OT: Hungary torches 500 hectares of GM Corn

[popinjay999]

http://www.dailypaul.com/287021/hungary-torches-500-hectares-of-gm-corn-to-eradicate-gmos-from-food-supply

GM Genes are transferred to the DNA of your gut bacteria
The gene inserted into GM soy/corn transfers into the DNA of bacteria
living inside our intestines and continues to function, transforming
our intestinal bacteria into living pesticide factories, possibly for
the rest of our lives.

Famed Canadian geneticist David Suzuki answers, “The experiments
simply haven’t been done and we now have become the guinea pigs.” He
adds, “Anyone that says, ‘Oh, we know that this is perfectly safe,’ I
say is either unbelievably stupid or deliberately lying.”

[popinjay999]

>
> Famed Canadian geneticist David Suzuki answers, “The experiments
> simply haven’t been done and we now have become the guinea pigs.” He
> adds, “Anyone that says, ‘Oh, we know that this is perfectly safe,’ I
> say is either unbelievably stupid or deliberately lying.”

DID YOU HEAR THAT, HOLLIS?

"Deliberately lying, or UNBELIEVABLY STUPID"

[Hollis2]

Holy shit, I ate some GM corn syrup this morning. I asked my wife to cook
corn for dinner so I can eat two full GM ears for dinner. I also use
ketchup on my burgers which has more GM corn syrup in it. I'm doomed.

I laugh at people like David Suzuki. He's such a tool for the
environmentalist movement.

[da pickle]

I don't know, Paul ... he is Canadian and his Global Warming credentials
keep getting in his way. Maybe Al Gore might be a better source for
information.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 8, 10:39 am, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> Holy shit, I ate some GM corn syrup this morning.  I asked my wife to cook
> corn for dinner so I can eat two full GM ears for dinner.  I also use
> ketchup on my burgers which has more GM corn syrup in it.  I'm doomed.
>
> I laugh at people like David Suzuki.  He's such a tool for the
> environmentalist movement.

So we've got entire countries banning and destroying this stuff, and
all you can do is laugh and toss it off to some "environmental
whacko". I notice you did not address the issue described where the
genes transfer to and affect our intestinal bacteria. You are hardly
a very convincing advocate for this stuff. In fact, the more I read
from you, the more I think one would be well advised to go 180 degrees
from anything you have to say.

By the way, your story of how you are "doomed" from what you ate for
breakfast sounds very childish. It was childish.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 8, 10:45 am, da pickle <jcpick...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I don't know, Paul ... he is Canadian and his Global Warming credentials
> keep getting in his way.  Maybe Al Gore might be a better source for
> information.

I am very concerned about our food supply, just as I am concerned
about the pharma companies. There is something rotten with this
picture. Not everything the leftwing environmentalists say is wrong
just because they're on the left. I've heard Dennis Kuchinich say
things I agreed with. Some things are not black and white. I think
morality, right and wrong is black and white, but a lot of of issues
are complex. I don't trust this GM crops stuff.

[Hollis2]

On Jun 8 2013 1:53 PM, popinjay999 wrote:

> On Jun 8, 10:39 am, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> > Holy shit, I ate some GM corn syrup this morning.  I asked my wife to cook
> > corn for dinner so I can eat two full GM ears for dinner.  I also use
> > ketchup on my burgers which has more GM corn syrup in it.  I'm doomed.
> >
> > I laugh at people like David Suzuki.  He's such a tool for the
> > environmentalist movement.
>
>
>
> So we've got entire countries banning and destroying this stuff, and
> all you can do is laugh and toss it off to some "environmental
> whacko".

Hungary can do what it wants. GM corn is grown all over Europe.

>I notice you did not address the issue described where the
> genes transfer to and affect our intestinal bacteria.

Show me the original research to support this claim and I'll comment. A
paragraph from some anti-GM food site means nothing to me.

You are hardly
> a very convincing advocate for this stuff. In fact, the more I read
> from you, the more I think one would be well advised to go 180 degrees
> from anything you have to say.
>
> By the way, your story of how you are "doomed" from what you ate for
> breakfast sounds very childish. It was childish.

I've been eating GM food for almost twenty years. In the last decade, I
eaten one GM product or another several times every day. I don't know how
much pesticide I'm producing in my intestines, but it hasn't seemed to
bother me yet.

[Hollis2]

Suzuki seems to be a sincere guy, but the fact is that the research has
been done. Billions of people have been eating GM foods for over a decade
without any problems. If that isn't enough for him, then it's his problem.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 8, 6:16 pm, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> I've been eating GM food for almost twenty years.  In the last decade, I
> eaten one GM product or another several times every day.  I don't know how
> much pesticide I'm producing in my intestines, but it hasn't seemed to
> bother me yet.

Nice indication of your dishonesty. The implication was that it's
making your intestines resistant to good bacteria. You say you have
been eating it for 20 years, but I'm pretty sure you're not much older
than 20. Even so, if you think it's safe to modify the function of
your digestive system, you may regret that belief when your are 40-
ish, and things start to catch up. You're cocky, Hollis, and that's a
sign of a fool.

[risky biz]

I think Hollis transcends the arbitrary segrrgation of those two
characteristics.That is to say- he is deliberately lying AND he's
unbelievably stupid.

[Pepe Papon]

I just noticed that my 100% natural protein powder contains GM soy
oil. Maybe I should feel good knowing that my stomach will never
become infested with aphids.
--

Pepe Papon

[TruthSeeker]

When there is something new that people don't understand, many people
fear it. When in involves something like the food we eat, that fear
becomes paranoia is some folks.

