Was this a scam? (B&M story)
John A. Fish
was in the process of cashing out. I had two racks plus maybe 20 more
chips that I had brought loose to the window. As the cashier was
counting them out someone else came up to me and offered to buy my racks
from me directly showing a stack of 50 dollar bills. This person
appeared to be a player like me. I hesitated and looked at the clerk.
He kind of shrugged his shoulders and said it was up to me. It seemed
strange to me so I told the cashier that I needed twenties. He complied
of course and I took my money and left.
I was wondering if this might have been some kind of scam. It seems
kind of a low budget way to exchange counterfeit fifties but who knows?
What do you think? It just seemed odd. This person was only going
to save a few seconds by buying the chips from me. I should add that
this was only my fourth visit to a live poker room so I am not
particularly familiar with procedures.
Annie Adlin
This usually takes place at the table, but sometimes at the cashier if both are waiting in line.
Probably this was on the up and up, however if there is a problem or discrepancy
the Casino may not get involved to help you solve it (as it was a player to player transaction).
If you have a transaction error at a cashier window, at the table from the dealer rack or from a
chip runner, the Casino will check with surv camera's to help resolve it.
Susan
have a stack of $50 bills. Thats like eating peanuts at a carnival, or
wearing yellow at a circus.
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NeverMe
have most of the cage people at my local B&M trained now not to even
offer payment in 50s. Bad luck???? I dont know, but sure dont want to
chance it :)
danc...@yahoo.com
them too.
I remember a reading a story from some big event a few decades ago. A
photographer was selling large prints of photos taken for $50 each.
None of the players had any 50's and agreed it would be easier if the
prints cost $100.
John A. Fish
Tanya AKA MissT74
I try to avoid them myself as well, however at the Casino Royale cashier in St.
Maartins for the WPS, that's all they gave out...was $50 bills, the poker
players were NOT happy.
T
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flopdudead
i thought the $50 dollar bill fear was an Italian thing. Either way, anyone
know where the superstition comes from?
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> i thought the $50 dollar bill fear was an Italian thing. Either way,
> anyone
> know where the superstition comes from?
My understanding is just that a 50 is to easily mistaken for a 5, that is
it.
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> i thought the $50 dollar bill fear was an Italian thing. Either way, anyone
> know where the superstition comes from?
where most come from, stupid people.
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> in the process of cashing out. I had two racks plus maybe 20 more chips
> that I had brought loose to the window. As the cashier was counting them
> out someone else came up to me and offered to buy my racks from me
> directly showing a stack of 50 dollar bills. This person appeared to be a
> player like me. I hesitated and looked at the clerk. He kind of shrugged
> his shoulders and said it was up to me. It seemed strange to me so I told
> the cashier that I needed twenties. He complied of course and I took my
> money and left.
Something was up...the cashier was already counting the chips and this guy
interrupts the cashout? Makes no sense except he was desperate. Were you
the only one cashing out? Perhaps if you were the ONLY person with
"available" chips, perhaps it was the quantity, if it was a large amount
then I am more suspicious.
I have seen people take a check for chips...one woman in particular was
finally stopped.
Howard Beale
> I laughed too even though I didn't really get the joke.
50's are one of poker's superstitions.
It was almost certainly not a scam. He was trying to save time. OTOH,
there are counterfeit bills in circulation which is why the cage people
check them. You could've taken the bills and then had the cage check them
right away. I think this is more of a problem in B&M's that allow cash to
play. I wonder how much counterfeit money gets passed that way.
Howard Beale
alan
superstition...
Also, in NYC you NEVER offer a taxi driver a $2 bill....
Neil Schulman
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Will in New Haven
It was in _The Biggest Game in Town_ by Alvarez. And the photographer
was asking $75 and was running into people who only had $100 bills or
$100 chips, so he made the price an even hundred and increased
business.
Will in New Haven
Will in New Haven
There were, at one time, card rooms in California that would not take
them. I never saw this but it is attested by people I believe. Casinos
in general will take them but there is a lingering distaste for them in
the poker world. The cages in the poker room at Foxwoods will give you
a fifty if it is convenient for them but will always replace it if you
ask. They will take fifties for chips without comment.
Will in New Haven
Headhunter
Although it was most likely not a scam, apparently a regular at
Caesar's Indiana offered to buy a departing players $1000 chips (Pot
Limit Omaha game). He paid in $100 bills ... which had red ink on
them. The seller jokingly said, "what the hell did you do, rob a
bank?" And everyone laughed. The seller was a little uncomfortable,
and showed the bills to a banker friend of his. Banker friend calls
the FBI, and it turns out that these bills had in fact been part of a
bank robbery. It turns out that the regular had been robbing banks for
years, and this is how he got caught!
I can't verify the story, but that's what they told me at Caesar's, and
many of the regulars seemed to know the story.
