurality for
> Hillary. Of the Hillary voters, they didn't vote for Sarah as a
> second
> choice.
>
> I was going to post this a few days ago when it came out, but
> forgot. I
> hope Orangie doesn't already know about this poll.
>
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drive pickup trucks, shoot squirrels (or anything that moves) and are
attracted to shiny objects.
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poll that weren't necessarily published in the final poll, and there was
a "second choice", etc.
He also said that Obamamama did quite poorly acrosss the board against
Hillary and Sarah Palin.
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strictly a "Who do you admire the most" poll, and the poll reflects the
first choices. The commentator merely gave the "behind the scenes"
tidbits info.
It demonstrates that Republicans are willing to give some credit,
removed from political considerations, but Democrats are haters to the
core who wouldn't give Sarah Palin credit if she discovered a cure for
cancer.
risky biz
That's nonsense, Travel. You keep pretending that Sarah Palin has some
compelling characteristics but she doesn't. If Clinton was matched against
a Republican woman who did have some compelling characteristics there
would have been some crossover for second choice among those who chose
Hillary first. From this, you should draw these conclusions:
1. You're seriously out of step on Sarah Palin.
2. Even those who chose Sarah Palin first don't have as strong an
opposition to abortion rights as their Republican male "supervisors".
My guess is that you don't find either of those conclusions palatable.
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Democrats.
Republicans and Independents who chose Sarah Palin, did give Hillary (a
Democrat) a second choice mention; suggesting a fairness of opinion
removed from partisan politics.
If the Independents chose Sarah Palin, it demonstrates compelling
reasons to choose her beyond partisan political considertations. Your
"no compelling reasons to choose Sarah Palin" was there. "Funny"
Democrats didn't didn't see it that way.
The fact that Democrats sharply differed from non partisan Independents,
gives my observation credibility. Your comments are based purely on left
wing bias.
But then, when you see a poll you don't like, you think that you're
smarter than "the people", don't you.
risky biz
> No, Sarah Palin's votes came from Independents and Republicans, but not
> Democrats.
>
> Republicans and Independents who chose Sarah Palin, did give Hillary (a
> Democrat) a second choice mention; suggesting a fairness of opinion
> removed from partisan politics.
>
> If the Independents chose Sarah Palin, it demonstrates compelling
> reasons to choose her beyond partisan political considertations. Your
> "no compelling reasons to choose Sarah Palin" was there. "Funny"
> Democrats didn't didn't see it that way.
The point is not what Democrats didn't do, the point is what Independents
did do. They gave their second choices to Oprah Winfrey, Michelle Obama,
and Queen Elizabeth. Maya Angelou, and Sonia Sotomayor, NOT Sarah Palin.
The point is what Republicans did do. They gave their second choices to
Hillary Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, Condoleeza Rice, and Michelle Obama, NOT
Sarah Palin.
"The women�s list is just as polarized: Clinton won among Democrats with
28 percent, followed by Michelle Obama (14 percent), Oprah Winfrey (13),
Maya Angelou (2), and Sonia Sotomayor (2).
Among independents, Palin and Clinton tied with 14 percent, followed by
Ms. Winfrey (8), Mrs. Obama (3), and Queen Elizabeth II (3).
Among Republicans, Palin rules with 34 percent, followed by Clinton (6),
Winfrey (4), Condeleezza Rice (3), and Obama (2)."
> The fact that Democrats sharply differed from non partisan Independents,
> gives my observation credibility. Your comments are based purely on left
> wing bias.
>
> But then, when you see a poll you don't like, you think that you're
> smarter than "the people", don't you.
I didn't say I didn't like the poll. I'm telling you that the poll isn't
what you think, or pretend, it is. Republicans and Independents don't mind
admiring pro-abortion rights women yet a crucial element of the Republican
Party is anti-abortionists. They can't win without them. The Republican
Party is doomed.
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Now you're making up your own bogus "facts" to support a losing bogus
argument. Specifically, about who voted for whom as a "second choice"
with regrd to Independents: the only inormation given about "second
choce" votes was passed along by me; I stated what a commentator said
about the underlying second choice of Republicans v. Democrats v.
Independents with regard to Sarah v. Hillary.
You're making-up, trying to say that Independents gave a second choice
to Hillary but not to Sarah. Not true. It was only the Democrats who
didn't give a second choice vote to Sarah. The Independent votes were
were split on Sarah and Hillary for first place votes and similar on
second choice.
It was only the Democrats.
Now you're making-up your own "second choice" stats and bogusly asigning
it to Independents, etc. That's not even a nice try, that's conceding
that your argument fell apart and you had to make something up in order
"come-back" with a rebuttal; however bogus.
Sarah and Hillary spilt the Independent vote; each getting 14%. If some
Independents voted for QE2, etc., then that was their first choice vote,
not their second choice/non-Sarah vote; anymore than it was a second
choice non-Hillary vote. Again, the published results were all first
place votes, and the second place votes -were not- factored into the
published results in any way. The "second choice" votes mentoned were
merely the internal -break-outs/"banners"; "on the side/beside the
point"; "details of "some interest."
I corrected a typo (below in my repost) of significance in meaning,
however obviously mistyped with regard to intent.
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I wrote:
No, Sarah Palin's (first place) votes came from Independents and
Republicans, but not Democrats.
Republicans and Independents who chose Sarah Palin, did give Hillary (a
Democrat) a second choice mention; suggesting a fairness of opinion
removed from partisan politics.
If the Independents chose Sarah Palin, it demonstrates compelling
reasons to choose her beyond partisan political considertations. Your
"no compelling reasons to choose Sarah Palin" was there. "Funny"
Democrats didn't didn't see it that way.
(Note: the "no compelling reasons to choose Saraha Palin was there"
line, immediately above, is a typo and should read
"wasn't there.")
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> Plus, do you have that $84 you owe me?
>
> http://blog.newsok.com/staticblog/files/2008/02/nocountryforoldmen2.jpg
You talkin' to me? I don't owe you $84. And your link doesn't work.
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> No, the point is exactly as I stated.
>
> Now you're making up your own bogus "facts" to support a losing bogus
> argument. Specifically, about who voted for whom as a "second choice"
> with regrd to Independents: the only inormation given about "second
> choce" votes was passed along by me; I stated what a commentator said
> about the underlying second choice of Republicans v. Democrats v.
> Independents with regard to Sarah v. Hillary.
I'll post this again. It's a quote directly from YOUR link:
"The women�s list is just as polarized: Clinton won among Democrats with
28 percent, followed by Michelle Obama (14 percent), Oprah Winfrey (13),
Maya Angelou (2), and Sonia Sotomayor (2).
Among independents, Palin and Clinton tied with 14 percent, followed by
Ms. Winfrey (8), Mrs. Obama (3), and Queen Elizabeth II (3).
Among Republicans, Palin rules with 34 percent, followed by Clinton (6),
Winfrey (4), Condeleezza Rice (3), and Obama (2)."
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