Humans have been consuming genetically modified foods for centuries now:
grafting, "hybrid corn," etc. The new GM foods are more sophisticated
in the methods of manipulating the genes. Now a lot of people don't
understand genetics, and they've grown up with horror movies featuring
genetic mutations, so they fear it.

Personally, I'm happy that GM foods are helping us to be able to feed
our over-population, although nature will take its course if we continue
to over-populate the planet. At least it's given us a reprieve. I
don't mind eating GM foods at all.

But then, I didn't mind living downwind of a nuclear power plant. That
didn't hurt me either.



--
TruthSeeker

"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."

[Clave]

"TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message
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<...>

> But then, I didn't mind living downwind of a nuclear power plant. That
> didn't hurt me either.

How nice that yours didn't break.

Jim

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 1:18 am, TruthSeeker <TruthSee...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:

>
> Personally, I'm happy that GM foods are helping us to be able to feed
> our over-population, although nature will take its course if we continue
> to over-populate the planet.  At least it's given us a reprieve.
>

I call bullshit. The urban areas are over-populated, but the globe is
not. And the only reason there is starvation in Africa is because the
governments want to control people by creating food shortages. There
is a shortage of food, but there is an over abundance of socialism.
Free enterprise could feed the world, and it could do so organically
also. I'm quickly figuring out, Joe, that you're a dummy.

[Dutch]

How could free enterprise feed people who have no money, and why?

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:86303a05-da00-41d6...@qz2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 9, 1:18 am, TruthSeeker <TruthSee...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:
>
>>
>> Personally, I'm happy that GM foods are helping us to be able to feed
>> our over-population, although nature will take its course if we continue
>> to over-populate the planet. At least it's given us a reprieve.
>>
>
>
>
> I call bullshit. The urban areas are over-populated, but the globe is
> not. And the only reason there is starvation in Africa is because the

> governments want to control people by creating food shortages...

Holy shit, what an asshole.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 2:21 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

Fuck you, Clave, I am absolutely correct. There are food shortages in
Africa because there is no profit motive. It could happen in this
country too. Notice that there is an abundance of food in South
Africa. And there was once too in Rhodesia, until it went commie, and
now they starve. That's a fact, and just common sense, common sense
that you as a brainwashed liberal does not have. Go fuck yourself.
You're so lucky you were born in this country.

And we are NOT over populated, fuckface. Anyone flying in an airplane
can see that.

You're the asshole.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 2:14 am, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

>
> How could free enterprise feed people who have no money, and why?

Oh for fuck's sake. Remedial. Why do you suppose there is an
abundance of food in the United States and Canada? And why do you
suppose there is no food in Zimbabwe?

Don't you know that the Ukraine was once the breadbasket of Europe?
That is, until SOCIALISM starved 20 MILLION.

If there is no profit motive, farmers don't farm. duh

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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> On Jun 9, 2:21 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:86303a05-da00-41d6...@qz2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 9, 1:18 am, TruthSeeker <TruthSee...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:
>>
>> >> Personally, I'm happy that GM foods are helping us to be able to feed
>> >> our over-population, although nature will take its course if we
>> >> continue
>> >> to over-populate the planet. At least it's given us a reprieve.
>>
>> > I call bullshit. The urban areas are over-populated, but the globe is
>> > not. And the only reason there is starvation in Africa is because the
>> > governments want to control people by creating food shortages...
>>
>> Holy shit, what an asshole.
>
> Fuck you, Clave, I am absolutely correct.

Which of the African governments do you think are in on this conspiracy, and
upon what real data do you base your horseshit opinion?

Jim

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 2:33 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:

>
> Which of the African governments do you think are in on this conspiracy, and
> upon what real data do you base your horseshit opinion?
>
> Jim

I didn't imply a conspiracy, fuckface. It's basic economics. Why is
there an abundance of food in South Africa? Because of free
enterprise, dumbass, don't you know anything? Why is there starvation
in Zimbabwe? Why is there starvation in Ethiopia? I'll tell you one
thing, the SOLDIERS there are fat!

Don't you know what happened in Ukraine? Gosh, you are surprisingly
ignorant.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:57647e98-9c93-41cd...@a15g2000pbu.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 9, 2:33 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Which of the African governments do you think are in on this conspiracy,
>> and
>> upon what real data do you base your horseshit opinion?
>>
>> Jim
>
>

> I didn't imply a conspiracy, fuckface. It's basic economics....

That's pretty fucking sad.

[ramashiva]

On Sunday, June 9, 2013 12:24:50 AM UTC-7, Pepe Papon wrote:

> I just noticed that my 100% natural protein powder contains GM soy
> oil. Maybe I should feel good knowing that my stomach will never
> become infested with aphids.

Try any of the Nature's Life Pro-96 soy protein powders. Label specifically states that it is made from non-GMO soybeans, with no sugar, no dairy, no gluten, no sugar, no artificial flavors or sweeteners.

Here's the one I use --

http://www.amazon.com/Natures-Life-Delicious-Vanilla-Container/dp/B0046HJX42/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top


William Coleman (ramashiva)

[VegasJerry]

On Sunday, June 9, 2013 2:31:20 AM UTC-7, popinjay999 wrote:
> On Jun 9, 2:14 am, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > How could free enterprise feed people who have no money, and why?
>
>
> Oh for fuck's sake. Remedial. Why do you suppose there is an
> abundance of food in the United States and Canada? And why do you
> suppose there is no food in Zimbabwe?
>
> Don't you know that the Ukraine was once the breadbasket of Europe?
> That is, until SOCIALISM starved 20 MILLION.

.
.> If there is no profit motive, farmers don't farm. Duh

So why the Farm Bill? Why are we giving tax money to farm corporations?