--Headhunter
Susan
have to. The banks in Oceanside had to adjust once the cardrooms starting
booming.
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Aodhan
> many of the regulars seemed to know the story.
Apocryphal.
Aodhan
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John A. Fish wrote:
> This happened at the poker room of a major casino a few weeks ago. I
> was in the process of cashing out. I had two racks plus maybe 20 more
> chips that I had brought loose to the window. As the cashier was
> counting them out someone else came up to me and offered to buy my racks
> from me directly showing a stack of 50 dollar bills.
Sounds like a 'FISH' story to me. Here you state you have racks and he
has a stack of $50 bills, yet you want $20s? Does a stack mean $200? Or
do you want thousands in $20 bills?
Shark Georgiev
jpatk
Where did this take place? And are there any state regulations in
place to control compulsive gambling?
In the casinos in Kansas City, MO, there are such regulations, which
limit a person's buyins to a max amount per hour. Everyone has to sign
up for a casino card and present it to the cashier when buying in or
cashing out. Naturally, by buying your chips, this person would remain
outside this system.
John A. Fish
being able to pump your own gas (I call it the Full Employment Act for
Gas Station Attendants and I imagine that skilled Gas Station Attendants
and other members of the National Gas Station Attendants Union from all
across the nation come here to work in this Gas Station Attendants
paradise called Oregon) so I would not at all be surprised if they had
some kind of regulation like the one you mention. I mean they regulate
EVERYTHING here. You really don't want to know, trust me.
I have never been asked for any ID when I buy chips. The only time I
show my players cards is to the brush when I begin and end my session
and the reason I do it is for player points. Initial buys are handled
by the cashier and rebuys are usually handled at the table from my
experience. Since dealers change often, it would seem that this would
make it impossible for them to track rebuys but I could be wrong.
I was wondering if there might be some other motivations for players to
engage in private transactions instead of using the cashier (other than
running a scam). One possibility might be for tax reasons on large
transactions but I am only guessing. And it might be something like the
explanation you offer for all I know. However, in this case, the
cashier was aware of the offer and this makes your explanation unlikely
to me. Would he allow a private transaction like this knowing that it
was against a house rule?
Irish Mike
buy a rack of chips from you as you are going to the cage to cash out.
Happens all the time.
Irish Mike
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at any of the Grand Casinos in Minnesota. Here is the procedure I
recently witnessed:
New 2-10 and 2/4 games starting. No chip runners. One small cashier
window with 20 players lined up in front of it. For each rack
distributed, the cashier verrry sloowwlly did the following:
1. Pull a rack of chips.
2. Take one chip and tap each stack to ensure the complete 20 chips are
there.
3. Return chip to rack.
4. Remove one stack of 20 chips.
5. SLOWWWLLLYYYY divide the stack of 20 chips into three stacks of 5.
6. Slowly spread out the remaining 5 chips for the camera.
7. Do the "hand wave" for the camera.
8. Slowly count the chips in the following fashion: "OK. We have one,
two, three, four five. And ten, fifteen, twenty. And fourty, sixty,
eighty, one hundred."
9. Slowly collect the 20 chips laid out and place them back in the
rack.
10. Take one chip out and tap each stack of 20 to make sure there are
still twenty.
11. Return chip to rack.
12. Push rack to customer.
Repeat for EVERY. MOTHER. PISSING. RACK. OF. FREAKING. CHIPS.
FellKnight
> Repeat for EVERY. MOTHER. PISSING. RACK. OF. FREAKING. CHIPS.
Welcome to any casino I have ever been to. It is a regulation. If you
have a problem with the lineups, talk to the supervisor and suggest that
they get more cashiers on duty.
Fell
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FellKnight wrote:
> On May 24 2006 12:30 PM, danc55344 wrote:
>
> > Repeat for EVERY. MOTHER. PISSING. RACK. OF. FREAKING. CHIPS.
>
> Welcome to any casino I have ever been to. It is a regulation. If you
> have a problem with the lineups, talk to the supervisor and suggest that
> they get more cashiers on duty.
>
> Fell
LOL. You go tell them that. I've got better places to play.
DaveM
>Even the cashiers in CA cardrooms don't like to touch them, but of course
>have to. The banks in Oceanside had to adjust once the cardrooms starting
>booming.
As a visitor to the US, I wasn't aware of the superstition until I cashed a
VP ticket a few years ago and asked for largest bills. The drop-jawed
cashier said, "You want a FIFTY?". It was the last time I touched one.
DaveM
Randy Hudson
alan <mon...@aol.com> wrote:
> Also, in NYC you NEVER offer a taxi driver a $2 bill....
What else is he supposed to tip the strippers with?
Kenneth Sloan
> I have never heard of a superstition involving a 50 dollar bill.
Spoilsport. How can we *start* one if you insist on facts?
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