Jerry 'n Vegas

[da pickle]

People ate before money. People today eat that have no money.

haven't you seen the guy on the corner? The sign reads" "Will work for
food" ... of course, he just wants some money for beer. Sometimes
people use words for a different meaning than you might think. Who knew?

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 6:05 am, VegasJerry <jerr...@cox.net> wrote:

>
> So why the Farm Bill? Why are we giving tax money to farm corporations?
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas

Because FDR was a fucking communist and there's still the same mindset
in our government. We're not supposed to be giving welfare to
farmers. That's what America is supposed to be about, you can make it
or break it. Farming is a big gamble, or should be. Mother nature
wipes you out, then you lose. But in good years you should get to buy
a new Mercedes. That's why there is plenty of food in America,
because farmers can work hard and get rich.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 4:48 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

What's pretty sad is that you don't know why there is starvation in
Africa. I bet you think it's because of drought. You're a fucking
dope. You know computers, but you don't know what happened in
Ukraine. Idiot.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 6:09 am, da pickle <jcpick...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> > How could free enterprise feed people who have no money, and why?
>
> People ate before money.  People today eat that have no money.
>
> haven't you seen the guy on the corner?  The sign reads"  "Will work for
> food" ... of course, he just wants some money for beer.  Sometimes
> people use words for a different meaning than you might think.  Who knew?

This is the most pathetic display of basic ignorance I've ever seen on
RGP. Dutch and Clave, presumably grown men, don't understand BASIC
Food 101. Neither one of them knows the history of Ukraine or
Zimbabwe, or why there were rock concerts for the starving Ethiopian
children back in the 80s-90s. The commercials with the little
children with bellies swollen and flies buzzing around them. But the
SOLDIERS WERE FAT! And the statue of Lenin in Addis Ababa.

[brattt]

On Jun 9 2013 12:34 PM, popinjay999 wrote:


> What's pretty sad is that you don't know why there is starvation in
> Africa. I bet you think it's because of drought. You're a fucking
> dope. You know computers, but you don't know what happened in
> Ukraine. Idiot.

Here's an interesting article on it


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4662232.stm

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:b7c0c60e-972f-45c0...@g5g2000pbp.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 9, 4:48 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:57647e98-9c93-41cd...@a15g2000pbu.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 9, 2:33 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Which of the African governments do you think are in on this
>> >> conspiracy,
>> >> and
>> >> upon what real data do you base your horseshit opinion?
>>
>> >> Jim
>>
>> > I didn't imply a conspiracy, fuckface. It's basic economics....
>>
>> That's pretty fucking sad.
>
>
> What's pretty sad is that you don't know why there is starvation in

> Africa. I bet you think it's because of drought...

Again, which African governments are in on it, and where are you getting
your "data"?

Dance for me some more, puppet.

Jim

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:a127160c-5f02-4e14...@v5g2000pbv.googlegroups.com...

> On Jun 9, 2:21 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:86303a05-da00-41d6...@qz2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 9, 1:18 am, TruthSeeker <TruthSee...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:
>>
>> >> Personally, I'm happy that GM foods are helping us to be able to feed
>> >> our over-population, although nature will take its course if we
>> >> continue
>> >> to over-populate the planet. At least it's given us a reprieve.
>>
>> > I call bullshit. The urban areas are over-populated, but the globe is
>> > not. And the only reason there is starvation in Africa is because the
>> > governments want to control people by creating food shortages...
>>
>> Holy shit, what an asshole.
>
>
>
> Fuck you, Clave, I am absolutely correct. There are food shortages in

> Africa because there is no profit motive....

LOL -- and no other reasons, got it.

Jim

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 11:22 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:

>
> Again, which African governments are in on it, and where are you getting
> your "data"?
>

At least 52 countries on the continent and almost everyone of them is
socialist. You are surprisingly ignorant. Why are there food
shortages in socialist countries? What? You don't know? I guess
you're not as smart as you think you are.

[Hollis2]

Do you actually think I believe that crap about my intestines making
insecticide?

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 11:25 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:

>
> -- and no other reasons, got it.
>
> Jim

That's right, fuckface, no profit motive. That is the reason. Not
weather. Not soil. Not water. TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT! I'm sorry, but
you're the one opening your big fat mouth and showing how basically
ignorant you are. It wasn't me trying to make you look stupid, you
have done it all by yourself.

By the way, good sidestepping on the Ukraine issue. You don't even
know about it. If you did, you would have tried arguing about it.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 11:49 am, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> Do you actually think I believe that crap about my intestines making
> insecticide?

Resorting to non-substantive remarks like that is a universal sign
that you're quickly losing the debate.

[da pickle]

He knows ... you are claving.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 12:18 pm, da pickle <jcpick...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> He knows ... you are claving.

No, I don't think he does know. Clave is the kind of guy who thinks
Fox is rightwing and the rest of the press is neutral. I don't think
he does know about Ukraine. If he knows anything about it it's
probably a version of revised history he has heard on NPR or Pacifica
Radio. I don't think Clave's apparent ignorance is an act. Too much
stalling. Don't forget, that I'm pretty perceptive when it comes to
reading peoples' mindset. Especially those on the left. I know these
people. I know them well.

And by the way, seriously, who do you think is controlling who? Am I
Claving? Or is he Popinjaying? I work this boy. He is my personal
finger puppet.

[da pickle]

You likely are correct. And you are the one that should know ... with
your fist up his butt and all. I am glad that you followed Follow's
advice and always wear double gloves. [And make him douche first.]

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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> On Jun 9, 11:25 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> -- and no other reasons, got it.
>>
>> Jim
>
>
>
> That's right, fuckface, no profit motive. That is the reason. Not
> weather. Not soil. Not water. TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT!

Jesus Christ, sometimes I think you're really stupid enough to believe what
you say.

Jim

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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> On Jun 9, 12:18 pm, da pickle <jcpick...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> He knows ... you are claving.
>
>
> No, I don't think he does know. Clave is the kind of guy who thinks

> Fox is rightwing and the rest of the press is neutral...

LOL -- you don't read *anyone's* mind very well.

Jim

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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> On Jun 9, 11:22 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Again, which African governments are in on it, and where are you getting
>> your "data"?
>>
>
>
> At least 52 countries on the continent and almost everyone of them is
> socialist. You are surprisingly ignorant. Why are there food
> shortages in socialist countries?

It must be nice to live in such a simple world. In mine it happens for all
kinds of reasons, INCLUDING scarcity of local resources.

Jim

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 2:00 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

I doubt if you can name an African country that isn't socialist. Is
there a country on that continent where you think an individual can
start a company and FARM? Because that's why there is an abundance of
food here, you ignorant fuck.

By the way, don't list South Africa, I already listed that as an
exception. Although, I don't hold much hope for their future.

You really are an ignorant fuck, ignorant of BASICS!

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 2:00 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:

>

> LOL -- you don't read *anyone's* mind very well.
>

I know where you're coming from, fuckface, I guarantee it.

[popinjay999]

On Jun 9, 2:06 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:

>
> It must be nice to live in such a simple world.  In mine it happens for all
> kinds of reasons, INCLUDING scarcity of local resources.
>
> Jim

There's scarcity of local resources HERE, you dumb fuck, but trucks
take food from the farms to all destinations in our country. Los
Angeles is a fucking DESERT! Why is there water there? You are
stupid, Clave. You really are. Why was there famine in Ethiopia in
the 80s/90s/? You can't answer that. You won't answer it. You
either don't know, or you're too big of a pussy to answer it.

Your failure to answer my question about Ethiopia is tantamount to a
concession.

Btw, LOL @ "scarcity of local resources". What a fucking dope.
rotflmao!

[Pepe Papon]

On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 02:18:40 -0600, TruthSeeker
<Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:

>Personally, I'm happy that GM foods are helping us to be able to feed
>our over-population, although nature will take its course if we continue
>to over-populate the planet. At least it's given us a reprieve. I

>don't mind eating GM foods at all.

FIne, but Monsanto et al are throwing lots of money around to ensure
that consumers don't know what they're eating. Why not make the
information available and let the market decide?
--

Pepe Papon

[Pepe Papon]

What do they taste like? When I first tried protein powder, the sales
person sold me on plant protein, and the stuff tasted like dog poo.
Next, I tried a powder that combined protein from a variety of
sources, and the taste was even worse.

I've tried a few different whey proteins, and the tastes have ranged
from pretty good to delicious. The one I'm currently using, Dymatize
100% natural, tastes good enough to drink as a treat. Must be due to
that wonderful GM soy oil.
--

Pepe Papon

[mo_ntresor]

On Jun 9 2013 4:47 PM, popinjay999 wrote:

> I doubt if you can name an African country that isn't socialist. Is
> there a country on that continent where you think an individual can
> start a company and FARM? Because that's why there is an abundance of
> food here, you ignorant fuck.
>
> By the way, don't list South Africa, I already listed that as an
> exception. Although, I don't hold much hope for their future.
>
> You really are an ignorant fuck, ignorant of BASICS!

paul, please stop humiliating clam.

mo_ntresor

[mo_ntresor]

On Jun 8 2013 7:16 PM, Hollis2 wrote:

> I've been eating GM food for almost twenty years. In the last decade, I
> eaten one GM product or another several times every day. I don't know how
> much pesticide I'm producing in my intestines, but it hasn't seemed to
> bother me yet.

lol

WHACK!!!

mo_ntresor

[ramashiva]

On Sunday, June 9, 2013 11:56:09 PM UTC-7, Pepe Papon wrote:

> What do they taste like? When I first tried protein powder, the sales
> person sold me on plant protein, and the stuff tasted like dog poo.
> Next, I tried a powder that combined protein from a variety of
> sources, and the taste was even worse.

I blenderize the protein powder with freshly squeezed orange juice and lecithin granules, so I can't really comment on the taste of the protein powder, but the resulting concoction is pleasant enough. The Green flavor that I use is flavored with vanilla and several natural sweeteners, and contains all sorts of green stuff like Spirulina, broccoli, and spinach. Here is the ingredients list --

Clean Soy™ (soy protein isolate, non-GMO, identity preserved and partially hydrolyzed), Proprietary Greens and Enzyme Blend (broccoli powder, spinach leaf, barley grass, kale, organic wheat juice, broken cell chlorella, organic spirulina, chlorophyll, artichoke, blue green algae, papain, Bromelain and Bean Shield™ Proprietary Blend (alpha galactosidase, alpha amalyase, amalyase and phytase), natural sweeteners (erythritol, maltitol, xylitol and maltodextrin), organic vanilla flavor with other natural flavors, gum blend (stabilizer) and silica.

If you want more of a fruity flavor, you could include some berries, like strawberries and blueberries, or you could try the Blue or Red flavors, which contain various berries instead of all the green stuff.

> I've tried a few different whey proteins, and the tastes have ranged
> from pretty good to delicious. The one I'm currently using, Dymatize
> 100% natural, tastes good enough to drink as a treat. Must be due to
> that wonderful GM soy oil.

I like the idea of a protein powder with no animal products. I don't know enough to comment on the relative merits of whey protein versus soy protein. This guy thinks soy protein is superior --

http://www.timinvermont.com/fitness/soyvswhy.htm


William Coleman (ramashiva)

[VegasJerry]

On Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:31:16 AM UTC-7, popinjay999 wrote:
> On Jun 9, 6:05 am, VegasJerry <jerr...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > So why the Farm Bill? Why are we giving tax money to farm corporations?
> >
> > Jerry 'n Vegas

.
.> Because FDR was a fucking communist and there's still the same mindset
> in our government.

Corporate Republican, you dip-stick.

> We're not supposed to be giving welfare to farmers.
. That's what America is supposed to be about, you can make it
> or break it. Farming is a big gamble, or should be. Mother nature
> wipes you out, then you lose. But in good years you should get to buy
> a new Mercedes.

> That's why there is plenty of food in America,
> because farmers can work hard and get rich.

Or be subsidized, price-supported, engage in monopoly, price fixing or just get paid to not grow anything. How's those cotton allotments doing?


Jerry 'n Vegas

[Hollis2]

There has to actually be a reason to label a food product.

[VegasJerry]

On Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:40:45 AM UTC-7, popinjay999 wrote:
> On Jun 9, 6:09 am, da pickle <jcpick...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > How could free enterprise feed people who have no money, and why?
> >
> > People ate before money. People today eat that have no money.
> >
> > haven't you seen the guy on the corner? The sign reads" "Will work for
> > food" ... of course, he just wants some money for beer. Sometimes
> > people use words for a different meaning than you might think. Who knew?

.
.> This is the most pathetic display of basic ignorance I've ever seen on

> RGP. Dutch and Clave, presumably grown men, don't understand BASIC
> Food 101. Neither one of them knows the history of Ukraine or
> Zimbabwe, or why there were rock concerts for the starving Ethiopian
> children back in the 80s-90s.

My wife's family does. Sitting in their home, in Angola, on the ranch, when soldiers busted in the front door, pointed their rifles at the couple and told them to "Get out!" He thought of reaching for his sweater, but changed his mind and they walked straight out the door, down the road, and never looked back. They took the first boat to America.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[popinjay999]

On Jun 10, 11:43 am, VegasJerry <jerr...@cox.net> wrote:

>
> My wife's family does. Sitting in their home, in Angola, on the ranch, when soldiers busted in the front door, pointed their rifles at the couple and told them to "Get out!" He thought of reaching for his sweater, but changed his mind and they walked straight out the door, down the road, and never looked back. They took the first boat to America.
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas

How long had they been there, all their lives? Portuguese?

[Pepe Papon]

Now, you're just playing dumb.
--

Pepe Papon

[Pepe Papon]

Interesting. I use whey isolate. Never heard of soy isolate before.
--

Pepe Papon

[Pepe Papon]

I just did a Google search on soy protein isolate to check pricing,
but the first two things that came up were health warnings to avoid
the stuff:

http://www.wellandgoodnyc.com/2012/09/27/should-you-avoid-soy-protein-isolate/

and

http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm
--

Pepe Papon

[popinjay999]

On Jun 10, 11:30 pm, Pepe Papon <hitmeis...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>
> I just did a Google search on soy protein isolate to check pricing,
> but the first two things that came up were health warnings to avoid
> the stuff:
>

> http://www.wellandgoodnyc.com/2012/09/27/should-you-avoid-soy-protein...

>
> and
>
> http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm
> --
>
> Pepe Papon

Interesting articles. For a while I was eating tofu, now I ain't so
sure. I like tofu.

By the way, I started drinking almond milk several months ago. I like
it. Pretty much off dairy, except for some string cheese.

[da pickle]

Is there a government health warning label on it?

[johnny_t]

On 6/9/13 6:05 AM, VegasJerry wrote:

>
> So why the Farm Bill? Why are we giving tax money to farm corporations?

Because Capitalism works best when supplies nearly meets demand. In
commodity markets if supplies exceed demands, markets collapse, and many
people go broke. Then there are periods of too little supply and the
price goes dramatically up, causing all sorts of economic issues and
indeed hunger issues.

As a society, we pay the agricultural portion of our society, money to
create too much food for demand. We then control the market by giving a
large chunk of the excess to the poor, foreign countries, other sectors,
or simply destroy it. This keeps the markets stable price wise and
provide an ample food supply. This keeps the other large percentage of
the population from having to worry about food problems and allow them
the time and effort to grow the economy in non-agricultural fashions.

As a society this has been an incredible success. In the absence of
problems people go, but but, our tax dollars... There is absolutely no
reason to believe that we would not go back to century old problems of
the cyclic agricultural problems caused by trying to otherwise "time"
the market. There is no doubt that people will try to game this, this
indeed is the nature of capitalism. But the benefits hugely outweigh
the downside, especially the downside of dealing with the gaming.

--
________________________________________________________________
RGP is not a good
representative cross section of the nation.
Popinjay Aug 24,2012

[Hollis2]

What reason is there to label GM food?

[popinjay999]

On Jun 11, 8:25 am, johnny_t <nobod...@home.com> wrote:

>
> Because Capitalism works best when supplies nearly meets demand.  In
> commodity markets if supplies exceed demands, markets collapse, and many
> people go broke.   Then there are periods of too little supply and the
> price goes dramatically up, causing all sorts of economic issues and
> indeed hunger issues.
>
> As a society, we pay the agricultural portion of our society, money to
> create too much food for demand.  We then control the market by giving a
> large chunk of the excess to the poor, foreign countries, other sectors,
> or simply destroy it.   This keeps the markets stable price wise and
> provide an ample food supply.   This keeps the other large percentage of
> the population from having to worry about food problems and allow them
> the time and effort to grow the economy in non-agricultural fashions.
>
> As a society this has been an incredible success.  In the absence of
> problems people go, but but, our tax dollars...   There is absolutely no
> reason to believe that we would not go back to century old problems of
> the cyclic agricultural problems caused by trying to otherwise "time"
> the market.  There is no doubt that people will try to game this, this
> indeed is the nature of capitalism.   But the benefits hugely outweigh
> the downside, especially the downside of dealing with the gaming.
>

Fucking idiot!

[Pepe Papon]

On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:45:29 -0700, "Hollis2"

How can you ask this question after reading all the posts in this
thread?
--

Pepe Papon

[johnny_t]

On 6/11/13 10:05 AM, popinjay999 wrote:

>
> Fucking idiot!
>

Nice insight. Too bad it's true, and it has been generally working as
intended.

[Pepe Papon]

Coincidentally, I also discovered almond milk a few months back. Love
it on my cereal.

I eat quite a bit of low-fat yogurt and low-fat cottage cheese. These
were both recommended by my doctor.

BTW, since I started my fitness program, I've lost 55 lbs. You
shoulda clicked on the link I gave you. I had high blood pressure,
high cholesterol, and was pre-diabetic. Not anymore.
--

Pepe Papon

[ramashiva]

On Monday, June 10, 2013 11:30:32 PM UTC-7, Pepe Papon wrote:

> I just did a Google search on soy protein isolate to check pricing,
> but the first two things that came up were health warnings to avoid
> the stuff:

> http://www.wellandgoodnyc.com/2012/09/27/should-you-avoid-soy-protein-isolate/

> and

> http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

The price of the Dymatize whey protein powder and the Nature's Life soy protein powder are about the same per pound on Amazon. The Dymatize product contains a little more protein per gram than the Nature's life product, so the Dymatize product is a little cheaper.

If you look at the Dymatize label, I think you will see that whey protein concentrate is the second listed ingredient, so you are not getting pure whey protein isolate. See my previous cite for the difference between isolate and concentrate.

I don't find your second cite at all credible. The authors, Sally Fallon & Mary G. Enig, are the cofounders of the Weston A. Price Foundation. First of all, this foundation is funded by the meat industry. Second of all, if you look at the foundation's website, you will see that they advocate eating a lot of beef and dairy products, including milk and butter.

I'm sorry, but I am not interested in advice from nutritionists who advocate consuming a lot of beef, milk, and butter. If you look at the website, you will see a lot of articles trashing soy products, and extolling the virtues of a diet high in saturated animal fats.

Here are a couple of articles about the Weston A. Price Foundation --

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/11/reflections-on-the-weston-a-price-foundation.html

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2010/07/the-truth-about-the-weston-price-foundation.html

I found this quote from the first cite telling --

"I regret to say that those running the Weston A. Price Foundation today seem to have their own agenda. They are proponents of the philosophy that in order to be healthy, people must eat large amounts of saturated fat from animal products. They insist that only with the regular consumption of lard, butter and other full-fat dairy products, and beef, can people derive the nutrients they need to be healthy.

Toward that end, the Foundation has widely publicized an article written by a former member of the Foundation's Board of Directors, Stephen Byrnes, titled "The Myths of Vegetarianism."

The article is harshly critical of vegetarian diets, and concludes with an "About the Author" section which states: "Stephen Byrnes... enjoys robust health on a diet that includes butter, cream, eggs, meat, whole milk, dairy products and offal." In fact, Stephen Byrnes suffered a fatal stroke in June, 2004. According to reports of his death, he had yet to reach his 40th birthday.

Here is the Wikipedia article on the Weston A. Price Foundation --

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A._Price_Foundation

Here is a very detailed rebuttal of the Fallon and Enig article you cited --

http://www.johnrobbins.info/what-about-soy/

Soy protein is a high quality protein, and it is the most complete plant-based protein, as far as I know. As pointed out in the cite in my first comment, soy protein contains much higher levels of two key amino acids than whey protein -- glutamine and ornithine.

Besides soy protein powder, I also use soy-based lecithin, soy milk, and soy-based veggieburgers. It's pretty tough to get enough protein on a vegetarian diet without soy. I do eat cheese and eggs, but I wish I could quit cheese. It's just so yummy. I have tried soy-based cheese, and it's not an acceptable substitute.

I suggest you do some more research on the subject. Don't base your decision on information from "nutritionists" who advocate consuming large amounts of saturated animal fat. It seems obvious to me that soy milk is preferable to cow's milk, and that Smart Balance is preferable to butter.


William Coleman (ramashiva)

[da pickle]

Why can no one answer the question?

You, Pepe, seem to agree that GM foods are dangerous and should be
labeled. If GM foods are not dangerous but the current hype might lead
folks to not want them if they were labeled ... it would seem in
Monsanto's best interest in continuing to lobby for no label.

Those in charge of making the determination that some food is dangerous
to need a label or a warning has decided GM foods do not meet those
standards. Usually, those folks are "on your side" and demand all sorts
of labels that seem silly in retrospect. This time, they are not on
your side ... now you want something else. Interesting.

There are those that believe vaccinations for children are dangerous.
Are you one of them?

Lawnmowers ... "Keep hands and feet from under mower while blades are
turning" ...

[Hollis2]

I've read the posts and I don't see any reason to label GM foods.

[Pepe Papon]

On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 11:30:45 -0700, "Hollis2"

I'm sorry you're having this problem.
--

Pepe Papon

[VegasJerry]

Yes.

[VegasJerry]

On Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:25:32 AM UTC-7, johnny_t wrote:
> On 6/9/13 6:05 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> >
> > So why the Farm Bill? Why are we giving tax money to farm corporations?

> Because Capitalism works best when supplies nearly meets demand.

But when it doesn't, forget capitalism and give them tax dollars.

That was my point.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[da pickle]

On 6/13/2013 1:30 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>>>> What reason is there to label GM food?
>>>
>>> How can you ask this question after reading all the posts in this
>>> thread?
>>> --
>>>
>>> Pepe Papon
>>
>> I've read the posts and I don't see any reason to label GM foods.
>
> I'm sorry you're having this problem.
> --
>
> Pepe Papon

Brilliant! Almost deserving of a report.

[TruthSeeker]

On 9/6/13 2:22 AM, Clave wrote:
> "TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message
> news:uNWdnZQsGJz8pynM...@giganews.com...
>
> <...>
>
>> But then, I didn't mind living downwind of a nuclear power plant. That
>> didn't hurt me either.
>
> How nice that yours didn't break.

Ah, but it did. The Brown's Ferry fire, a near meltdown and at that
time the worst nuclear power plant accident in U.S. history. Hyped by
the press as usual but in the end no one got hurt.

It did expose some really stupid design flaws and practices. First,
putting the primary and backup control cables in the same conduits.
Then testing for firewall leaks at the conduits with a burning candle.
The insulation caught fire, the fire went up into the conduits, and both
the primary and backup controls were hosed.



--
TruthSeeker

"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."

[Clave]

"TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message

news:xumdnc3HOrXLBSfM...@giganews.com...

I'm sure the people around Kiev and Middletown, PA find your anecdote very
comforting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reactor_accidents_in_the_United_States

Jim

[Clave]

"TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message

news:xumdnc3HOrXLBSfM...@giganews.com...

I'm sure the people around Chernobyl and Fukushima find your personal
comfort anecdote very
comforting themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reactor_accidents_in_the_United_States

Jim

[Pepe Papon]

On Thu, 13 Jun 2013 22:13:09 -0600, TruthSeeker
<Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:

>On 9/6/13 2:22 AM, Clave wrote:
>> "TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message
>> news:uNWdnZQsGJz8pynM...@giganews.com...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> But then, I didn't mind living downwind of a nuclear power plant. That
>>> didn't hurt me either.
>>
>> How nice that yours didn't break.
>
>Ah, but it did. The Brown's Ferry fire, a near meltdown and at that
>time the worst nuclear power plant accident in U.S. history. Hyped by
>the press as usual but in the end no one got hurt.
>
>It did expose some really stupid design flaws and practices.

And that's exactly the point. Human error or unplanned for events
are is always going to be possibilities
--

Pepe Papon

[TruthSeeker]

On 13/6/13 10:25 PM, Clave wrote:
> "TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message
> news:xumdnc3HOrXLBSfM...@giganews.com...
>> On 9/6/13 2:22 AM, Clave wrote:
>>> "TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message
>>> news:uNWdnZQsGJz8pynM...@giganews.com...
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>> But then, I didn't mind living downwind of a nuclear power plant. That
>>>> didn't hurt me either.
>>>
>>> How nice that yours didn't break.
>>
>> Ah, but it did. The Brown's Ferry fire, a near meltdown and at that
>> time the worst nuclear power plant accident in U.S. history. Hyped by
>> the press as usual but in the end no one got hurt.
>>
>> It did expose some really stupid design flaws and practices. First,
>> putting the primary and backup control cables in the same conduits.
>> Then testing for firewall leaks at the conduits with a burning candle.
>> The insulation caught fire, the fire went up into the conduits, and both
>> the primary and backup controls were hosed.
>
> I'm sure the people around Kiev and Middletown, PA find your anecdote very
> comforting.

No one was killed or even seriously injured in PA. The Kiev reactor was
built and operated under socialism, using that accident to criticize
private-sector plants in the West is ridiculous.

I would a whole lot prefer to live near a nuclear plant than in
sight/sound of a wind farm.

[TruthSeeker]

Of course they are. No rational person claims nuclear power is 100%
safe. Nothing built by man is. The irrational fear of nuclear power
has kept coal in business, killing thousands of people every year due to
the air pollution and adding carbon to our atmosphere -- a pretty lousy
tradeoff.

People point to fukishima, where the decision to build on a tsunami-risk
coast proved costly -- but a cost still dwarfed by the other costs
(human and material) of the tsunami.

IMO anyone who truly cares for the environment, the planet, and the
population will enthusiastically support nuclear power. It's the
short-sighted emotional reactions that have held it back, with all the
resulting pollution and carbon loads.

[Clave]

"TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message

news:VemdnSBxgoxpXibM...@giganews.com...

> On 13/6/13 10:25 PM, Clave wrote:
>> "TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message
>> news:xumdnc3HOrXLBSfM...@giganews.com...
>>> On 9/6/13 2:22 AM, Clave wrote:
>>>> "TruthSeeker" <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote in message
>>>> news:uNWdnZQsGJz8pynM...@giganews.com...
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>> But then, I didn't mind living downwind of a nuclear power plant.
>>>>> That
>>>>> didn't hurt me either.
>>>>
>>>> How nice that yours didn't break.
>>>
>>> Ah, but it did. The Brown's Ferry fire, a near meltdown and at that
>>> time the worst nuclear power plant accident in U.S. history. Hyped by
>>> the press as usual but in the end no one got hurt.
>>>
>>> It did expose some really stupid design flaws and practices. First,
>>> putting the primary and backup control cables in the same conduits.
>>> Then testing for firewall leaks at the conduits with a burning candle.
>>> The insulation caught fire, the fire went up into the conduits, and both
>>> the primary and backup controls were hosed.
>>
>> I'm sure the people around Kiev and Middletown, PA find your anecdote
>> very
>> comforting.
>
> No one was killed or even seriously injured in PA.

Given the long-term nature of the effects of radiation, that claim is pretty
empty.

> The Kiev reactor was
> built and operated under socialism, using that accident to criticize
> private-sector plants in the West is ridiculous.
>
> I would a whole lot prefer to live near a nuclear plant than in
> sight/sound of a wind farm.

BFD -- I'd prefer to live next to a prison than an abattoir.

Jim

[brattt]

Long-Term Study Shows GM Corn, Soy Causing Severe Stomach Inflammation


http://www.spreadlibertynews.com/the-organic-review-long-term-study-shows-gm-corn-soy-causing-severe-stomach-inflammation/

[Clave]

"brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:09us8ax...@news.ezprovider.com...

> Long-Term Study Shows GM Corn, Soy Causing Severe Stomach Inflammation
>
>
> http://www.spreadlibertynews.com/the-organic-review-long-term-study-shows-gm-corn-soy-causing-severe-stomach-inflammation/
>

Apparently you didn't read the comments.

Jim

[risky biz]

On Jun 14 2013 6:57 PM, brattt wrote:

> Long-Term Study Shows GM Corn, Soy Causing Severe Stomach Inflammation
>
>
>
http://www.spreadlibertynews.com/the-organic-review-long-term-study-shows-gm-corn-soy-causing-severe-stomach-inflammation/

Hollis has been very self-congratulatory in asserting that we've been
consuming GMO food wthout knowing it. But he's wrong in my case.

The amount of processed food I consume is very low, negligible actually. I
use quite a bit of soy and soy-based products and they're certified
organic/non-GMO. Even if processed food didn't contaiin GMO it is loaded
with extremely unhealthy levels of sodium anyway. I don't even eat bread
or packaged oatmeal because of the sodium.

I buy corn on the cob occasionally and the next time I'm at the grocery
store I'm going to check to see if it's available as non-GMO. I don't
think it wiill be so that means no more of that.

[Pepe Papon]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:38:35 -0600, TruthSeeker
<Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:

>>> It did expose some really stupid design flaws and practices.
>>
>> And that's exactly the point. Human error or unplanned for events
>> are is always going to be possibilities
>
>Of course they are. No rational person claims nuclear power is 100%
>safe. Nothing built by man is. The irrational fear of nuclear power
>has kept coal in business, killing thousands of people every year due to
>the air pollution and adding carbon to our atmosphere -- a pretty lousy
>tradeoff.

There's nothing irrational about the fear of nuclear no matter how
many times you say it. You admitted that it's not 100% safe. What
you keep missing is the potential for disaster on a scale beyond
anything else Man is capable of creating.
--

Pepe Papon

[Pepe Papon]

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:40:14 -0700, "risky biz"
<a31...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>I buy corn on the cob occasionally and the next time I'm at the grocery
>store I'm going to check to see if it's available as non-GMO. I don't
>think it wiill be so that means no more of that.

Try Whole Foods or Sprouts.
--

Pepe Papon

[VegasJerry]

This is precisely what happened at SONGS (SCE's plant near LA).

And this after two previous fires that that they were able to put out. They changed to checking for air leaks with a Smoke Maker.

[VegasJerry]

Take note of WOOPS in the NW.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,955183,00.html

I still maintain the old conspiracy theory of Big Oil (& coal) being behind super stringent safety features for nukes (to add costs) and bad publicity against nukes. They're still fighting the EPA about burning coal. It's why the last set of Republican's running for POTUS kept talking about "Government's too big - we should shut down the EPA."

Meanwhile new elevated mercury level numbers in our air, water and all fish, continues to grow.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[VegasJerry]

On Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:45:32 AM UTC-7, Pepe Papon wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 19:38:35 -0600, TruthSeeker
> <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:
>
> >>> It did expose some really stupid design flaws and practices.
> >>
> >> And that's exactly the point. Human error or unplanned for events
> >> are is always going to be possibilities
> >
> >Of course they are. No rational person claims nuclear power is 100%
> >safe. Nothing built by man is. The irrational fear of nuclear power
> >has kept coal in business, killing thousands of people every year due to
> >the air pollution and adding carbon to our atmosphere -- a pretty lousy
> >tradeoff.

.
.> There's nothing irrational about the fear of nuclear no matter how

> many times you say it. You admitted that it's not 100% safe. What
> you keep missing is the potential for disaster on a scale beyond
> anything else Man is capable of creating.

Such as global warming or putting more mercury in the air (and water and fish, etc)?

Jerry 'n Vegas



> --
>
> Pepe Papon

[TruthSeeker]

There is rational respect for the dangers, of course. So perhaps even a
certain amount of fear is rational. What is irrational is the fear that
inhibits its use when on balance it is less dangerous to humans,
individually and collectively, than the power sources it replaces.
Things like a fear of "disaster on a scale beyond anything else Man is
capable of creating." Nuclear WEAPONS, yes. Nuclear power? No.

[Pepe Papon]

A bit of hyperbole, to be sure, but I'm glad that you seem to get the
point. You also make a good point. However, the problem with
nuclear disasters is that, when the damage is done, the effects are
long-lasting to the extreme, even when compared to the damage from
other power sources..
--

Pepe Papon

[TruthSeeker]

In limited geographic areas, perhaps. Those who believe that carbon
emissions are causing harmful climate change seem to believe that the
effects of that will be felt for centuries to come as well, and
globally. Even catastrophically, to the point of extinction of all life
on the planet (something even all-out nuclear war cannot accomplish).

[Pepe Papon]

FWIW, the idea that climate change will cause the extinction of life
seems silly to me. It can cause a lot of destruction, but it doesn't
seem remotely possible that AGW could cause even the polar regions to
become too hot to support life.
--

Pepe Papon